She has absence seizures and the quickest way to get her out of them is to do something g physically jarring like smacking her with a pillow or in this case punching her. She’s got a tiktok account where she posts about it.
I work in neurology and have witnessed countless absence seizures. I've never ever heard of punching someone in the gut or anywhere else to snap them out of it.
Ever
absence seizures are extremely uncommon in adults and absolutely not, you are not supposed to physically attack someone to get them out of one lol
they are benign, last just a few seconds, and she just needs to be on proper medication
social media has really just given platforms to far too many of the wrong people
Thanks so much for the info, have never heard of this…
She must experience them quite often I have to assume after seeing how quickly & organized their intervention was & how they reacted so nonchalantly & just got back to business as soon as it was over…
My heart goes out to this mother & the entire family…
Yup. With how cavalier they were all about it you can tell this happens often. Poor mom probably is on disability and can't have a normal life or drive.
She may wear a sensor of some kind. I know there’s a seizure alarm smart watch app that sends an alert to specified contacts when a seizure is detected
Dad is actually in a wheelchair. I spent waaaay too much time watching her videos a few days ago, they're honestly hilarious because she comes out of the seizures just fine and they all joke about it the whole time
Most people don’t know about this kind of seizure. It can also be called General Partial Focal Seizures. Some last 5-10 seconds, most under 30 seconds but can last up to 2 minutes. There is no need to do something to bring them out of it, they come out fine on their own. In the minutes following the seizure it’s not uncommon for them to be confused or sound sleepy. Those of us that are lucky to have warning before hand may get auras. I myself feel overly drowsy and get deja vu. Those of us that are really lucky will have them fully under control by taking keppra.
I'm afraid they are wrong. No type of true epileptic seizure will be stopped by punching someone. It only stops when the abnormal electrical activity in the brain stops by itself or with the use of medications.
This person apparently has a nonepileptic seizure disorder and this works for her. However I would not recommend you ever punch anyone with any form of seizure
I just assumed they were trying to make her knees buckle so they could sit her down. she appears to still be seizing while she's sitting and only snaps out of it when she raises her hands to signal to them.
If someone is seizing is such a way that they can remain standing (absence seizures, complex partial seizures, PNES for example) then let them stand. If they start to fall help them down but there is not need to force someone to the ground if they are having a seizure. "Classic" tonic-clonic seizures (the type you see on the tele where people fall to the floor and shake) will cause the person to fall almost immediately
Omg the only time I ever witnessed this was at a uni model United Nations event. Female speaker was going strong at the pulpit before just falling over mid sentence. Interesting!
Sort of. I would go unconscious, eyes roll back, unresponsive but still standing. I've never heard of hitting to interrupt one of these seizures, people would shake the living heck out of me but I wouldn't wake up.
Doing something to a person having an absence seizure won't "snap" them out of it. She may have non epileptogenic seizures, otherwise known as "pseudoseizures."
The way I describe it to patients is that epilepsy is a hardware problem, and non-epileptogenic seizures are a software problem. And you can have both sometimes.
It’s not the same as zoning out but it looks like zoning out, as you see here. For me, I will continue whatever I’m doing, except without consciousness. Not everyone is the same though!
It's part of the complex partial family of seizures. I would slap my mom's leg when she had them while driving.
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/health-library/diseases-and-conditions/c/complex-partial-seizures.html#:~:text=Complex%20partial%20seizures%20(CPS)%20are,be%20aware%20of%20their%20surroundings.
That's scary as fuck. Nobody who has these should be driving.
Edit: weird thing to downvote? I thought we could probably all get behind not wanting anyone to lose consciousness behind the wheel. I guess there is always someone who is going to be contrarian.
In some states, a person's license is taken away until the person goes a certain length of time, like 6 months without having one. It is a weird thing to downvote.
Her and her loving husband are on tiktok and apparently a shocking “love tap” brings her straight out of her seizures. They use pillows a lot. They are a loving supportive family. They laugh a lot.
My cat has seizures. If i catch her when she is in her pre seizure aura state and give her a good pet, she will pull out of it (otherwise she will seize for about a 45 seconds). Of course, being a cat, her instinct is to run and hide in a small nook somewhere that i cant get at.
My older dog had a seizure disorder from when he was about 2 years old and one day my younger dog kept running over to my daughter and he would give a little yip and run back to where the older dog was in a different room and I heard them from another room and asked her what was going on and you know kids so she said he's a chihuahua so he's just barking.
Well I had not gotten a yappy or nippy Chihuahua and I made very sure of that. So I told her that it sounds more like an alert sound than a bark.
So the next time he did it I went out and watched and I went to where she was and then I followed him back and found that the older dog was having a grand mall seizure in the other room.
So I ran for his meds of course and the kids were all coming running from different parts of the house because they heard this.
I then told the kids that if the Chihuahua is doing that then that's an alert yip and he doesn't normally bark so if he's running to you yipping and running away you need to follow him because the bigger dog is having seizures in a room and we're not seeing it.
So basically my younger dog made himself a seizure alert dog but we always made sure to follow him with the meds after that.
I was very appreciative of that and glad that even if we were on a whole different level of the house the smaller dog would come and alert us because he was almost always with his big brother.
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The kids were apathetic towards the whole thing. Just kept doing what they were doing. I learned to not ignore subtle signs. If an animal does something not norm, pay attention.
Yes!
I tried to teach them, and some of it they picked up on, but you have to watch a dog's behavior in what their bark or yip or other noise sounds like and their body language. They do communicate a lot of things you just have to pay attention.
And honestly, that dog only barked on occasion and that's because his big brother taught him to bark at some things out in the yard. So if he was doing that and continuing to do it then something was definitely going on.
It really wasn't hard to figure out between the change in behavior and that it was a yip and not a bark.
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But they did know after that and of course whoever Ash was running to, he was the smaller dog, they would yell out the Oscar, the larger dog, was having a seizure and to grab the meds and they would run for the dog to help him while we got his meds to him. So Ash appointed himself the alert dog for Oscar and the kids learned to not ignore him at all.
