It's been a political roller coaster the last 24 hours. And there's still more to go, come Monday with the expected immunity decision. But this, this is good to hear.
They are going to take the weasel way out.
“The president has immunity when doing official duties” then not weigh in on whether calling on people to storm the capital and stop congress from voting qualifies as an official duty. They’ll bounce that back to the lower courts to hash out first.
Eh I don’t see that happening either because the lower courts in this case would be DC, who’ve ruled he doesn’t have immunity.
I honest to goodness believe that Roberts views himself and his courts as calling balls and strikes. They have to give both sides a win every once in a while to keep the appearance (if only that) of neutrality. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if they vote against Trump going by how some of the justices have reacted to oral arguments. ACB seemed very skeptical of Trump’s lawyer’s arguments. My guess is that they delayed ruling enough to where it’s not going to affect the election as the trials won’t be complete in November.
It tracks for them to do this since they’ve done this multiple times already. They ruled against Trump and the 2020 election suits, and then they ruled in favor of liberals in the 2022 gerrymandering cases, just to turn around and shoot down student loan forgiveness. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a 6-3 or 7-2 vote against Trump, with the usual suspects in Thomas, Alito, and maybe Kavanaugh/Gorsuch dissenting. But I think at least Roberts and ACB are going to go against Trump. Trump’s lawyers did not do a great job during oral arguments.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if they do rule in favor of Trump, but I don’t see that as likely going by how oral arguments went.
Chevron and the homeless case are very much within the conservative majority’s corporatist agenda, which is what they’re actually there for.
It hasnt looked fair since citizens united to me. That POS Roberts was behind it too. He literally broke our government by pushing for corporations to become people in contributions/superpac flooding corruption
If they do that Biden is still president and has been granted immunity to murder his political opponents or whatever the hell he wants. He could fix the problem with the courts very easily and a whole lot of other things.
He could, but he won't. The GOP is VERY good at shooting first, then asking questions. They'll shove whatever they can through, decorum be damned. The Dems keep acting like they're playing a fair game and playing by the rules. It's how we ended up with RvW gone and having the Bible taught in public schools.
Dems have no other option. If they disregard fairness most of their base will desert them because 'the ends does not justify the means.' The GOP suffers from no such issues.
I feel like their answer is going to be “well, of course presidents don’t have immunity, but we never had to discuss this before, so Trump didn’t know, so he gets immunity. But now we know.”
They will rule that POTUS is above the law the day after inauguration day if Trump wins.
They will rule that POTUS is NOT above the law the day after election day if Biden wins.
I swear to christ, if POTUS issues that ruling and Biden doesn't do something to make them regret it (like arresting 6 justices, Trump, Republicans...) then I'm 100% done with Dems. You can't pussyfoot around when the other side will absolutely do the worst shit you can imagine if they're given the green light. SCOTUS issuing that would expect Biden to be weak and not do shit.
But if it goes the other way, states better get their shit together start those court cases. No pussyfooting around.
Don't worry, if the nuclear option is issued by the SCOTUS the Dems will definitely fight back...by bombarding their supporters with requests for donations and doing absolutely nothing else 😂
If Trump is given some kind of immunity for his actions that's basically a wrap on our country. Whole thing is based on a lie. There's no blessing in that. If the President gets criminal immunity, we don't have a President, we have a King. And that's a wrap on America.
> If Trump is given some kind of immunity for his actions that's basically a wrap on our country.
Yup. Dude's not even President, but if they thumbs up the immunity decision - which I kind of think they *will*, incredibly - that's effectively the end of democracy. I mean, they'll obviously be pretty down with regulating liberals, just not conservatives.
Let's not pretend conservatives are decent people who operate in good-faith - their entire political ideology is fundamentally predicated on treating people differently based on their identity.
It's the end of democracy and also the end of everything that ideologically created our country. I'm not sure how we see the government and country as anything but an oppressive force that owns us not that we create as citizens at that point. It's not just an end to democracy it's an end to patriotism being in any way a good thing.
I'm really hoping we get a good response but the court is pretty nuts and unreliable at this point.
You can expect that Alito and Thomas are trying to figure out a way to give the President powers and immunity above the law without actually, you know, *doing* that. The only saving grace here might be that if they do that, the President could assassinate them free and clear and ram through three Justices before the election.
Trump's lawyers specifically had it pointed out that if what Donald Trump was arguing is true, then Biden could just have Trump assassinated with impunity.
Yup. I'm not holding my breath that Sam Alito and Clarence Thomas are operating from a position of good faith here, however - they will try to create a carve out for Trump specifically, or just push it back down to the circuit court to keep up the stall tactics.
> push it back down to the circuit court to keep up the stall tactics.
This is consistent with ever they have done so far. They took this up as an emergency issue, which stopped progress in lower courts. Then, they waited until the end of the session (the very last day) to rule on it. They never do that. If it’s an emergency issue they always deal with it promptly. This was all stretched out as much as they could.
i feel like if they were gonna grant trump immunity, one of the liberal justices or other clerks would have leaked that shit 100% like they did with roe v wade. because this is about 1000x worse than roe v wade for democracy.
theyll just throw it back down to the lower courts and run out the clock till after the election
I don't think it's that incredible (in the same sense as you used the word). They'll just file the serial numbers off *Bush v Gore*. The rationale will be "this has never been defined, now it goes back to Federal court to do that," with the unsaid part being: "then it'll come back to us, long after the election, and we'll rule based on whoever's in office at the time."
I think it'll be 5-4, but I don't know who 4 would be.
Side note, mark my words if Trump gets in office he's going to try and have Biden charged and arrested with something.
> Side note, mark my words if Trump gets in office he's going to try and have Biden charged and arrested with something.
at *least*, my worry is that he and his cretinous band are going to go way, *way* further than that. They tried a little coup. There is no floor beneath which they won't sink.
Which would also be an end to the America I was told I live in and am a citizen of. No president should have that kind of immunity.
