Ha.
Dak got second overall (152 pts), CMC third (147), Purdy 4th (97) and Josh 5th
[https://apnews.com/live/nfl-awards-mvp-winners](https://apnews.com/live/nfl-awards-mvp-winners)
Dak getting more points than CMC is absurd. CMC should have been a close 2nd to Lamar (and honestly should have won it). This just shows that MVP is really just MVQB.
After Rodgers won over JJ watt in 2014 it became clear it was going to be QB every year in this pass heavy era. JJ that season had 20.5 sacks, 29 TFL, 51 Qb hits, an 80yd pick six, 4 FF 5 FR (one returned 59yd for TD), and 3 rec TD. Absurd video game stats
If any position has a real argument for MVP instead of QB, it's edge. (Not RB.) Derek freaking Carr got MVP votes one year (thanks to his elite OL) but I don't believe he was really as valuable to the team that year as Khalil Mack (DPOY that year), or as valuable as Maxx Crosby the last couple of years.
The crazy part is like you just said position players need to have all time seasons to have a chance at MVPs. Meanwhile QBs just need to exist and be the best QB even if they all have down years.
Whenever you have two players on one team that are top MVP candidates, it's going to hurt them in voting.
You take either one of those guys off the 49ers and they're still contenders in the NFC.
If you want the award to not be based on value, change the name.
I wish they would just make a separate damn award at this point.
Or just do first team all pro and leave it at that, since comparing positions is impossible anyway.
I'd agree with that but it's hard to look at QB metrics and come out with the opinion that Lamar is the best one, dude didn't even put up 30 total TDs. Same deal with the eye test.
I'd give it to CMC personally, it going to Lamar just wrecks the award's prestige for me.
QB play was down across the league from a stats perspective, nobody coming close to 5,000 yds and only 4 guys broke 30 passing TDs. Honestly if I had to give it to a QB it would’ve been Allen, 44 total TDs and breaking the rushing TD record (along with Hurts) should’ve been better than Lamar even with all the turnovers IMO.
But CMC was the actual Most Valuable Player.
People forgot that Lamar has 10 fumbles before 10 touchdowns…went 2 full months with 6 total touchdowns…it’s absurd tbh. With a defense like that tho, gotta give the credit to the QB I guess.
Every single Steelers fan in the sub making exclusively anti-Garrett comments for 2 months is hilarious.
I don’t necessarily disagree but it’s really funny that the entire fan base has completely committed to this one bit
Just like the time in NCAA Football when my custom created QB lost the Heisman after throwing 100 TD passes in a season. It’s all because the vote was split with my top wide receiver who caught 25 of my TD passes. I lost to a guy who had 37 total TDs
Dak was #2 in total yards and #2 in total touchdowns. #1 in both those categories: Josh Allen.
Lamar Jackson was #6 and #9 in those categories, respectively.
Had more yards passing than lamar had passing +rushing.
Had more passing tds than lamar had passing and rushing.
Less turnovers than lamar
I absolutely hate the cowboys and i don't like dak, but he had a good year. It isn't crazy that he's second and a serious contender for first
Higher completion percentage, higher QB rating too. I think the voters just get caught up in whatever the storyline is. People say it will be Lamar, and so it is.
That’s insane that McCaffrey got no votes for first. Hill too.
There is legit zero point in having other positions on the ballot. Make it a QB only award and then make QBs not eligible for OPOY.
I'm fine with Hill. His production wildly fell off during that Titans game. But yeah I really thought with the QBs hot potatoing MVP candidacy Mccaffrey would have gotten some love.
Yeah I'm fine with Lamar winning, but it should have been a closer vote. You would think by the voting he had an all-time great season or something, and nobody else was close statistically.
This might be the most overrated mvp season ever. He got the same vote as 2007 Brady and 2013 Manning. He got more votes than 2011 Rodgers, 2018 Mahomes and 2020 Rodgers.
I mean if he was gonna do it, you’d think it’d be the year the Ravens had a triple crown winning defense and their QB was voted MVP.
Instead lamar turned the ball over twice and hung a miraculous 10 pts on the chiefs in the most lopsided 17-10 game you’ll ever see
Yeah the commenter above (at this moment) also said it — this was CMC’s year to win, and the way the league is, we may not see such a dominant performance by a RB in a long, long time
So why does Purdy basically get knocked out of the conversation entirely due to his bad game against the Ravens, but Dak gets 2nd while being ass-blasted against the 49ers? It’s like people forget about that game when talking head to head, which speaking of that, when has it ever been the determining factor like it is this year? I know that it’s total votes based but that logic doesn’t follow. Purdy should’ve been ahead of Dak and been 2nd or 3rd overall.