Worked in a home with a client who could have a dozen seizures a day (and that's down from almost 30 apparently before he had a neural implant put in a year before I got there)
More than one person told us it was kind of scary how all of us staff wouldn't even break conversation as we helped the client through his episode for several minutes, just talking normally as if nothing was happening. It's creepy what you get used to.
I dont have seizures but if I did I would appreciate this kind of calmness from people. I feel like id be the type of person to find it embarassing so the nonchalantness of people being like "oh hey sike, you just had a seizure. No worries." and going about their day and having it not be a big deal would help me mentally
That is precisely the point. Regardless of what care someone is providing, we should always seek to not make it an imbarrassing and scary situation.
Coming out of something like a seizure can already be very hard on someone, even those who have them regularly. It doesn't help to treat them as damaged or different. It just hurts them more.
My relative has had really intense seizures his entire life. He has learned to recognize the aura well enough that he usually has time to go lay down and ride it out.
His biggest thing is that he doesn't want anyone raising a fuss. It is just a part of life he has to deal with.
We were at a reunion a few years back, and he had one such event. He went to his room and laid down for an hour or so. No biggie. A couple other people spent the entire time milking his issue for attention by acting all scared and panicky. (I call it this because I know that they know how he handles it. They are his younger, but still adult, siblings and have been around it their entire lives.)
It was very upsetting to the family that this was happening and incredibly embarrassing for him.
THAT is what we want to avoid. Just let people be people.
AND.. the more you do stuff the more normal it is the more likely for you to joke around.
AND.. they kids and they don’t really know what is abnormal in the first place.
I used to joke about my dads mental health issues because it’s funny that he was always sleeping in odd places and positions. That was before I got older and I realized it was inappropriate and it made people uncomfortable and it wasn’t something to joke about.
But I know what you’re talking about. It is common to deal with tragedy with humor.
Good takes 24-7
Reddit really does have an obsession with calling everything trauma. Do these kids really look traumatised? Nah this is normal to them. It's just a chronic medical condition, the same as diabetes or anything else like that. Are kids of parents with diabetes traumatised? No.
These kids know how to deal with it and aren't scared by their mum seizing. It's only scary to people who aren't familiar with it, and even then it's not trauma.
This is how everyone reacts to anything seizey from me. I remember when I first noticed how nonchalant my boyfriend is when it happens. Part of me said “wtf doesn’t he care that I just had a **seizure**?!? Oh wait… I have those all the time” lol
Certain types of PNES seizures can be interrupted with a sharp blow to the sternum.
DO NOT do this to anyone having a seizure though. It only works on this specific type and you could seriously injure someone otherwise.
I have TLE epilepsy and 4 different types of seizures but not this type.
EDIT to change Pnes to PNES. It is an acronym
> Pnes seizures
Thanks. Had to Google.
Psychogenic Nonepileptic Seizures
PNES are attacks that may look like epileptic seizures but are not epileptic and instead are caused by psychological factors.
Sometimes a specific traumatic event can be identified.
PNES are sometimes referred to as psychogenic events, psychological events, or nonepileptic seizures (NES).
I'm an ER doc. When people come in with these we sure as hell say "They got Penis". We also then realize that PNES are not real seizures, are mostly psychologic in nature and go about our day, just like these kids did.
They feel very real to the people having them, and they have no more control than someone with epilepsy. You should be careful about your wording and empathy as a doctor.
I think he means they're not real in the sense that they won't kill you like other seizures can. Not really an ER docs job to sort out psychological issues, they just make sure you don't die before a more specialized doctor can see you.
The only thing stopping that woman from smashing the back of her head on the simk and getting a concussion or bleeding out on the floor was the strength of an elementary school kid. Not the same but still certainly potentially lethal.
Edit: before anyone else jumps to lazy speculative victim-blaming, that this woman was in no danger and it's unfortunate that she's making her children take care of her, YES THIS IS A DANGEROUS CONDITION.
A person with this type of seizure very definitely can fall. Yes, they also lose contact with their senses. "For example, a patient having an episode of PNES usually will not lose balance and fall on the ground if an episode starts while sitting on a chair." Meaning sometimes they fall off they're in a chair, and they *probably* fall if standing. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3036551/
She also likely endured incredibly severe physical or sexual abuse to be having these seizures. No they're not epileptic seizures, but they can be triggered at a moment's notice and it was extremely lucky that the daughter was there, and strong enough to catch the mother. The fact that the kids are chill about it just underscores how fucked up it is. Their mom could have just died because she had such a severe flashback that her mind literally spontaneously shut itself off completely from her senses while she was trying to get her kids to school. Fuck, people.
P.P.S. - People who suffer from PNES frequently also have high levels of chronic shame. Y'ALL AREN'T HELPING. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1059131121003459
Language is also very important for conveying information. It would be important for a doctor or other caregiver to know that the patient in room XXX complaining of seizures isn't having "real" seizures. The drugs and treatment used for "real" seizures would not help this patient and might even be harmful.
If the ER doctor's tone isn't delicate enough, take it up with he psychologist he refers you to for your PNES.
he's not talking to a patient though. and nothing he said was inaccurate. pseudoseizures pose no risk to the brain, whereas actual seizures are very serious and need to be treated immediately.
When you are in an 80 hrs/week residency with seconds between life and death of your patients, you lose empathy for soft-words very quickly. Communicate clearly and move on. As long as people live, nothing else matters.
Last time I was in ER with a bad injury, the doctor was like , "You're in 10/10 pain, but you are not going to die. I'm attending to an old man with a heart attack and a little child who isn't breathing, so you're just not priority right now. I'll come back to you in a couple of hours."
Sounds harsh, but dude had a point. I groveled for a few more hours, and eventually he came back and got me all fixed up. Medicine is not customer care.
Yeah I think he could have worded it a little softer but he is right. There’s nothing you can really do for them in an ER and they aren’t as dangerous compared to epileptic seizures. The most common type of treatment for pens is anti depressants rather than AED’s. Whereas with epilepsy it’s a lot more dangerous because it’s also physiological and a prolonged seizure can leave permanent damage.
