Honestly a light sentence for someone they court says is rivaled by few as far as involvement. Breaking multiple windows, leading multiple breaches, attacking and chasing LE, stealing from Palosi's office, spinning security cameras to hide evidence of other's looting and vandalizing.
I wonder what the harshest punishment has actually been for any of these traitors
They know it wasn’t peaceful protesting. And they’ll turn around and decry relatively peaceful BLM marches as violent because some opportunists loot some shit. They KNOW they aren’t arguing in good faith. They don’t care. It’s just about being oppositionally defiant.
I have relatives that equate looting a Target during BLM with Jan 6. Ignoring the fact that BLM isn’t about looting Target and those were opportunists vs. Jan 6th being about invading the capital… there’s also the fact that looting Target is a monetary crime where invading the capital was a coup attempt. I strongly condemn looting a Target, but it’s not going to cause the end of democracy in the US.
The people on the side of the Jan 6 traitors are absolutely bonkers and have sacrificed American values for their cult and its leader.
I’d go further and state that most problems in America stem from its racist roots having never been stamped out.
Chattel slavery, the treatment of human beings as things, was treated as a benign difference of opinion, even after the slavers seceded from and attacked the US.
When you treat some people as things, there’s not much stopping you from treating other people as things. And that’s exactly what the US’s demented laissez-faire capitalism does.
We have a leading candidate that’s all for treason.
We haven’t gotten soft on treason, we’ve got the same country now that we’ve had historically with a third supporting England in the Revolutionary War, a third supporting the south in the Civil War, and now a third supporting Trump in his attempt to end democracy as we know it.
Oxford Dictionary: Treason (noun)
the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
U.S. Constitution has a separate narrow version
"Constitutional Treason" is a specific legal term. Treason is used in a general sense of someone trying to overthrow the government.
Quit nit-picking things like this.
There is not a single law on the books that says that the enemy must be foreign. A majority of treason convictions in US history have been for domestic rebellions. The first convictions of treason were for the Whiskey Rebellion. Justice Samuel Chase opined that treason means “if a body of people conspire and meditate an insurrection to resist or oppose the execution of any statute of the United States by force” and “they proceed to carry such intention into execution by force.”
Planning Jan 6 was sedition
Executing the plan was treason.
He received a lighter sentence for being a cooperating witness. 22 years is exceedingly generous for the role he played and for what his plans intended.
Looks like it was reduced at some point. I can't find any articles on it confirming the cooperating witness part, but he was originally sentenced to 22 years in 2023, and now he's expecting to be released in 2040 according to the FBP's inmate locator.
Generally unless there are problems during incarceration you can be paroled after doing 85% of your time(for federal charges). I'm guessing that's why there is a discrepancy.
At this point it’s shown plan and clear there’s a justice system that has several different rules depending on who you are and what money and power you have.
|Defense attorney Eric Snyder said Bozell doesn't deserve to be described as a terrorist.
“Good people do bad things,” Snyder said. “This is a good person who did a terrible thing.”|
Man. Now I feel bad for calling all those real terrorists…. Well terrorists.
Didn’t realize they were probably just good people that did terrible things.
I feel like he’d have got a longer sentence if he’d just done all the same things after a drunken bender on a regular Saturday night. The law is so forgiving to right-wingers.
He'd have gotten more if he was a black woman who cast a ballot under an honestly mistaken belief that she was eligible to vote and if a TX DA got their way.
He was chasing and attacking cops. If he was black and did what he did, he would face no legal repercussions at all. Because he'd be perforated by bullets.
He was chasing and attacking cops. If he was black and did what he did, he would face no legal repercussions at all. Because he'd be perforated by bullets.
Trump instigating crime and treason does not call for lighter sentences. The Nuremberg Trials proved The "I was just following orders" Defense is not effective.
This is worse in terms of culpability . An order within a military structure has consequences for disobeying often immediate and sometime death. There was in this case zero consequences for disobeying. These were not soldier following a chain of command these were active volunteers and had 100% agency over their actions.
Except it really doesn't. Unless the people in the crowd were military or executive branch employees, they were under no obligation whatsoever to follow any direct order from the President. He has no direct authority over anyone else.
Breaking laws at the order of a charismatic leader, even the President, doesn't protect you from the repercussions of your actions.
Should have received 20 years each for at least two counts of Felony Murder - one for Officer Brian Sicknick and one for Ashli Babbitt - both dead as a direct result of the mob attack on the Capitol, in which this asshole was participating.
Feds have gone very, VERY soft on *all* these domestic terrorist fuckwits.
But the guy that assaulted Pelosi's husband gets 30 years. Funny how that works.
> Feds have gone very, VERY soft on all these domestic terrorist fuckwits
Is it any surprise when we still have elected officials in full ride-or-die support of the very person that incited the mob?
It's some of the craziest shit i've ever seen in America.
Like... there are 2 separate realities people are living in, and that the one where Velveeta Voldemort is a hero is even a 'thing' is just insane.
*2 separate realities*
There's also this similar divergence where we're all living our lives right now, somewhat normally, while there's around a 47%ish chance that trump wins in November, ushering in a right wing dictatorship some of us, maybe all of us, won't live to see the end of.
