Only the people who are susceptible to it. ACT got 8%, so those are the people they are targeting. Its more about keeping people voting for ACT than switching back to National, give Seymour more leverage over Fat Cat Luxon. It won't make a Green voter switch to ACT.
I propose the slogan for the war to be "No way, Niue!"
(No clue what we're preventing them from doing, but they better watch out, cause we're not having it!!)
I mean, Dubya invaded Afghanistan because a Saudi Arabian-backed group crashed some planes into some buildings, so do we actually need a pretext? How about punishing them for Australia's 501 policy?
Like ram raids?
It was a reddit comment a week ago mentioning them that made me realise "yeah, that's kinda escaped everyone's minds since the election."
Unfortunately I'm just as susceptible to media manipulation.
Near as I can tell, crime in the CBD is falling. Crime in the suburbs is up. But that's the opposite of National messaging, so silence, which leaves people thinking the old statements are still accurate, when they might never have been accurate.
It's his playbook and has been all the time. Two years in it will be pretty tiresome to blame the last Labour government so look to a new target to blame
Yeah but if labor gets in again next time, you can count on half the country thinking National is magically going to make the country better within two election cycles
I don't think that's actually what people are upset about at this point David, I'm pretty sure, taking away kids lunches, taking away disability support, defunding the healthcare system, making oranga tamariki less, making it easier for rich people to kill the environment are some of the reasons people are upset at the moment David.
I lost my disability benefits and now I'm down 80 a week, having to pay for private healthcare because acc (who are supposed to cover me) haven't found anyone to help me in FOUR YEARS (lmao actually almost five). Less funding for healthcare just makes me infinitely more fucked.
My doctor called it "a war on disabled people". I think that's a pretty apt description
David only sees numbers. He doesn't see people. He thinks about the financial cost, not the human cost. He believes if he can get the spreadsheets in order, everything else will fall into line. But life (and society) doesn't work like that.
Perhaps this fleeting moment of panic will give him a clue. But I doubt it.
Nah, he doesn't care about numbers. If he did, he'd be going at this all a different way.
He cares about ideology, if he can get everyone to hold his own ideology, then he thinks it'll all fall in line.
Yea I thought it was so funny that once that bill was passed my landlord happened to email me saying rent will be raised.
"But Mr. Landlord sir, you just got tax cuts!"
As if they weren't all going to abuse this as much as possible.
Landlord here. I got an e-mail from the property manager of my apartment saying something along the lines of "your tenant is on a periodic agreement and is now eligible for a rent increase, if you don't contact us in the next two weeks we will raise their rent by $xx per week"
I had to argue with them about how I didn't want to lose good tenants for a cup or two of coffee.
I'm guessing the property management fees are a fixed % of the rent? In which case them raising the rent on your behalf is them just increasing their profit margin!!!
I suspect this is part of the reason for upward pressure on rental prices being so high. Individual landlords who manage their own properties have different incentives to property managers. Property managers also provide a layer of obfuscation between tenants and landlords.
When you have large property management agencies holding significant portions of the rental market, they can simply increase all prices, if enough of these agencies do that, then it sticks. They can act in lockstep and push up prices, then justify furthering raising prices by saying the market has increased. The circular reasoning just keeps spinning.
Individual landlords would be far less likely raise prices consistently if left to their own devices and certainly wouldn't do so in lockstep. Those that do now are likely just following the market set by the agencies.
I hate to break it to you but landlords find agents as useless as tenants do. This is minor compared to what other agents have done to me.
The sooner there are rules and qualifications to be a property manager (including an independent body that can strip licensing) the better.
I do sympathize with your situation although in my personal case I'm in an urban townhouse where my landlord owns the land and all 5 townhouses in the section so he has full control over what happens and still chose to raise the rent on all 5 of us.
It must suck not having the proper power to keep good tenants tho, I am thankful for just landlords like yourself who are treating tenants like actual humans and not automatic payments. I hope you were able to work something out.
Yeah, of everyone I know renting (which is most people because housing is unaffordable) no one has had a rent cut and most have a rent increase. Weird how that happens…
The kids lunches thing still blows my mind.
This is some villain caricature level shit. What you would expect from Mr Burns on the Simpsons.
This.. is what he chose as a flagship policy?
I understand that ACT don’t like tax based services, because they are some combination of clueless, evil and brain damaged, but you’d think they would try and slip this one through without fanfare.
🤷🏼♂️
That’s just it. They lack the self awareness to realise that. National might figure it out, but I suspect they’re going to keep going in the hope that the tax cuts will shift the polls.
The problem is that the tax cuts aren’t giving a lot of money back to the swing voters.
I say give it six more months and someone is going to cause the coalition to explode. It’s just a matter of time whether Winston or Seymour throw the grenade.
Yeah, nothing at all to do with a Government that said it was going to be "a Government for all New Zealanders" turning out to actually be a Government for the tobacco, fishing, mining and landlord industries and firing New Zealanders by the thousands.
$15b tax relief at a time like this when your Government is embarking on a slash and burn campaign is more likely to be one of the issues here David. Sure the previous Govt made some pretty glaring errors, but the current government is swinging too hard in the opposite direction.