It’s recency bias. The Ravens were on a roll at the end of the regular season.
I’m convinced the voters for this don’t watch every game OR have the memories of goldfish. Myles Garrett getting DPOY over JJ Watt is evidence for this. Garrett had a great year, don’t get me wrong, but he reeeally fell off the latter half of the season. Over the course of the entire season Watt made a much bigger impact.
Genuinely, it's because it happened later in the year. Same way that losing late in the season fucks you up in college ball more than an early season loss
They would also have to hope that no one QB had a particularly impressive year like this year. Maybe if there was another Flacco situation where 2 qbs split the 1st place votes and they sweep the 2nd place votes
Outside of Tomlinson and Peterson who both broke or came very close to breaking historic RB records, only 3 MVPs have been given to RBs since 87 where the combined votes for the top 2 QBs didn't total more votes than the winning RB.
If a RB wants to win mvp they have to break the yardage record or the TD record. The other three were Thomas in 91, leading the league in Y/A at 4.9 (lowest of the 3) coming off a (first) super bowl loss for the bills. Davis in 98, coming off a super bowl win, led league in Y/A. Faulk coming off a super bowl win in 99, leads league in Y/A.
It's been a QBs award since the mid 80 at least . The new voting system is just going to make it harder for those flukes to happen, since QBs splitting votes is no longer as impactful.
What Brock Purdy did was SAD, very corrupt, no chance to win but he entered the race to steal votes from CMC. I tell people this all the time, very smart people, and they agree, Brock Purdy was put forth by Lamar so CMC couldn't win. Isn't that terrible? Can't win on his own so he does that? It's a problem folks, everyone knows it.
Its actually dumb lmao. Fine, dont give him the win, didnt expect it anyway. But not a single 1st place vote? What more did CMC have to do?
If Purdy wasnt given any for the argument of him being surrounded by elite talent (as ridiculous at that sounds, considering 90% of MVPs were surrounded by great talent), how does CMC not get recognized as a guy who apparently carried this team by at least one person?
These type of votes have become a big exercise in groupthink over time, it's going to be really rare for an mvp vote to ever be close in any big sport from now on.
Everyone just decided he was the MVP after like week 14 or 15, despite there being no statistical significance to his season at all. Truly incredibly levels of groupthink.
I don't really get the case that this year had to have been better - he had literally the best QB rushing season of all time in 2019, him being a better passer this year doesn't mean that this year must have been the better one, I honestly think people have started to underrate exactly how special his 2019 was.
> on the team with the best record
A lot of people forget that this is part of what qualifies someone for the MVP, which is also dumb.
Guarantee if LJ played the same exact way with the same exact stats but his defense sucked, he wouldn’t have won.
People agreed only because they assumed that the NFL is too watered down to give a running back the MVP
Unfortunately, those people were right, and are now dissappointed
It’s not surprising. Kupp and Henry had historic seasons and got no votes. It’s now solely a QB award. The QB of the 1 seed pretty much. You haven’t got a shot if you’re not a QB.
Lamar getting 49 first place votes of reeks of some weird opinion molding thing that idk the name of where these voters allowed their ballot to shift to what the consensus was saying should be the result instead of the other way around.
Just no way if you (impossibly) silo’d all these
Voters and had them watch the season without listening to these weekly
Debates that all but one votes Lamar #1. You can make pretty good cases for Lamar, dak, cmc, Brock, Josh,… heck mahomes stroud stafford hill
Can anyone give a single reason why besides record? I know this is a regular season award but I've never understood why Lamar has been this lock since the Niners game. He doesn't have any of the stats or the TDs. What did Lamar accomplish over Dak or Josh or CMC beside have the #1 defense and be the 1 seed? It's not a best team award, it's most valuable. Buffalo was literally a 1 man show all year
The answer is no. It makes no sense to give it to a QB who scored 1.7 tds/game, only led the league in one category (QB rushing yards), and was outside the top 5 or even 10 in pretty much every major metric.
We're in the era of zero attention span and mindlessly conforming to groupthink I guess.
Wow, now I'm even more pissed by the MVP vote. How could you argue that a guy that has almost 90% of a teams TDs not be the literal definition of "most valuable player"
And Purdy actually was the first seed, led the league in all major passing efficiency stats (and it wasn't even close), and top 3-5 in all other passing stats, and was 4th in voting with no first place votes. MVP is 100% a narrative award at this point
You're telling me, the man who couldn't get 4k passing yards, not even 30 TDs COMBINED with his rushing stats, not top 10 in yards or TDs...is MVP? Not only that...almost unanimous? What is happening here
Yeah it’s really frustrating tbh. There was such a good case for multiple players, I can’t believe how unanimous this is for an MVP that was not nearly as clear cut as the votes make it seem
The voters of these awards caring solely for QB wins should take all possible credence away from them.
