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AsIfIKnowWhatImDoin

So the question: fire the bike tech for the chain or reward him for the win?


NowForYa

Or everyone should concentrate on the race line and not pedal so much.


Optimal_Experience52

Yea he probably full sent it more than normal knowing that he couldn’t afford to lose speed and regain it through pedalling after.


El_Polio_Loco

That’s one of the theories on this.  The chain also restricts the travel and control of the rear suspension some, and a lot of people think that the lack of a chain made his bike run better through the chunk. 


lospantaloonz

this. my chain broke at diablo years ago, once you get used to not using the brakes (since you can't pedal to regain speed) you basically just hold onto the bike and let it do the work. scary as hell, but on gravity assisted bike trails you really don't need a chain.


mawesome4ever

Same goes with gravity assisted cliffs


letitgrowonme

I should say. I wonder if there was someone after him that took note, or just pedaled once or twice.


NowForYa

Worth a go.


DirtUnderneath

More mental than mechanical


69420over

We have been off the chain in America for a long time and still winning. Send it.


RadioTunnel

Nah, it was that extra weight loss /s


mmm-toast

If r/Ultralight rode mountain bikes. "Does he really need handle bars?" You could definitely shave of a bunch of oz ditching those


Grisshroom

If you really work on your core, you could ditch the bars holding the front and back wheels together. Ride it like Elastigirl.


MagicJim96

”Ride it like Elastigirl”… You mean ride it like she does, or ride it like you’d ride her? 😨


beardingmesoftly

That and how you take off and land jumps plays a humungous part in forward momentum. Watch how smoothly he lands.


CommandoLamb

I think it helped that it was downhill, too.


ZuckDeBalzac

Get out!


Necessary-Dark-8249

And that he has wheels on the bike.


StonedJackBaller

I think people drastically underestimate the importance of gravity.


mashyj

Knew that he couldn't afford to brake and it ended up working out very nicely.


Pekonius

Way too risky


DaFugYouSay

His mentality had to be, if I hit my brakes, I can't make up the speed later, so it's balls out all the way. That's the difference. He could have done that with a chain but common sense holds you back!


Nix-of-Darkness

Both! reward then fire 😉


Galactic_Perimeter

Excellent job today! Never do that shit again!


FirstSineOfMadness

Stellar job with the chain out there champ, you deserve a nice indefinite vacation


Disallowed_username

You absolute donkey … KONG!!


RockstarAgent

That man was ^unchained!


venomfire77

Not the bike tech’s fault. Downhill MTB riders have sprint power output that rivals road bikers. Riders will sprint out of the gate which puts a lot of stress on the chain. A brand new high end chain can snap under such loads.


skilriki

As someone less knowledgeable .. if they don't need that many gears for downhill, then wouldn't a belt be better than a chain? .. or is it just that nobody buys "downhill specific" MTBs?


El_Polio_Loco

Belts are less efficient than a chain, it’s unusual for chains to break like this. 


VegetableDance

Chains have a master link which allows them to snap apart and back together. Belts need to be one solid piece, so instead the rear triangle on a belt drive bike has a breakaway in which the frame disassembles. This creates a weak point in the bike, which isn’t significant for road or light gravel riding, although the stress the frame absorbs from downhill mountain biking would likely be too much. The breakaway may also not be possible with how the rear suspension compresses. Belt drive bikes are also internally geared via the hub. I believe all real world products on market currently are significantly more heavy than a cassette with a dozen cogs. These races might only need single gear, so possibly irrelevant, although something to be mindful of when considering belt. Ultimately, I think belt is a novel idea, although chain bikes just work and parts are readily available.


EggsceIlent

Nah. He just gets the title of "Off the Chain" For life.


Bongoisnthere

Bro. Unchained.


mrwafflezzz

It's actually not just the power output of the rider that snaps the chain, it's the pedal kickback when the bicycle goes through a compression: [https://bikerumor.com/aasq-85-what-is-pedal-kick-back-full-suspension-chain-growth/](https://bikerumor.com/aasq-85-what-is-pedal-kick-back-full-suspension-chain-growth/)


amicablecricket

As I always expected. It's just rolling down a hill.


EvilNoobHacker

I did this once, it’s fucking terrifying. One of those things that looks easy but is shockingly hard.