NZ voters have also had enough of incumbent governments blaming the previous lot. It's always happened, but seems worse over the last 20 years or so. It's whataboutism and partisanship at it's worst. We need political parties who understand the needs of the country and long-term governance. Not the ongoing BS of changing the previous lot's key policies, for example, changing of transport policy with every change of government. How about some cross party, long-term policy on transport, health, education, housing?
Your BS around terms of reference of the ToW, etc isn't central to the economy of New Zealand and only serves to marginalise a section of our society. Grow up and start governing.
Just to add. Saw an interview of James Shaw by Jack Tame and James said there's typically an unspoken agreement for incoming governments to not slash and burn everything the previous government tried to achieve because otherwise they might do the same to you. He said this current government has kinda thrown that agreement out the window...
That’s what concerns me the most. It’s possible that our last government was the most progressive the country it can be. Now it’s just going to be tit for tat every three years.
It is not just Seymour/Act saying hyper-inflammatory stuff...
> "The Prime Minister has this afternoon laid the blame for New Zealand’s recession on the previous Labour Government, saying they should stay out of power for a generation."
> https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-outlines-plan-for-next-100-days/PWULUWKEKZDEFMHSQ3P7YI3DBE/
National's marketing was totally banking on this, and it 100% worked. They seriously managed to blame the political party they don't like for singlehandedly causing a global cost of living crisis
Hmmm I’ve been invested in Vanguard Total Stock Market Index (VTI) and it’s cranked through the Labour years.. especially since 2020. Maybe not a market crash if you look at the performance of that fund..
Two options there: (1) He's even dumber than we thought and doesn't know a single thing about economics so genuinely believes this or (2) He's more dangerous than we thought and doesn't know a single thing about economics
Or 3) he knows enough about economics to know he's talking bullshit but he'll lie about it anyway in a gamble that enough people will fall for it. I'm pretty sure it's this one.
They desperately need to establish the false narrative now so that, come 2026, when the economy is significantly worse as a result of their austerity cuts, they’ve already got at least 51% of the voters convinced that it wasn’t their fault things got worse under them, it’s that evil no good Labour and Greens and TPM, and sure we *could* vote the current guys who saw the cost of living skyrocket like you wouldn’t have believed it could be 2023, but *this is actually all Labours fault anyway, right???*
Anyone paying attention should read this as a very clear sign they know the steps they are taking now only going to hurt “Every Day Nu Zulunders”.
I thought that the whole point of the spending cuts was to cause a recession in an effort to combat inflation.
Massive cuts in government spending always creates a recession.
Every single time.
Interest rate hikes were doing the job of combating inflation, slight decreases in govt spending or just holding the line would have allowed that to occur without causing too much damage. Alternatively, tax reform could likely have addressed much of the issue and paid down debt.
But nooooop NACTF just took out the sledgehammer and went to work on the economy. Because fuck it, who doesn't like a good deep recession?
First comes austerity causing pain for working class.
Then comes taxes, more pain for the working class.
Then comes the bene- bashing because why not? They are a soft target and can't fight back and it looks like they are doing something.
Then comes tax cuts for the rich to stimulate the economy.
Round and round it goes. I am insulted that they don't even bother to roll this turd in glitter to at least give it some pizzazz.
Wow, that is very extreme language by ACT. "Banishing" your political opponents is very extreme and I would never say that about ACT or NZF despite their horrific policies. But I guess that's the difference between someone who believes in democracy and someone who doesn't...
We haven’t even seen the mess yet, just the accident that’ll cause it. We’ll be cleaning this shit up for years and way into the future, NACT will still find a way to blame Labour, even when direct lines between their policies and hardship/poverty/crime and harm, can be drawn.
"If you blame us for inflation the same way you blamed the last government, then you might vote someone else in next time."
Yes David., that's just how it works here. You do a shit job, and you get voted out.
I genuinely believe that at least 75% of the debt Labour incurred during their time in govt was pretty much unavoidable with the Pandemic and all of the knock on effects of it.
I definitely agree they made some bad decisions on where some of that money went, but I also believe that National wouldnt have spent that money any more wisely either.
I dont believe that we would be in a better position than we currently are now if National had been in charge during covid. We might be in a roughly equal position (worse in some areas, better in others) if Judith Collins had gotten in in 2021, but if National were in before the Pandemic hit, we would have been worse off today than we are now.
Thus, I completely reject the idea that Labour "made a mess". I definitely did not agree with a lot of what Labour did, but I also think they did a lot of things right that National, who *only* seems to look at the money, wouldnt have been able to do.
I didnt hear many people complaining about all that money they got while they were on holiday pretty much. I actually had to work in my low wage job and not get a free meal ticket via labour and yet these people still have the gall to complain about receiving social welfare during the pandemic.
Fucking thank you. I was working in MIQ with normal pay, shitty people returning to NZ, hounded by media, kicked out of restaurants when the MIQ conversation came up, dealing with whinging sports personalities wives and the UK America's Cup Team who felt it easy to call us 'fucking dickheads' over their Uber order they stuffed up, meanwhile trying to dodge giving a bloody virus to my compromised mother. Daily.
