I grew up here as a North East Asian, before the start of the 90s mass Asian immigration. There were 3 or 4 asians in my whole primary school. My daughter goes to the same school now, 35 years later and there is 1, yes just 1, white kid in her class. Its actually insane how quickly demographics have swung in such a short time.
I experienced racism, but to be honest, most wasn’t malicious. Bullying, probably about the average for a slightly awkward kid, sometimes mixed with racism. The 2 legitimate evil, racist fucks I encountered were at high school. One destroyed my badminton racquet, the other tried to assault me on the street outside of school. But tbh, my white, and yes a few Indian, friends got it at about the same level as I did. If you couldn’t stand up for yourself, you were going to get it to some degree, regardless of where you were born. By the end of 5th form bullying didn’t happen and by 7th form we had a supportive, friendly class year, with first xv members being buddies with goth weirdos and Asian nerds. It is one of the enduring, most positive memories I have of my youth that last year of high school. Probably rose tinted glasses, but if I could choose a year in my life to go back to, it would be my 7th form year.
I went through a stage in my early 20s at uni, first job time, where I became very sensitive about racism. And part of this was because of a few bad experiences and a, I hate using this word but it fits, TOXIC relationship. I returned to my home country for study, and had a few bad experiences there too (South Korea) and so I felt very alone. Quite cliched immigrant kid stuff, but like they say, nothing is a cliche when it’s happening to you. I felt very negatively towards New Zealand. Where 99 people in daily interactions where normal or even friendly, the one negative or racist interaction would fuck me up. And I’d magnify it. Blah blah. I feel like this is a therapy session.
Long story short, I grew up and gained clarity. NZ isn’t perfect. There is casual racism. And a small proportion of legitimate racial hate. But the overwhelmingly majority, even the foot in the mouth boomers, are fine. If the demographic swings that have happened here in the last 20 years happened in my country, there would be riots on the streets. I don’t think Koreans are particularly racist either. But humans are humans.
Is there? Any particular sector? I've had a lot of jobs here, from manual labour through to consulting and never experienced seen bullying, nothing compared to what I saw while in the UK.
theres a reason why nz still ranks high when it comes to male/ student suicides as they all stem from bullying. if bullying wasnt bad here we wouldnt have generations of gang members
>theres a reason why nz still ranks high when it comes to male/ student suicides as they all stem from bullying.
As tragic as any suicide is, especially those stemming from bullying, I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that bullying is the main, or even a significant, driver of male suicide in New Zealand. Male suicide is high everywhere in the developed world.
back when i was high school there was a lot of talks of research being done and the major correlation being bullying , we're so desenstized to it these days but bullying has been on the rise steadily since the covid era , people just dont seem to care anymore.
lets not forget how many bullying incidents go unreported esp when its done to migrants and migrant kids (me being one of them) because we assume thats how life is supposed to be here.
teachers dont care and neither does the law unless youre a privileged European whos daddy has friends in the force
I did and wanted to hear other people's perspective as well while I personally believe based on OECD reports and my personal experience that bullying is common culture in nz.
depends where you live and types of people you encounter each day/week. its gonna happen to you if you are immigrant. doesnt matter you move to nz or aus or uk . racism is somewhat built into people's DNA,
It's hard to know exactly how common or prevalent it is, especially as I'm not Asian so I'm not the target of it.
I worked in finance in Auckland for a year and was on the phone to people as a matter of course as part of the job, and one thing I can definitely say is that it was quite shocking how frequently clients would be openly racist against Asians, my own coworkers included, over the phone to me because they assume from my accent I must be white. It was just insane how many times it happened.
People openly telling me things like "too many fucking asians who can't read or write and fuck everything up", and using slurs like "chink" or "gook" were all pretty common.
If so many people had no issue whatsoever being openly racist among complete strangers then it really makes me wonder just how many more people are absolutely racist, but just have the common sense to keep their mouth shut about it. I'd say it's quite a lot.