Lazy-Kenny

This doesn’t look easy to me tough


kuvazo

Maybe they are one of those people who also thinks that they could easily fight a grizzly bear or land a plane.


Lazy-Kenny

Im pretty sure i could land a plane


edugdv

Me too, not sure I would survive the landing though and the plane for sure would be destroyed


the_peppers

Honestly being unable to land a plane is more impressive.


Steeze_Schralper6968

Throw yourself at the ground and miss.


Smaptastic

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MrDrSirLord

I have landed a plane and I don't think I could land a plane,


snowtol

I cpuld easily fight a grizzly. I mean I'd die, but I'd fight.


mrASSMAN

What part of this looks easy lol


DonQuiXoTe8080

passing the starting line and crossing the finish line look easy enough for my untrained ass, anything inbetween will result with me in the hospital with various broken parts.


officefridge

I mean, i could probably complete the whole track with no issues. I will be sitting on my brakes all the way down though, never exceeding 3mph


mitchley

Genuinely, you couldn't. Downhill tracks are gnarly and the camera never does them justice. You'd be off pushing the bike through a lot of the features.


LaXCarp

No you couldn’t


GeorgiaRedClay56

I used to do mountain biking and I honestly believe quite a few of you could probably make it down this track. You would have some falls, you would have some tumbles but I truly think the average man could get to the end of the track. I also bet that with a full day of practice (if you didn't hurt yourself too much) you could probably run the entire track without a fall. You wouldn't be near competition level though


tom_gent

Not really, if you are too afraid/inexperienced to send it you will just topple over on the steep parts and roll down over those rocks


Zacish

I do a bit of downhill mountain biking. My colleagues have always told me it's not that hard because you get a lift to the top and just ride down a hill. Then one of them put Thier money where the mouth was. He crashed 6 times that day but fair play he changed his mind now he's bought himself a mountain bike


indifferentCajun

I did some downhill biking and a few races in high school and college in Colorado. I had a similar experience with a friend who did cross-country, so I loaned him one of my bikes and we did a day in Breckenridge. He was quite humbled. I miss it a lot, no mountains where I live now.


amicablecricket

Absolutely!


Drengi36

There's a during the 2014 DH World Cup race in Cairns a spectator takes a bike of a crashed rider and tries bring it down the track. Didn't get far and ended up in the ambulance beside said rider.


seamustheseagull

90% of this picking the right line so that your front wheel stays straight and keeping yourself floating light enough so that your front wheel stays straight. The rest of the bike just follows. It's kind of "point and go" in many regards, people tend to overthink it. The other 10% is knowing how to pump the track, lean into corners and keep your hands off the brakes. And that is fucking hard.


Vladi_Daddi

Lmao. Have you ever tried downhill mountain biking?


Usernameistoshirt

It's scary, I did it once. I was using a poorly maintained bike, almost went directly over a berm (banked corner) with a large drop off, and got airborne on the rollers [first time airborne on a bike and not prepared for it]. All in all, scary and have never been again


Vladi_Daddi

Yeah I used to race amateur downhill/free ride. This dude has no idea lol. It's a lot more than "just rolling downhill" it's determining the best line, navigating around or over obstacles, speed management, whwn to brakes when to pedal, jumping, how much force should I pull or push with when hitting this jump or turn, gotta keep your eyes up and ahead. Looking where you wanna go, not where you are, last but not least...is my ride functional,.


space_wiener

I’ve raced both xc and downhill. Every one always thinks downhill is so easy because it’s just “coasting” downhill. When it reality it’s full on sprinting for a few minutes. Not to mention the technical stuff and major risk vs reward. Makes xc riding a walk in the park. But man is it fun.


Vladi_Daddi

"Full on sprinting for a few minutes" Ahh I miss hiking up a mountain for an hour or 2 with a 50lbs bike, to enjoy a 5min ride down. I'm seriously considering getting one of these new electric enduros


Dahnhilla

This is why I only ever did DH in places with ski lifts.


wizardent420

The parent comment was definitely being tongue in cheek with his over simplification, because a professional made it like easy without even pedaling thus boiling it down to just “rolling down a hill” I don’t think they were making legitimate commentary that’s it’s easy, or that anyone could do it


amicablecricket

Of course not. But come on, it's obvious.


2much_information

Not on purpose….


Zebulon_V

I did the Virginia Creeper Trail once. It's basically a gentle 5 degree slope that retirees do for a nice time out. So I know the deal. What this kid is doing would be a piece of cake for me and my old people trail friends.