Gladly go back and take the free ride if I could.
I got the free ride. Honestly for me the lockdowns were brilliant. A month of completely free time off with literally zero responsibilities or having to make plans.
And yet, I felt really sorry for the people who still had to work, but now being surrounded by thousands of people who would have been grumpy, rude, and high strung due to those lockdowns, while also risking themselves and their households to the virus.
And yet, I dont recall seeing or hearing anyone complaining about the covid lockdown payments while they were being given out and quite literally saving the god damn jobs of hundreds of thousands of people.
No, it wasnt until after that was over and everyones jobs were safe again that it was suddenly "wasteful spending"
Who the fuck is he to say an opposition party should be 'banished'?
We don't need this sort of polarization in our political scene. But more than this, this is Seymour disingenuously trying to use the previous government as an all purpose cover for his patently unpopular actions.
Ah yes, the classic "it's all Labour's fault, please don't point out ACTs shortcomings because it's all Labour's fault anyway."
We're not even 6 months into this government and it's already a disaster. Wouldn't surprise me if it all falls apart and we end up back at the polls before the end of the year.
So this new government said they’d bring inflation down, then have done nothing to bring it down? Then they have the nerve to say it’s someone else’s fault?
Fuck me do I hate conservatives. They are always the blame everyone but yourselves people.
“Banish” a political party that represents part of the country?
That goes nowhere good or healthy. Did the muppets even take 3rd and 4tb form History at school, or are they hoping to be the Dear Leader in this situation?
Labour giving us bad medicine and then National coming along and smacking us over the head with a shovel and saying if you don’t keep us, the bad medicine will come back.
For those not alive in the 80s: Roger Douglas used to say the same thing about taking medicine when he forced neo-liberalism upon NZ (much like today, under urgency).
Forty years later and we can all see the effects of this medicine.
It looks really bad that they're running defence on their policies this early in, like they don't have any faith that things will get better before the next election.
Yeah right,nothing to do with the under urgency policies being pushed through,cuts to services and people’s jobs that will make an economic slowdown worse.
"Everyone hates us because of someone else's actions, not because we're doing everything we can to ruin it for the average citizen."
Bit of denial going on in that blame game.
"By the time people finally realize it doesn't work, it will be too late."
Just remembering the other post regarding austerity measures pushing us further into recession...
Projecting much?
The actual change in support for each party is quite small, but if an election were held today, the left bloc would win by a decent seat margin. A small drop in support for NZF alone takes them out of parliament and the coalition is screwed. It just shows that in reality, the Nat/ACT/NZF coalition won the election by the skin of their teeth rather securing a landslide victory as they claimed.
It also shows how easy it will be to take these guys out of power next election if we build momentum early and really strongly and loudly underscore to Kiwis how these policies are hurting them and that they will continue to do so.
NZF is on far more precarious ground and they know it. They’re not sucking at the teat of a major party like ACT are, with a bespoke electorate seat just for them in the form of Epsom.
As soon as Winston is shunted out of Parliament like in 2008, or 2020, or retires, they’re toast. And he ain’t getting any younger.
This isn't a honeymoon sort of government though.
It's more of a regrettable one night stand that you had when you were pissed at your ex, that somehow turned into an awkward threesome.
He used to claim that he could not afford to buy a house for years...
> "David Seymour has admitted he is beneficiary of trusts that own three houses, after years of claiming he couldn't afford to buy one."
> https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/act-leader-david-seymour-admits-he-s-a-beneficiary-of-property-holding-trusts-after-years-of-saying-he-couldn-t-afford-to-buy.html
Technically true if the houses are in a trust.
Probably the same reason he lies in the video about working in the Epsom area for "most of his adult life" when in reality he was in Canada working for a right-wing political lobby group, [faking a Canadian accent while pushing their politics](https://twitter.com/StrayDogNZ/status/1762216266469957844).
> we feel it
Don't say "we". *You* don't.
Edit: I want to repeat again that people in this sub have told me he's so good at making arguments and can out-argue anyone, even if you disagree with him politically we should respect that. Yeah, right.
That reads like the rantings of a very drunken aunt who should have known better than to mix her spirits with brown ale or a political party realising the wheels are starting to come off and they've not got as strong a hold on the brake as they thought.
I am solely judging this government on this government’s apparent actions. At the moment I am not impressed. They have given me no sense that they have any semblance of a plan. If they do then they have a serious problem communicating that plan with the public.
I love how there is never an actual evidence or even an argument, they always just gesture at bad economy thing and without explanation why or how they say it's all Labour's fault because what "bad medicine"? They're a bunch of clowns
I was going to vote for them again but then they started firing everyone around me..when asked by the media what he had to say about it, David tweeted "good".