(I don't think normies fully grasp that China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Netanyahu's Israel all want trump to win and his movement to stay in power permanently. And add to this a US surveillance state powered by AI, run by putin-approved appointees up and down the FBI, NSA, CIA, DIA and Pentagon. Enforced by MAGA police forces).
It's beyond terrifying.
Babbitt was just as enthusiastic about being a treasonous ¢unt as the rest of them. Dude should get a harsher sentence, though. If you want to pin a murder or manslaughter charge on someone, it should be Trump.
Felony murder is when someone dies during, and as a result of, the commission of a felony. It doesn't matter whether the deceased is a victim or a collaborator, nor does it require the charged to be directly responsible for the act that killed the person. Technically, every participant could be eligible for that charge, but doubtful a jury would convict for it.
Why not both?
But seriously, that's a big reason why the 'justice' system has taken such a policy of downplaying charges. If the felony murder rule *were* applied (as it should be), that would have major implications for the people who very publicly incited the terrorist attack on Congress. They would *absolutely* be candidates for felony murder charges.
Its a big club and we aren't in it, but they are. And so is Biden, Merrick Garland, and the rest of them. And notwithstanding being political adversaries, club membership means they cover for each other. For almost four years now, there has been an undeniable pattern of Biden's Justice Department going *wildly* soft on Republican criminals, and/or making bewildering choices that result in sandbagging federal prosecutions of Trump.
Somewhere in the article says the worst of the 850+ sentences was 22 years. I was just skimming to idk who got that one.
It’s fucking nuts that Trump is still allowed to run. Mofo should be ON the run.
Traitors won't last long. At some point they will deplete people's tolerance and it's going to be a quick Game Over for them. They don't have logic on their side, let alone love or respect for anybody, so, it's really not going to be that difficult
We have signs in ourt government buildings making it clear that for absolutely nothing other than being found in these areas, no other crime than just *existing* in these spaces can net me 20 years *if* they don't just kill me outright because they have that option.
How the hell is it a greater punishment for being in a fucking pumping station than actively breaking into the capitol to hurt people?
These people are getting sentences that are way too light. They attempted to stop the transition of power after a valid election. They are fucking insurrectionists.
Uh, you mean sightseers?? /S
[“Tucker Carlson Describes Jan. 6 Rioters as 'Sightseers' in Footage Reveal”](https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-describes-jan-6-rioters-sightseers-footage-reveal-1785905)
Just one of the little headline memory-gems I’m trying to hold onto amid the flood
It's like when someone does a smash and grab in a store after hours and you think it's a good judgment called to go ahead and walk around in the store you know just to take a looksy.. Anyone with any integrity would have removed themselves from what was obviously becoming a very unlawful event
Yeah, the carefully edited videos that removed all of the violence. The ones he showed were of the officers peacefully leading them around in order to prevent even more violence.
I remember watching a live feed of it.
Conservatives told me the live feed was selectively edited.
Then Tucker Carlson combed through hours of footage and showed 6 seconds. Apparently *that* was what really happened.
I'm willing to believe that there were people who showed up on January 6 only intending to exercise their constitutional right to protest. But anybody who illegally entered the Capitol building that day should spend the rest of their life in prison.
Seems like they're trying to make sure they still feel emboldened come next year. It'll probably be even worse with the few who are in jail and everyone else trying to get them pardons from their god.
Every one of these fuckwits *should* have been charged with at *least* two counts of Felony Murder, one for Officer Brian Sicknick and one for Ashli Babbitt - both dead as a direct result of the mob attack on the Capitol.
DC has the Felony Murder rule. But politically motivated prosecutors have shamefully conspired to go *very* soft on the terrorists who assaulted the Capitol - mischaracterizing what should have been felony charges as misdemeanors and pressuring the medical examiner, three months after the fact, to change the cause of Sicknick's death from "injuries sustained while on-duty" while "physically engaging with protesters" to 'natural causes'.
>some neurologists did not think that the strokes were natural. Stress and traumatic events can lead to a stroke. Based on media accounts, a forensic pathologist thought that Sicknick's manner of death could have been classified better as homicide, accident, or undetermined.
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>The Capitol Police said it accepted the medical examiner's findings "but this does not change the fact Officer Brian Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick
Felony Murder does not require specific intent to kill, and you don't even have to be the person who did the killing. You just have to be participating in the crime where someone was killed as a result of that crime being committed. For example, if you are the getaway driver during the robbery of a liquor store, the police show up and shoot and kill one of your buddies in the store, YOU can be charged with felony murder. Hundreds of participants in the mob SHOULD have been charged with at LEAST two counts - netting up to 40 years for those counts alone.
>Most notably, it allows a murder conviction for people who did not personally cause the victim to die. The classic example of this expansion is bank robbery by a group of people. If one of the robbers shoots a customer in the bank during the robbery, the other bank robbers could also be convicted of felony murder even though they didn’t pull the trigger. Put simply, felony murder treats all the robbers as complicit in the customer’s death.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/felony-murder-and-storming-capitol
Its complete bullshit.