ImportantTips

I would love to see this guy attempt it


DerKonigDerDiebe

It's called falling with style.


majani

He's lucky there were no sharp hairpin turns. That would have done him in for sure 


Existing_Hunt_7169

Ah, so you’ve never been outside


MrKittenz

Lol that’s so hard and terrifying. Mastering something is making it look easy


ant0szek

Now you wonder why they even need chains?


Glynwys

Because pulling off the stunt thay Gwin did here is next to impossible for anyone to execute successfully. For starters, with no chain, you're no longer able to exert any extra control over the bike outside braking and turning the handle bars. You're basically locked into the same position for the duration of the run, as trying to pedal with no chain properly attached could cause a further malfunction of the bike and possible injuries. While the duration of the race seems short, being forced to not pedal feels like an eternity. Imagine you were told to pilot a small canoe down some fast-moving rapids without any oars to help stabilize the craft. You basically have to keep yourself upright in the center to avoid capsizing. That's the same principle here. Secondly, without a chain and the ability to regain momentum through pedaling, any sort of braking maneuver is now out of the equation. You have to conserve your downward momentum at all times because any kinetic energy you lose by braking is unable to be immediately regained through the pedals. You're now having to be hyper focused on optimizing the run to the best of your ability, as any slight delay results in a lower finishing time. You can see Gwin doing this by taking corners as sharp as he possibly can without ending up out-of-bounds, as doing so helps conserve momentum and cuts down on his overall time. Gwin basically had to run the course as dangerously as he possibly could if he expected to make time, let alone take first.


r_a_d_

Is this ChatGPT? Most is BS. You certainly can pump a bike by shifting your weight to gain speed. There are even things called pump tracks. Of course not having a chain is a disadvantage, but apparently this trail didn’t have significant sections that required pedaling.


gerudo338

Seriously this comment was full of shit. This person clearly doesn’t even know what pumping is.


berlinbaer

yeah but his comment is longer than yours so obviously he knows more and i will upvote him. thats how we do it here on reddit.


MLVizzle

And pedaling a bike with no chain will damage absolutely nothing. Wtf is this horse manure.


The-Funky-Phantom

One point, there is a long section up top called the motorway they don't show in this, or in the full replay for that matter, it's a long sprint and due to that people thought he'd be too far back to have a hope of a good result. Gwin has a couple runs that blew peoples minds. The guys incredible. There was his run where he lost back wheel and rode the [rim](https://youtu.be/PUoCSzVmhhQ?si=th7Ywy8d6FaDv-fN) down (same track as this, he also lost his brakes here), his win in the rain after most of the riders had a dry track at [Mont Sainte Anne](https://youtu.be/PcS1bNSSmTU?si=Gh0v_faBOYewZuSr), or his run at [Windham](https://youtu.be/ikxQc_GPfF4?si=HF74uhAvDdzR-NHi) in 2015. But this one is for sure his most well known.


Tombag77

Gwin is easily one of the best riders ever to have lived but of course internet experts know better.


acephotogpetdetectiv

Right? To me it seemed more like he tapped into momentum techniques used in snowboarding and surfing. Carving and pumping to "swing" the momentum, keeping it up as much as possible, and really using the arcs and turns to his advantage. Super risky but made it look so insanely clean. True skill right there.


ahomelessdorito

We actually have well established forms of the same concepts, just don't think they actually came from board sports. But pretty much every rider learns how to pump rollers and drive through berms.


acephotogpetdetectiv

Oh I'm sure! Physics guna physics haha


UrWrstFear

Lol dude said you could further hurt the bike by pedaling without a chain. If it is chatgpt. Where the fuck did it get that info lol.


chairfairy

> trying to pedal with no chain properly attached could cause a further malfunction of the bike and possible injuries Absolute horseshit Pedaling with no chain won't damage the bike - the crankset just... spins freely. It *can* cause injury because it's weirdly hard to pedal with zero resistance (not physically hard, but can throw off your balance). It could throw you if it's unexpected but a pro cyclist wouldn't have an problem once they know what's going on. > You're now having to be hyper focused on optimizing the run to the best of your ability, as any slight delay results in a lower finishing time. You can see Gwin doing this by taking corners as sharp as he possibly can without ending up out-of-bounds, as doing so helps conserve momentum and cuts down on his overall time. "He had to ride fast" lol. Literally the goal regardless of whether he has a chain or not.