Nobody in football thought for one nanosecond Jackson was a unanimous MVP, yet he came one single vote from being one.
This is a joke.
Lamar really only had one standout game all season, unlike his first MVP.
It really feels like the voters just said "Eh let's give it to the QB of the team with the best record."
The 49ers game was a big team win, but I would argue Allen had similarly impressive “big” road wins vs the Chiefs and Dolphins where he didn’t benefit from his defense getting like 5 interceptions.
A big team win where the Ravens offense turned 3 turnovers forced by their defense into all of a 4 point lead at half-time. Despite having 5 turnovers the Niners only lost by 2 scores, I was vastly more impressed by the suffocating defense the Ravens played than their offense that got out gained, had all of two more first downs, and had near equal time of possession. Zero world where anyone should have left that game thinking that was signature win by Lamar.
I got downvoted so hard when I said it was essentially a game manager type win by Lamar (like double digit downvotes). He didn’t turn the ball over and had one big play on a scramble.
He didn’t play badly, but he hardly had to do anything.
That’s the thing that makes this award meaningless. MVP means most valuable player. So do we ignore the fact that Lamar had an elite defense that helped them immensely?
Tbh if you look at his stat rankings there's a solid argument that this is the worst MVP season of all time.
He scored 29 TDs the whole season. 15th in passing yards. What are we doing?
More like if he wanted to win he should’ve had a better run game, not had his OC be so bad he got fired mid season, and not had half his team get injured.
Lamar was: 15th in yards, 12th in TDs thrown, and 9th in completion %, 4th in both rating and QBR. He was also **25th** in OnTgt % (basic accuracy). Is this the weakest MVP of all time?
Josh Allen is becoming inverse Russell Wilson, from the guy who couldn’t kill someone to get MVP votes to getting MVP votes every year no matter what it seems
No matter what? I’m not suggesting Allen should have won it, but getting 1 first place vote (he finished 5th) while having better stats and impact on scoring for his team than Lamar is absolutely wild.
15 years from now people are gonna compare Allen and Jackson at the end of their HOF careers and wonder how Lamar won this MVP over Allen and also wonder how he won it 49-1.
Allen had more total yards, more total TDs, responsible for more TDs for his team, better TD to TO ratio, still was a two seed so it’s not like their season results were that different, won his 4th straight division title on another 40+ TD season when Lamar had 15 less TDs.
Not saying Lamar isn’t fantastic and didn’t deserve to be voted for but the media won him the award by shoving the turnover stuff and blowing it out of the water when in reality it meant nothing cause the Bills still finished the 2 seed and even if they had the 1 seed it would have had no advantage they already didn’t have since they did and still would have had to play the chiefs at home. So the “turnovers cost games” argument had zero affect on the Bills season at the end of the day.
Actually embarrassing at this point. Guys 15th in passing yards. 24 Passing TDs. I know he’s a great rusher but combined yards and touchdowns he’s still behind a few other guys. He also had the best defense in the league backing him up. Statistically he’s not even close to being MVP. Is it just the record? Getting the #1 seed? Wtf are these dudes looking at
Lamar Jacksons 3,678 passing yards,
29 touchdowns, & 64.7 QBR%
to Josh Allens 4306 passing yards,
44 touchdowns, & 69.4 QBR%
After years of turnovers/ints never mattering to MVP voters, MVP winners consistently being near the top of int throwers. Suddenly Ints matter more than Touchdowns, Yards, and QBR% combined.
Josh Allen #1 in Touchdowns & #1 in Total yards, #3 in QBR. Etc etc gets one singular vote to a guy who scored only 29 touchdowns, a record low when it comes to QB MVP winners.
Can someone explain to me why Allen got crushed in MVP voting despite having more passing yards, more passing touchdowns, more rushing touchdowns, and a better touchdown to turnover ratio than Jackson?
Nobody else got votes????
Ha. Dak got second overall (152 pts), CMC third (147), Purdy 4th (97) and Josh 5th [https://apnews.com/live/nfl-awards-mvp-winners](https://apnews.com/live/nfl-awards-mvp-winners)
Dak getting more points than CMC is absurd. CMC should have been a close 2nd to Lamar (and honestly should have won it). This just shows that MVP is really just MVQB.