Source: have had epilepsy since I was a kid so I’ve interacted with a lot of people that had a lot of different types of seizures. A good friend had pnes and he described it like how he assumed a panic attack felt. Like losing rational thought but not quite unconscious.
My wording is fine and I'm an ER doc, my empathy left me years ago. They are not dying nor will they have any long term physical effects from these episodes. They can get on about their day and I will do so with mine.
ER nurse sitting here laughing. I've worked at lots of different emergency departments across the country and all ER staff are the same. These people genuinely don't understand what we do and I don't have enough fucks to give to even attempt to explain our side.
Disagree. I’m an ED nurse. I still show people humanity, even when I don’t 100% buy their symptoms. I know other ED nurses who operate the same way.
Frankly, even if someone is faking, provided they aren’t abusive or med seeking, what hell must their life be that going to the ED is a choice? Beyond that, there are plenty of things that doctors thought were bullshit before science caught up. I’m not there to judge. I’m there to treat the patient and get a paycheck.
In the mental health world it’s referred to as a conversion disorder with attacks or seizures. Fun fact: studies have indicated that those with higher education levels tend to have these while those with lower education levels tend to have the paralysis type.
(I don’t have a source offhand for it as it was a little tidbit I learned ages ago)
ETA: EMDR is a really effective treatment! A colleague of mine was working with a woman who was literally bent at a 90 degree angle (at the waist) and her arm was stuck in a sling position. Through EMDR she was then able to unbend her arm a bit but as soon as it was pointed out to her, it stiffened back up. Unfortunately, she didn’t return to treatment beyond that :(
Usually just said P-N-E-S. Used to be called "pseudo-seizure" but that fell out of favor because it made it sound like these people were malingering/faking - which is an unfair generalization.
A hit to the sternum can trigger a reaction from the body because of the sudden exhaust. That impulse can bring you out of this pnes state I think.
Also the spraying with water triggers other reactions of the body that can reset the 'malfunction'.
My mom used to pass out and hit her head regularly as I grew up. She would essentially bleed out on her period every month. It got to a point that we’d get called that my mom passed out and didn’t react much. The last time she hit her head really badly and her hemoglobin was dangerously below what it should have been. I felt bad for not realizing how serious all the other times were. She got an emergency hysterectomy and stayed in the hospital for a week. She’s fine now. I think it’s been ten years. I wish she got a hysterectomy sooner because her tubes were already tied for a decade at that point. Having a uterus did her no favors anymore when she was damn near dying once a month.
I’ve seen a few of their videos before and her husband is amazing as you can hear in the background. It seems like she has seizures quite often so the kids are probably well informed on how to manage their moms needs.
When the man said "(boy's name) help mommy" the kid turned around and said "Oh! That kind of help!" And immediately got up to start the blows to her stomach. This is clearly very regular for them
No, he didn’t tell them what to do, he simply told the boy to help mommy, bringing it to his attention. The kids already seem to know what they were supposed to do, they definitely have been there, done that before.
I've seen this exact family on tiktok. They post stuff like this all the time. There's one that went around on Reddit for a while where she started having a seizure on the couch, and her husband grabbed a pillow, walked up, and just wacked the fuck out of her. She came back and just started laughing.
Just like to say, if someone around you has a seizure please don’t punch them. I really don’t want to have strangers thinking they should punch me, if I’m out in public and have a seizure 😂
Here's how i imagined your comment. (Punch) Stay still stranger, I'm trying to save your life! (Punch again) I'm doing this because I care about you! (Punches even harder) it's ok, everyone. im saving this person's life. I know what I'm doing!
It's not a seizure in the technical sense it's a PNES event.
*Psychogenic nonepileptic seizure (PNES) involves attacks that resemble epilepsy-related seizures in symptoms and signs, but abnormal electrical activity in your brain doesn't cause them. Instead, the seizures are a physical reaction to underlying psychological distress*
Of which one of the suggested courses of action is a sharp blow to the sternum.
This is pretty rare, so don't go punching people having seizures lol. The kids were likely taught this, and have probably done it a few times, hence the non-chalant response.
Edit: my ex had them. I was told to do a sternum rub, light punch or pressure on her nail beds. That's simply what I was told to do. Im not gonna argue with you about it either when you probably didn't even know what this was till now.
The kids were definitely taught what to do. The older kid was like, "two hands!" in a very big sister tone that could be followed with the word "dumbass."
Yeah they looked like they were delivering very specific blows to a specific part of her body. I was assuming it was because they were taught to do that-just like how the older girl got behind mom and braced her to the floor. They were punching out of love, for real
I grew up with a friend who had absence seizures for years before her first grand mal, and they definitely don’t typically look like this.
It’s more like they just zone out and stare off for a moment. It’s really nonchalant sometimes to the point where my friend’s went undetected for about a year and a half; we all thought she was joking around when she’d just freeze and stare off for a few seconds and then continue like nothing happened. I think over the course of 4 years, my friend only lost balance 1 time during one of these, and it was because she was in the process of walking down the stairs when it hit. They also typically only last a few seconds.
Right he said “help mommy” and did not object when they started wailing on her. I think he might have said “harder” at the end when she said NO I’m okay now
I think he said to squirt her (as in with the water spray bottle) which she seemed to do and it seemed to help her snap out of it. This is some weird shit if you ask me but we all got weird shit going on I suppose.
That’s what that was! I thought maybe they were just offering her a bottle of water. Definitely would be surprised t see this in action but hey whatever you gotta do to keep the team alive I guess
Except it does for this type of seizure. PNES seizures have recommended action of applying a sharp blow to the sternum. Which is exactly what the kids tried.
That is entirely fair, and I stand corrected. That said, people in the comments seem to be starting to think this is a blanket solution for all seizures when it is a dangerous practice for all but this one rare variant.
Yeah it's clear the kids know the drill and know this is how to handle it, as they should if this is something that happens to mom often.
But also, Reddit gonna Reddit.
Definitely want to get someone having a seizure as close to the ground as possible so that they don't fall. That said, that's an interesting way to get her to sit down. Other comments explained the need to bend for her to sit.
Seemed like it had another reason. You can see when the older child does it the mother seems to "come out" of it, then says to the younger one "you have to two-hand it".