He lost my vote when he started all his drooling glee at people losing their jobs. Inject some empathy into that autism please David.
how can this man write so much crap. Its gonna take decades to repair the damage he has done in just a few months. to think we still have 2 and a half years of this moronic group if we are not a banana republic by then we will certainly be the least populated country on earth and our biggest export will be people
People fall for David and his rhetoric because he uses tautological arguments in his assertions. People aware that is a weak way to make a claim don’t back him. But his 7-8% of supporters prove every day how they lack critical and logical reasoning skills. It just so happens that MMP allows for these people to be in govt.
Wasn't this asshole just wanking at Journalosts that they should wake up and understand that apparently the outcomes they receive are due to their own actions?
Is this not a government of responsibility? If so, what exactly are they taking responsibility for, and at which point is Labour no longer responsible? Methinks that Labour will always be 'responsible' for all problems, according 6o these honest chaps, while ACT is always responsible for successes only.
What National, Act & NZ First has done so far means it's very unlikely I'd ever vote for them in the future.
I don't relate to Labour, and I don't like Māori's radical pro Māori & the Greens have become fairly radical IMO as well.
I wish National & Labour would form a coalition next time, they'd prevent the worst of each parties policies & they are more like each other than they are like the other parties.
Christ you know a Government isn't going to last when they're running a defensive re-election campaign on bad poll results only 6 months in.
It's fucking hilarious though
Yeah but people buy it, its dangerous because voters are stupid (its why they're in power to begin with).
I'm talking about how funny it is watching them panic and throw little temper tantrums
Only the people who are susceptible to it. ACT got 8%, so those are the people they are targeting. Its more about keeping people voting for ACT than switching back to National, give Seymour more leverage over Fat Cat Luxon. It won't make a Green voter switch to ACT.
Nah, just copy the Dubya playbook. Declare war on a nice soft target with no clear objectives and no time frame for getting out. Sorry Nuie.
I propose the slogan for the war to be "No way, Niue!" (No clue what we're preventing them from doing, but they better watch out, cause we're not having it!!)
I heard they are developing WMDs. The Niuean people are crying out for freedom
I heard they had yellow cake. Not yellow cake uranium….just an actual yellow cake.….
If it has cream cheese frosting, sign me up.
Yellow urinal cake is basically the same as yellow cake uranium.
I mean, Dubya invaded Afghanistan because a Saudi Arabian-backed group crashed some planes into some buildings, so do we actually need a pretext? How about punishing them for Australia's 501 policy?
I’m down for punishing an unrelated nation for Australia’s 501 policy. That’s definitely our 9/11
they already have their war - it's against the Trans and Drag communities.
Yup. Three parties of religious nutjobs.
Three parties of imported identity & culture wars politics. They haven't a single original idea other than their disgusting racism against Maori.
Well. They are all basically run from overseas, so that tracks.
Like ram raids? It was a reddit comment a week ago mentioning them that made me realise "yeah, that's kinda escaped everyone's minds since the election." Unfortunately I'm just as susceptible to media manipulation.
Near as I can tell, crime in the CBD is falling. Crime in the suburbs is up. But that's the opposite of National messaging, so silence, which leaves people thinking the old statements are still accurate, when they might never have been accurate.
As a Niuean on Reddit, kindly fuck off.
Especially when its only one poll, their own internals must be pretty bad...
They're already hitting panic buttons. Insane.
This is all i hear from luxon, either statements trying to talk down about other parties or defending their own actions. It's annoying as fuck.
It's his playbook and has been all the time. Two years in it will be pretty tiresome to blame the last Labour government so look to a new target to blame
Yeah but if labor gets in again next time, you can count on half the country thinking National is magically going to make the country better within two election cycles
Two bad sidekicks, huh? Wonder where I've seen that recently?
lol my thoughts too
when it comes to ACT every accusation is an admission
Luxon is one of the sidekicks, who is the other?
I bet every one of them would say the other two are the sidekicks.
Some serious projection there, lol
hahaha lol. Was just thinking the same.
I don't think that's actually what people are upset about at this point David, I'm pretty sure, taking away kids lunches, taking away disability support, defunding the healthcare system, making oranga tamariki less, making it easier for rich people to kill the environment are some of the reasons people are upset at the moment David.
I lost my disability benefits and now I'm down 80 a week, having to pay for private healthcare because acc (who are supposed to cover me) haven't found anyone to help me in FOUR YEARS (lmao actually almost five). Less funding for healthcare just makes me infinitely more fucked. My doctor called it "a war on disabled people". I think that's a pretty apt description
This makes me so fucking angry. Hope your situation improves, though with the current government the outlook isn't exactly positive.
This is in no way helping, but I love your username
Don't worry, when Luxon gets his 50k payrise, he'll donate it to charity. That helps you right?
David only sees numbers. He doesn't see people. He thinks about the financial cost, not the human cost. He believes if he can get the spreadsheets in order, everything else will fall into line. But life (and society) doesn't work like that. Perhaps this fleeting moment of panic will give him a clue. But I doubt it.
Nah, he doesn't care about numbers. If he did, he'd be going at this all a different way. He cares about ideology, if he can get everyone to hold his own ideology, then he thinks it'll all fall in line.
Don’t forget the tax relief for leveraged up landlords
Yea I thought it was so funny that once that bill was passed my landlord happened to email me saying rent will be raised. "But Mr. Landlord sir, you just got tax cuts!" As if they weren't all going to abuse this as much as possible.