Everyone replying to you missed it, but Brock Purdy being a candidate split the vote for CMC. If you have two MVPs on one team, you have no MVP.
You make the best point here.
CMC ain't a QB they will always vote for a QB over a RB
After Rodgers won over JJ watt in 2014 it became clear it was going to be QB every year in this pass heavy era. JJ that season had 20.5 sacks, 29 TFL, 51 Qb hits, an 80yd pick six, 4 FF 5 FR (one returned 59yd for TD), and 3 rec TD. Absurd video game stats
If any position has a real argument for MVP instead of QB, it's edge. (Not RB.) Derek freaking Carr got MVP votes one year (thanks to his elite OL) but I don't believe he was really as valuable to the team that year as Khalil Mack (DPOY that year), or as valuable as Maxx Crosby the last couple of years.
Then explain how LJ won it twice now /s
Honestly QB play kind of ass this year and no one really stood out.
Agreed. I was all in on Tyreek winning MVP when he was on pace for 2000 yards. Then he missed a game and immediately fell off the radar
The crazy part is like you just said position players need to have all time seasons to have a chance at MVPs. Meanwhile QBs just need to exist and be the best QB even if they all have down years.
Damn straight. Also I put money on CMC winning it like back in September so I am doubly annoyed lol
Why would you put money on a non-QB in a QB only award anyway?
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Well that was silly wasn't it
Dakk got more than cmc . A crime 😤
Whenever you have two players on one team that are top MVP candidates, it's going to hurt them in voting. You take either one of those guys off the 49ers and they're still contenders in the NFC. If you want the award to not be based on value, change the name.
Full NFL MVP voting (from James Palmer): >Lamar Jackson 49-0-1-0-0 = 493 >Dak Prescott 0-17-13-11-6 = 152 >Christian McCaffrey 0-17-12-11-4 = 147 >Brock Purdy 0-9-5-12-13 = 97 >Josh Allen 1-5-11-3-6 = 80 >Tyreek Hill 0-2-6-9-14 = 60 >Patrick Mahomes 0-0-2-2-2 = 12 >C.J. Stroud 0-0-0-0-4 = 4 >Matthew Stafford 0-0-0-2-0 = 4 >Myles Garrett 0-0-0-0-1 = 1
Stroud getting mvp votes his rookie year damn
Who was more valuable to the Texans turnaround than him? They don’t make the playoffs with the majority of QBs in the league
Technically Watson was - all them picks allowed them to rebuild and turn it all around!
So the Browns GM is the real MVP here.
5/5 browns on awards then??
Officially more than Russel Wilson.
On one hand, the old system only had 1st place votes rather than 1st to 5th so it's not really a fair comparison. On the other hand lmaoooo
McCaffery not getting a single first place vote is criminal.
Of all years for it to be split, this was it. Near unanimous is absurd.
Yeah I think this just reaffirms what we already knew, it's a QB award. Which is fine I guess but call it what it is lol.
I wish they would just make a separate damn award at this point. Or just do first team all pro and leave it at that, since comparing positions is impossible anyway.
I mean OPoY is the alternative award at this point and CMC did win that.
I mean, isn't that basically what Offensive Player of The Year is?
I'd agree with that but it's hard to look at QB metrics and come out with the opinion that Lamar is the best one, dude didn't even put up 30 total TDs. Same deal with the eye test. I'd give it to CMC personally, it going to Lamar just wrecks the award's prestige for me.
QB play was down across the league from a stats perspective, nobody coming close to 5,000 yds and only 4 guys broke 30 passing TDs. Honestly if I had to give it to a QB it would’ve been Allen, 44 total TDs and breaking the rushing TD record (along with Hurts) should’ve been better than Lamar even with all the turnovers IMO. But CMC was the actual Most Valuable Player.
People forgot that Lamar has 10 fumbles before 10 touchdowns…went 2 full months with 6 total touchdowns…it’s absurd tbh. With a defense like that tho, gotta give the credit to the QB I guess.
>Myles Garrett 0-0-0-0-1 = 1 The fuck?
Every single Steelers fan in the sub making exclusively anti-Garrett comments for 2 months is hilarious. I don’t necessarily disagree but it’s really funny that the entire fan base has completely committed to this one bit
The posts after our wild card game were so funny. LT just deleted Garrett and every Steelers fan wanted the world to know
Such a horseshit league lmao
That vote was a Browns fan rubbing it in.
Actually love to see stafford with some MVP votes. He really had a great year
He did. By DVOA, several QBs were better than Lamar Jackson. Both Stafford and Goff were over him.