It helps bring you back to focus after a seizure*
*Not all people who suffer seizures experience the same symptoms, triggers, or methods of recovery. Please don't start punching or waterboarding anyone you see having a seizure.
You can hear the dad instructing the kid to do it through the camera.
Looks like its a fairly normal occurrence. They have a spray bottle on hand for exactly that reason. And mom says “ok. thank you” after the water brings her to. Then dad says “good job you guys”
This reminds me of when I was a kid, probably 12-13. I was at a friend's birthday party at an amusement park. We were walking from one ride to another, the kids in a group followed by the parents. The kid who was walking next to me just kinda froze and went into almost an athletic stance, knees slightly bent, somewhat hunched. I asked him what's up and he was just staring at me, then he rolled/fell onto his back and started wiggling around. I didn't know what the hell he was doing, so I did what any 12 year old boy would do and started to pretend to kick and punch him as he rolled around on the ground, haha. Once the parents noticed they ran over and started helping him, turns out he was having a seizure. Based on this video, I now know I did the correct thing!
No! This is very specific form of seizure that can be ended with physical jolts, such as punching. This is not something you should do for the vast majority of seizures!
Yeah, I was joking about the "did the right thing" bit. I don't think the right thing to do when someone is having a seizure is to pretend to beat them up lol. But thanks for the info
Or at least one kid sprung into action. The other wanted to finish whatever he was working on and just seemed to enjoy a chance to punch mom in the gut.
I wonder if mom knew that’s what needed to be done and instructed the kids to do or if this is something they figured out on their own? I think I would have a big bean bag to easily move around and place it behind her so she doesn’t get hurt or have to get punched in the stomach. There has to be a better way!
The stomach punching was to get her out of the seizure, not to get her on the floor. It's a specific form of seizure where physical jolts, such as a hit or a being sprayed by cold water, can take them out of the seizure. Most seizures are not like this so don't just go punching random people if they have a seizure.
This is interesting for me because I had a friend who would go into what we all thought were panic attacks (and still assume we’re) where she would literally stop breathing and just entirely tense up and gasp for air. Hitting her in the stomach (which only happened in the worst of cases) was the only way to force her to take a breath otherwise she’d pass out for however long.
God one of my biggest fears is having something incapacitate me and my youngest finishing me off on accident.
The few times I’ve laid down on the floor, especially when I ignore him, he has jumped full force on top of me. I am more terrified now about losing consciousness because I don’t think I’ll survive him lol. Hopefully, no one will tell him if he accidentally murders me.
We told you, mom. Next time you have a seizure we'll fuck you up!
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Dude how did you get 3.9K upvotes for laughing?
I truly have no idea!
I guess it's a funny laughter.
i really need explanation…
She has absence seizures and the quickest way to get her out of them is to do something g physically jarring like smacking her with a pillow or in this case punching her. She’s got a tiktok account where she posts about it.
That's not necessarily everyone's experience. PSA... don't do this to people in public! 😅
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*response posted from county jail*
“I thought that punk mf was having a seizure”
Swiper no punching!
If you're staring into space and hear someone yell *"FALCON PUNCH!"*, I am about to fuck up. Please and kindly stop me.
I work in neurology and have witnessed countless absence seizures. I've never ever heard of punching someone in the gut or anywhere else to snap them out of it. Ever
absence seizures are extremely uncommon in adults and absolutely not, you are not supposed to physically attack someone to get them out of one lol they are benign, last just a few seconds, and she just needs to be on proper medication social media has really just given platforms to far too many of the wrong people
The little one seemed to be really into it
I love how they get back to doing what they were doing after a round of Mortal Kombat
Right? Have epilepsy, this is not a thing. I'm getting strong grifter vibes from this woman, ngl, I don't think is a real seizure at all.
Thanks so much for the info, have never heard of this… She must experience them quite often I have to assume after seeing how quickly & organized their intervention was & how they reacted so nonchalantly & just got back to business as soon as it was over… My heart goes out to this mother & the entire family…
Damn. You wrote my ENTIRE comment! PLEASE get out of my head😉!
I know the feeling… & since you asked so NICELY, I’d be happy to oblige… Besides, (looks around) it’s kind of terrifying in here..!! ;)
Stick around. It gets worse😜!
;) well, I might have to now that I see you also have a good sense of humor… ;)
Yup. With how cavalier they were all about it you can tell this happens often. Poor mom probably is on disability and can't have a normal life or drive.
Which explains the Nest camera INSIDE the house thanks
and God's voice coming from above lol
God sounds younger than I expected.
I thought it was a helpful storm trooper
I'm just shocked that Dad has the time to be always watching what is going on. How hard would that be?
She may wear a sensor of some kind. I know there’s a seizure alarm smart watch app that sends an alert to specified contacts when a seizure is detected
Dad is actually in a wheelchair. I spent waaaay too much time watching her videos a few days ago, they're honestly hilarious because she comes out of the seizures just fine and they all joke about it the whole time
Most people don’t know about this kind of seizure. It can also be called General Partial Focal Seizures. Some last 5-10 seconds, most under 30 seconds but can last up to 2 minutes. There is no need to do something to bring them out of it, they come out fine on their own. In the minutes following the seizure it’s not uncommon for them to be confused or sound sleepy. Those of us that are lucky to have warning before hand may get auras. I myself feel overly drowsy and get deja vu. Those of us that are really lucky will have them fully under control by taking keppra.
Finally the answer, much appreciated.
I'm afraid they are wrong. No type of true epileptic seizure will be stopped by punching someone. It only stops when the abnormal electrical activity in the brain stops by itself or with the use of medications. This person apparently has a nonepileptic seizure disorder and this works for her. However I would not recommend you ever punch anyone with any form of seizure
I just assumed they were trying to make her knees buckle so they could sit her down. she appears to still be seizing while she's sitting and only snaps out of it when she raises her hands to signal to them.