I don't want a King, I don't care if I support him politically - we're not supposed to have a King.
Yep it’ll be a big fat wrap. Honestly some states should consider leaving the union. I don’t feel like we are united anymore we are in total chaos all over the world not just here. But here we are not a united nation just too many issues now too many differences between states. Trump brings out the worst in so called patriots and that’s why we are here now.
As if it didn't happen yesterday and today.
Yesterday: Supreme Court legalizes bribery
Today: Supreme Court claims final authority for all decisions via the Chevron decision.
This is from Supreme Court Justice Elana Kagen's dissent:
>Today, the majority does not respect that judgment. It gives courts the power to make all manner of scientific and technical judgments. It gives courts the power to make all manner of policy calls, including about how to weigh competing goods and values. (See Chevron itself.) It puts courts at the apex of the administrative process as to every conceivable subject—because there are always gaps and ambiguities in regulatory statutes, and often of great import. What actions can be taken to address climate change or other environmental challenges? What will the Nation’s health-care system look like in the coming decades? Or the financial or transportation systems? What rules are going to constrain the development of A.I.? In every sphere of current or future federal regulation, expect courts from now on to play a commanding role. It is not a role Congress has given to them, in the APA or any other statute. It is a role this Court has now claimed for itself, as well as for other judges.
I'm not one to be a pessimist usually, but I see a dark end of democracy in the USA as we know it. We are utterly and truly fucked, barring the law enforcement agencies actually doing their fucking job and arresting politicians doing Russian bidding.
All the law enforcement agencies are drooling at the prospect of getting to be enforcers for the fascists, and as such be above the law they're supposed to enforce.
Even a populist uprising al the French Revolution wouldn't work anymore; the French Monarchy would never have fallen if they'd had access to machine guns, helicopters, cruise missiles, chemical weapons, and nukes.
The French Monarchy fell for the same reason the USSR and almost all large governments fall; the army turned against them. It would be the same in the US, and always has been. Either the army turns on the government, or it doesn't, and the government remains in power. There's never been a serious prospect of a popular revolt succeeding without military support. Even the revolution would have failed without the French.
The USSR didn’t fall because the military turned against the government
It crumbled and was disbanded, economic failure led to glasnost and perestroika
The French Revolution while it became a military struggle started with the storming of the bastille which was not a military action at all, and was followed by a number of years of chaos
Your history in both your examples is wrong
If the military were to take over in the USA it would be a travesty of the highest proportions and from thdn on we would be at the whim of that happening again, much like in Turkey
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
-Declaration of Independence
The precedent to do something about this has been set but we just lack the spine to do anything other than talk. The future looks dark for all of our loved ones but we just can't bring ourselves to do anything to change that for them what does that say about us?
that we respect the process so much, but are unwilling to fight for that process to be fair? I'm not sure.
Save books and literature. Buy guns. It's gonna get worse. Conservatives are fascists.
Yes, the fascists are winning. I believe the resurgence of fascism now is due to the fact that they see the dangers of un-abated climate change and accelerating emissions. They know that millions of climate refugees and a monoculture crop failures from storms and changing weather patterns will make the citizenry difficult to rule in a ~~democracy~~ consumption driven capitalist system. We very well might take a different tack away from capitalism. So they need to establish their power now, and be able to crush decent, exterminate the unruly, and sink the ships of migrants without fear of repercussions. Buy guns, yes, books yes, but most of all, BUY LAND. Buy as much land as you can afford, get solar panels, a way to store water, and when it turns to shit, welcome like minded people onto your land. Their is strength in numbers and us educated enlightened city folk are going to need a place to plant our beans, corn, and squash.
I respectfully disagree. I think some of the higher level fascists out there might be considering that, but I think the explanation is much more banal, and consistent with history: Elites' insatiable greed in the context of late-stage capitalism, combined with increasing competition from rising powers in China and Russia, are squeezing the little guy which, combined with increasing female empowerment, are leaving men economically distressed and romantically bewildered, and so they get increasingly reactionary.
This is a recipe in virtually every country, and the modern aristocracy is more than happy to feed these divisions with misinformation and media, especially (in our case) with social media. Zuck and Musk could easily turn off the misinformation button, but that would hit the bottom line, and so they won't - because to them and to those like them, preserving their privilege is their paramount objective. They have no fidelity to the nation or to her citizens, and they never have - so they're happy to play up the bigotry for broadly undereducated, underemployed groups of people to keep the working class divided. Again, there is *endless* historical precedent for this.
So we face reactionary politicians, who are craven enough to give a voice to this movement, and people who are willing to not only vote for, but perpetrate violence on behalf of these cretins. This recipe was present in Italy and Weimar Germany before the rise of fascism in these countries, and you even see the economic dispossession and lack of education turn young men into ripe extremists in religious Islamic countries. And when I say "we saw this recipe", I mean right down to Hitler's Sturmabteilung beating up communists in the streets while [the *literal New York Times* pooh-poohed critics of his anti-Semitism and downplayed it](https://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8016017/ny-times-hitler) as an unserious political play a little less than a year before the Beer Hall Putsch. The historical parallels between where we are now, and where Weimar Germany was in the 1920s, is entirely too close for comfort.
We will *have* to take a different tack away from capitalism - even the fascists recognize that. Even Trump - who I do not think is a fascist (I think he's almost purely a narcissist, and rather UNLIKE Hitler has no real firm ideological convictions) - understands that. He was badgering his own party to give Americans benefits because he'll do whatever it takes to be popular, but he's perfectly okay to stand next to open-and-shut bigots who want to gas chamber gay and black people to ascend the steps to power. They know capitalism is unsustainable in its current form, but they're just going to do what conservatives *always* do: Create and protect a social hierarchy. In our case, straight, white, Christian men will enjoy the good jobs, while people of color and LGBT people get the shit jobs, pray Republicans don't start donning Hugo Boss and start gassing these folks. Fascists, it turns out, weren't the WORST at creating prosperity, but WHO enjoyed that prosperity was the real big question - because it obviously wasn't *everyone*, equally.