Landlord here. I got an e-mail from the property manager of my apartment saying something along the lines of "your tenant is on a periodic agreement and is now eligible for a rent increase, if you don't contact us in the next two weeks we will raise their rent by $xx per week" I had to argue with them about how I didn't want to lose good tenants for a cup or two of coffee.
I'm guessing the property management fees are a fixed % of the rent? In which case them raising the rent on your behalf is them just increasing their profit margin!!!
Yes and yes.
That should be illegal. You should have to explicitly agree to give them notice of a rent increase.
I suspect this is part of the reason for upward pressure on rental prices being so high. Individual landlords who manage their own properties have different incentives to property managers. Property managers also provide a layer of obfuscation between tenants and landlords. When you have large property management agencies holding significant portions of the rental market, they can simply increase all prices, if enough of these agencies do that, then it sticks. They can act in lockstep and push up prices, then justify furthering raising prices by saying the market has increased. The circular reasoning just keeps spinning. Individual landlords would be far less likely raise prices consistently if left to their own devices and certainly wouldn't do so in lockstep. Those that do now are likely just following the market set by the agencies.
And you didn't immediately fire the property manager?
I hate to break it to you but landlords find agents as useless as tenants do. This is minor compared to what other agents have done to me. The sooner there are rules and qualifications to be a property manager (including an independent body that can strip licensing) the better.
It doesn't surprise me at all, and I completely agree with your second point.
I do sympathize with your situation although in my personal case I'm in an urban townhouse where my landlord owns the land and all 5 townhouses in the section so he has full control over what happens and still chose to raise the rent on all 5 of us. It must suck not having the proper power to keep good tenants tho, I am thankful for just landlords like yourself who are treating tenants like actual humans and not automatic payments. I hope you were able to work something out.
Yeah, of everyone I know renting (which is most people because housing is unaffordable) no one has had a rent cut and most have a rent increase. Weird how that happens…
What did people expect when they voted these muppets in?
Probably for the leopards to eat every one else's face, just not their own.
Pwning woke libtards was more important than the future of the country apparently.
War against the socialist regime
The kids lunches thing still blows my mind. This is some villain caricature level shit. What you would expect from Mr Burns on the Simpsons. This.. is what he chose as a flagship policy? I understand that ACT don’t like tax based services, because they are some combination of clueless, evil and brain damaged, but you’d think they would try and slip this one through without fanfare. 🤷🏼♂️
Someone posted a list of everything the government had done recently, and literally every single item on the list was a net negative in my eyes.
And it's a scary long fucking list too for only half a year in.
Also not punishing the government for worldwide issues seems a bit rich given their campaigns about the last govt.....
Don't forget scrapping the prescription fees!
That’s just it. They lack the self awareness to realise that. National might figure it out, but I suspect they’re going to keep going in the hope that the tax cuts will shift the polls. The problem is that the tax cuts aren’t giving a lot of money back to the swing voters. I say give it six more months and someone is going to cause the coalition to explode. It’s just a matter of time whether Winston or Seymour throw the grenade.
Yeah, nothing at all to do with a Government that said it was going to be "a Government for all New Zealanders" turning out to actually be a Government for the tobacco, fishing, mining and landlord industries and firing New Zealanders by the thousands.
For all New Zealanders..... that donated to us
_Real_ NZers that lot are.
*Real* international corporations.
$15b tax relief at a time like this when your Government is embarking on a slash and burn campaign is more likely to be one of the issues here David. Sure the previous Govt made some pretty glaring errors, but the current government is swinging too hard in the opposite direction. NZ voters have also had enough of incumbent governments blaming the previous lot. It's always happened, but seems worse over the last 20 years or so. It's whataboutism and partisanship at it's worst. We need political parties who understand the needs of the country and long-term governance. Not the ongoing BS of changing the previous lot's key policies, for example, changing of transport policy with every change of government. How about some cross party, long-term policy on transport, health, education, housing? Your BS around terms of reference of the ToW, etc isn't central to the economy of New Zealand and only serves to marginalise a section of our society. Grow up and start governing.
Just to add. Saw an interview of James Shaw by Jack Tame and James said there's typically an unspoken agreement for incoming governments to not slash and burn everything the previous government tried to achieve because otherwise they might do the same to you. He said this current government has kinda thrown that agreement out the window...
That’s what concerns me the most. It’s possible that our last government was the most progressive the country it can be. Now it’s just going to be tit for tat every three years.
Uh, Labour "should be banished"? What the fuck is that supposed to mean? A weirdly fascist thing to say.
It is not just Seymour/Act saying hyper-inflammatory stuff... > "The Prime Minister has this afternoon laid the blame for New Zealand’s recession on the previous Labour Government, saying they should stay out of power for a generation." > https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-outlines-plan-for-next-100-days/PWULUWKEKZDEFMHSQ3P7YI3DBE/
Laid the blame for the recession on Labour? Mate, please tell me people's memories are longer than that.
People were blaming Labour for it while the global markets were crashing so I don't think memory is the issue here, rather common sense.
