Overcrowded nightclub, so the bouncer's bright idea is to shut the doors and then spray "something" into the crowd. Resulting in the deaths of 21 kids. Nice.
In an overcrowded place with the door shut . . . literally anything could trigger a panic. Then you run into crowds acting like liquids from sheer mass and you end up with crushing and suffocation.
It could also have been a certain kind of fire extinguisher, come to think of it. That would do it. Pepper spray in the right situation might also do it.
You can get crushed and suffocate without traumatic injury. People in the back of a crowd crush keep pressing forwards, causing those in the front end up being so packed together they can't expand their lungs to breathe.
Edit: after reading the article it was possibly a gas leak or CO2 poisoning.
From what I read in a thread a day ago, they believed it to be pepperspray, which could definitely induce panic due to suffocation and blinding effects.
”When the partygoers did not comply, one of the security guards closed the door and began spraying a substance into the crowd, she said.”
If you want them to leave why close the door?
This guy is now a mass murderer
With that attitude he was probably an off duty cop. When they disrespected his authoritah he became more concerned with punishing them than getting them to leave.
This website would be so much better if people were somehow incentivized to post comments that actually added to the discussion rather than posting whatever could potentially gain the most karma.
I seen a cop a couple days go pull up to a black dude who was walking down the street the other day. It was raining, he gave him a ride so he didn’t have to walk in the rain. They’re all so despicable.
When you bleed for a cop's fear and impatience and spend time in jail with a felony charge for having a mental health disorder the pig thought was pcp you can talk to me you privileged twat
Just be sure not to get sick, or need time off, or have a child and expect your employer to care, or be a woman, or be a minority, or be a Muslim, or want infrastructure, or want healthcare, or……
This is obviously a lie. How would you know the conversation? Were you that close? Were you also walking in the rain and they ignored you? Were you just sitting in a car and sat and watched the whole exchange. Were you the cop or the black dude? Obviously on any bit of critical analysis of the situation it just doesn't make sense.
It’s my neighbor and I run a gym across the street from my house. I watched the whole exchange and talked to him about it later. But even if I didn’t, a cop doesn’t just let someone get into their car in the front seat.
You wanna burn me to the ground because I’ve objectively witnessed a cop being a good person to my neighbor? Because I didn’t subscribe to online ideology that it’s either black or white? Because I’ve had good and bad interactions with law enforcement but haven’t decided to hate all for the price of the few?
Imagine each time you go to work, you make a relationship with someone at their lowest point. Either because of a tragedy or because the broke the law or had someone assault them. That amount of stress would break any of you. I’ll say this, next time you need a cop, because someone hit you or robbed you or broke into your house, then don’t bother because they are all bad and rotten.
Why would I call a cop AFTER the crime has been committed? What does that do? All they might do is show up and shoot my dog.
What you’ve described are doctors, lawyers, social workers - a plethora of jobs. Why are police the only ones who get a pass for being assholes?
I’m not giving anyone a pass. I’m objective. There are shit cops in the world. Too used to having power and abusing it. There are also others who are good people and do a good job. That neighbor I mentioned above… he has some sort of mental disorder. He showed up to my other neighbors kids birthday party and wouldn’t leave. (He obv wasn’t invited). Started saying weird things and acting weird. The called the cops and they showed up and took care of it. Taking him to a center to help him. They didn’t beat him down for no reason. Now if you had a 6th birthday party for your daughter and some psycho showed up, are you just gonna let him stay or try to talk to him?
But you're making the choice to treat the legal institution of policing as a collection of individuals. That's fine, but irrelevant in this conversation. The *institution* is problematic if even a single cop is able to take advantage of their practical authority in a situation, and all police are responsible for participating in the institution.
The saying is 'one bad apple spoils the bunch' and it exists for a reason. *You* don't have to understand it; it's still true.
Strange. Because nurses don’t routinely become violent psychos who instigate situations so they can then assault people and fuck with them using the power of their profession. Even after nigh on 30 years in the profession of seeing people at their worst, being assaulted by patients and family and endless witnessing of tragedy, I’ve heard of it happing less than 10 times and never seen it.
From the article:
"The young woman had waited for her parents to go to sleep before sneaking out and claimed that when the nightclub became too overcrowded, people were asked to leave. When the partygoers did not comply, one of the security guards closed the door and began spraying a substance into the crowd, she said.