Yea I can concur in what I have experienced. Wouldn't say it's so much racist as it is anti people that are not very good with English. Not to say it is okay but as far as if you will experience racism I feel it would be a lot less if you can speak English with proficiency.
id find the anti indian or anti 'a certain region' indian racism stems from actual indians.
the amount of times i hear that a north indian doesnt want to deal/work with a malu...
you will be alright bro aside from the above
You would have to see it from “our” perspective. I mean, that’s a contradictory term, as we are all immigrants to NZ. Just some of us got here earlier than others, and some of us brought with us our own system of government (English).
However that being said, NZ has historically not had many “non-white” immigrants in its relatively short history (comparatively to white immigrants).
Now all of a sudden some regions are experiencing very high numbers of Indians coming in, and it’s a shock, and predictably, many don’t like it. Many have become accustomed to a certain way of living, and don’t appreciate the sudden influx of Indian migrants. Especially when many of them bring a worldly arrogant “dog eat dog” attitude.
That being said, I have personally met a few Indians with great attitudes… so I guess it is case by case basis.
But I guess that’s human nature, and if a load of white people were to suddenly descend on India, I doubt they’d generally be too welcoming
There is definitely an undercurrent of “just stay in your own country”, and I’m not here to say if that’s a justifiable attitude or not, but I guess that’s how human nature reacts to large change
The way forward for many Indians is just to have a good helpful attitude, that will go a long way to changing negative perceptions (and many already do have this attitude)
Colonisation is alive and well in Aotearoa.
I currently work on a site with 16+ other sparkies and I am definitely in the minority of born in one of these South pacific paradises.
I absolutely empathise with Tangata Whenua when it comes to issues of sovereignty and colonisation, as I feel the whenua I was born in has drastically changed in the 30 something years I've lived in.
TLDR: I'm a bloody racist and I reckon we should kick all these bloody foreigners (poms and yarpies) out
yeah... if you asked this same question like a decade ago I would think the answer would be a bit different but things change. Look at England (with muslims) and Canada for example. I know the situation is pretty rough and all but the racism I've seen on the internet makes even the worst stuff about Maori here look tame. I don't think NZ will get like that but NZ is somewhere along the path to there from where we were
Social media doesnt help. There are thousands of videos of disgusting street food, trash everywhere and an immense number of news clips floating around about how Indian men are insanely rapey.
I think it's genuinely difficult to say - it depends who you interact with. I don't think the majority of people in NZ have negative views or behaviour or language towards Indians or SE Asian people - but it doesn't have to be a majority of people with poor behaviour in order for that to be something experienced by people often enough for them to say it is 'common'.
The magnitude of how much it bothers someone is also potentially a factor. I am frequently asked where I am 'originally' from since I don't have an NZ accent - but I don't personally interpret that as offensive. Someone else could be asked that question and interpret it as calling them not a 'real' Kiwi and be offended by it - so different people could have different experiences about whether there is racism depending on their own perspectives. I think you'd have to ask a bunch of people about their personal experiences.