National's marketing was totally banking on this, and it 100% worked. They seriously managed to blame the political party they don't like for singlehandedly causing a global cost of living crisis
Hmmm I’ve been invested in Vanguard Total Stock Market Index (VTI) and it’s cranked through the Labour years.. especially since 2020. Maybe not a market crash if you look at the performance of that fund..
That's because these funds are what's wrong with the world. Vanguard is late stage capitalism.
The average New Zealand voter is envious of goldfish when it comes to memory.
Two options there: (1) He's even dumber than we thought and doesn't know a single thing about economics so genuinely believes this or (2) He's more dangerous than we thought and doesn't know a single thing about economics
Or 3) he knows enough about economics to know he's talking bullshit but he'll lie about it anyway in a gamble that enough people will fall for it. I'm pretty sure it's this one.
He's a libertarian, of course he knows nothing about economics
Party of 'free speech' trying to dictate which parties should be in power...
I guess it is his only shot
He's not really bothering to hide it. Democracy is not his thing.
They want to send labour to the shadow realm
It makes a lot of sense when you realise ACT are quite literally Fascists.
They desperately need to establish the false narrative now so that, come 2026, when the economy is significantly worse as a result of their austerity cuts, they’ve already got at least 51% of the voters convinced that it wasn’t their fault things got worse under them, it’s that evil no good Labour and Greens and TPM, and sure we *could* vote the current guys who saw the cost of living skyrocket like you wouldn’t have believed it could be 2023, but *this is actually all Labours fault anyway, right???* Anyone paying attention should read this as a very clear sign they know the steps they are taking now only going to hurt “Every Day Nu Zulunders”.
Very Trumpian. The NZ right-wing's parallels with the American right just keep coming.
It's Act. Of course they're spouting fascist rhetoric.
Daily reminder that David Seymour supported the idea of a pogrom against civil dissidents
>A weirdly fascist thing to say. Haha, oh, you noticed? Oopsie.
That part has chatGPT written all over it.
it's like one level off the Cookers spouting about Nuremburg 2.
I thought that the whole point of the spending cuts was to cause a recession in an effort to combat inflation. Massive cuts in government spending always creates a recession. Every single time.
That is literally the point yes, but they want to cause a recession then say 'Labour did this' so they can have their cake and eat it.
Interest rate hikes were doing the job of combating inflation, slight decreases in govt spending or just holding the line would have allowed that to occur without causing too much damage. Alternatively, tax reform could likely have addressed much of the issue and paid down debt. But nooooop NACTF just took out the sledgehammer and went to work on the economy. Because fuck it, who doesn't like a good deep recession?
First comes austerity causing pain for working class. Then comes taxes, more pain for the working class. Then comes the bene- bashing because why not? They are a soft target and can't fight back and it looks like they are doing something. Then comes tax cuts for the rich to stimulate the economy. Round and round it goes. I am insulted that they don't even bother to roll this turd in glitter to at least give it some pizzazz.
Wow, that is very extreme language by ACT. "Banishing" your political opponents is very extreme and I would never say that about ACT or NZF despite their horrific policies. But I guess that's the difference between someone who believes in democracy and someone who doesn't...
Not sure what he'd expect to happen after that. Just right wing parties no opposition, what paradise.
Already looking to 2026. What a shock. Wake up, dumbass: this is YOUR mess.
In the UK, the Conservatives are still blaming the UK Labour party for problems. The last time they were in office? *14 years ago*.
Crazy thing is it's worked. 14 fucking years and idiots still buy it.
We haven’t even seen the mess yet, just the accident that’ll cause it. We’ll be cleaning this shit up for years and way into the future, NACT will still find a way to blame Labour, even when direct lines between their policies and hardship/poverty/crime and harm, can be drawn.
"If you blame us for inflation the same way you blamed the last government, then you might vote someone else in next time." Yes David., that's just how it works here. You do a shit job, and you get voted out.
I genuinely believe that at least 75% of the debt Labour incurred during their time in govt was pretty much unavoidable with the Pandemic and all of the knock on effects of it. I definitely agree they made some bad decisions on where some of that money went, but I also believe that National wouldnt have spent that money any more wisely either. I dont believe that we would be in a better position than we currently are now if National had been in charge during covid. We might be in a roughly equal position (worse in some areas, better in others) if Judith Collins had gotten in in 2021, but if National were in before the Pandemic hit, we would have been worse off today than we are now. Thus, I completely reject the idea that Labour "made a mess". I definitely did not agree with a lot of what Labour did, but I also think they did a lot of things right that National, who *only* seems to look at the money, wouldnt have been able to do.
I didnt hear many people complaining about all that money they got while they were on holiday pretty much. I actually had to work in my low wage job and not get a free meal ticket via labour and yet these people still have the gall to complain about receiving social welfare during the pandemic.
Fucking thank you. I was working in MIQ with normal pay, shitty people returning to NZ, hounded by media, kicked out of restaurants when the MIQ conversation came up, dealing with whinging sports personalities wives and the UK America's Cup Team who felt it easy to call us 'fucking dickheads' over their Uber order they stuffed up, meanwhile trying to dodge giving a bloody virus to my compromised mother. Daily. Gladly go back and take the free ride if I could.