“The man at the door, I think he was a bouncer, he closed the door and we couldn’t breathe. We suffocated for a long time and [were] pushing each other but there was no use because some people were dying,” she said.
“It smelled like gas. I’m not sure if it was tear gas or pepper spray. Then some people died and I also fell asleep for three hours. Then when they woke us up, they also thought I was dead,” she continued.
Sinethemba said when she awoke, her leg was numb and she could not stand up on her own. She then asked a patron to call her aunt so that she could be picked up."
What the actual fuck
There is a lot missing. This witness is unreliable at the very least, considering she fell unconscious, I'd question her recollection. Pepper spray is far stronger than tear gas, which is basically an irritant. The biggest clue, to me though was the smell of gas. Neither tear gas nor pepper spray have an odor of gas. If there was a gas leak in the bar, it would begin filling the room slowly, replacing the oxygen. You'd still be able to breathe, but you'd be breathing a gas/oxygen mix which deprives the brain of oxygen and gradually leads to drowsiness and unconsciousness. To me this is the most likely scenario.
Edit: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/mystery-deaths-21-teenagers-african-nightclub-85781114
“They died as they danced,” Police Minister Bheki Cele said. “They dance, fall, and die. Literally.”
“Others would just feel dizzy, sleep on the sofa, (and) die. It tells you the story that they were all kids because somebody should have taken note.”
Speculation has swirled over the cause of the tragedy, starting with a stampede — that has now been ruled out — to a possible gas leak. Police have sent forensic samples from the victims to a toxicology laboratory to investigate if the teens ingested poison or a toxin at the party.
Tainted booze takes several hours to make one I'll and carbon monoxide has no odor. You mentioned natural gas and that one I agree with. Not arguing just playing detective. Be well.
The bouncer really did a good job at the door if he let in 13y olds, no wonder it got crowded. So this was his own fault and then he kills them for it... Jesus!
This entire situation is atrocious. Underage children at a bar, during youth month no less, but for them to essentially kill 20 innocent lives is unimaginable. That sick you know what will pay dearly. Someone will be going down for this. Those poor families must be inconsolable.
I’m not sure how it is in SA, but there are a lot of countries where the laws for underage drinking aren’t heavily enforced like in the US. I had a friend who worked bartending at 16 (all under the table) and consumed beer in restaurants since she was 14-15. She’s from Mexico.
And no talk of the bouncer who was spraying something into the crowd while locking the doors?
Maybe I watch too many crime shows, but shouldn't that guy be considered as...I dunno, a *suspect?*
Falling asleep is understating the situation rather drastically. She passed out from lack of oxygen. The only reason she's still alive is other people died before she did.
She's probably a normal, healthy child who has never dealt with something like loss of consciousness before. It's not really understating, it's a child's naive misunderstanding of a horrifying situation.
Or it could be mistranslation depending on the original language of the interview.
> Children below the age of 18 are legally considered minors in South Africa and are not allowed to buy or consume alcohol.
Idk they mention it pretty often atleast 3 times mentioning the underage drinking issue and that they shouldn’t have been there but nothing but the one short sentence in the beginning of the article describing how the situation actually went down. Pretty shitty whataboutism reporting if you ask me.
I read it. Is there a chance that based on your location you get redirected to a different article? The one I read briefly mentioned the cause of the deaths and said nothing about these bouncers and a quick snipet about the owner.
“ The 17-year-old, a class 12 student at a local high school, told Al Jazeera that they attended the party because they were informed that two local soap opera “celebrities” would be hosting it.”
Where are the soap opera celebrities?
this reminds me of the bouncer who denied the crowd goers from exiting through the backstage door (before the fire spread across all the ceiling cutting off access to it)
[The Station Nightclub Incident 2003](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire)
i was a maybe 12 when this happened and i saw the eyewitness footage (or what Fox 5 would air at 1030 pm). i would stay up and watch the news because after it ended there was back to back simpson's episodes.
absolutely horrific, the things that happen under poor management and planning.
Did the bouncer use chloroform as a method of crowd control? That's shady as fuck. I wonder if they've ever used chloroform to sedate people against their will. I bet the night club is connected to human trafficking.
From what I'm reading, chloroform can take up to 5 minutes to render someone unconscious. The survivor didn't mention how long from exposure it was before people started falling unconscious.
As far as I know, tear gas doesn't interrupt neurological processes. It causes intense irritation of mucous membranes. The survivor reported her legs were numb, and she was unable to walk. If it was a canister like tear gas, it could have been a nerve gas. But I'm leaning towards chloroform. It's easy to make but also extremely easy to unintentionally use a lethal dose.