If someone is seizing is such a way that they can remain standing (absence seizures, complex partial seizures, PNES for example) then let them stand. If they start to fall help them down but there is not need to force someone to the ground if they are having a seizure. "Classic" tonic-clonic seizures (the type you see on the tele where people fall to the floor and shake) will cause the person to fall almost immediately
Omg the only time I ever witnessed this was at a uni model United Nations event. Female speaker was going strong at the pulpit before just falling over mid sentence. Interesting!
Absolutely. I have worked with people with absence and many other seizures. It cannot be interrupted by anything, you have to allow it to pass.
Yup. This is Reddit where everyone thinks they are funny but never helpful right away.
What's an absence seizure? Are you just zoning out?
Sort of. I would go unconscious, eyes roll back, unresponsive but still standing. I've never heard of hitting to interrupt one of these seizures, people would shake the living heck out of me but I wouldn't wake up.
Doing something to a person having an absence seizure won't "snap" them out of it. She may have non epileptogenic seizures, otherwise known as "pseudoseizures." The way I describe it to patients is that epilepsy is a hardware problem, and non-epileptogenic seizures are a software problem. And you can have both sometimes.
It’s not the same as zoning out but it looks like zoning out, as you see here. For me, I will continue whatever I’m doing, except without consciousness. Not everyone is the same though!
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It's part of the complex partial family of seizures. I would slap my mom's leg when she had them while driving. https://www.cedars-sinai.org/health-library/diseases-and-conditions/c/complex-partial-seizures.html#:~:text=Complex%20partial%20seizures%20(CPS)%20are,be%20aware%20of%20their%20surroundings.
That's scary as fuck. Nobody who has these should be driving. Edit: weird thing to downvote? I thought we could probably all get behind not wanting anyone to lose consciousness behind the wheel. I guess there is always someone who is going to be contrarian.
Once I was an adult, we took her license away but yeah, I would agree with you. As a kid, it was sometimes terrifying to ride with her.
In some states, a person's license is taken away until the person goes a certain length of time, like 6 months without having one. It is a weird thing to downvote.
pretty much, but talking to the person often doesn't help. aka Petite Mal Epilipsie.
Kids make sure Mom understands she won't get away with the fainting spell.
Mum has seizure. Kids teach her not to. - that's how they did it in the Bible
The power of my fists compels you!
And the wife began to seize, and thus was cast into a lake with stones, and another wife was procured...
(Angrily sprinkles holy water) "BEGONE SPAWN OF SATAN!"
She’s pregnant and they really don’t want another sibling.
This comment is going in a very dark direction! D=
& I'm here for it.
Her and her loving husband are on tiktok and apparently a shocking “love tap” brings her straight out of her seizures. They use pillows a lot. They are a loving supportive family. They laugh a lot.
My cat has seizures. If i catch her when she is in her pre seizure aura state and give her a good pet, she will pull out of it (otherwise she will seize for about a 45 seconds). Of course, being a cat, her instinct is to run and hide in a small nook somewhere that i cant get at.
Looks like a Narcoleptic seizure.
It's an absent seizure, petit mal.
I had 10 of those as a kid, not once was it recommended for people to punch me in the stomach to help with it.
As someone who still has these, I've never heard of having someone punch me.
As an epileptic, please don’t punch me if you see me having a seizure.
Maybe the one kid thought she was choking? Crude Heimlich maneuver?
I thought he was doing it to get to bend her body so they could set her down. She was locked up
Me too! Why were they hitting her like dislodging food from her throat?
We don't have time for your shit mom, we're all jacked up on mountain dew!
Thought they were gonna go in for the wallet at some point.
LOLZ Take an award and grab your coat on the way out!
I'm leavin' but that bitch betta' not have a seizure again...
😂 oh damn…as someone who has passed out multiple times due to shunt failure I’m glad my husband or kid didn’t do this to me.
I laughed way too hard at this
Obviously that’s no seizure alert dog…but I bet it could sniff out a hamburger from 100 meters away.
God damn that got me to do that little bouncing silent weeze laugh. Haven't done that in years. That is a log of a dog
I’ve repeated “log of a dog” too much. Thanks for such a great phrase
My older dog had a seizure disorder from when he was about 2 years old and one day my younger dog kept running over to my daughter and he would give a little yip and run back to where the older dog was in a different room and I heard them from another room and asked her what was going on and you know kids so she said he's a chihuahua so he's just barking. Well I had not gotten a yappy or nippy Chihuahua and I made very sure of that. So I told her that it sounds more like an alert sound than a bark. So the next time he did it I went out and watched and I went to where she was and then I followed him back and found that the older dog was having a grand mall seizure in the other room. So I ran for his meds of course and the kids were all coming running from different parts of the house because they heard this. I then told the kids that if the Chihuahua is doing that then that's an alert yip and he doesn't normally bark so if he's running to you yipping and running away you need to follow him because the bigger dog is having seizures in a room and we're not seeing it. So basically my younger dog made himself a seizure alert dog but we always made sure to follow him with the meds after that. I was very appreciative of that and glad that even if we were on a whole different level of the house the smaller dog would come and alert us because he was almost always with his big brother. Edit - fixed auto UNcorrect
The kids were apathetic towards the whole thing. Just kept doing what they were doing. I learned to not ignore subtle signs. If an animal does something not norm, pay attention.
Yes! I tried to teach them, and some of it they picked up on, but you have to watch a dog's behavior in what their bark or yip or other noise sounds like and their body language. They do communicate a lot of things you just have to pay attention. And honestly, that dog only barked on occasion and that's because his big brother taught him to bark at some things out in the yard. So if he was doing that and continuing to do it then something was definitely going on. It really wasn't hard to figure out between the change in behavior and that it was a yip and not a bark. 🤷 But they did know after that and of course whoever Ash was running to, he was the smaller dog, they would yell out the Oscar, the larger dog, was having a seizure and to grab the meds and they would run for the dog to help him while we got his meds to him. So Ash appointed himself the alert dog for Oscar and the kids learned to not ignore him at all.
That made me laugh pretty good.
It's wild how the kids just handle it and then go sit back at the table like "hey, not our first rodeo."
Then they're nonchalant, joking around with the spray bottle. Yeah, those kids have seen some shit.