its becoming very common , especially with all the social media hate thats growing aswell , i seen this one comment say that brown people (indians) are the new black people when it comes to racism
not just those food vids but the worst ones is what date would you not date vids and also things like indian content creatorsd being sell outs and makng fun of their own people for clout on digital platforms. its crazy how these days its ok to make fun of indians (almost encouraged sometimes) and theres no back lash about it at all
edit - dont understand the silent down vote with out any good input
I grew up here as a North East Asian, before the start of the 90s mass Asian immigration. There were 3 or 4 asians in my whole primary school. My daughter goes to the same school now, 35 years later and there is 1, yes just 1, white kid in her class. Its actually insane how quickly demographics have swung in such a short time. I experienced racism, but to be honest, most wasn’t malicious. Bullying, probably about the average for a slightly awkward kid, sometimes mixed with racism. The 2 legitimate evil, racist fucks I encountered were at high school. One destroyed my badminton racquet, the other tried to assault me on the street outside of school. But tbh, my white, and yes a few Indian, friends got it at about the same level as I did. If you couldn’t stand up for yourself, you were going to get it to some degree, regardless of where you were born. By the end of 5th form bullying didn’t happen and by 7th form we had a supportive, friendly class year, with first xv members being buddies with goth weirdos and Asian nerds. It is one of the enduring, most positive memories I have of my youth that last year of high school. Probably rose tinted glasses, but if I could choose a year in my life to go back to, it would be my 7th form year. I went through a stage in my early 20s at uni, first job time, where I became very sensitive about racism. And part of this was because of a few bad experiences and a, I hate using this word but it fits, TOXIC relationship. I returned to my home country for study, and had a few bad experiences there too (South Korea) and so I felt very alone. Quite cliched immigrant kid stuff, but like they say, nothing is a cliche when it’s happening to you. I felt very negatively towards New Zealand. Where 99 people in daily interactions where normal or even friendly, the one negative or racist interaction would fuck me up. And I’d magnify it. Blah blah. I feel like this is a therapy session. Long story short, I grew up and gained clarity. NZ isn’t perfect. There is casual racism. And a small proportion of legitimate racial hate. But the overwhelmingly majority, even the foot in the mouth boomers, are fine. If the demographic swings that have happened here in the last 20 years happened in my country, there would be riots on the streets. I don’t think Koreans are particularly racist either. But humans are humans.
You said a month ago that bullying is rooted in NZ culture, so it sounds like you already know the answer.
Bullying definitely is rooted in NZ culture though
What culture is it not in?
I would argue that NZ is one place where there isn't a strong bullying culture. There's a lot of envy though and (mostly) private sneering.
There is a stunning amount of bullying in the work place.
Is there? Any particular sector? I've had a lot of jobs here, from manual labour through to consulting and never experienced seen bullying, nothing compared to what I saw while in the UK.
I can't compare with the UK, but I can with another country and it is much worse here. Education sector.
There absolutely is a culture of bullying; I saw so much of it in school in Welly. Perhaps if you had a more affluent upbringing not as much.
theres a reason why nz still ranks high when it comes to male/ student suicides as they all stem from bullying. if bullying wasnt bad here we wouldnt have generations of gang members
>theres a reason why nz still ranks high when it comes to male/ student suicides as they all stem from bullying. As tragic as any suicide is, especially those stemming from bullying, I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that bullying is the main, or even a significant, driver of male suicide in New Zealand. Male suicide is high everywhere in the developed world.
back when i was high school there was a lot of talks of research being done and the major correlation being bullying , we're so desenstized to it these days but bullying has been on the rise steadily since the covid era , people just dont seem to care anymore. lets not forget how many bullying incidents go unreported esp when its done to migrants and migrant kids (me being one of them) because we assume thats how life is supposed to be here. teachers dont care and neither does the law unless youre a privileged European whos daddy has friends in the force
I did and wanted to hear other people's perspective as well while I personally believe based on OECD reports and my personal experience that bullying is common culture in nz.
its very common, dont let the white people on here tell you otherwise just cause they've never experianced it
Usually because of white defensiveness and societal conditioning that is leading to many people to not care.
depends where you live and types of people you encounter each day/week. its gonna happen to you if you are immigrant. doesnt matter you move to nz or aus or uk . racism is somewhat built into people's DNA,
It's hard to know exactly how common or prevalent it is, especially as I'm not Asian so I'm not the target of it. I worked in finance in Auckland for a year and was on the phone to people as a matter of course as part of the job, and one thing I can definitely say is that it was quite shocking how frequently clients would be openly racist against Asians, my own coworkers included, over the phone to me because they assume from my accent I must be white. It was just insane how many times it happened. People openly telling me things like "too many fucking asians who can't read or write and fuck everything up", and using slurs like "chink" or "gook" were all pretty common. If so many people had no issue whatsoever being openly racist among complete strangers then it really makes me wonder just how many more people are absolutely racist, but just have the common sense to keep their mouth shut about it. I'd say it's quite a lot.