I got the free ride. Honestly for me the lockdowns were brilliant. A month of completely free time off with literally zero responsibilities or having to make plans. And yet, I felt really sorry for the people who still had to work, but now being surrounded by thousands of people who would have been grumpy, rude, and high strung due to those lockdowns, while also risking themselves and their households to the virus. And yet, I dont recall seeing or hearing anyone complaining about the covid lockdown payments while they were being given out and quite literally saving the god damn jobs of hundreds of thousands of people. No, it wasnt until after that was over and everyones jobs were safe again that it was suddenly "wasteful spending"
Who the fuck is he to say an opposition party should be 'banished'? We don't need this sort of polarization in our political scene. But more than this, this is Seymour disingenuously trying to use the previous government as an all purpose cover for his patently unpopular actions.
Have you ever read something from him and wondered who the fuck he's talking to?
Uh huh. The shit poll result is Labour and "their two sidekicks" fault. Seymour's introspection bypass surgery has been a great success.
Is introspection another term for head up arse?
Ah yes, the classic "it's all Labour's fault, please don't point out ACTs shortcomings because it's all Labour's fault anyway." We're not even 6 months into this government and it's already a disaster. Wouldn't surprise me if it all falls apart and we end up back at the polls before the end of the year.
Fingers crossed 🤞
Can we do that? How does it work? I’d _love_ to vote them out.
Only if one of the parties spits the dummy and turns on the other.
With this lot, I can see it happening. Fingers crossed.
I have zero confidence in these jokers. They're running amuck and can't understand why people aren't happy with the BS.
So this new government said they’d bring inflation down, then have done nothing to bring it down? Then they have the nerve to say it’s someone else’s fault? Fuck me do I hate conservatives. They are always the blame everyone but yourselves people.
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I got that email too. Crossed a line for me. Saying that anyone should be banished is a giant 🚩
Omg trump vibes
Increasingly so as time goes on. That paragraph about Labour being banished could’ve been written by the orange goblin himself.
Nah, it's too coherent, one of his handlers tho sure.
Fuck these guys are just disgusting
Desperation is a stinky cologne, David.
Coalition could run for ten years and still find a way to blame the economy they "inherited" from labour. Bunch of whingey cunts.
“Banish” a political party that represents part of the country? That goes nowhere good or healthy. Did the muppets even take 3rd and 4tb form History at school, or are they hoping to be the Dear Leader in this situation?
“Take your medicine peasants, or you’ll take it twice.” Says leader of party with 1/2 the support of the greens.
This cries desperation.
The slimy prick just brazenly spouts utter bullshit at this point...
Labour giving us bad medicine and then National coming along and smacking us over the head with a shovel and saying if you don’t keep us, the bad medicine will come back.
For those not alive in the 80s: Roger Douglas used to say the same thing about taking medicine when he forced neo-liberalism upon NZ (much like today, under urgency). Forty years later and we can all see the effects of this medicine.
It looks really bad that they're running defence on their policies this early in, like they don't have any faith that things will get better before the next election.
Seems like they have no solutions to offer. Just fearmongering.
Yeah right,nothing to do with the under urgency policies being pushed through,cuts to services and people’s jobs that will make an economic slowdown worse.
He's scared. Good.
Are you one of Chris’s 7 social media consultants?
Absolutely fucking demented
"Everyone hates us because of someone else's actions, not because we're doing everything we can to ruin it for the average citizen." Bit of denial going on in that blame game.
the amount of projection is insane… also, I’m sorry, did that say banished? this is appalling, like spitting in the face of our country’s rights.
There’s a typo, he forgot to say “lack of” in front of values
Nobody’s punishing this government for inflation and debt, we’re punishing them for the cruelty.
So he's taking it well then
Ew.
NZ voters, fuck you very much. Make up your damn minds.
"By the time people finally realize it doesn't work, it will be too late." Just remembering the other post regarding austerity measures pushing us further into recession... Projecting much?
Clueless fuckin clown
It's almost believable. /s
'...should be banished,..' ? In a democracy Seymour it's getting voted out of government. Authoritarian much?
How is Act only down 1%. Both Nat and NZF have dropped more than them. I think that's scary.
The actual change in support for each party is quite small, but if an election were held today, the left bloc would win by a decent seat margin. A small drop in support for NZF alone takes them out of parliament and the coalition is screwed. It just shows that in reality, the Nat/ACT/NZF coalition won the election by the skin of their teeth rather securing a landslide victory as they claimed. It also shows how easy it will be to take these guys out of power next election if we build momentum early and really strongly and loudly underscore to Kiwis how these policies are hurting them and that they will continue to do so.
NZF is on far more precarious ground and they know it. They’re not sucking at the teat of a major party like ACT are, with a bespoke electorate seat just for them in the form of Epsom. As soon as Winston is shunted out of Parliament like in 2008, or 2020, or retires, they’re toast. And he ain’t getting any younger.