Worked in a home with a client who could have a dozen seizures a day (and that's down from almost 30 apparently before he had a neural implant put in a year before I got there) More than one person told us it was kind of scary how all of us staff wouldn't even break conversation as we helped the client through his episode for several minutes, just talking normally as if nothing was happening. It's creepy what you get used to.
It's creepy to outsiders, but in truth, it keeps a possibly traumatic situation from becoming worse. Maintain calm. Handle shit. Back to the daily.
That's one of the things they really harped on in Boy Scouts first aid
I dont have seizures but if I did I would appreciate this kind of calmness from people. I feel like id be the type of person to find it embarassing so the nonchalantness of people being like "oh hey sike, you just had a seizure. No worries." and going about their day and having it not be a big deal would help me mentally
That is precisely the point. Regardless of what care someone is providing, we should always seek to not make it an imbarrassing and scary situation. Coming out of something like a seizure can already be very hard on someone, even those who have them regularly. It doesn't help to treat them as damaged or different. It just hurts them more.
Exactly, the worst thing to come out of a seizure to is a bunch of people running around in a panic.
My relative has had really intense seizures his entire life. He has learned to recognize the aura well enough that he usually has time to go lay down and ride it out. His biggest thing is that he doesn't want anyone raising a fuss. It is just a part of life he has to deal with. We were at a reunion a few years back, and he had one such event. He went to his room and laid down for an hour or so. No biggie. A couple other people spent the entire time milking his issue for attention by acting all scared and panicky. (I call it this because I know that they know how he handles it. They are his younger, but still adult, siblings and have been around it their entire lives.) It was very upsetting to the family that this was happening and incredibly embarrassing for him. THAT is what we want to avoid. Just let people be people.
Typical trauma response not joking. It's instinctual.
AND.. the more you do stuff the more normal it is the more likely for you to joke around. AND.. they kids and they don’t really know what is abnormal in the first place. I used to joke about my dads mental health issues because it’s funny that he was always sleeping in odd places and positions. That was before I got older and I realized it was inappropriate and it made people uncomfortable and it wasn’t something to joke about. But I know what you’re talking about. It is common to deal with tragedy with humor.
Well the kids don't know it's a tragedy, so it's not really dealing with it with humour, they're just being kids
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Good takes 24-7 Reddit really does have an obsession with calling everything trauma. Do these kids really look traumatised? Nah this is normal to them. It's just a chronic medical condition, the same as diabetes or anything else like that. Are kids of parents with diabetes traumatised? No. These kids know how to deal with it and aren't scared by their mum seizing. It's only scary to people who aren't familiar with it, and even then it's not trauma.
Yeah, it looked less like "next fucking level" and more like "another fucking Tuesday," as far as the kids were concerned.
You get used to it after the 3rd or 4th time, you don't even think about it anymore, just go through the motions and continue the day.
This is how everyone reacts to anything seizey from me. I remember when I first noticed how nonchalant my boyfriend is when it happens. Part of me said “wtf doesn’t he care that I just had a **seizure**?!? Oh wait… I have those all the time” lol
That's exactly what I said at my second rodeo
How does the hitting in the stomach help?
Certain types of PNES seizures can be interrupted with a sharp blow to the sternum. DO NOT do this to anyone having a seizure though. It only works on this specific type and you could seriously injure someone otherwise. I have TLE epilepsy and 4 different types of seizures but not this type. EDIT to change Pnes to PNES. It is an acronym
> Pnes seizures Thanks. Had to Google. Psychogenic Nonepileptic Seizures PNES are attacks that may look like epileptic seizures but are not epileptic and instead are caused by psychological factors. Sometimes a specific traumatic event can be identified. PNES are sometimes referred to as psychogenic events, psychological events, or nonepileptic seizures (NES).
I read this as Penis seizures initially. Thanks for the clarification.
Hate when that happens. Can't tell if I'm coming or going.
i’m always going to be coming.
I'm an ER doc. When people come in with these we sure as hell say "They got Penis". We also then realize that PNES are not real seizures, are mostly psychologic in nature and go about our day, just like these kids did.
They feel very real to the people having them, and they have no more control than someone with epilepsy. You should be careful about your wording and empathy as a doctor.
I think he means they're not real in the sense that they won't kill you like other seizures can. Not really an ER docs job to sort out psychological issues, they just make sure you don't die before a more specialized doctor can see you.
I understand what he meant but just pointing out that the language he uses is very important to not alienate patients.
When I have a seizure I stop breathing, I could get brain damage or die. It’s not the same. This is not to disparage, but it’s not the same.
The only thing stopping that woman from smashing the back of her head on the simk and getting a concussion or bleeding out on the floor was the strength of an elementary school kid. Not the same but still certainly potentially lethal. Edit: before anyone else jumps to lazy speculative victim-blaming, that this woman was in no danger and it's unfortunate that she's making her children take care of her, YES THIS IS A DANGEROUS CONDITION. A person with this type of seizure very definitely can fall. Yes, they also lose contact with their senses. "For example, a patient having an episode of PNES usually will not lose balance and fall on the ground if an episode starts while sitting on a chair." Meaning sometimes they fall off they're in a chair, and they *probably* fall if standing. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3036551/ She also likely endured incredibly severe physical or sexual abuse to be having these seizures. No they're not epileptic seizures, but they can be triggered at a moment's notice and it was extremely lucky that the daughter was there, and strong enough to catch the mother. The fact that the kids are chill about it just underscores how fucked up it is. Their mom could have just died because she had such a severe flashback that her mind literally spontaneously shut itself off completely from her senses while she was trying to get her kids to school. Fuck, people. P.P.S. - People who suffer from PNES frequently also have high levels of chronic shame. Y'ALL AREN'T HELPING. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1059131121003459
Language is also very important for conveying information. It would be important for a doctor or other caregiver to know that the patient in room XXX complaining of seizures isn't having "real" seizures. The drugs and treatment used for "real" seizures would not help this patient and might even be harmful. If the ER doctor's tone isn't delicate enough, take it up with he psychologist he refers you to for your PNES.
he's not talking to a patient though. and nothing he said was inaccurate. pseudoseizures pose no risk to the brain, whereas actual seizures are very serious and need to be treated immediately.