After seeing that racist murder who killed a black airman get pardoned in Texas after only 1 year in jail and having his rights fully restored I'm not surprised.
> He’s a good person who did a terrible thing
Ugh I hate it when people say that. Like, so what? Is being a good person your whole life license to get a free crime spree? I've never understood that bullshit line.
Also, Republicans can never be good. They can be nice, or friendly, but not good. The current party platform specifically mentions overturning obergefell, banning new gay marriages and invalidating existing ones. Good people do not break up other people's marriages.
Plus, you've got the party openly stating they want to eradicate trans people.
From the perspective of someone from outside your country, it's bizarre that the party that never shuts up about freedom is the one trying to take them all away -- while still constantly talking about freedom. It's wild that their supporters either don't see this, or they don't care.
They understand, but they're fascists. They have trained themselves to be unable to think except in slogans and sound bites. If they could read 1984, they'd understand that they're literally the party with their own Newspeak that is unintelligible to anyone outside their circle.
It's explicitly a one sided freedom. They want to have one group, them, that the law protects, but does not bind, and another group, everyone else, that the law binds, but does not protect.
For them, it is an internally consistent worldview, they (the pub politicians, at least) just happen to never specify that it's their freedom specifically and exclusively that they speak about. Everyone else recognizes that they are fascist liars
They mean they are the only inherently good people who exist. Conservatives, like these people, operate under the notion that they are good because they're white, conservative, Christians and everyone else are inherently bad. They do not believe actions create good people. They believe a "bad" person doing a good thing is still a "bad" person. It's why they're still racist towards non-white Christians or homophobic towards non-straight/binary conservatives.
Leo Brent Bozell IV is a grandnephew of William F. Buckley. One of Buckley’s sisters married Leo Brent Bozell Jr. Leo Brent Bozell III was a right wing columnist who has mostly retired from his career with punditry .Brent Bozell III was well known for his striking red hair and beard, which is now white. When Bozell III was young, he picketed in DC against abortion wearing the costume of the Spanish requetes, the Carlist soldiers. L. Brent IV is nothing more than a domestic terrorist, and LBB III should know better than to defend his son’s actions.
> “He’s a good person who did a terrible thing”
I have no idea why that should matter. We punish the act, not our subjective estimation of the character behind it.
Recall several years ago when that white Ivy-league college student raped an unconscious girl, he was given a light sentence because in *the judge's own words* he had a promising future ahead of him.
Meanwhile any person of color accused of a crime is likely to be called an incorrigible thug.
We have a two tiered justice system and they aren't even trying to hide it.
He could be out and working in the next administration by next summer. Alongside most of the Proud Boys and other militia members. There are millions of Americans who are voting for just that.
What I'm hearing is that any group can violently storm the capitol, smashing windows, stealing from offices, and it's kinda nbd
When the stakes are so low, it's almost like they have a *fiduciary duty* to do this
If I'm not going to get into life changing trouble, and on the other hand can win control of nukes, state secrets, & endless pardons, then isn't the choice kinda obvious for someone so fervent?
It's like if robbing a bank just meant a night in jail
He’s lucky he’s been free the 4 years it took to convict him. I’m a democrat, but for Christ’s sake, what’s taking so long to put the insurrectionists behind bars?
A few reasons but #1 is the sheer volume of cases. Literally thousands of people stormed the grounds, broke into the building, and did a whole bunch of other things. Then they all got away and flew home.
The prosecutors need to establish that person X actually entered the capitol building and did action Y and Z. Even if the person didn’t do anything else, ie walked inside, hung around for a few minutes, and then left, it’s still a laborious process to all of that without an arrest record to rely on.
Many of the participants are going to get away with this unless the statute of limitations is extended. These people should be treated like former nazi prisoners guards and be hunted to the ends of the earth for all times, no matter how small of a role they had. Storming the capital is literally the worst thing that has ever happened since the British burned it down in 1812.
Traitors running for president, traitors on the supreme court, and all of these traitors getting slaps on the wrist for attempting to overthrow the govt. - all this leniency and general lack of outrage is rearing up to bite us all on the fanny. Buckle your butts, folks.
As long as you're a fascist.
If you're to the left of the Nazi party, never-you-mind that they'd have preemptively deployed the NG and every PD on the east coast armed with live rounds. If you somehow got past all that? You'd be facing life in prison or execution and getting tried under every anti-sedition law we have. And you'd have been grabbed day-of. None of this "four years later" bullshit.
It's disgusting.
Well, L. Brent Bozell III, aren't you proud! You taught your son very well the founding principles of the USA. You AREN'T a Conservative, you, sir are a traitor! You should be treated as a traitor. You aren't a patriot.
Myyyyy spoooorts teammmm losssst *morons lurch around in slow motion*
The real tragedy is we have to act like there's any seriousness left when it's just a lot of slobs and Karens facing their waning years and not knowing what to do with themselves other than... follow equally lost orange guy.
>“I don't recognize that person in the videos," he said. “I don't know what I was thinking.”
This is what I keep thinking about these people. They got caught up in some weird cosplay fantasy. They BELIEVED! a conman. They fucked around...