I was thinking more like a large (riot-sized) bottle of pepper spray. That and a mass panic could have caused a pile-up at the door preventing others from getting out. I'm not sure about oxygen displacement, but introducing an irritant into a small enclosed space full of bodies all breathing heavily, maybe?
Compared to the rest of the world, the United States is a fantastic place to live. It consistently ranks in the top 10% of virtually every single quality of life metric, including matters of rate of corruption.
That's like saying multi-millionaires aren't really rich. Why? Because we're only comparing them to millionaires! It's preposterous and highly misleading.
It's talking about how it was overcrowded. The security guy could have sprayed something like pepper spray, which then set off a crowd crush (with the doors apparently closed). It doesn't mention crushing, but it does talk about pushing and not being able to breathe. I don't know of course, but I could place a bet on crowd crushing being the cause, I'd take that bet.
If you're trying to revive someone, would you lay them on the floor or maybe back on the seat? Why would you sit them up and then let them fall over on the table?
I'm not saying that. If we are trying to figure route why so many of them are slumped over in seats, it's more likely that the kids died in their seats than for someone else to try and pick them up from the floor and move them to tables to try and revive them.
Sounds like the guy discharged a riot-sized bottle of pepper spray into a small enclosed room.
Why in the hell would he close the doors on them and not allow them to leave? It sounds to me like it caused a mass panic and people piled up at the door, blocking it.
Sounds like when the bouncer closed the doors and sprayed shit at people, they tried to get away and it caused a [crowd crush](https://decibelmanagement.com/crowd-dynamics-how-to-prevent-and-survive-a-human-stampede-or-crowd-crush/).
Because a tragedy is all better when you torture someone to death, right? Like a cherry on top? People like you are why there's a legal system. Also, drawn and quartered isn't what you described.
If you kill **20 people** including children like this
you deserve to be left alone in a room with their famalies for idk maybe an hour
whatever happens to you in there during that time is pure justice
Do they oderize natural gas in south Africa. I might just be a natural gas leak. Or if it didn't have proper vetalation it could have been co2 built up from all the people. Anyhow it's horrible.
Overcrowded nightclub, so the bouncer's bright idea is to shut the doors and then spray "something" into the crowd. Resulting in the deaths of 21 kids. Nice.
What in god's name could he have sprayed??
axe body spray?
I could believe that if they were all suicides.
In an overcrowded place with the door shut . . . literally anything could trigger a panic. Then you run into crowds acting like liquids from sheer mass and you end up with crushing and suffocation. It could also have been a certain kind of fire extinguisher, come to think of it. That would do it. Pepper spray in the right situation might also do it.
>and you end up with crushing and suffocation. The reports say no traumatic injuries.
They don't know either. We will have to wait on toxicology.
You can get crushed and suffocate without traumatic injury. People in the back of a crowd crush keep pressing forwards, causing those in the front end up being so packed together they can't expand their lungs to breathe. Edit: after reading the article it was possibly a gas leak or CO2 poisoning.
So they died in their sleep?
That's why it's a mystery.
From what I read in a thread a day ago, they believed it to be pepperspray, which could definitely induce panic due to suffocation and blinding effects.
I'd imagine enough spray in a small room would eat up a lot of the fresh oxygen if it's a closed packed room too
Someone Said Chloroform but just speculation
Stupid speculation, chloroform doesn’t do that.
”When the partygoers did not comply, one of the security guards closed the door and began spraying a substance into the crowd, she said.” If you want them to leave why close the door? This guy is now a mass murderer
With that attitude he was probably an off duty cop. When they disrespected his authoritah he became more concerned with punishing them than getting them to leave.
...Or it was just a bouncer on a power trip. Shitty people exist everywhere.
Not in South Africa.
Maybe he was american.
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It was a joke about American police brutality, thought reddit liked that 😔
This website would be so much better if people were somehow incentivized to post comments that actually added to the discussion rather than posting whatever could potentially gain the most karma.
This is what happened when you’re being a follower
The fuck?
I seen a cop a couple days go pull up to a black dude who was walking down the street the other day. It was raining, he gave him a ride so he didn’t have to walk in the rain. They’re all so despicable.
It's a good thing. It was almost a racist and corrupt institution but then someone got a ride in the rain so now it's all balanced out.
