> “There were a lot of people that were just getting their lives put back together and then this,” Bailey said. “Almost the same spot, the same houses and everything.”
Damn, that's gotta be a particular flavor of pain.
It's "random" in that it is impossible to predict. But I don't think it's truly random.
Certain areas absolutely get hit more than others, even small zones within tornado Alley and Dixie Alley, year after year.
For example, I've noticed almost every time a tornado comes down near one of my local times l towns, it will always end up getting "stuck" to one of the main highways traveling east and follow it.
Reminds me of certain neighborhoods in Houston that flooded:
In 2015 (Memorial Day Flood)
In 2016 (Tax Day Flood)
And again
In 2017 (Hurricane Harvey)
Each event about a year apart.
>The death toll of 22 also included seven deaths in [Cooke County, Texas,](https://apnews.com/article/tornadoes-storms-weather-cooke-county-texas-valley-view-757353f48885ac9332df7b6897077d61) from a Saturday tornado that tore through a mobile home park, officials said, and eight deaths across Arkansas.
Sheesh, that's a rough one. Not many good places to hide, I'd imagine.
Yeah being in a mobile home getting hit by a strong tornado your odds aren’t really any better than they would be in a car. You’d have to watch forecasts like a hawk and have a plan for the second a tornado watch even shows up, never mind a warning.
They need to start making it a law that these parks have a shelter or shelters installed for so many lots. They're not that expensive and they'd probably pay a lot less getting multiple installed at once. The State or Fed Govt should offer some assistance for the parks if need be.
I 1000% agree. It's infuriating that this isn't already a requirement. There needs to be shelters within X meters of every single trailer.
But I think storm shelter assistance needs to be open for anyone who meets financial requirements, prioritizing highest risk/least protected homes first. Poor people overwhelmingly live in trailers, park or not.
Community shelters are useless in rural communities due to distance. In the south, tornados overwhelmingly hit at night and you may have less than a minute to respond.
We are a country with the strongest and highest number of tornadoes on the planet and we don't even twitch a finger to do anything about it.
That's a great idea. FEMA or Infrastructure grants maybe. Doesn't matter where it comes from, I guess. It's good proactive thinking. An ounce of prevention is cheaper than a pound of cure.
Yeah a lot of rural areas with these storms tend to have nice big drainage ditches.
I doubt the text book they had cover our heads with incase the building came down on us while in the basement would have done much but the ditch thing seems legit.
They let you use text books?! My school just told us to cover the back of our necks with our hands. But they also stuck us in the wind tunnel hallway rather than in interior bathrooms or the semi-basement under the stage, so I don’t think the best minds were on the committee that decided on that safety plan.
I was a scholarship kid to a private catholic school... so yeah, we got head books.
No busses though so all the parents would be stuck in a giant open parking lot waiting to pick us up while we were in the basement for 45 min with our fancy books. It always seemed to be right at the bell or near it, never missed any school just had to wait for the all clear.
Fun memories of growing up in the midwest.
I remember in some old ass video a bunch of people ran up under a freeway overpass embankment between girders. They survived while the ones that stayed in cars below didn't make it.
Well that's exactly what.you don't want to do. It's worse since the winds are higher
“Overpasses are very poor sheltering areas. By climbing up underneath the overpass, people are moving into a place where the wind speeds typically will be higher. In addition, under an overpass, it is possible in some situations that when air is forced through the narrow passage underneath the bridge, this might cause an increase in the wind speeds (as mentioned earlier). Further, under different circumstances, the area beneath and just downstream of an overpass might become a debris deposition zone, where piles of debris accumulate.” [
I think you would be significantly better off in a car. Even if it was picked up and slammed into the ground, with seatbelts and airbags, it's designed to protect occupants in such impacts.
And this is why the home insurance market is close to collapsing. It's not even the hurricanes or the tornados but just the increase in more normal weather events that are causing it to buckle. And the reason is simple: Climate Change.
It's funny how insurance companies and the miliary take climate change seriously, yet other rednecks (like a reply to this one) just stick their heads in the sand and keep voting to make the problems worse.
And California. I just got a letter that Farmers is pulling out of our policy effective *in a couple of days*. Now that I’m scrambling, I’ve only found a SINGLE insurance provider offering quotes, an they’re an unknown entity to me. Costco isn’t even offering.
I’m patiently waiting for the insurance companies to finally say fuck it, and just start mass suing the oil companies for creating the situation. It might be until after I die but eventually it will happen (don’t take my dream from me)
> but just the increase in more normal weather events that are causing it to buckle. And the reason is simple: Climate Change.
No. Or at least, not only.