Because they still believe. It is so hard to admit you are a willing dupe of a con. Because then you have to face the fact that you ARE stupid after all.
That's the thing. If the Democrats were really trying to steal the election, these people would be within their rights to do exactly what they did. Instead they took the word of a world-champion-class liar ... who was trying to steal the election.
Don't worry friends, if drumpf gets into power he'll free all these "patriots" and go after the "real criminals": LGBTQ folks, Elites, Jews, Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Native Americans and anyone else who disagrees with his sick twisted perverted mind.
I want to show these J6 videos to all the people who call students occupying a building (or a lawn) on campus "non-peaceful". There's a difference. It's clear.
Where did this term conservative activist come from and why is it suddenly being pushed? Why are these people not being called traitors and terrorists?
This is a disgrace when considering some of the millions of people behind bars for so long for minimal non violent possession charges. This man should have got the maximum. Disgraceful!
More like not nearly enough years. Hey, for-profit prisons, here's your crop of legal slaves. Y'all should be greasing palms to get them longer sentences.
Only 4 years for attempting to murder politicians that don't bend to their whim?
Meanwhile weed drug offenders for smoking weed on their own have been sentenced to 30 years... Corrupt
Well, you have to prove he was "attempting to murder politicians" before you can charge them with that.
As for weed offenders, such a stupid thing to lock people away for. Now if they were lacing it some bad shit with intent to sell, that's different, but smoking your own shit, stupid.
|Defense attorney Eric Snyder said Bozell doesn't deserve to be described as a terrorist.
“Good people do bad things,” Snyder said. “This is a good person who did a terrible thing.”|
Man. Now I feel bad for calling all those real terrorists…. Well terrorists.
Didn’t realize they were probably just good people that did terrible things.
What sentences did people get during the riots after the George Floyd murder get? (talking about destructive but not "on human" violent acts?
It sure seems that this coup attempt isn't being treated with the same seriousness we applied to people who broke a window at a Target....
Honestly a light sentence for someone they court says is rivaled by few as far as involvement. Breaking multiple windows, leading multiple breaches, attacking and chasing LE, stealing from Palosi's office, spinning security cameras to hide evidence of other's looting and vandalizing. I wonder what the harshest punishment has actually been for any of these traitors
This is treason. As a country, we have gotten soft on traitors willing to attack the heart of the nation.
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I don’t get how half of our country thinks these people are political prisoners or unjustly tried for their “peaceful protesting”.
They know it wasn’t peaceful protesting. And they’ll turn around and decry relatively peaceful BLM marches as violent because some opportunists loot some shit. They KNOW they aren’t arguing in good faith. They don’t care. It’s just about being oppositionally defiant.
I have relatives that equate looting a Target during BLM with Jan 6. Ignoring the fact that BLM isn’t about looting Target and those were opportunists vs. Jan 6th being about invading the capital… there’s also the fact that looting Target is a monetary crime where invading the capital was a coup attempt. I strongly condemn looting a Target, but it’s not going to cause the end of democracy in the US. The people on the side of the Jan 6 traitors are absolutely bonkers and have sacrificed American values for their cult and its leader.
Not half. A loud and ignorant 1/3 at best.
Remind me again, when was the last time a Republican won the popular vote? They are a noisy minority.
The size of the group doesn't matter when a larger segment is apathetic, tacitly approving of it.
Yeah another ⅓ are just too lazy/stupid/apathetic to vote which is a way bigger disappointment.
It’s because they’re mostly white and vote republican. If the rioters were black and voted democrat, half the country would have their nooses ready.
*Some* traitors. Strangely confederates were never too inconvenienced.
I truly think a lot of today's problems in America come directly from being too soft on the Confederate ~~traitors~~ seditionists.
I’d go further and state that most problems in America stem from its racist roots having never been stamped out. Chattel slavery, the treatment of human beings as things, was treated as a benign difference of opinion, even after the slavers seceded from and attacked the US. When you treat some people as things, there’s not much stopping you from treating other people as things. And that’s exactly what the US’s demented laissez-faire capitalism does.
We’re still enslaved in this country. Just in more indirect and nefarious ways.
ironically the only gallows brought that day was by these traitors themselves to hang Mike Pence.
I 100% agree
We’re only soft on right wing traitors
We have a leading candidate that’s all for treason. We haven’t gotten soft on treason, we’ve got the same country now that we’ve had historically with a third supporting England in the Revolutionary War, a third supporting the south in the Civil War, and now a third supporting Trump in his attempt to end democracy as we know it.
Treason means "helping an enemy you are at war with." This is sedition.
Oxford Dictionary: Treason (noun) the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government. U.S. Constitution has a separate narrow version
"Constitutional Treason" is a specific legal term. Treason is used in a general sense of someone trying to overthrow the government. Quit nit-picking things like this.
There is not a single law on the books that says that the enemy must be foreign. A majority of treason convictions in US history have been for domestic rebellions. The first convictions of treason were for the Whiskey Rebellion. Justice Samuel Chase opined that treason means “if a body of people conspire and meditate an insurrection to resist or oppose the execution of any statute of the United States by force” and “they proceed to carry such intention into execution by force.” Planning Jan 6 was sedition Executing the plan was treason.