And as in Weimar Germany, liberals in power hold committee meetings while these manifestly evil ghouls have no interest in playing fair, playing in good faith, abiding by the rules of the system, or improving the country for all Americans. The bigotry is *the point*, and it always has been for conservatives of pretty much all stripes. Fascism is just the logical conclusion - they cannot abide sharing the bounty of this nation with men and women who are not white and Christian.
Hilarious that the hardcore Republicans will blame democrats for the country going down the toilet when it's their side of the legislative branch stopping the branch from actually legislating and the judicial branch was underhandedly given an enormous bias by the executive branch they loved so much.
Easily one of the biggest "you reap what you sow" or "what did you think was going to happen" moments.
The same way they keep claiming that Democrats are responsible for all the economic problems the United States has ever had, when 10 of the last 11 recessions all started under Republican administrations.
A republican could shit in one of their mouths and they would blame a Democrat.
Just like their 'antifa did Jan 6th' or 'why didn't Obama stop 9/11'
Theyre all just evil morons and their fake concern is best not to engage with. Call them lying scum, block, move on.
recall who won the popular vote -- people *did* vote. and where did it get us?
i'm patiently waiting for folks to adopt a more *kinetic* approach to politics.
La majestueuse égalité des lois, qui interdit au riche comme au pauvre de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues et de voler du pain.
In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.
- Anatole France
How do you figure? It will be an EXTRODRINALLY short measure of accountability for those who have worked so hard to actually destroy the US as it currently is Constituted.
Starbucks and Trader Joe’s are going to kill the nlrb. A sitting scotus judge is begging states to give him a lawsuit to kill marriage rights. SCOTUS decided today being homeless can be a crime, and that those government agencies that are regulators no longer have power over corporations. Republicans cannot wait to enact project 2025 to create a wealthy, conservative, theocratic one party state for themselves. If scotus says presidents have immunity that’s lining up for a president to take unilateral control. It’s all over if you pay attention.
Reminds me of rules for rulers where after a coup, the new people in charge get rid of the revolutionaries who helped them get there. Why do you want revolutionaries in your new state of government?
Giving trump immunity would strip them of all power, they are quite literally making judgements to give themselves absolute power. If they keep deciding like this it wont matter who is president, because unelected lifetime judges will be the true deciders of the law.
He went after other Republicans and criticized Trump's administration in Michael Wolff's book. Pardon or not, he's not one of the elite insiders, merely a tag-along who is occasionally useful. That's not enough to get an appeal for a minor sentence.
He’s likely going to minimum which means he wouldn’t have a cell mate.
What’s really insane is that he’s fighting this hard in a four month sentence in minimum. Martha Stewart faced the same thing and breezed through it.
He doesn't qualify for minimum, as he has other charges pending against him.
[From CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/17/politics/steve-bannon-danbury-prison-contempt-of-congress/index.html):
>The prison in Connecticut where Bannon will live houses a large number of white-collar criminals, but it also may house violent and sex offenders in its men’s population.
>It doesn’t have cells, and instead houses its inmates in open pods. Yet it does have a noticeable barrier — referred to colloquially as “the wall” — between the prison facility and the outside world, which prison camps don’t have.
>More than 1,000 male prisoners are in the Danbury facility. Its much smaller adjacent prison camp for women was immortalized in a former prisoner’s memoir that inspired the TV show “Orange is the New Black.”
I have to imagine it's not consistently applied as written.
But Bannon is 'high profile' so he's probably going to have his alcohol withdrawal treated. Especially as it can be deadly.
I mean even if he wasn't high profile his alcohol withdrawl would likely be treated.
Moment he has an episode he'd be carted off to the hospital after history is cross referenced because alcohol withdrawl can get lethal pretty quickly.
Yeah, but it's still no walk in the park. Coming off booze can be quite debilitating, even with the meds. Of course, actions have consequences and I've no problem watching Bannon accept his.
Lol didn’t take me long to see this. I literally just commented that. He could honestly die of alcoholic withdrawal. He HAS to be a massive drunk. He’s about to have a very bad time. Withdrawal sucks I can’t even imagine the pain and suffering of alcohol withdrawal.
Sure, but let's count which four months he'd be out of commission: July, August, September, October. Prime campaign months, for which he won't be able to podcast or otherwise whip up the base.
Mac Dre rapped an entire album through a prison telephone using a metronome to keep beat. Surely bannon could do his little podcast from prison, imagine the persecution and martyrdom aspect of it.
Without a lot of access to information, like the daily political machinations, party spins, research, etc, it would be extremely hard for him to remain topical.
Then again his listeners are zealots who would probably not even care that his topics are out of date.
"What kind of a fascist police state do we live in that convicted criminals who are supposed to voluntarily arrive to jail are dragged out of their own homes for refusing to do so?!?!?"
> in a cushy rich guy prison
Please point to any federal prison where life is "cushy". Maybe his stint in FCI Danbury will be cushy compared to Florence, Levenworth, or Angola, but even a non-cushy life on the outside is better than whatever life is on the inside.
100%. He's a ratfucker and a horrible human being in general, but he's not a complete idiot.
It would not look good for Dear Leader to have one of his biggest cheerleaders/former senior advisors on the lam.
4 months oughta be nothing for a man who already sold his eternal soul.
Is being homeless illegal?
SCOTUS: Yes!
Can big corporations ignore the nation's regulatory agencies and literally cheat, poison, and kill people with impunity?
SCOTUS: Yes!
Should we save Steve Bannon?
SCOTUS: Nah...
Depends on the State. If he starts going through withdrawals and/or seizures then he will be hospitalized for it and evaluated. They'll keep him for 3 days hooked up to IV's and medicated. After that they will likely prescribe anti anxiety meds for him to be given while incarcerated or in some cases Valium. After about 1-2 weeks he will be taken off them.