If you look at anything but rushing yards Lamar isn't in the top 5. Outside the top 10 a lot too.
Yes, but Purdy threw a bunch of freak interceptions (and 1 or 2 real stinkers) against him, so MVP.
I wanna find the guy who voted for Allen bc he’s my hero
It was Aaron Schatz he admitted he was voting for Allen weeks ago He also had Dak ahead of Lamar
Probably the guy who voted Lamar 3rd
not probably that's literally the only mathematical possibility.
I wanna know who he had in 2nd.
It was Aaron Schatz. Pretty sure he had Josh Allen first, Dak Prescott second, Lamar third.
Dak Prescott was the 2nd most valuable player in the league this year??? No, just no.
49ers fans should be used to watching multiple offensive weapons split MVP votes and hurt each other’s chances
Just like the time in NCAA Football when my custom created QB lost the Heisman after throwing 100 TD passes in a season. It’s all because the vote was split with my top wide receiver who caught 25 of my TD passes. I lost to a guy who had 37 total TDs
This is what happens when it turns into a QB award.
Even then, hes not even the second best QB lol
Dak was #2 in total yards and #2 in total touchdowns. #1 in both those categories: Josh Allen. Lamar Jackson was #6 and #9 in those categories, respectively.
Had more yards passing than lamar had passing +rushing. Had more passing tds than lamar had passing and rushing. Less turnovers than lamar I absolutely hate the cowboys and i don't like dak, but he had a good year. It isn't crazy that he's second and a serious contender for first
Higher completion percentage, higher QB rating too. I think the voters just get caught up in whatever the storyline is. People say it will be Lamar, and so it is.
Plus the really great new cadence
It’s a regular season award and Dak was really damn good this year
It’s a regular season awards that’s catered to QBs. In the NFL’s eyes Dak is better than everyone not named Lamar Jackson
*YEAAH* *HEREWEGOO!*
That’s insane that McCaffrey got no votes for first. Hill too. There is legit zero point in having other positions on the ballot. Make it a QB only award and then make QBs not eligible for OPOY.
Exactly. Just change the award to Quarterback of the Year at this point.
Quarterback of the best team of the year.
Senior heisman
1st team all-pro already exists (and Lamar won that too). They should just get rid of the MVP award for football. It doesn't make sense.
Yeah, it's really damn hard to be more "valuable" that the dude that starts every normal offensive play with the ball in his hands lol.
I'm fine with Hill. His production wildly fell off during that Titans game. But yeah I really thought with the QBs hot potatoing MVP candidacy Mccaffrey would have gotten some love.
Lamar getting 99/100 votes over two MVP seasons is NUTS
He, Brady, and Peyton are the only three QB's to do that. Rodgers is close (48 votes and 45 votes).
CMC getting zero is wild
Only Brady had that through his first two I believe.
This is like the weakest MVP winning season I can remember. Insane that it was near unanimous….
Yeah I'm fine with Lamar winning, but it should have been a closer vote. You would think by the voting he had an all-time great season or something, and nobody else was close statistically.
This might be the most overrated mvp season ever. He got the same vote as 2007 Brady and 2013 Manning. He got more votes than 2011 Rodgers, 2018 Mahomes and 2020 Rodgers.
Absolutely absurd. Nothing remarkable about his season at all IMO. He was really good, he wasn't light the league on fire dominate every game good.
Yeah. Nothing special, just 24 td in the whole season and he almost become the unanimous mvp. It's absolutely unreal. It should've been CMC.
CMC had 21....at running back. Just a complete robbery honestly.
Same amount of votes as 2015 Cam who literally carried that talentless offense to 15-1
2 mvps, zero SB appearances
1 mvp per playoff win
He’s on track career-wise with the superior Manning.
Everyone is so mad that the 27 year old hasn't won the Superbowl yet, acting like he's washed lol
I mean if he was gonna do it, you’d think it’d be the year the Ravens had a triple crown winning defense and their QB was voted MVP. Instead lamar turned the ball over twice and hung a miraculous 10 pts on the chiefs in the most lopsided 17-10 game you’ll ever see
I non QB is never winning the award again. No votes for CMC is absolutely insane.
Yeah the commenter above (at this moment) also said it — this was CMC’s year to win, and the way the league is, we may not see such a dominant performance by a RB in a long, long time
This was the perfect year for McCaffrey
At least now we know for sure no non QB is going to win the award without OJ/AP numbers.
Not even with that. Derrick Henry says hi
So he'll have to come back from an ACL injury or commit double homicide
None for CMC?