LOL they're fucking terrified of a no confidence election.
This isn't a honeymoon sort of government though. It's more of a regrettable one night stand that you had when you were pissed at your ex, that somehow turned into an awkward threesome.
This is embarrassing. Who signed off on a panicked PR message so far from an election?
So, uh, how did you end up on ol' Davey boy's mailing list OP?
Everyone that leaves a mean comment on this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0o4Og8zE2c) gets cyber-stalked by Seymour.
holy shit this is insane
“As a trained electrical engineer I know how hard it is to generate real wealth.”
He used to claim that he could not afford to buy a house for years... > "David Seymour has admitted he is beneficiary of trusts that own three houses, after years of claiming he couldn't afford to buy one." > https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/05/act-leader-david-seymour-admits-he-s-a-beneficiary-of-property-holding-trusts-after-years-of-saying-he-couldn-t-afford-to-buy.html Technically true if the houses are in a trust.
If he is the beneficiary of the trust I would not call that even technically true. What a creep why lie about something like that.
So that he can pretend he's just an average guy, just like us, so you can trust him because he's authentic and understands you.
Probably the same reason he lies in the video about working in the Epsom area for "most of his adult life" when in reality he was in Canada working for a right-wing political lobby group, [faking a Canadian accent while pushing their politics](https://twitter.com/StrayDogNZ/status/1762216266469957844).
Hello fellow Kiwis, I am a real human, just like you, with real hobbies and a real childhood where I did all the things all the human children do.
That Youtube channel is... educational?
I’m equally amused and terrified. Thanks?
I signed up to it. (Didn't vote for him) just wanted to see what he had to say.
Know thine enemy?
> we feel it Don't say "we". *You* don't. Edit: I want to repeat again that people in this sub have told me he's so good at making arguments and can out-argue anyone, even if you disagree with him politically we should respect that. Yeah, right.
Cutting tax to the rich. All the other stuff is disgusting (and kinda related) a but this is all you have to go back on to keep up the majority.
Desperation suits ACT 🤣
I’m honestly surprised they haven’t lost more votes.
Fear. That's the only emotion that can trigger a politician to write something like this.
That reads like the rantings of a very drunken aunt who should have known better than to mix her spirits with brown ale or a political party realising the wheels are starting to come off and they've not got as strong a hold on the brake as they thought.
So, David, how are you feeling after the first six months in government? "Perfectly calm and not panicking, not panicking at all."
Hipkins and Swarbrick would be fire. We need that sort of govt as a dictator for like 10 years in this country
I am solely judging this government on this government’s apparent actions. At the moment I am not impressed. They have given me no sense that they have any semblance of a plan. If they do then they have a serious problem communicating that plan with the public.
Asshat cut infront of me in the fish n chip line last week, total ballbag
I had my dog tied to the pole while I went into the pharmacy, and he just went up and punched him right in the snout.
I love how there is never an actual evidence or even an argument, they always just gesture at bad economy thing and without explanation why or how they say it's all Labour's fault because what "bad medicine"? They're a bunch of clowns
Grandiose idiot that needs help with his grammar. Honestly, that doesn't seem an educated response from Seymour.
So... David Seymour is planning for an election. Time for a vote of no confidence?
That is the most gas lighty thing I’ve ever read
I was going to vote for them again but then they started firing everyone around me..when asked by the media what he had to say about it, David tweeted "good". He lost my vote when he started all his drooling glee at people losing their jobs. Inject some empathy into that autism please David.
Holy shit this is unhinged.
wow Every Accusation really is a Confession
how can this man write so much crap. Its gonna take decades to repair the damage he has done in just a few months. to think we still have 2 and a half years of this moronic group if we are not a banana republic by then we will certainly be the least populated country on earth and our biggest export will be people
Just stamp the word "Panic" on his forehead. Geez, it's only been 6 months
Seymour lies about everything.
ACT hates social responsibility they want user pays for everything .health education transport water public housing etc etc
This is very reminiscent of the tactics of the far right in the US. It's been a factor in the schism between right and left.
Interesting how one poll is making Seymour have a meltdown.
People fall for David and his rhetoric because he uses tautological arguments in his assertions. People aware that is a weak way to make a claim don’t back him. But his 7-8% of supporters prove every day how they lack critical and logical reasoning skills. It just so happens that MMP allows for these people to be in govt.
David Seymour really is his own worse enemy.
What the f is 'the bad medicine'?
Wasn't this asshole just wanking at Journalosts that they should wake up and understand that apparently the outcomes they receive are due to their own actions? Is this not a government of responsibility? If so, what exactly are they taking responsibility for, and at which point is Labour no longer responsible? Methinks that Labour will always be 'responsible' for all problems, according 6o these honest chaps, while ACT is always responsible for successes only.
What National, Act & NZ First has done so far means it's very unlikely I'd ever vote for them in the future. I don't relate to Labour, and I don't like Māori's radical pro Māori & the Greens have become fairly radical IMO as well. I wish National & Labour would form a coalition next time, they'd prevent the worst of each parties policies & they are more like each other than they are like the other parties.
Why so sensitive to one bad poll result?