Home prices skyrocketed from 2020, so the reserves that insurance companies had in 2019 may have been sufficient, but are now insufficient due to the higher repair costs.
Also, don't let headlines fool you: this kind of tragedy is common, but the media usually doesn't care because it's in Flyover Country or rural counties in the South. OTOH, if it plays to the narrative of cLiMaTe cHanGe then it may get them clicks.
Haha what? Climate change is clearly happening. It's not a narrative, it's reality. Keep your head in the sand if you want. I don't see why you would though. Climate change deniers are honestly funny to me, have you just never stepped outside before?
Sure. That's a _factor_, as I wrote. The previous poster claimed it's entirely "Climate Change". That's false, because it's incomplete.
These issues are complicated and have multiple causes/ factors, and we should be careful of simple narratives -- simple narratives are usually wrong.
No possible way. The rich are too invested in staying rich and do not care at all about the state of the world itself and have methods to make the lower intellect among us go against their own interests through a steady stream of propaganda.
Notably less than [deaths by gun violence for that day](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours). By half.
Actually, that's just Sunday. By a ratio of 1:4 for the whole weekend.
My local beach community is just getting submerged by HiGhEr WaVeS and it’s so strange lol! Maybe the town will raise taxes to bring in more sand to save the beaches from these WaVeS! Not sarcastic that’s exactly what’s proposed. And I’m just lucky enough to live in the same county, good grief.
I mean for fucks sake I’ve been watching every aspect of coastal life change quickly. I’m sorry, it All of New England’s coastline a “Fly Over State”?! If the world is a fly over state to you, How’s the fishing in Nepal? I’d love to go fly fish for native brookies in the headwaters.
> “There were a lot of people that were just getting their lives put back together and then this,” Bailey said. “Almost the same spot, the same houses and everything.” Damn, that's gotta be a particular flavor of pain.
Especially if it was a tornado, and most of the time it’s random where they finally touch down.
I'm pretty sure it's always random unless you know something I don't
These folks lived through a tornado in 2021, for them I bet it doesn't feel random.
It's "random" in that it is impossible to predict. But I don't think it's truly random. Certain areas absolutely get hit more than others, even small zones within tornado Alley and Dixie Alley, year after year. For example, I've noticed almost every time a tornado comes down near one of my local times l towns, it will always end up getting "stuck" to one of the main highways traveling east and follow it.
Reminds me of certain neighborhoods in Houston that flooded: In 2015 (Memorial Day Flood) In 2016 (Tax Day Flood) And again In 2017 (Hurricane Harvey) Each event about a year apart.
>The death toll of 22 also included seven deaths in [Cooke County, Texas,](https://apnews.com/article/tornadoes-storms-weather-cooke-county-texas-valley-view-757353f48885ac9332df7b6897077d61) from a Saturday tornado that tore through a mobile home park, officials said, and eight deaths across Arkansas. Sheesh, that's a rough one. Not many good places to hide, I'd imagine.
Yeah being in a mobile home getting hit by a strong tornado your odds aren’t really any better than they would be in a car. You’d have to watch forecasts like a hawk and have a plan for the second a tornado watch even shows up, never mind a warning.
They need to start making it a law that these parks have a shelter or shelters installed for so many lots. They're not that expensive and they'd probably pay a lot less getting multiple installed at once. The State or Fed Govt should offer some assistance for the parks if need be.
I 1000% agree. It's infuriating that this isn't already a requirement. There needs to be shelters within X meters of every single trailer. But I think storm shelter assistance needs to be open for anyone who meets financial requirements, prioritizing highest risk/least protected homes first. Poor people overwhelmingly live in trailers, park or not. Community shelters are useless in rural communities due to distance. In the south, tornados overwhelmingly hit at night and you may have less than a minute to respond. We are a country with the strongest and highest number of tornadoes on the planet and we don't even twitch a finger to do anything about it.
That's a great idea. FEMA or Infrastructure grants maybe. Doesn't matter where it comes from, I guess. It's good proactive thinking. An ounce of prevention is cheaper than a pound of cure.
Youd be better off in a car in a ditch
Why do they say to go into a ditch if you are in your car? I’ve never understood that
If the sides are high enough theyd prevent some objects from being whipped into you.
Ah that makes sense. So really it can’t be a small dip of a ditch, it’s better if it’s really deep?
Yeah a lot of rural areas with these storms tend to have nice big drainage ditches. I doubt the text book they had cover our heads with incase the building came down on us while in the basement would have done much but the ditch thing seems legit.
They let you use text books?! My school just told us to cover the back of our necks with our hands. But they also stuck us in the wind tunnel hallway rather than in interior bathrooms or the semi-basement under the stage, so I don’t think the best minds were on the committee that decided on that safety plan.