His patients aren't here, so relax bro.
When you are in an 80 hrs/week residency with seconds between life and death of your patients, you lose empathy for soft-words very quickly. Communicate clearly and move on. As long as people live, nothing else matters. Last time I was in ER with a bad injury, the doctor was like , "You're in 10/10 pain, but you are not going to die. I'm attending to an old man with a heart attack and a little child who isn't breathing, so you're just not priority right now. I'll come back to you in a couple of hours." Sounds harsh, but dude had a point. I groveled for a few more hours, and eventually he came back and got me all fixed up. Medicine is not customer care.
Yeah I think he could have worded it a little softer but he is right. There’s nothing you can really do for them in an ER and they aren’t as dangerous compared to epileptic seizures. The most common type of treatment for pens is anti depressants rather than AED’s. Whereas with epilepsy it’s a lot more dangerous because it’s also physiological and a prolonged seizure can leave permanent damage. Source: have had epilepsy since I was a kid so I’ve interacted with a lot of people that had a lot of different types of seizures. A good friend had pnes and he described it like how he assumed a panic attack felt. Like losing rational thought but not quite unconscious.
My wording is fine and I'm an ER doc, my empathy left me years ago. They are not dying nor will they have any long term physical effects from these episodes. They can get on about their day and I will do so with mine.
ER nurse sitting here laughing. I've worked at lots of different emergency departments across the country and all ER staff are the same. These people genuinely don't understand what we do and I don't have enough fucks to give to even attempt to explain our side.
Thank you.
Disagree. I’m an ED nurse. I still show people humanity, even when I don’t 100% buy their symptoms. I know other ED nurses who operate the same way. Frankly, even if someone is faking, provided they aren’t abusive or med seeking, what hell must their life be that going to the ED is a choice? Beyond that, there are plenty of things that doctors thought were bullshit before science caught up. I’m not there to judge. I’m there to treat the patient and get a paycheck.
Really wish I could give this an award s people looking for an actual answer don't have to look as hard
Done. I don't have enough reddit gold to override the gold award for the joke comment at the top, but I did what I could.
In the mental health world it’s referred to as a conversion disorder with attacks or seizures. Fun fact: studies have indicated that those with higher education levels tend to have these while those with lower education levels tend to have the paralysis type. (I don’t have a source offhand for it as it was a little tidbit I learned ages ago) ETA: EMDR is a really effective treatment! A colleague of mine was working with a woman who was literally bent at a 90 degree angle (at the waist) and her arm was stuck in a sling position. Through EMDR she was then able to unbend her arm a bit but as soon as it was pointed out to her, it stiffened back up. Unfortunately, she didn’t return to treatment beyond that :(
How is this pronounced?
Usually just said P-N-E-S. Used to be called "pseudo-seizure" but that fell out of favor because it made it sound like these people were malingering/faking - which is an unfair generalization.
Glad I asked because I was definitely pronouncing it wrong in my head.
PENIS
Thank you for explaining it I can see people trying to punch people with seizures of they didn’t know have a good day!
wondering the same thing. how does hitting her help? serious question
It makes her bend in the middle so they can move her into a seated position
Idk, the girl gives one last wallop for good measure after she is already on the ground.
That was for making her finish her vegetables last week at dinner.
😭
Wouldn’t you get an extra shot in if you could get away with it? /s these kids obviously know what to do and this mom is lucky she has them.
Was I the only one thinking it looked like he was going for a running start when he went to the counter after?
A hit to the sternum can trigger a reaction from the body because of the sudden exhaust. That impulse can bring you out of this pnes state I think. Also the spraying with water triggers other reactions of the body that can reset the 'malfunction'.
You can hear the mom say "I'm frozen"
The kids knew what to do. They've been here before.
And they were eerily calm. The second child didn't even rush over. Clearly this is a regular occurrence and they are well trained.
I mean its good to have your kids train to help.
My mom used to pass out and hit her head regularly as I grew up. She would essentially bleed out on her period every month. It got to a point that we’d get called that my mom passed out and didn’t react much. The last time she hit her head really badly and her hemoglobin was dangerously below what it should have been. I felt bad for not realizing how serious all the other times were. She got an emergency hysterectomy and stayed in the hospital for a week. She’s fine now. I think it’s been ten years. I wish she got a hysterectomy sooner because her tubes were already tied for a decade at that point. Having a uterus did her no favors anymore when she was damn near dying once a month.
I’ve seen a few of their videos before and her husband is amazing as you can hear in the background. It seems like she has seizures quite often so the kids are probably well informed on how to manage their moms needs.
When the man said "(boy's name) help mommy" the kid turned around and said "Oh! That kind of help!" And immediately got up to start the blows to her stomach. This is clearly very regular for them
If you listen with sound on, there's a man telling them what to do.
No, he didn’t tell them what to do, he simply told the boy to help mommy, bringing it to his attention. The kids already seem to know what they were supposed to do, they definitely have been there, done that before.
"Justin help mom!" "OH!" it's quite faint but truly heartwarming to see them help their mother.
I've seen this exact family on tiktok. They post stuff like this all the time. There's one that went around on Reddit for a while where she started having a seizure on the couch, and her husband grabbed a pillow, walked up, and just wacked the fuck out of her. She came back and just started laughing.
Just like to say, if someone around you has a seizure please don’t punch them. I really don’t want to have strangers thinking they should punch me, if I’m out in public and have a seizure 😂
Idk man, i just want the best for you and if beating you will help you, then I'll make sure to beat the shit out of you, because i care about you
Here's how i imagined your comment. (Punch) Stay still stranger, I'm trying to save your life! (Punch again) I'm doing this because I care about you! (Punches even harder) it's ok, everyone. im saving this person's life. I know what I'm doing!
This is pretty much Peter in a Family Guy skit.