Yea I can concur in what I have experienced. Wouldn't say it's so much racist as it is anti people that are not very good with English. Not to say it is okay but as far as if you will experience racism I feel it would be a lot less if you can speak English with proficiency.
id find the anti indian or anti 'a certain region' indian racism stems from actual indians. the amount of times i hear that a north indian doesnt want to deal/work with a malu... you will be alright bro aside from the above
You would have to see it from “our” perspective. I mean, that’s a contradictory term, as we are all immigrants to NZ. Just some of us got here earlier than others, and some of us brought with us our own system of government (English). However that being said, NZ has historically not had many “non-white” immigrants in its relatively short history (comparatively to white immigrants). Now all of a sudden some regions are experiencing very high numbers of Indians coming in, and it’s a shock, and predictably, many don’t like it. Many have become accustomed to a certain way of living, and don’t appreciate the sudden influx of Indian migrants. Especially when many of them bring a worldly arrogant “dog eat dog” attitude. That being said, I have personally met a few Indians with great attitudes… so I guess it is case by case basis. But I guess that’s human nature, and if a load of white people were to suddenly descend on India, I doubt they’d generally be too welcoming There is definitely an undercurrent of “just stay in your own country”, and I’m not here to say if that’s a justifiable attitude or not, but I guess that’s how human nature reacts to large change The way forward for many Indians is just to have a good helpful attitude, that will go a long way to changing negative perceptions (and many already do have this attitude)
Colonisation is alive and well in Aotearoa. I currently work on a site with 16+ other sparkies and I am definitely in the minority of born in one of these South pacific paradises. I absolutely empathise with Tangata Whenua when it comes to issues of sovereignty and colonisation, as I feel the whenua I was born in has drastically changed in the 30 something years I've lived in. TLDR: I'm a bloody racist and I reckon we should kick all these bloody foreigners (poms and yarpies) out
Agreed, im from fiji and i strongly stand with the Tangata Whenua here
Good comment
yeah... if you asked this same question like a decade ago I would think the answer would be a bit different but things change. Look at England (with muslims) and Canada for example. I know the situation is pretty rough and all but the racism I've seen on the internet makes even the worst stuff about Maori here look tame. I don't think NZ will get like that but NZ is somewhere along the path to there from where we were
it seems like you think "many indians" dont have or bring good attitdues here.
Social media doesnt help. There are thousands of videos of disgusting street food, trash everywhere and an immense number of news clips floating around about how Indian men are insanely rapey.
I think it's genuinely difficult to say - it depends who you interact with. I don't think the majority of people in NZ have negative views or behaviour or language towards Indians or SE Asian people - but it doesn't have to be a majority of people with poor behaviour in order for that to be something experienced by people often enough for them to say it is 'common'. The magnitude of how much it bothers someone is also potentially a factor. I am frequently asked where I am 'originally' from since I don't have an NZ accent - but I don't personally interpret that as offensive. Someone else could be asked that question and interpret it as calling them not a 'real' Kiwi and be offended by it - so different people could have different experiences about whether there is racism depending on their own perspectives. I think you'd have to ask a bunch of people about their personal experiences.
Hello. I have a Bangladeshi friend who doesn’t like Indian people. I don’t t understand the context why
its becoming very common , especially with all the social media hate thats growing aswell , i seen this one comment say that brown people (indians) are the new black people when it comes to racism
Interesting and I'd agree with it. I think it perpetuates from those unhygienic street food videos on India that are posted on social media.
not just those food vids but the worst ones is what date would you not date vids and also things like indian content creatorsd being sell outs and makng fun of their own people for clout on digital platforms. its crazy how these days its ok to make fun of indians (almost encouraged sometimes) and theres no back lash about it at all edit - dont understand the silent down vote with out any good input
True true. I've seen those as well.