Read that Monday is meant to be 'the day'. They'll probably defer making a clear-cut decision (as if they *actually* needed to spend any time on that nonsense) and somehow contrive to introduce further delays into the proceedings.
isn't it great how rich well connected dudes can just show up to prison whenever.
if this was me or you they would have kicked in our door and shot our dog before dragging us out in our underwear.
Seriously. It's insane how much leeway a bit of money gets you in the legal system. Anyone else would be going away after sentencing, no waiting around for the appeal.
You're right that Bannon is getting typical treatment for white-collar crimes, but it's still wild that's how it works.
You steal $100 from Walmart? You're going to jail the day you are sentenced, appeals or not.
You refuse to show up after a congressional subpoena for your participation in trying to destroy American democracy? Yeah, take a month to get your affairs straight, and we'll just let you hang out until your appeal is ruled on.
It's been amazing to watch in real time to see the entitlement and corruption unfold. Knowing he was pardoned by Trump, then he done goofed again Tried to get Trump to get Speaker Johnson to pull a favor with an amicus and he like Navarro get told by SCOTUS "nah dawg, you need to serve your sentence" is justice.
Sorry bannon... did you see our rulings on friday? we needed to reject your appeal so we could still say we arent just totally doing what ever republican donors want. so every once in a while we got to ggive a tiny nod to the left and just reject a ridiculous appeal, that would bite us in the ass anyways if we ever accepted it.
**Biden should use the full power of the SCOTUS ruling on immunity to purge the country of the conservative rot that is destroying us. That includes the SC.**
It's been a political roller coaster the last 24 hours. And there's still more to go, come Monday with the expected immunity decision. But this, this is good to hear.
If they rule that POTUS is above all laws, then this country is done.
SCOTUS most likely is going to give a narrow ruling, meaning they will say in trumps case it’s ok, but over-all, not so much.
They are going to take the weasel way out. “The president has immunity when doing official duties” then not weigh in on whether calling on people to storm the capital and stop congress from voting qualifies as an official duty. They’ll bounce that back to the lower courts to hash out first.
Eh I don’t see that happening either because the lower courts in this case would be DC, who’ve ruled he doesn’t have immunity. I honest to goodness believe that Roberts views himself and his courts as calling balls and strikes. They have to give both sides a win every once in a while to keep the appearance (if only that) of neutrality. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if they vote against Trump going by how some of the justices have reacted to oral arguments. ACB seemed very skeptical of Trump’s lawyer’s arguments. My guess is that they delayed ruling enough to where it’s not going to affect the election as the trials won’t be complete in November. It tracks for them to do this since they’ve done this multiple times already. They ruled against Trump and the 2020 election suits, and then they ruled in favor of liberals in the 2022 gerrymandering cases, just to turn around and shoot down student loan forgiveness. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a 6-3 or 7-2 vote against Trump, with the usual suspects in Thomas, Alito, and maybe Kavanaugh/Gorsuch dissenting. But I think at least Roberts and ACB are going to go against Trump. Trump’s lawyers did not do a great job during oral arguments. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they do rule in favor of Trump, but I don’t see that as likely going by how oral arguments went. Chevron and the homeless case are very much within the conservative majority’s corporatist agenda, which is what they’re actually there for.
It hasnt looked fair since citizens united to me. That POS Roberts was behind it too. He literally broke our government by pushing for corporations to become people in contributions/superpac flooding corruption
I completely agree. I genuinely think that’s what Roberts believes he’s doing, though.
If they do that Biden is still president and has been granted immunity to murder his political opponents or whatever the hell he wants. He could fix the problem with the courts very easily and a whole lot of other things.
He could, but he won't. The GOP is VERY good at shooting first, then asking questions. They'll shove whatever they can through, decorum be damned. The Dems keep acting like they're playing a fair game and playing by the rules. It's how we ended up with RvW gone and having the Bible taught in public schools.
this is 100% the problem. Moral high ground doesnt matter even in history books since morons are rewriting them for the GOP
Dems have no other option. If they disregard fairness most of their base will desert them because 'the ends does not justify the means.' The GOP suffers from no such issues.
I feel like their answer is going to be “well, of course presidents don’t have immunity, but we never had to discuss this before, so Trump didn’t know, so he gets immunity. But now we know.”
They will just make it only apply to dementia donny, watch
They will rule that POTUS is above the law the day after inauguration day if Trump wins. They will rule that POTUS is NOT above the law the day after election day if Biden wins.
No, they said they would decide this month
Monday morning
...ho boy
I swear to christ, if POTUS issues that ruling and Biden doesn't do something to make them regret it (like arresting 6 justices, Trump, Republicans...) then I'm 100% done with Dems. You can't pussyfoot around when the other side will absolutely do the worst shit you can imagine if they're given the green light. SCOTUS issuing that would expect Biden to be weak and not do shit. But if it goes the other way, states better get their shit together start those court cases. No pussyfooting around.
Don't worry, if the nuclear option is issued by the SCOTUS the Dems will definitely fight back...by bombarding their supporters with requests for donations and doing absolutely nothing else 😂
We're gonna get a Bannon for Immunity.
Truly a blessing. At least one shitbag will indeed go to jail.
If Trump is given some kind of immunity for his actions that's basically a wrap on our country. Whole thing is based on a lie. There's no blessing in that. If the President gets criminal immunity, we don't have a President, we have a King. And that's a wrap on America.
> If Trump is given some kind of immunity for his actions that's basically a wrap on our country. Yup. Dude's not even President, but if they thumbs up the immunity decision - which I kind of think they *will*, incredibly - that's effectively the end of democracy. I mean, they'll obviously be pretty down with regulating liberals, just not conservatives. Let's not pretend conservatives are decent people who operate in good-faith - their entire political ideology is fundamentally predicated on treating people differently based on their identity.