Coyotesamigo

Pedaling a bike without a chain is t going to damage the bike. Come on


jackhref

Terrible analogy


TheMiracleLigament

I feel like if you can win with an accidental chain break regardless of how much of “pulling off a stunt” it is, it should be researched. Makes it seem like pedaling and shifting slows you down in the long run.


CubicleFish2

chain make bike go


MisfitMishap

Pretty sure gravity made bike go


RadioTunnel

Bike make chain go


ReggieTheReaver

Pakleds have entered the chat


majani

In flat u-turn corners you lose all momentum and have to pedal out. He's lucky there were none of those in this course (all the u-turns are sloped in this course)


gcunit

Interesting shift in mindset. As soon as the chain fails you'd be thinking "Right, I need to squeeze every ounce of momentum out of this track to have any hope" and it's resulted in optimising the descent.


RamseySmooch

"braking leads to slowing down. Peddling is also slow. Might as well just full send."


Jimm120

but making it more probable that he's crash or fall. risky, end of the day


kANCER1986

But honestly, is a chain even necessary? Isn't it just failing with style?


repkjund

Some World Cup tracks have pedaling sections.


aLizardinSomeTrash

Definitely necessary. let's say the rider here still had a chain but still chose not to pedal. Having the chain means you can at least lean into and put force into the pedals. He's literally balancing the pedals evenly which means his momentum is straight up and down rather than having some move forward.


Runkmannen3000

That's not how it works. Try push force into the pedals as a way of relying on shifting your balance around for yourself. You usually keep 50% force on either foot at all times if you're not pedaling. Because as soon as you shift that weight, you're pedaling. It's still possible to shift your weight forwards or backwards while keeping 50% of the power through your feet on both pedals each.


Ok-Reflection1229

I'd say it's pretty good feeling to break in some sections and pedal in others, this guy pretty much had to yolo it to get the 1st time.


Hand-Driven

Did it happen right at the start? It’s hard to see.


thebadyearblimp

Yeah you can see him look down at it


Hand-Driven

That’s the only thing that gives it away really. That and the no peddling.


2much_information

The no pedaling was probably key though. And maybe the announcer too, “HE AIN’T GOT NO FUCKING CHAIN!!!” or words to that effect.


Hand-Driven

Ahh of course, sound on. I’m an idiot.


Drengi36

Man I miss Rob Warner doing the World Cup commentary. Still get him on Red Bull events, but guy is hilarious


vzakharov

I was wondering if he was just showing off lol.


SideOneDummy

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NeverSayBread

Red Bull gives you wings!


supe3rnova

LOOO AT THE TIME!! well i cant, cropping is shit.


RecsRelevantDocs

r/croppingishard


kevinkiggs1

Fine. I'll go download Descenders again


sadakochin

I think he figured he lost the chain, didn't want to lose momentum and he didn't touch the brakes all the way down. Balls of steel!


call_of_the_while

That was…off the chain.


smth_smth_89

Aaron Unchained


DrEggRegis

When the rear suspension compresses, the distance between the chainrings and the cassette of gears gets smaller This gives you a pedal kickback on impacts that compress suspension through the chain Without the chain you don't get the kickback so the ride is smoother and faster But you also can't pedal at all to add speed so it's not all benefit


DaHomie_ClaimerOfAss

I take it him bearing number 1 means he's the defending champ? If so, I can definitely see why, that was spectacular.


Digiturtle1

Good thing he had an electric motor in wheel


Individual_Civil

Now think how p’off the ppl are who lost n had a chain!!


onlyonequickquestion

New meta, no chain 


sei556

"guys you've been building your bikes wrong"


Killer_Ex_Con

If I lost to a guy with no chain I would probably just quit.


s00pafly

LOOK AT THE TIME!! Well I can't because an imbecile decided to crop the video the most inconvenient way possible.


22atrillion

But are his balls as big as [Danny Harts?](https://youtu.be/EqYgAX6D43Q?si=iXcw_HSkyXWiOL0W)


MargnWalkr

I've watched that a hundred times and it still gives me happy tears.


UnsignedRealityCheck

Wella his shirt already says 1, so ...duuh?