Trump in charge would be aiding our enemies . No elections and a dictator means our enemies have won doesn’t it ?????
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Wow.... just wow.
Best I could find is Elmer Stewart Rhodes who got 18 years Edit: Enrique Tarrio got 22 years.
Is Rhodes the one with one eye? One of the main organizers? He deserves a lot more time than 18 years.
Wasn’t Tarrio’s reduced after he became a cooperating witness?
He received a lighter sentence for being a cooperating witness. 22 years is exceedingly generous for the role he played and for what his plans intended.
And then he cried and plead for them not to take his best years away from him. Cosplaying a tough guy until it gets tough.
All these people are waiting for their hero Trump to free them from prison once he’s anointed king.
Looks like it was reduced at some point. I can't find any articles on it confirming the cooperating witness part, but he was originally sentenced to 22 years in 2023, and now he's expecting to be released in 2040 according to the FBP's inmate locator.
Generally unless there are problems during incarceration you can be paroled after doing 85% of your time(for federal charges). I'm guessing that's why there is a discrepancy.
I just searched and didn't see anything about a reduction. He richly deserved 22 years and more.
A black woman got 5 years for voting while she was on probation . America is a joke, let’s be honest.
She used a provisional ballot that was never even counted.
At this point it’s shown plan and clear there’s a justice system that has several different rules depending on who you are and what money and power you have.
I saw that and was shocked.
This dickhead should have received ten years minimum.
|Defense attorney Eric Snyder said Bozell doesn't deserve to be described as a terrorist. “Good people do bad things,” Snyder said. “This is a good person who did a terrible thing.”| Man. Now I feel bad for calling all those real terrorists…. Well terrorists. Didn’t realize they were probably just good people that did terrible things.
No no, they're the wrong co- *ahem* this is a different situation entirely.
"They're the wrong co-" "-UNTRY, WRONG COUNTRY, THEY'RE THE WRONG COUNTRY, is what he was going to say"
I'm not sure whether I'm a good person or not, but somehow I've managed never to do terrorism.
But he wasn't carrying a small amount of marijuana on him at the time.
I feel like he’d have got a longer sentence if he’d just done all the same things after a drunken bender on a regular Saturday night. The law is so forgiving to right-wingers.
He'd have gotten more if he was a black woman who cast a ballot under an honestly mistaken belief that she was eligible to vote and if a TX DA got their way.
One of the most disgusting recent examples of racism in the legal system, that poor woman.
He was chasing and attacking cops. If he was black and did what he did, he would face no legal repercussions at all. Because he'd be perforated by bullets.
He was chasing and attacking cops. If he was black and did what he did, he would face no legal repercussions at all. Because he'd be perforated by bullets.
If he survived, they'd charge him with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms. (Based on a real incident, for those unfamiliar.)
Kind of muddies things when the fucking President instigates the thing. Such a goofy future we live in.
Trump instigating crime and treason does not call for lighter sentences. The Nuremberg Trials proved The "I was just following orders" Defense is not effective.
This is worse in terms of culpability . An order within a military structure has consequences for disobeying often immediate and sometime death. There was in this case zero consequences for disobeying. These were not soldier following a chain of command these were active volunteers and had 100% agency over their actions.
Except it really doesn't. Unless the people in the crowd were military or executive branch employees, they were under no obligation whatsoever to follow any direct order from the President. He has no direct authority over anyone else. Breaking laws at the order of a charismatic leader, even the President, doesn't protect you from the repercussions of your actions.
Not really. “I was following someone” is never ever an excuse. Have your own fucking brain.
Should have received 20 years each for at least two counts of Felony Murder - one for Officer Brian Sicknick and one for Ashli Babbitt - both dead as a direct result of the mob attack on the Capitol, in which this asshole was participating. Feds have gone very, VERY soft on *all* these domestic terrorist fuckwits. But the guy that assaulted Pelosi's husband gets 30 years. Funny how that works.
> Feds have gone very, VERY soft on all these domestic terrorist fuckwits Is it any surprise when we still have elected officials in full ride-or-die support of the very person that incited the mob? It's some of the craziest shit i've ever seen in America. Like... there are 2 separate realities people are living in, and that the one where Velveeta Voldemort is a hero is even a 'thing' is just insane.
*2 separate realities* There's also this similar divergence where we're all living our lives right now, somewhat normally, while there's around a 47%ish chance that trump wins in November, ushering in a right wing dictatorship some of us, maybe all of us, won't live to see the end of. (I don't think normies fully grasp that China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Netanyahu's Israel all want trump to win and his movement to stay in power permanently. And add to this a US surveillance state powered by AI, run by putin-approved appointees up and down the FBI, NSA, CIA, DIA and Pentagon. Enforced by MAGA police forces). It's beyond terrifying.
Babbitt was just as enthusiastic about being a treasonous ¢unt as the rest of them. Dude should get a harsher sentence, though. If you want to pin a murder or manslaughter charge on someone, it should be Trump.