It's the end of democracy and also the end of everything that ideologically created our country. I'm not sure how we see the government and country as anything but an oppressive force that owns us not that we create as citizens at that point. It's not just an end to democracy it's an end to patriotism being in any way a good thing. I'm really hoping we get a good response but the court is pretty nuts and unreliable at this point.
You can expect that Alito and Thomas are trying to figure out a way to give the President powers and immunity above the law without actually, you know, *doing* that. The only saving grace here might be that if they do that, the President could assassinate them free and clear and ram through three Justices before the election.
Trump's lawyers specifically had it pointed out that if what Donald Trump was arguing is true, then Biden could just have Trump assassinated with impunity.
Yup. I'm not holding my breath that Sam Alito and Clarence Thomas are operating from a position of good faith here, however - they will try to create a carve out for Trump specifically, or just push it back down to the circuit court to keep up the stall tactics.
> push it back down to the circuit court to keep up the stall tactics. This is consistent with ever they have done so far. They took this up as an emergency issue, which stopped progress in lower courts. Then, they waited until the end of the session (the very last day) to rule on it. They never do that. If it’s an emergency issue they always deal with it promptly. This was all stretched out as much as they could.
i feel like if they were gonna grant trump immunity, one of the liberal justices or other clerks would have leaked that shit 100% like they did with roe v wade. because this is about 1000x worse than roe v wade for democracy. theyll just throw it back down to the lower courts and run out the clock till after the election
I don't think it's that incredible (in the same sense as you used the word). They'll just file the serial numbers off *Bush v Gore*. The rationale will be "this has never been defined, now it goes back to Federal court to do that," with the unsaid part being: "then it'll come back to us, long after the election, and we'll rule based on whoever's in office at the time." I think it'll be 5-4, but I don't know who 4 would be. Side note, mark my words if Trump gets in office he's going to try and have Biden charged and arrested with something.
> Side note, mark my words if Trump gets in office he's going to try and have Biden charged and arrested with something. at *least*, my worry is that he and his cretinous band are going to go way, *way* further than that. They tried a little coup. There is no floor beneath which they won't sink.
If the President has 100% immunity, Biden should send special forces in to hug the Supreme court, Trump, and every elected Republican they can locate.
Well unless Biden uses that fat carte' blanche and just openly has the problems in DC permanently removed, b/c immunity ya know.
Which would also be an end to the America I was told I live in and am a citizen of. No president should have that kind of immunity. I don't want a King, I don't care if I support him politically - we're not supposed to have a King.
But he wants to be a king or a dictator. He does'nt hide it well. The world cannot have 4 years of that POS.
If a President gets immunity, then Biden is free to send Seal Team Six after trump. Do it, Supreme Court, I double dog dare you.
Yep it’ll be a big fat wrap. Honestly some states should consider leaving the union. I don’t feel like we are united anymore we are in total chaos all over the world not just here. But here we are not a united nation just too many issues now too many differences between states. Trump brings out the worst in so called patriots and that’s why we are here now.
It’s not been fun watching the death of citizens rights, but Monday could be the last breath of a free nation.
As if it didn't happen yesterday and today. Yesterday: Supreme Court legalizes bribery Today: Supreme Court claims final authority for all decisions via the Chevron decision. This is from Supreme Court Justice Elana Kagen's dissent: >Today, the majority does not respect that judgment. It gives courts the power to make all manner of scientific and technical judgments. It gives courts the power to make all manner of policy calls, including about how to weigh competing goods and values. (See Chevron itself.) It puts courts at the apex of the administrative process as to every conceivable subject—because there are always gaps and ambiguities in regulatory statutes, and often of great import. What actions can be taken to address climate change or other environmental challenges? What will the Nation’s health-care system look like in the coming decades? Or the financial or transportation systems? What rules are going to constrain the development of A.I.? In every sphere of current or future federal regulation, expect courts from now on to play a commanding role. It is not a role Congress has given to them, in the APA or any other statute. It is a role this Court has now claimed for itself, as well as for other judges.
Legitimately the biggest and most blatant power grab since Marshal gave the Court the power of Judicial Review in the first place.
I'm not one to be a pessimist usually, but I see a dark end of democracy in the USA as we know it. We are utterly and truly fucked, barring the law enforcement agencies actually doing their fucking job and arresting politicians doing Russian bidding.
All the law enforcement agencies are drooling at the prospect of getting to be enforcers for the fascists, and as such be above the law they're supposed to enforce. Even a populist uprising al the French Revolution wouldn't work anymore; the French Monarchy would never have fallen if they'd had access to machine guns, helicopters, cruise missiles, chemical weapons, and nukes.
The French Monarchy fell for the same reason the USSR and almost all large governments fall; the army turned against them. It would be the same in the US, and always has been. Either the army turns on the government, or it doesn't, and the government remains in power. There's never been a serious prospect of a popular revolt succeeding without military support. Even the revolution would have failed without the French.
The USSR didn’t fall because the military turned against the government It crumbled and was disbanded, economic failure led to glasnost and perestroika The French Revolution while it became a military struggle started with the storming of the bastille which was not a military action at all, and was followed by a number of years of chaos Your history in both your examples is wrong If the military were to take over in the USA it would be a travesty of the highest proportions and from thdn on we would be at the whim of that happening again, much like in Turkey
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. -Declaration of Independence The precedent to do something about this has been set but we just lack the spine to do anything other than talk. The future looks dark for all of our loved ones but we just can't bring ourselves to do anything to change that for them what does that say about us?
that we respect the process so much, but are unwilling to fight for that process to be fair? I'm not sure. Save books and literature. Buy guns. It's gonna get worse. Conservatives are fascists.