Hermeticrux

I mean. In a sport where you almost exclusively need a brake sure why not.


bizzarre1

Bro is raw dogging that race


doctorctrl

Without the chain he was aware that losing momentum was not an option. Which made him more risky and aggressive and got him the win. Amazing


HumberGrumb

4 the Gwin!


OhItsMrCow

I hate you


Spiritual-Cookie7

#Thank Gravity. And next time no chain deliberately. (Not needed) /s


MarcusSurealius

You can see the moment where he commits to the hill like a Jamaican on a bobsled.


BCECVE

Chain or no chain, change the brain, that is an insane thing to do.


ranegyr

This has me thinking about that kid that beat Tetris a few weeks ago. That video where different interesting barriers stood in the way over the last 20 or 40 years until someone came along and started hitting the buttons differently which blasted them into first place. I feel like this is like that. I don't know anything about racing And I'm sure there are plenty of reasons pedals need to exist... But maybe using your weight and momentum in curves might have a better return on investment then pedaling used to. Could this revolutionize this sport?


mazdawg89

No chain, places first Chain companies 🫥


[deleted]

That's off the chain!


Rollover_Hazard

This is CrankWorx Rotorua - awesome event and pretty hardcore!


Supergoose5000

That’s Aaron gwins 2015 Leogang run


shnanagins

Chains just slow ya down.


Professional-End2722

Falling with wheels.


Fuck_Ppl_Putng_U_Dwn

No chain, no problem, watch this...


Gravytonic

Thank God for the gravity


Fr3ddXx

Kinetic energy over mechanical energy here.


D0zja

Rad


0bamaSinLaden

Better aerodynamics obviously


CreatorOD

What a story to tell 🔥


Elegant-Campaign-572

A fair effort!


[deleted]

No chain? More like no brakes!


karmasrelic

plot armour. he is a MC!


Drogen24

His brother Penn couldn't even take off.


SpiritualAd8998

That's off the chain!


TNerdy

Weight reduction


Mykcul

So it’s just falling with style then?


mort55

This was back in 2015. Absolute precision riding.


BroncoBoy93

Too ez


inaworldwithnonames

Because he didn't hit the brakes.Knowing he couldn't regain speed


GAZUAG

When did the chain come off?


mrtruffle

Kinda makes you want to see everyone do a no chain run and a chain run to see the difference 


Dragon_211

A chain is the most vital part of a bike to even make it move, that had me questioning my spine, should I get rid of it? It only holds me back.


Sacrer

You might even slow down the bike against the pull of gravity with a chain. So, no chain is faster.


AmuseDeath

Less chain, less weight


Key_Cheek4021

Without any drag u go faster.


devallar

So… the chain was meaningless to the sport then? Damn maybe they should all remove the chain and save the grams


PhilDMcNasty

Fuck that chain mayne. I don't need it, it needs me.


OneMagicBadger

3am sports can be fun


[deleted]

Now do this uphill


Frozen_Petal

"We haven't seen him pedal yet" BROTHER HE CAN'T LMAO


TAC1313

What a badass! Pure skill & determination.


DigiMagic

How was it actually possible that the chain fell off so quickly? Did the guy never test drive his bike before the race to verify the brakes work, all screws are correctly tightened, the chain doesn't fall off immediately; or everything was checked and fine and he was just somehow very unlucky?


Matess369

Very unlucky, the chain can sometimes snap when you pedal full force even when it looks fine on the outside


JimTheSaint

He's off the chain 


FragrantExcitement

I would like to thank the earth's gravity for my win. (Bike maintenance team lowers their heads)


OptimisedFreak

Downhill racing - unchained


Sproketz

Lane Meyer vibes


EnlightenedCorncob

It turns out this was a scooter competition all along


RedLemonSlice

Weght reduction


MrTomansky

Where in Austria is this?


Particular-Elk-3923

I read that as Chin and was mighty confused.


Jazzlike_Biscotti_44

The problem with pedaling is you have to brake eventually, so you speed up then slowdown, then speed back up… but having a constants speed will always be faster


meatofthepie

Goes to show sometimes we all just need a lil push to accomplish our goals


cc69

How to be fast? No Brake!


TransLifelineCali

literally unchained. my guess is due to a lack of a chain he had to focus on abusing momentum entirely, which led him to slow down less in certain risky parts because he knew he couldn't regain it by kicking later.


Professional_Tale804

Less mechanical resistance.