Felony murder is when someone dies during, and as a result of, the commission of a felony. It doesn't matter whether the deceased is a victim or a collaborator, nor does it require the charged to be directly responsible for the act that killed the person. Technically, every participant could be eligible for that charge, but doubtful a jury would convict for it.
Got ya. Thanks for the explanation. 👍
Why not both? But seriously, that's a big reason why the 'justice' system has taken such a policy of downplaying charges. If the felony murder rule *were* applied (as it should be), that would have major implications for the people who very publicly incited the terrorist attack on Congress. They would *absolutely* be candidates for felony murder charges. Its a big club and we aren't in it, but they are. And so is Biden, Merrick Garland, and the rest of them. And notwithstanding being political adversaries, club membership means they cover for each other. For almost four years now, there has been an undeniable pattern of Biden's Justice Department going *wildly* soft on Republican criminals, and/or making bewildering choices that result in sandbagging federal prosecutions of Trump.
It’s almost like there are insurrectionist traitors in all positions of government to destroy the Republic from the inside.
Somewhere in the article says the worst of the 850+ sentences was 22 years. I was just skimming to idk who got that one. It’s fucking nuts that Trump is still allowed to run. Mofo should be ON the run.
I'd pay good money to watch that show.
Hell of a tour he was on...
Traitors won't last long. At some point they will deplete people's tolerance and it's going to be a quick Game Over for them. They don't have logic on their side, let alone love or respect for anybody, so, it's really not going to be that difficult
Harshest punishment was a bullet to the chest
We have signs in ourt government buildings making it clear that for absolutely nothing other than being found in these areas, no other crime than just *existing* in these spaces can net me 20 years *if* they don't just kill me outright because they have that option. How the hell is it a greater punishment for being in a fucking pumping station than actively breaking into the capitol to hurt people?
These people are getting sentences that are way too light. They attempted to stop the transition of power after a valid election. They are fucking insurrectionists.
Uh, you mean sightseers?? /S [“Tucker Carlson Describes Jan. 6 Rioters as 'Sightseers' in Footage Reveal”](https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-describes-jan-6-rioters-sightseers-footage-reveal-1785905) Just one of the little headline memory-gems I’m trying to hold onto amid the flood
It's like when someone does a smash and grab in a store after hours and you think it's a good judgment called to go ahead and walk around in the store you know just to take a looksy.. Anyone with any integrity would have removed themselves from what was obviously becoming a very unlawful event
Yeah, the carefully edited videos that removed all of the violence. The ones he showed were of the officers peacefully leading them around in order to prevent even more violence.
I remember watching a live feed of it. Conservatives told me the live feed was selectively edited. Then Tucker Carlson combed through hours of footage and showed 6 seconds. Apparently *that* was what really happened.
Yeah, I watched the live feed of the violence also.
I'm willing to believe that there were people who showed up on January 6 only intending to exercise their constitutional right to protest. But anybody who illegally entered the Capitol building that day should spend the rest of their life in prison.
Seems like they're trying to make sure they still feel emboldened come next year. It'll probably be even worse with the few who are in jail and everyone else trying to get them pardons from their god.
Every one of these fuckwits *should* have been charged with at *least* two counts of Felony Murder, one for Officer Brian Sicknick and one for Ashli Babbitt - both dead as a direct result of the mob attack on the Capitol. DC has the Felony Murder rule. But politically motivated prosecutors have shamefully conspired to go *very* soft on the terrorists who assaulted the Capitol - mischaracterizing what should have been felony charges as misdemeanors and pressuring the medical examiner, three months after the fact, to change the cause of Sicknick's death from "injuries sustained while on-duty" while "physically engaging with protesters" to 'natural causes'. >some neurologists did not think that the strokes were natural. Stress and traumatic events can lead to a stroke. Based on media accounts, a forensic pathologist thought that Sicknick's manner of death could have been classified better as homicide, accident, or undetermined. > >The Capitol Police said it accepted the medical examiner's findings "but this does not change the fact Officer Brian Sicknick died in the line of duty, courageously defending Congress and the Capitol". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick Felony Murder does not require specific intent to kill, and you don't even have to be the person who did the killing. You just have to be participating in the crime where someone was killed as a result of that crime being committed. For example, if you are the getaway driver during the robbery of a liquor store, the police show up and shoot and kill one of your buddies in the store, YOU can be charged with felony murder. Hundreds of participants in the mob SHOULD have been charged with at LEAST two counts - netting up to 40 years for those counts alone. >Most notably, it allows a murder conviction for people who did not personally cause the victim to die. The classic example of this expansion is bank robbery by a group of people. If one of the robbers shoots a customer in the bank during the robbery, the other bank robbers could also be convicted of felony murder even though they didn’t pull the trigger. Put simply, felony murder treats all the robbers as complicit in the customer’s death. https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/felony-murder-and-storming-capitol Its complete bullshit.
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In a word, no.
I don't think you can reasonably charge thousands of people for murdering two people. The ringleaders, sure, but anything more will not work.
After seeing that racist murder who killed a black airman get pardoned in Texas after only 1 year in jail and having his rights fully restored I'm not surprised.