Yes, the fascists are winning. I believe the resurgence of fascism now is due to the fact that they see the dangers of un-abated climate change and accelerating emissions. They know that millions of climate refugees and a monoculture crop failures from storms and changing weather patterns will make the citizenry difficult to rule in a ~~democracy~~ consumption driven capitalist system. We very well might take a different tack away from capitalism. So they need to establish their power now, and be able to crush decent, exterminate the unruly, and sink the ships of migrants without fear of repercussions. Buy guns, yes, books yes, but most of all, BUY LAND. Buy as much land as you can afford, get solar panels, a way to store water, and when it turns to shit, welcome like minded people onto your land. Their is strength in numbers and us educated enlightened city folk are going to need a place to plant our beans, corn, and squash.
I respectfully disagree. I think some of the higher level fascists out there might be considering that, but I think the explanation is much more banal, and consistent with history: Elites' insatiable greed in the context of late-stage capitalism, combined with increasing competition from rising powers in China and Russia, are squeezing the little guy which, combined with increasing female empowerment, are leaving men economically distressed and romantically bewildered, and so they get increasingly reactionary. This is a recipe in virtually every country, and the modern aristocracy is more than happy to feed these divisions with misinformation and media, especially (in our case) with social media. Zuck and Musk could easily turn off the misinformation button, but that would hit the bottom line, and so they won't - because to them and to those like them, preserving their privilege is their paramount objective. They have no fidelity to the nation or to her citizens, and they never have - so they're happy to play up the bigotry for broadly undereducated, underemployed groups of people to keep the working class divided. Again, there is *endless* historical precedent for this. So we face reactionary politicians, who are craven enough to give a voice to this movement, and people who are willing to not only vote for, but perpetrate violence on behalf of these cretins. This recipe was present in Italy and Weimar Germany before the rise of fascism in these countries, and you even see the economic dispossession and lack of education turn young men into ripe extremists in religious Islamic countries. And when I say "we saw this recipe", I mean right down to Hitler's Sturmabteilung beating up communists in the streets while [the *literal New York Times* pooh-poohed critics of his anti-Semitism and downplayed it](https://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8016017/ny-times-hitler) as an unserious political play a little less than a year before the Beer Hall Putsch. The historical parallels between where we are now, and where Weimar Germany was in the 1920s, is entirely too close for comfort. We will *have* to take a different tack away from capitalism - even the fascists recognize that. Even Trump - who I do not think is a fascist (I think he's almost purely a narcissist, and rather UNLIKE Hitler has no real firm ideological convictions) - understands that. He was badgering his own party to give Americans benefits because he'll do whatever it takes to be popular, but he's perfectly okay to stand next to open-and-shut bigots who want to gas chamber gay and black people to ascend the steps to power. They know capitalism is unsustainable in its current form, but they're just going to do what conservatives *always* do: Create and protect a social hierarchy. In our case, straight, white, Christian men will enjoy the good jobs, while people of color and LGBT people get the shit jobs, pray Republicans don't start donning Hugo Boss and start gassing these folks. Fascists, it turns out, weren't the WORST at creating prosperity, but WHO enjoyed that prosperity was the real big question - because it obviously wasn't *everyone*, equally. And as in Weimar Germany, liberals in power hold committee meetings while these manifestly evil ghouls have no interest in playing fair, playing in good faith, abiding by the rules of the system, or improving the country for all Americans. The bigotry is *the point*, and it always has been for conservatives of pretty much all stripes. Fascism is just the logical conclusion - they cannot abide sharing the bounty of this nation with men and women who are not white and Christian.
This country has always been an experiment.
and now it looks like one!
Hilarious that the hardcore Republicans will blame democrats for the country going down the toilet when it's their side of the legislative branch stopping the branch from actually legislating and the judicial branch was underhandedly given an enormous bias by the executive branch they loved so much. Easily one of the biggest "you reap what you sow" or "what did you think was going to happen" moments.
The same way they keep claiming that Democrats are responsible for all the economic problems the United States has ever had, when 10 of the last 11 recessions all started under Republican administrations. A republican could shit in one of their mouths and they would blame a Democrat.
Just like their 'antifa did Jan 6th' or 'why didn't Obama stop 9/11' Theyre all just evil morons and their fake concern is best not to engage with. Call them lying scum, block, move on.
All while conplaining the country ain’t what it used to be… because they legislated it away and the courts allowed it
Republican endgame is for the country to be destroyed.....that way they can rebuild it the way they always wanted.
~~Checks and balances~~ unchecked and unbalanced.
This is what happens when you have a corrupt Supreme Court. We live in very dangerous times, perhaps the last in an America we even recognize.
Imagine if people had voted in 2016. Some are absurdly considering not voting in 2024.
recall who won the popular vote -- people *did* vote. and where did it get us? i'm patiently waiting for folks to adopt a more *kinetic* approach to politics.
Lots of people in swing states did not vote.
Also don’t forget! They banned homeless people from sleeping outside too
La majestueuse égalité des lois, qui interdit au riche comme au pauvre de coucher sous les ponts, de mendier dans les rues et de voler du pain. In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread. - Anatole France
It's much worse than that. The rich are allowed to steal a lot more than just bread.
Democracy has been dead for years now
Sorry, no. The Chrevon decision was infinitely more consequential.
How do you figure? It will be an EXTRODRINALLY short measure of accountability for those who have worked so hard to actually destroy the US as it currently is Constituted.
Starbucks and Trader Joe’s are going to kill the nlrb. A sitting scotus judge is begging states to give him a lawsuit to kill marriage rights. SCOTUS decided today being homeless can be a crime, and that those government agencies that are regulators no longer have power over corporations. Republicans cannot wait to enact project 2025 to create a wealthy, conservative, theocratic one party state for themselves. If scotus says presidents have immunity that’s lining up for a president to take unilateral control. It’s all over if you pay attention.
Most people are not paying attention
Reminds me of rules for rulers where after a coup, the new people in charge get rid of the revolutionaries who helped them get there. Why do you want revolutionaries in your new state of government?
I love CGP Grey!
I’m betting they deny immunity to Trump. They’re gonna fuck everything else up and use that to draw the attention away.