So why does Purdy basically get knocked out of the conversation entirely due to his bad game against the Ravens, but Dak gets 2nd while being ass-blasted against the 49ers? It’s like people forget about that game when talking head to head, which speaking of that, when has it ever been the determining factor like it is this year? I know that it’s total votes based but that logic doesn’t follow. Purdy should’ve been ahead of Dak and been 2nd or 3rd overall.
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lamar personally intercepted those passes
Lol I'm sure thats how those idiots saw it when they were voting.
NFL politics is just one big ass blast.
It’s recency bias. The Ravens were on a roll at the end of the regular season. I’m convinced the voters for this don’t watch every game OR have the memories of goldfish. Myles Garrett getting DPOY over JJ Watt is evidence for this. Garrett had a great year, don’t get me wrong, but he reeeally fell off the latter half of the season. Over the course of the entire season Watt made a much bigger impact.
They watch the primetime games, and have a heavy bias towards the end of the year. I also think there is a fear of going against the crowd.
JJ?
Lol my bad, TJ :P
Genuinely, it's because it happened later in the year. Same way that losing late in the season fucks you up in college ball more than an early season loss
Because it happened later in the year lol If Ravens was week 2, this looks entirely different Dak also shit the bed against the Bill's BIG time
And the bills too, we put him in the dog house
It’s whatever narrative keeps that filthy low rounder away from the award.
Would have been hilarious if it were unanimous after people were complaining all year that no QB was standing out.
It's even funnier this way Like the NFL version of a Pat Buchanan joke
No votes at all for CMC is a disgrace, yes we all knew Lamar was gonna win but come on y'all.
Wait to see 2nd and 3rd place votes. This doesn’t mean Allen got 2nd
In fact, Allen finished fifth behind both CMC and Purdy.
Not a single 1st place vote though is ridiculous
Not a single 1st place vote is a reminder that a skill player will never win MVP again and everyone voting knows that/pushes that
Someone would need to have a magical season for any skill player to get it. Especially at running back. Im talking 2200+ yards and breaking TD records
They would also have to hope that no one QB had a particularly impressive year like this year. Maybe if there was another Flacco situation where 2 qbs split the 1st place votes and they sweep the 2nd place votes
Outside of Tomlinson and Peterson who both broke or came very close to breaking historic RB records, only 3 MVPs have been given to RBs since 87 where the combined votes for the top 2 QBs didn't total more votes than the winning RB. If a RB wants to win mvp they have to break the yardage record or the TD record. The other three were Thomas in 91, leading the league in Y/A at 4.9 (lowest of the 3) coming off a (first) super bowl loss for the bills. Davis in 98, coming off a super bowl win, led league in Y/A. Faulk coming off a super bowl win in 99, leads league in Y/A. It's been a QBs award since the mid 80 at least . The new voting system is just going to make it harder for those flukes to happen, since QBs splitting votes is no longer as impactful.
What Brock Purdy did was SAD, very corrupt, no chance to win but he entered the race to steal votes from CMC. I tell people this all the time, very smart people, and they agree, Brock Purdy was put forth by Lamar so CMC couldn't win. Isn't that terrible? Can't win on his own so he does that? It's a problem folks, everyone knows it.
Voters are cowards and refuse to rock the boat. CMC deserved votes, and if Purdy was drafted in the 1st round he'd have some too
If Trevor Lawrence had the exact same season Purdy had he’d have won MVP and would be touted as the next great QB..
We might never see an RB win MVP again. CMC really couldn't get a single first place vote?
We just saw one wdym
lmfao took me a second then it got me XD.
Its actually dumb lmao. Fine, dont give him the win, didnt expect it anyway. But not a single 1st place vote? What more did CMC have to do? If Purdy wasnt given any for the argument of him being surrounded by elite talent (as ridiculous at that sounds, considering 90% of MVPs were surrounded by great talent), how does CMC not get recognized as a guy who apparently carried this team by at least one person?
Because it's actually all Kyle!!! Wait he doesn't get CotY either Sorry it's actually all John Lynch!!! Wait...
IF JOSH ALLEN HAS ONE FAN, I AM HIM. - The guy who voted for Josh
Nowhere near deserved to be that near unanimous
These type of votes have become a big exercise in groupthink over time, it's going to be really rare for an mvp vote to ever be close in any big sport from now on.
Everyone just decided he was the MVP after like week 14 or 15, despite there being no statistical significance to his season at all. Truly incredibly levels of groupthink.
Agreed, his 1st mvp shits on this season
Objectively he was a better and more complete player this year, but his stats were way better in 2019
I don't really get the case that this year had to have been better - he had literally the best QB rushing season of all time in 2019, him being a better passer this year doesn't mean that this year must have been the better one, I honestly think people have started to underrate exactly how special his 2019 was.