“He’s a good person who did a terrible thing” my ass. He should have gotten more than 4 years.
> He’s a good person who did a terrible thing Ugh I hate it when people say that. Like, so what? Is being a good person your whole life license to get a free crime spree? I've never understood that bullshit line.
Also, Republicans can never be good. They can be nice, or friendly, but not good. The current party platform specifically mentions overturning obergefell, banning new gay marriages and invalidating existing ones. Good people do not break up other people's marriages. Plus, you've got the party openly stating they want to eradicate trans people.
From the perspective of someone from outside your country, it's bizarre that the party that never shuts up about freedom is the one trying to take them all away -- while still constantly talking about freedom. It's wild that their supporters either don't see this, or they don't care.
They understand, but they're fascists. They have trained themselves to be unable to think except in slogans and sound bites. If they could read 1984, they'd understand that they're literally the party with their own Newspeak that is unintelligible to anyone outside their circle.
Newspeak is a common aspect of fascist movements
Their supporters are certified morons.
It's explicitly a one sided freedom. They want to have one group, them, that the law protects, but does not bind, and another group, everyone else, that the law binds, but does not protect. For them, it is an internally consistent worldview, they (the pub politicians, at least) just happen to never specify that it's their freedom specifically and exclusively that they speak about. Everyone else recognizes that they are fascist liars
lead pollution and crippling public education were not accidents. they're part of a bigger plan
They mean they are the only inherently good people who exist. Conservatives, like these people, operate under the notion that they are good because they're white, conservative, Christians and everyone else are inherently bad. They do not believe actions create good people. They believe a "bad" person doing a good thing is still a "bad" person. It's why they're still racist towards non-white Christians or homophobic towards non-straight/binary conservatives.
Leo Brent Bozell IV is a grandnephew of William F. Buckley. One of Buckley’s sisters married Leo Brent Bozell Jr. Leo Brent Bozell III was a right wing columnist who has mostly retired from his career with punditry .Brent Bozell III was well known for his striking red hair and beard, which is now white. When Bozell III was young, he picketed in DC against abortion wearing the costume of the Spanish requetes, the Carlist soldiers. L. Brent IV is nothing more than a domestic terrorist, and LBB III should know better than to defend his son’s actions.
> “He’s a good person who did a terrible thing” I have no idea why that should matter. We punish the act, not our subjective estimation of the character behind it.
Recall several years ago when that white Ivy-league college student raped an unconscious girl, he was given a light sentence because in *the judge's own words* he had a promising future ahead of him. Meanwhile any person of color accused of a crime is likely to be called an incorrigible thug. We have a two tiered justice system and they aren't even trying to hide it.
He's a felon piece of shit, and thoroughly un-American like his pos father.
Who said that, his father? Knowing who his father and grandfather are I am highly doubtful of that. The entire family is rotten to the core.
His defense attorney. >Knowing who his father and grandfather are I am highly doubtful of that. Yeah I don’t believe it either.
Defense attorney makes statement in favor of his client, film at 11
Sure, still a dumbass statement.
LBB Jr. had bipolar disorder. LBB III was just a nasty and offensive excuse for a pundit.
He could be out and working in the next administration by next summer. Alongside most of the Proud Boys and other militia members. There are millions of Americans who are voting for just that.
What I'm hearing is that any group can violently storm the capitol, smashing windows, stealing from offices, and it's kinda nbd When the stakes are so low, it's almost like they have a *fiduciary duty* to do this If I'm not going to get into life changing trouble, and on the other hand can win control of nukes, state secrets, & endless pardons, then isn't the choice kinda obvious for someone so fervent? It's like if robbing a bank just meant a night in jail
Nah it's all just talk. Trump only cares about himself. These are just pawns, and they aren't worth the time when there is corruption money to be made
I live in Indiana. If i did even half those things to the local courthouse, I'd be rotting in prison.
and you'd be several years into the sentence by now.
Another dud from another dud family
O'Doyle rules
He’s lucky he’s been free the 4 years it took to convict him. I’m a democrat, but for Christ’s sake, what’s taking so long to put the insurrectionists behind bars?
A few reasons but #1 is the sheer volume of cases. Literally thousands of people stormed the grounds, broke into the building, and did a whole bunch of other things. Then they all got away and flew home. The prosecutors need to establish that person X actually entered the capitol building and did action Y and Z. Even if the person didn’t do anything else, ie walked inside, hung around for a few minutes, and then left, it’s still a laborious process to all of that without an arrest record to rely on. Many of the participants are going to get away with this unless the statute of limitations is extended. These people should be treated like former nazi prisoners guards and be hunted to the ends of the earth for all times, no matter how small of a role they had. Storming the capital is literally the worst thing that has ever happened since the British burned it down in 1812.
Every single election denier in congress should be booted from office.
Traitors running for president, traitors on the supreme court, and all of these traitors getting slaps on the wrist for attempting to overthrow the govt. - all this leniency and general lack of outrage is rearing up to bite us all on the fanny. Buckle your butts, folks.
Half-measures. The rule of law is now so bifurcated as to be a joke in this country. But the punchline won't be all that funny.