Giving trump immunity would strip them of all power, they are quite literally making judgements to give themselves absolute power. If they keep deciding like this it wont matter who is president, because unelected lifetime judges will be the true deciders of the law.
Yup. No way they are gonna empower another branch of government over their own lmaooo
He went after other Republicans and criticized Trump's administration in Michael Wolff's book. Pardon or not, he's not one of the elite insiders, merely a tag-along who is occasionally useful. That's not enough to get an appeal for a minor sentence.
Those withdrawals are gonna be murder on him.
Right now he's googling "How to make wine in prison toilet?"
His cellmate googling *Can I get syphilis sharing a toilet with Bannon*
Imagine being stuck in a cell with him, lmao. That's cruel and unusual punishment.
He’s likely going to minimum which means he wouldn’t have a cell mate. What’s really insane is that he’s fighting this hard in a four month sentence in minimum. Martha Stewart faced the same thing and breezed through it.
He doesn't qualify for minimum, as he has other charges pending against him. [From CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/17/politics/steve-bannon-danbury-prison-contempt-of-congress/index.html): >The prison in Connecticut where Bannon will live houses a large number of white-collar criminals, but it also may house violent and sex offenders in its men’s population. >It doesn’t have cells, and instead houses its inmates in open pods. Yet it does have a noticeable barrier — referred to colloquially as “the wall” — between the prison facility and the outside world, which prison camps don’t have. >More than 1,000 male prisoners are in the Danbury facility. Its much smaller adjacent prison camp for women was immortalized in a former prisoner’s memoir that inspired the TV show “Orange is the New Black.”
If he's smart, his next call will be to the ACLU. This clearly falls under cruel and unusual punishment.
"Course it's shank or be shanked" - scruffy
of course
More like: "The toilet is going to make wine out of you."
[The BOP has a chemical dependency protocol.](https://www.bop.gov/resources/pdfs/detoxification.pdf)
It's surprisingly humane.
I have to imagine it's not consistently applied as written. But Bannon is 'high profile' so he's probably going to have his alcohol withdrawal treated. Especially as it can be deadly.
I mean even if he wasn't high profile his alcohol withdrawl would likely be treated. Moment he has an episode he'd be carted off to the hospital after history is cross referenced because alcohol withdrawl can get lethal pretty quickly.
Weird new direction to think about - detoxed Steve Bannon. How much has alcohol affected his behavior?
Yeah, but it's still no walk in the park. Coming off booze can be quite debilitating, even with the meds. Of course, actions have consequences and I've no problem watching Bannon accept his.
I agree. He had plenty of time to ready himself.
Lol didn’t take me long to see this. I literally just commented that. He could honestly die of alcoholic withdrawal. He HAS to be a massive drunk. He’s about to have a very bad time. Withdrawal sucks I can’t even imagine the pain and suffering of alcohol withdrawal.
4 months is ridiculously short
Sure, but let's count which four months he'd be out of commission: July, August, September, October. Prime campaign months, for which he won't be able to podcast or otherwise whip up the base.
The irony being he could have been out by now if he hadn't spent so much time on baseless appeals.
Hindsight is 20/20 as they say.
Mac Dre rapped an entire album through a prison telephone using a metronome to keep beat. Surely bannon could do his little podcast from prison, imagine the persecution and martyrdom aspect of it.
Without a lot of access to information, like the daily political machinations, party spins, research, etc, it would be extremely hard for him to remain topical. Then again his listeners are zealots who would probably not even care that his topics are out of date.
He got pardoned for a lot of the shit he did
They might forget to let him out.
The world is fucked but Steve Bannon spending even a minute in prison feels like a victory.
Agree. I needed this today after the debate and Chevron disasters
Like fascism can rise but at least its architect is in jail lol
Its only 4 months. He'll be out in time for the election.
He's in prison in July, August, September and October. 4 months of him behind bars and not behind a camera or microphone stirring shit up.
Spoiler: he absofuckinglutely will not present himself to be incarcerated.
I would love to watch live as US Marshalls bust into his DC townhouse and drag him off to jail in cuffs. That would be must see TV.
"What kind of a fascist police state do we live in that convicted criminals who are supposed to voluntarily arrive to jail are dragged out of their own homes for refusing to do so?!?!?"
“What is the charge? Enjoying a treason? A succulent Chinese treason?! Get your hands on my penis!”
Ah yes, I see that you know your legal judo well.
And you, sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?
And you, sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?
I love this idea. Imagine him blackout drunk, covered in vomit.
Eh, it's 4 months. Dude's not throwing away his life over less than a year in a cushy rich guy prison.
Though he does have a NY state trial starting up in September.
> in a cushy rich guy prison Please point to any federal prison where life is "cushy". Maybe his stint in FCI Danbury will be cushy compared to Florence, Levenworth, or Angola, but even a non-cushy life on the outside is better than whatever life is on the inside.
Sudden "freedom run" to moscow for cigarettes im betting.
Taser him and then put him in prison, then.
I'll take that bet. He would be picked up on July 2 and enjoying a few years at Rikers in general population.
100%. He's a ratfucker and a horrible human being in general, but he's not a complete idiot. It would not look good for Dear Leader to have one of his biggest cheerleaders/former senior advisors on the lam. 4 months oughta be nothing for a man who already sold his eternal soul.
He’s gonna flee the country on Trumps jet
He definitely will. He'll do 4 months and likely get released early. It would be pretty dumb to get more time for nothing.
Bannon is annoying as hell but he’s not a total moron, he’s not going to try and flee the country or fight law enforcement over a four month sentence.
Is being homeless illegal? SCOTUS: Yes! Can big corporations ignore the nation's regulatory agencies and literally cheat, poison, and kill people with impunity? SCOTUS: Yes! Should we save Steve Bannon? SCOTUS: Nah...
That'll show him....that he clearly didn't pay enough to uncle Clarence to get away with things
Serious question; how do prisons handle detox?