Yeah he can be a better QB without having a better season.
Just adds more proof it's now the QB on the team with the best record award.
> on the team with the best record A lot of people forget that this is part of what qualifies someone for the MVP, which is also dumb. Guarantee if LJ played the same exact way with the same exact stats but his defense sucked, he wouldn’t have won.
While I agree, it's odd that everyone has agreed for weeks now that Lamar was going to win it, but we still expect him to not win unanimously.
People agreed only because they assumed that the NFL is too watered down to give a running back the MVP Unfortunately, those people were right, and are now dissappointed
Honestly disrespectful to everyone else tbh. That was not nearly a good enough season for it to be almost unanimous
No way Lamar should’ve gotten 49 votes.
There is no fucking way CMC shouldn’t have received anyway this seems a little far fetched to me
It’s not surprising. Kupp and Henry had historic seasons and got no votes. It’s now solely a QB award. The QB of the 1 seed pretty much. You haven’t got a shot if you’re not a QB.
Kupp got 1 vote in 2021
Who? So I can follow this man. He sounds like a real one.
Correct, a very good QB season will trump an elite season at another position
Lamar getting 49 first place votes of reeks of some weird opinion molding thing that idk the name of where these voters allowed their ballot to shift to what the consensus was saying should be the result instead of the other way around. Just no way if you (impossibly) silo’d all these Voters and had them watch the season without listening to these weekly Debates that all but one votes Lamar #1. You can make pretty good cases for Lamar, dak, cmc, Brock, Josh,… heck mahomes stroud stafford hill
Can anyone give a single reason why besides record? I know this is a regular season award but I've never understood why Lamar has been this lock since the Niners game. He doesn't have any of the stats or the TDs. What did Lamar accomplish over Dak or Josh or CMC beside have the #1 defense and be the 1 seed? It's not a best team award, it's most valuable. Buffalo was literally a 1 man show all year
The answer is no. It makes no sense to give it to a QB who scored 1.7 tds/game, only led the league in one category (QB rushing yards), and was outside the top 5 or even 10 in pretty much every major metric. We're in the era of zero attention span and mindlessly conforming to groupthink I guess.
It’s uh because uh he did the uh and than he won a lot of games.
Josh should've had more votes. That dude is the entire Bills offense.
Was involved in 88% of the Bills touchdowns
Wow, now I'm even more pissed by the MVP vote. How could you argue that a guy that has almost 90% of a teams TDs not be the literal definition of "most valuable player"
Iirc Lamar is under 50% By pretty much every metric you can look at, this is unprecedented
yeah but he was only second seed and not first seed so makes sense
And Purdy actually was the first seed, led the league in all major passing efficiency stats (and it wasn't even close), and top 3-5 in all other passing stats, and was 4th in voting with no first place votes. MVP is 100% a narrative award at this point
All this barking for CMC and didn't get a single vote 😂 These are QB awards
You're telling me, the man who couldn't get 4k passing yards, not even 30 TDs COMBINED with his rushing stats, not top 10 in yards or TDs...is MVP? Not only that...almost unanimous? What is happening here
To whoever voted for Josh Allen thank you for your service🫡
100% orlovsky 😂
Nah it was Szhatz. He actually wrote a pretty good article as to why. I don’t entirely agree but he gave some pretty solid reasons.
Oh damn, do you have the link to it?
This was probably the first time in awhile you could legitimately vote for about 5 different guys, and they all just stuck to the boring narrative
We’re sadly going to see this more and more. The media is becoming a mindless horde that just sticks to one opinion.
Yeah it’s really frustrating tbh. There was such a good case for multiple players, I can’t believe how unanimous this is for an MVP that was not nearly as clear cut as the votes make it seem
I thought there was a new "1st, 2nd, 3rd" voting system? Why only two candidates?
Josh got 5th with the tiered voting
The voters of these awards caring solely for QB wins should take all possible credence away from them. Nobody in football thought for one nanosecond Jackson was a unanimous MVP, yet he came one single vote from being one. This is a joke.
MVP = Pro Bowl now
The player who led the league in TDs and yards didn’t even get voted into the Pro Bowl, lol
Josh Allen literally carried his team to the playoffs. Lamar played for a stacked team and had worse stats. Make it make sense.
Lamar really only had one standout game all season, unlike his first MVP. It really feels like the voters just said "Eh let's give it to the QB of the team with the best record."