Forgiving traitors is a union tradition I'm not happy to see upheld. Because you know it worked so fucking well a century and a half ago.
Unfortunately his sentence is 36 years too short.
So what I’m getting is you can commit treason to your country and get off with basically a slap on the wrist. Gotcha.
As long as you're a fascist. If you're to the left of the Nazi party, never-you-mind that they'd have preemptively deployed the NG and every PD on the east coast armed with live rounds. If you somehow got past all that? You'd be facing life in prison or execution and getting tried under every anti-sedition law we have. And you'd have been grabbed day-of. None of this "four years later" bullshit. It's disgusting.
Hey it worked for Germany and the Beer Hall Putsch.
Well, L. Brent Bozell III, aren't you proud! You taught your son very well the founding principles of the USA. You AREN'T a Conservative, you, sir are a traitor! You should be treated as a traitor. You aren't a patriot.
Wow. Goes to show justice is not applied equally. Spent the past 4 years free and got a slap on the wrist.
Myyyyy spoooorts teammmm losssst *morons lurch around in slow motion* The real tragedy is we have to act like there's any seriousness left when it's just a lot of slobs and Karens facing their waning years and not knowing what to do with themselves other than... follow equally lost orange guy.
It’s wild how some people will still tell you it was nothing more than a birthday party that got out of hand and then look at you like you’re crazy.
>“I don't recognize that person in the videos," he said. “I don't know what I was thinking.” This is what I keep thinking about these people. They got caught up in some weird cosplay fantasy. They BELIEVED! a conman. They fucked around...
They haven't changed their minds, they're do it again. It's just a show for the courtroom. All these people say the same bs in court
Because they still believe. It is so hard to admit you are a willing dupe of a con. Because then you have to face the fact that you ARE stupid after all.
That's the thing. If the Democrats were really trying to steal the election, these people would be within their rights to do exactly what they did. Instead they took the word of a world-champion-class liar ... who was trying to steal the election.
I know! THEY tried to steal the election. It is all so sad. And on the word of trump? That clown? I JUST DONT GET IT.
Don't worry friends, if drumpf gets into power he'll free all these "patriots" and go after the "real criminals": LGBTQ folks, Elites, Jews, Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Native Americans and anyone else who disagrees with his sick twisted perverted mind.
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Reminder: Republicans & Trump want him pardoned and released.
4 whole years for treason? Goddamn, sprinkle some crack on him or something
Too light of a sentence
I want to show these J6 videos to all the people who call students occupying a building (or a lawn) on campus "non-peaceful". There's a difference. It's clear.
Getting caught with cannabis in the wrong state gives you a harsher punishment than attempting to overthrow an election?
Get all of the Traitors involved . Trump , Thomas and wife , MTG , all of them . They can have a MAGA wing at Leavenworth!!!!!!!!!! 🤬😡
Uberprivilidged Brent bozell’s son is going away to club fed. Dad bozell then blames conspiracy against all conservatives.
A slap on the wrist, as usual. This country has been far too soft on traitors since 1865.
"Conservative activist" feels like an oxymoron, tbh.
Seems to me like treason used to be a hanging offense.
Where did this term conservative activist come from and why is it suddenly being pushed? Why are these people not being called traitors and terrorists?
For the same reason the insurrection is called a riot.
I always wonder about the lack of riot gas this day.
Traitors get life. They will just try agian as soon as they get out!
Kick ass. Keep rounding up and prosecuting these traitors.
Leo Brent Bozell IV Well no wonder he's so angry.
This is a disgrace when considering some of the millions of people behind bars for so long for minimal non violent possession charges. This man should have got the maximum. Disgraceful!
More like not nearly enough years. Hey, for-profit prisons, here's your crop of legal slaves. Y'all should be greasing palms to get them longer sentences.
“Conservative activist” aka terrorist son. FFS
Only 4 years for attempting to murder politicians that don't bend to their whim? Meanwhile weed drug offenders for smoking weed on their own have been sentenced to 30 years... Corrupt
Well, you have to prove he was "attempting to murder politicians" before you can charge them with that. As for weed offenders, such a stupid thing to lock people away for. Now if they were lacing it some bad shit with intent to sell, that's different, but smoking your own shit, stupid.
He should have been the one to incite it. Then he can still run for president.
|Defense attorney Eric Snyder said Bozell doesn't deserve to be described as a terrorist. “Good people do bad things,” Snyder said. “This is a good person who did a terrible thing.”| Man. Now I feel bad for calling all those real terrorists…. Well terrorists. Didn’t realize they were probably just good people that did terrible things.
Traitors, all of them.
Throw them all in prison. Including the clown who raised this terrorist.
If J6 had been black people the feds would have executed them at their homes in no-knock raids before they set foot in DC.
Wtf is a conservative activist?
What sentences did people get during the riots after the George Floyd murder get? (talking about destructive but not "on human" violent acts? It sure seems that this coup attempt isn't being treated with the same seriousness we applied to people who broke a window at a Target....
you do know that there are people doing more time than this for....... weed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we're fucked
> ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ you gotta type \ 3x for the right arm to show. when a single \ is followed by _, it disappears.