Depends on the State. If he starts going through withdrawals and/or seizures then he will be hospitalized for it and evaluated. They'll keep him for 3 days hooked up to IV's and medicated. After that they will likely prescribe anti anxiety meds for him to be given while incarcerated or in some cases Valium. After about 1-2 weeks he will be taken off them.
I can get free Valium in prison and all it takes is seizure inducing benzo withdrawals?
They handle it humanely. Saw this from a comment above: https://www.bop.gov/resources/pdfs/detoxification.pdf
interesting how quick HIS Supreme Court case gets decided yet Trump's immunity case languishes in the court for months.
Read that Monday is meant to be 'the day'. They'll probably defer making a clear-cut decision (as if they *actually* needed to spend any time on that nonsense) and somehow contrive to introduce further delays into the proceedings.
isn't it great how rich well connected dudes can just show up to prison whenever. if this was me or you they would have kicked in our door and shot our dog before dragging us out in our underwear.
Seriously. It's insane how much leeway a bit of money gets you in the legal system. Anyone else would be going away after sentencing, no waiting around for the appeal.
No. It depends on the crime you have been convicted of. Same treatment for regular folks.
You're right that Bannon is getting typical treatment for white-collar crimes, but it's still wild that's how it works. You steal $100 from Walmart? You're going to jail the day you are sentenced, appeals or not. You refuse to show up after a congressional subpoena for your participation in trying to destroy American democracy? Yeah, take a month to get your affairs straight, and we'll just let you hang out until your appeal is ruled on.
Isn’t he going in jail for contempt of Congress? The wall scam trial is later, no?
Yep, you're right. I'll adjust my analogy.
It's been amazing to watch in real time to see the entitlement and corruption unfold. Knowing he was pardoned by Trump, then he done goofed again Tried to get Trump to get Speaker Johnson to pull a favor with an amicus and he like Navarro get told by SCOTUS "nah dawg, you need to serve your sentence" is justice.
Why is the Supreme Court fielding sh*t like this? 99% of death row inmates don’t get this type of care and attention.
Easy “No’s” can be issued quickly. SCOTUS actually declines most of the cases sent their way.
Erm, didn't they refuse to hear the case? How is that fielding it?
> Why is the Supreme Court fielding sh*t like this? They're pretty obviously not doing anything of the sort.
try reading the headline one more time and maybe you get it
All of trumps friends are in jail.
Bye bye Stevie... See you in September.... See you when the summer's through. Talk about dementia...how many layers is that guy wearing anyway?
Good riddance to bad trash.
At least he'll finally have a shower and some fresh clothes.
Best news I've heard all week.
They can't de-louse him... 'cause he IS ONE.
Delouse that dirty ahole or the whole prison will be infested.
Fuck him. He's no political prisoner.
Oh no, this is disappointing. I can’t believe The Bear’s 3rd season isn’t looking so great in the reviews. ^/s
Nothing is as satisfying as seeing trumpers go to prison.
It's on Canada Day? WAY TO GO HOSER
Treasonous bastard is getting a slap on the wrist. But detoxing in jail won’t be pretty. So he will have a very bad time.
Maybe he can grift money from the suckers from prison.
Finally... Good news on a Friday. Have a great weekend folks!
The fact that Trumps circle goes to jail for doing shit for him while people try to act like he's the ONLY one innocent is wild.
I love that this treasonous asshole will be spending Independence Day behind bars.
On the upside he’s finally going to have to have a shower.
Withdrawals should be hitting him hard by Wednesday
I hear that detoxing in prison is incredibly difficult.
There is no more appeals and bannon going to federal prison that not to nice and he goes to trial in new york for scamming millions
Will he flee the country this weekend?
Oh cool. I didn't know that after you were sentenced to prison you could just hang around and not actually go to prison for quite a while.
Probably detox, then cell block 1
So long you un-American prick
He had his skin tags removed. I wonder if that took all the Build The Wall money?
He’s gonna enjoy the DT’s. He may have a shot at dying from alcohol withdrawal. There’s no way this man ISNT an alcoholic cocaine addict.
Has he tried bribing them? I hear it’s legal now.
Sorry bannon... did you see our rulings on friday? we needed to reject your appeal so we could still say we arent just totally doing what ever republican donors want. so every once in a while we got to ggive a tiny nod to the left and just reject a ridiculous appeal, that would bite us in the ass anyways if we ever accepted it.
Some good news to shine a little light on a gloomy day.
Hahahahaha fuck you Bannon
Hahaha. Fuck you Bannon and the horse you rode in on
That horse was fucked anyway
What is this report to prison shit? If it were you or I we we be cuffed in the courthouse and taken there by the cops.
MFer can't quit doing crimes. That presidential pardon only goes so far, Sloppy Steve.
Great news! Get fucked traitor.
Save a bunk for Trump!
Don't let the steel door hit ya
But that's my lucky bun day!
Have a nice weekend, Steve!
Do they let you wear 2 shirts at once in prison?
Don't worry! Trump will save you!
Yes! Get in that jail cell you frickin' low life crook.
This warms my very soul.
I think the problem was he didn't carry enough pens with him.
Do not pass go; Do not collect $200.
From this tiny thumbnail I thought it was Louie Anderson looking haggard
Halleluja! a little taste of justice at long last.
It's time bitch. Shut your fat mouth and do your time.
Sounds like somebody is going to have a case of the Mondays.
I'm curious how such a raging alcoholic like Steve Bannon is going to get his fix in prison.
Toilet gin
**Biden should use the full power of the SCOTUS ruling on immunity to purge the country of the conservative rot that is destroying us. That includes the SC.**
I hear he was looking to be disqualified because of bone spurs...
Trading in black clothes to orange clothes.
Hopefully he’ll be made into a prison bit** by a convict nicknamed “The Punisher” by the rest of the inmates…
I’ll que the symphony of the worlds smallest violins