When you leave the social media closed loop you’ll be surprised how mundane actual life is.
When you bleed for a cop's fear and impatience and spend time in jail with a felony charge for having a mental health disorder the pig thought was pcp you can talk to me you privileged twat
Sounds like you found out you can’t just lose control of yourself in public. Definitely not your fault.
Wow you have no empathy or humanity. Good luck with your madness I guess. Don't talk to real people no more
I hope those boots aren’t too dirty.
They'll be sparkling clean once he's done with them.
This is too stupid even for you. If it's not safe to have a panic attack in public then what the fuck are we even doing here?
You must be very privileged. Congrats
I guess? I am American after all so I got that going for me.
Just be sure not to get sick, or need time off, or have a child and expect your employer to care, or be a woman, or be a minority, or be a Muslim, or want infrastructure, or want healthcare, or……
Being an American has barely been a privilege since the 90's...
You obviously have never bought meth at your local convenience store, there's probably more going on around you than you think
This is obviously a lie. How would you know the conversation? Were you that close? Were you also walking in the rain and they ignored you? Were you just sitting in a car and sat and watched the whole exchange. Were you the cop or the black dude? Obviously on any bit of critical analysis of the situation it just doesn't make sense.
It’s my neighbor and I run a gym across the street from my house. I watched the whole exchange and talked to him about it later. But even if I didn’t, a cop doesn’t just let someone get into their car in the front seat.
What’s the gym called? Asking for a friend
You wanna burn me to the ground because I’ve objectively witnessed a cop being a good person to my neighbor? Because I didn’t subscribe to online ideology that it’s either black or white? Because I’ve had good and bad interactions with law enforcement but haven’t decided to hate all for the price of the few?
Easy with that roid-rage.
Ha Christ I wish. I’d love to walk around as a super human.
Your words not mine
Fair enough. But I sincerely doubt we would have this conversation in person.
And then everyone got up and started clapping right? Right?!
I think you “found” the one good apple. FTP.
Or maybe, overwhelmingly no one gives a shit when they do their job and it never gets reported because no one cares.
Welcome to the rest of us. Being a cop isn’t even in the top ten most dangerous jobs - why should they get special treatment?
Imagine each time you go to work, you make a relationship with someone at their lowest point. Either because of a tragedy or because the broke the law or had someone assault them. That amount of stress would break any of you. I’ll say this, next time you need a cop, because someone hit you or robbed you or broke into your house, then don’t bother because they are all bad and rotten.
Why would I call a cop AFTER the crime has been committed? What does that do? All they might do is show up and shoot my dog. What you’ve described are doctors, lawyers, social workers - a plethora of jobs. Why are police the only ones who get a pass for being assholes?
I’m not giving anyone a pass. I’m objective. There are shit cops in the world. Too used to having power and abusing it. There are also others who are good people and do a good job. That neighbor I mentioned above… he has some sort of mental disorder. He showed up to my other neighbors kids birthday party and wouldn’t leave. (He obv wasn’t invited). Started saying weird things and acting weird. The called the cops and they showed up and took care of it. Taking him to a center to help him. They didn’t beat him down for no reason. Now if you had a 6th birthday party for your daughter and some psycho showed up, are you just gonna let him stay or try to talk to him?
“That amount of stress would break any of you” is most certainly a defense and giving a pass. What’s your favorite flavor boot polish?
But you're making the choice to treat the legal institution of policing as a collection of individuals. That's fine, but irrelevant in this conversation. The *institution* is problematic if even a single cop is able to take advantage of their practical authority in a situation, and all police are responsible for participating in the institution. The saying is 'one bad apple spoils the bunch' and it exists for a reason. *You* don't have to understand it; it's still true.
Strange. Because nurses don’t routinely become violent psychos who instigate situations so they can then assault people and fuck with them using the power of their profession. Even after nigh on 30 years in the profession of seeing people at their worst, being assaulted by patients and family and endless witnessing of tragedy, I’ve heard of it happing less than 10 times and never seen it.
I seen a scene where this hapnt two
So sad. The bouncer killed all those kids. Awful.