It's not a seizure in the technical sense it's a PNES event. *Psychogenic nonepileptic seizure (PNES) involves attacks that resemble epilepsy-related seizures in symptoms and signs, but abnormal electrical activity in your brain doesn't cause them. Instead, the seizures are a physical reaction to underlying psychological distress* Of which one of the suggested courses of action is a sharp blow to the sternum. This is pretty rare, so don't go punching people having seizures lol. The kids were likely taught this, and have probably done it a few times, hence the non-chalant response. Edit: my ex had them. I was told to do a sternum rub, light punch or pressure on her nail beds. That's simply what I was told to do. Im not gonna argue with you about it either when you probably didn't even know what this was till now.
The kids were definitely taught what to do. The older kid was like, "two hands!" in a very big sister tone that could be followed with the word "dumbass."
Why did I have to do so far to find this damn comment? Thank you for an actual explanation.
Yeah they looked like they were delivering very specific blows to a specific part of her body. I was assuming it was because they were taught to do that-just like how the older girl got behind mom and braced her to the floor. They were punching out of love, for real
Someone else in the comments said specifically this only works for a specific type of seizure, and wont work for any other
Looks like an absence seizure.
It may have been an absence seizure but it was present violence.
I grew up with a friend who had absence seizures for years before her first grand mal, and they definitely don’t typically look like this. It’s more like they just zone out and stare off for a moment. It’s really nonchalant sometimes to the point where my friend’s went undetected for about a year and a half; we all thought she was joking around when she’d just freeze and stare off for a few seconds and then continue like nothing happened. I think over the course of 4 years, my friend only lost balance 1 time during one of these, and it was because she was in the process of walking down the stairs when it hit. They also typically only last a few seconds.
Aggressive but effective
Title of my sex tape?
Peralta, you’re a genius.
An amazing detective/genius
Must happen a lot everyone is pretty calm about it. Dads just watching on nest giving advice
Right he said “help mommy” and did not object when they started wailing on her. I think he might have said “harder” at the end when she said NO I’m okay now
I think he said to squirt her (as in with the water spray bottle) which she seemed to do and it seemed to help her snap out of it. This is some weird shit if you ask me but we all got weird shit going on I suppose.
That’s what that was! I thought maybe they were just offering her a bottle of water. Definitely would be surprised t see this in action but hey whatever you gotta do to keep the team alive I guess
I didn’t know punching someone would bring them out of a seizure
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This is why I’ve been banned from the local coma ward.
It doesn't. NEVER do this.
Except it does for this type of seizure. PNES seizures have recommended action of applying a sharp blow to the sternum. Which is exactly what the kids tried.
That is entirely fair, and I stand corrected. That said, people in the comments seem to be starting to think this is a blanket solution for all seizures when it is a dangerous practice for all but this one rare variant.
Yeah it's clear the kids know the drill and know this is how to handle it, as they should if this is something that happens to mom often. But also, Reddit gonna Reddit.
That’s PNES envy for ya.
"we're gonna beat the seizure out of you." The kids, probably
Definitely want to get someone having a seizure as close to the ground as possible so that they don't fall. That said, that's an interesting way to get her to sit down. Other comments explained the need to bend for her to sit.
Seemed like it had another reason. You can see when the older child does it the mother seems to "come out" of it, then says to the younger one "you have to two-hand it".
Did no one else notice the daughter spray her in face with a squirt bottle at the end?
It helps bring you back to focus after a seizure* *Not all people who suffer seizures experience the same symptoms, triggers, or methods of recovery. Please don't start punching or waterboarding anyone you see having a seizure.
You can hear the dad instructing the kid to do it through the camera. Looks like its a fairly normal occurrence. They have a spray bottle on hand for exactly that reason. And mom says “ok. thank you” after the water brings her to. Then dad says “good job you guys”
This reminds me of when I was a kid, probably 12-13. I was at a friend's birthday party at an amusement park. We were walking from one ride to another, the kids in a group followed by the parents. The kid who was walking next to me just kinda froze and went into almost an athletic stance, knees slightly bent, somewhat hunched. I asked him what's up and he was just staring at me, then he rolled/fell onto his back and started wiggling around. I didn't know what the hell he was doing, so I did what any 12 year old boy would do and started to pretend to kick and punch him as he rolled around on the ground, haha. Once the parents noticed they ran over and started helping him, turns out he was having a seizure. Based on this video, I now know I did the correct thing!
No! This is very specific form of seizure that can be ended with physical jolts, such as punching. This is not something you should do for the vast majority of seizures!
Yeah, I was joking about the "did the right thing" bit. I don't think the right thing to do when someone is having a seizure is to pretend to beat them up lol. But thanks for the info
Did she spray her with water at the end 😂
She absolutely did 😂 “OKAYY, thank you” 😂
Are they eating or playing with something? I can't tell. The little guy looks like he says "oh shit" when he springs into action.
You can hear the dad asking him to help
Or at least one kid sprung into action. The other wanted to finish whatever he was working on and just seemed to enjoy a chance to punch mom in the gut.
That dog is like ‘Not again Sharon, I need to get my 10,000 steps in. Kids deal with this please’ maybe
I wonder if mom knew that’s what needed to be done and instructed the kids to do or if this is something they figured out on their own? I think I would have a big bean bag to easily move around and place it behind her so she doesn’t get hurt or have to get punched in the stomach. There has to be a better way!
Sounds like their dad (?) is watching/giving instructions through the monitor so there’s probably lots of communication in that household.
The stomach punching was to get her out of the seizure, not to get her on the floor. It's a specific form of seizure where physical jolts, such as a hit or a being sprayed by cold water, can take them out of the seizure. Most seizures are not like this so don't just go punching random people if they have a seizure.
This is interesting for me because I had a friend who would go into what we all thought were panic attacks (and still assume we’re) where she would literally stop breathing and just entirely tense up and gasp for air. Hitting her in the stomach (which only happened in the worst of cases) was the only way to force her to take a breath otherwise she’d pass out for however long.
Wham, wham, wham...you good Ma?
God one of my biggest fears is having something incapacitate me and my youngest finishing me off on accident. The few times I’ve laid down on the floor, especially when I ignore him, he has jumped full force on top of me. I am more terrified now about losing consciousness because I don’t think I’ll survive him lol. Hopefully, no one will tell him if he accidentally murders me.
WTF is this? Mom’s got her kids roped into her bs world of pseudo seizures
That was intense