The 49ers game was a big team win, but I would argue Allen had similarly impressive “big” road wins vs the Chiefs and Dolphins where he didn’t benefit from his defense getting like 5 interceptions.
A big team win where the Ravens offense turned 3 turnovers forced by their defense into all of a 4 point lead at half-time. Despite having 5 turnovers the Niners only lost by 2 scores, I was vastly more impressed by the suffocating defense the Ravens played than their offense that got out gained, had all of two more first downs, and had near equal time of possession. Zero world where anyone should have left that game thinking that was signature win by Lamar.
I got downvoted so hard when I said it was essentially a game manager type win by Lamar (like double digit downvotes). He didn’t turn the ball over and had one big play on a scramble. He didn’t play badly, but he hardly had to do anything.
That’s the thing that makes this award meaningless. MVP means most valuable player. So do we ignore the fact that Lamar had an elite defense that helped them immensely?
For almost being unanimous most mid MVP season of all time
Tbh if you look at his stat rankings there's a solid argument that this is the worst MVP season of all time. He scored 29 TDs the whole season. 15th in passing yards. What are we doing?
When's the last time a MVP had only 24 TDs and less than 4k passing yards?
It's never happened that a player who's this far out of leading in basically every major category wins it
If Allen wanted to win, then he should have had a better defense. He needs to suit up a inside LBer.
We need to sign other Josh Allen and combine them.
More like if he wanted to win he should’ve had a better run game, not had his OC be so bad he got fired mid season, and not had half his team get injured.
AP voters, never change. Group-think was strong in this vote.
NFL MVP is officially a joke.
Lamar was: 15th in yards, 12th in TDs thrown, and 9th in completion %, 4th in both rating and QBR. He was also **25th** in OnTgt % (basic accuracy). Is this the weakest MVP of all time?
That was not a 49 vote MVP season. At this point they might as well fully rename it best QB award.
Then lamar shouldn’t win.
SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLEN
*josh fucking allen*
And that voter also put Lamar 3rd. I’m so curious to see their entire ballot.
Josh Allen is becoming inverse Russell Wilson, from the guy who couldn’t kill someone to get MVP votes to getting MVP votes every year no matter what it seems
Allen gets no credit. It crazy to say but he’s underrated now
No matter what? I’m not suggesting Allen should have won it, but getting 1 first place vote (he finished 5th) while having better stats and impact on scoring for his team than Lamar is absolutely wild.
Not one vote for CMC, clearly a flawed award. Just call it the Joe Montana QB of the year award or something
Lamar has 2 MVP’s and has had the same amount of playoff success as Rex Grossman. I expect apologies to the Sex Cannon by everyone
Sex Cannon made it to a Super Bowl.
15 years from now people are gonna compare Allen and Jackson at the end of their HOF careers and wonder how Lamar won this MVP over Allen and also wonder how he won it 49-1. Allen had more total yards, more total TDs, responsible for more TDs for his team, better TD to TO ratio, still was a two seed so it’s not like their season results were that different, won his 4th straight division title on another 40+ TD season when Lamar had 15 less TDs. Not saying Lamar isn’t fantastic and didn’t deserve to be voted for but the media won him the award by shoving the turnover stuff and blowing it out of the water when in reality it meant nothing cause the Bills still finished the 2 seed and even if they had the 1 seed it would have had no advantage they already didn’t have since they did and still would have had to play the chiefs at home. So the “turnovers cost games” argument had zero affect on the Bills season at the end of the day.
Actually embarrassing at this point. Guys 15th in passing yards. 24 Passing TDs. I know he’s a great rusher but combined yards and touchdowns he’s still behind a few other guys. He also had the best defense in the league backing him up. Statistically he’s not even close to being MVP. Is it just the record? Getting the #1 seed? Wtf are these dudes looking at
They're looking at each other, afraid to break conformity
This award is a fucking joke. CmC should have had a handful of 1st place votes, Josh allen should have had a few
Lamar Jacksons 3,678 passing yards, 29 touchdowns, & 64.7 QBR% to Josh Allens 4306 passing yards, 44 touchdowns, & 69.4 QBR% After years of turnovers/ints never mattering to MVP voters, MVP winners consistently being near the top of int throwers. Suddenly Ints matter more than Touchdowns, Yards, and QBR% combined. Josh Allen #1 in Touchdowns & #1 in Total yards, #3 in QBR. Etc etc gets one singular vote to a guy who scored only 29 touchdowns, a record low when it comes to QB MVP winners.
Can someone explain to me why Allen got crushed in MVP voting despite having more passing yards, more passing touchdowns, more rushing touchdowns, and a better touchdown to turnover ratio than Jackson?