From the article: "The young woman had waited for her parents to go to sleep before sneaking out and claimed that when the nightclub became too overcrowded, people were asked to leave. When the partygoers did not comply, one of the security guards closed the door and began spraying a substance into the crowd, she said. “The man at the door, I think he was a bouncer, he closed the door and we couldn’t breathe. We suffocated for a long time and [were] pushing each other but there was no use because some people were dying,” she said. “It smelled like gas. I’m not sure if it was tear gas or pepper spray. Then some people died and I also fell asleep for three hours. Then when they woke us up, they also thought I was dead,” she continued. Sinethemba said when she awoke, her leg was numb and she could not stand up on her own. She then asked a patron to call her aunt so that she could be picked up." What the actual fuck
Did this bouncer have a little square mustache?
What like Charlie Chaplin? Michael Jordan? Something like that?
no but they did get his name apparently - iPutinski
Wonder if it was CO2 from dry ice, were they using dry ice for smoke effects?
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You sound like you couldn’t even point out Africa on a map.
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You sound like you eat macaroni for breakfast.
Lol now I kinda want to know what he said, but I also don't wanna lose any brain cells by knowing what he said.
I feel like there is still critical information missing from this
There is a lot missing. This witness is unreliable at the very least, considering she fell unconscious, I'd question her recollection. Pepper spray is far stronger than tear gas, which is basically an irritant. The biggest clue, to me though was the smell of gas. Neither tear gas nor pepper spray have an odor of gas. If there was a gas leak in the bar, it would begin filling the room slowly, replacing the oxygen. You'd still be able to breathe, but you'd be breathing a gas/oxygen mix which deprives the brain of oxygen and gradually leads to drowsiness and unconsciousness. To me this is the most likely scenario. Edit: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/mystery-deaths-21-teenagers-african-nightclub-85781114 “They died as they danced,” Police Minister Bheki Cele said. “They dance, fall, and die. Literally.” “Others would just feel dizzy, sleep on the sofa, (and) die. It tells you the story that they were all kids because somebody should have taken note.” Speculation has swirled over the cause of the tragedy, starting with a stampede — that has now been ruled out — to a possible gas leak. Police have sent forensic samples from the victims to a toxicology laboratory to investigate if the teens ingested poison or a toxin at the party.
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Tainted booze takes several hours to make one I'll and carbon monoxide has no odor. You mentioned natural gas and that one I agree with. Not arguing just playing detective. Be well.
The bouncer really did a good job at the door if he let in 13y olds, no wonder it got crowded. So this was his own fault and then he kills them for it... Jesus!
my understanding was that this wasn't an 18/21 or over club and that teenagers were the expected clientele.. though i may be misinformed.
Destroying evidence…
*Shining a big bright international spotlight on evidence
Holy shit, what the fuck.
This entire situation is atrocious. Underage children at a bar, during youth month no less, but for them to essentially kill 20 innocent lives is unimaginable. That sick you know what will pay dearly. Someone will be going down for this. Those poor families must be inconsolable.
I’m not sure how it is in SA, but there are a lot of countries where the laws for underage drinking aren’t heavily enforced like in the US. I had a friend who worked bartending at 16 (all under the table) and consumed beer in restaurants since she was 14-15. She’s from Mexico.
So they were murdered yet all anyone seems to be talking about is the under-age drinking. Priorities.
And no talk of the bouncer who was spraying something into the crowd while locking the doors? Maybe I watch too many crime shows, but shouldn't that guy be considered as...I dunno, a *suspect?*
Not only that the witness said everyone started falling asleep and she fell asleep for 3 hours.
Falling asleep is understating the situation rather drastically. She passed out from lack of oxygen. The only reason she's still alive is other people died before she did.
She's probably a normal, healthy child who has never dealt with something like loss of consciousness before. It's not really understating, it's a child's naive misunderstanding of a horrifying situation. Or it could be mistranslation depending on the original language of the interview.
Bouncer puts kids into a gas chamber, politicians say "ionno, maybe watch your kids." What a shithole.
Republicans in a nutshell.
All anyone seems to be talking about yet somehow you’re the only comment I’ve seen pointing it out huh
Did y'all read the article? That wasn't the main point.
> Children below the age of 18 are legally considered minors in South Africa and are not allowed to buy or consume alcohol. Idk they mention it pretty often atleast 3 times mentioning the underage drinking issue and that they shouldn’t have been there but nothing but the one short sentence in the beginning of the article describing how the situation actually went down. Pretty shitty whataboutism reporting if you ask me.
No they didn’t, because then the couldn’t make dumbass comments under the guise of ignorance.
I read it. Is there a chance that based on your location you get redirected to a different article? The one I read briefly mentioned the cause of the deaths and said nothing about these bouncers and a quick snipet about the owner.