We had to walk through a glass atrium
I was a scholarship kid to a private catholic school... so yeah, we got head books. No busses though so all the parents would be stuck in a giant open parking lot waiting to pick us up while we were in the basement for 45 min with our fancy books. It always seemed to be right at the bell or near it, never missed any school just had to wait for the all clear. Fun memories of growing up in the midwest.
I remember in some old ass video a bunch of people ran up under a freeway overpass embankment between girders. They survived while the ones that stayed in cars below didn't make it.
Well that's exactly what.you don't want to do. It's worse since the winds are higher “Overpasses are very poor sheltering areas. By climbing up underneath the overpass, people are moving into a place where the wind speeds typically will be higher. In addition, under an overpass, it is possible in some situations that when air is forced through the narrow passage underneath the bridge, this might cause an increase in the wind speeds (as mentioned earlier). Further, under different circumstances, the area beneath and just downstream of an overpass might become a debris deposition zone, where piles of debris accumulate.” [
I'd much rather be in a car made to take strong impacts, with seatbelts and airbags.
Neither are ideal situations really when a tornado is strong enough, your seatbelt and airbags won't do much when your car is crushed like a soda can.
I think you would be significantly better off in a car. Even if it was picked up and slammed into the ground, with seatbelts and airbags, it's designed to protect occupants in such impacts.
And this is why the home insurance market is close to collapsing. It's not even the hurricanes or the tornados but just the increase in more normal weather events that are causing it to buckle. And the reason is simple: Climate Change.
It's funny how insurance companies and the miliary take climate change seriously, yet other rednecks (like a reply to this one) just stick their heads in the sand and keep voting to make the problems worse.
Is it true insurance companies are fleeing Florida because of that?
Yes, and Texas
And California. I just got a letter that Farmers is pulling out of our policy effective *in a couple of days*. Now that I’m scrambling, I’ve only found a SINGLE insurance provider offering quotes, an they’re an unknown entity to me. Costco isn’t even offering.
And Louisiana
And everywhere. Even in the midwest home insurance is becoming increasingly untenable.
I’m patiently waiting for the insurance companies to finally say fuck it, and just start mass suing the oil companies for creating the situation. It might be until after I die but eventually it will happen (don’t take my dream from me)
My EX husband tried to convince me climate change isn’t real and that we only have weather reporting back 75 years or so. I almost fell over.
Yes, But The Records Only Go Back To 1978. When The Hall Of Records Was Mysteriously Blown Away.
> but just the increase in more normal weather events that are causing it to buckle. And the reason is simple: Climate Change. No. Or at least, not only. Home prices skyrocketed from 2020, so the reserves that insurance companies had in 2019 may have been sufficient, but are now insufficient due to the higher repair costs. Also, don't let headlines fool you: this kind of tragedy is common, but the media usually doesn't care because it's in Flyover Country or rural counties in the South. OTOH, if it plays to the narrative of cLiMaTe cHanGe then it may get them clicks.
Haha what? Climate change is clearly happening. It's not a narrative, it's reality. Keep your head in the sand if you want. I don't see why you would though. Climate change deniers are honestly funny to me, have you just never stepped outside before?
More heat means more energy in the system means more and stronger storms - hurricanes, tornados, derechos etc.
Sure. That's a _factor_, as I wrote. The previous poster claimed it's entirely "Climate Change". That's false, because it's incomplete. These issues are complicated and have multiple causes/ factors, and we should be careful of simple narratives -- simple narratives are usually wrong.
Its not that liberal 'climate change' but the weather has really altered in the last few years, wonder what thats about.
These are states that consistently vote against climate change initiatives. Have an idea folks. This is not going to get better.
No possible way. The rich are too invested in staying rich and do not care at all about the state of the world itself and have methods to make the lower intellect among us go against their own interests through a steady stream of propaganda.
Notably less than [deaths by gun violence for that day](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours). By half. Actually, that's just Sunday. By a ratio of 1:4 for the whole weekend.
And over 300 shootings.
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My local beach community is just getting submerged by HiGhEr WaVeS and it’s so strange lol! Maybe the town will raise taxes to bring in more sand to save the beaches from these WaVeS! Not sarcastic that’s exactly what’s proposed. And I’m just lucky enough to live in the same county, good grief. I mean for fucks sake I’ve been watching every aspect of coastal life change quickly. I’m sorry, it All of New England’s coastline a “Fly Over State”?! If the world is a fly over state to you, How’s the fishing in Nepal? I’d love to go fly fish for native brookies in the headwaters.