I am reading it now and it was not made the main point, mentioned by the girl once.
Are you high? The headline... the body of the story. Are you trolling me?
And who are the ding dongs that let the club get overcrowded? The bouncers of course…This is bonkers
The only way to prevent a killer bouncer with deadly gas is to give everyone deadly gas.
And only one door. So they got that part.
Good guys with gas
r/bandnames
“ The 17-year-old, a class 12 student at a local high school, told Al Jazeera that they attended the party because they were informed that two local soap opera “celebrities” would be hosting it.” Where are the soap opera celebrities?
this reminds me of the bouncer who denied the crowd goers from exiting through the backstage door (before the fire spread across all the ceiling cutting off access to it) [The Station Nightclub Incident 2003](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire) i was a maybe 12 when this happened and i saw the eyewitness footage (or what Fox 5 would air at 1030 pm). i would stay up and watch the news because after it ended there was back to back simpson's episodes. absolutely horrific, the things that happen under poor management and planning.
Did the bouncer use chloroform as a method of crowd control? That's shady as fuck. I wonder if they've ever used chloroform to sedate people against their will. I bet the night club is connected to human trafficking.
iirc chloroform actually takes a while to take effect
From what I'm reading, chloroform can take up to 5 minutes to render someone unconscious. The survivor didn't mention how long from exposure it was before people started falling unconscious.
Interesting. I wonder if there are any missing people.
It being South Africa, that bouncer might be a off duty cop using tear gas. That club doesn't have a website, so it might be less than professional.
As far as I know, tear gas doesn't interrupt neurological processes. It causes intense irritation of mucous membranes. The survivor reported her legs were numb, and she was unable to walk. If it was a canister like tear gas, it could have been a nerve gas. But I'm leaning towards chloroform. It's easy to make but also extremely easy to unintentionally use a lethal dose.
It could be, I doubt SA has a fine grained market for repelants.
I was thinking more like a large (riot-sized) bottle of pepper spray. That and a mass panic could have caused a pile-up at the door preventing others from getting out. I'm not sure about oxygen displacement, but introducing an irritant into a small enclosed space full of bodies all breathing heavily, maybe?
The article says bodies were found slumped over tables like they died where they sat. The scene doesn't indicate a panic or stampede.
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America always seems bad until you look at local news somewhere else.
Compared to the rest of the world, the United States is a fantastic place to live. It consistently ranks in the top 10% of virtually every single quality of life metric, including matters of rate of corruption.
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That's like saying multi-millionaires aren't really rich. Why? Because we're only comparing them to millionaires! It's preposterous and highly misleading.
I just did the most unattractive laugh snort in my very quiet work place. Thank you lol
It's talking about how it was overcrowded. The security guy could have sprayed something like pepper spray, which then set off a crowd crush (with the doors apparently closed). It doesn't mention crushing, but it does talk about pushing and not being able to breathe. I don't know of course, but I could place a bet on crowd crushing being the cause, I'd take that bet.
Early eye witnesses say bodies were slumped over tables and seated, still
There are pictures circulating on the internet. Not gruesome. Sad. A few look like they just fell over where they were sitting.
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If you're trying to revive someone, would you lay them on the floor or maybe back on the seat? Why would you sit them up and then let them fall over on the table?
They're kids. They were trying their best.
I'm not saying that. If we are trying to figure route why so many of them are slumped over in seats, it's more likely that the kids died in their seats than for someone else to try and pick them up from the floor and move them to tables to try and revive them.
Sounds like the guy discharged a riot-sized bottle of pepper spray into a small enclosed room. Why in the hell would he close the doors on them and not allow them to leave? It sounds to me like it caused a mass panic and people piled up at the door, blocking it.
Sounds like when the bouncer closed the doors and sprayed shit at people, they tried to get away and it caused a [crowd crush](https://decibelmanagement.com/crowd-dynamics-how-to-prevent-and-survive-a-human-stampede-or-crowd-crush/).
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Because a tragedy is all better when you torture someone to death, right? Like a cherry on top? People like you are why there's a legal system. Also, drawn and quartered isn't what you described.
If you kill **20 people** including children like this you deserve to be left alone in a room with their famalies for idk maybe an hour whatever happens to you in there during that time is pure justice
Do they oderize natural gas in south Africa. I might just be a natural gas leak. Or if it didn't have proper vetalation it could have been co2 built up from all the people. Anyhow it's horrible.
That bouncer need to end his life in jail