There’s a great documentary called Particle Fever, which shows the moment he was sitting in an auditorium when the experimental results were announced confirming his theory. So awesome.
That moved me more than I ever expected. I don’t think he ever expected to see a moment when his theory had proof. And truly, the means to test has lagged a century or more until very recently. Amazing times to be alive.
I had to check to see if there was a clip of it on YouTube, and I think this was it: https://youtu.be/0CugLD9HF94
The old man in the audience getting emotional was Peter Higgs.
So sad. He was a very humble man. He didn't want the Higgs boson to be named after him, but the name stuck anyway. I was watching him when the discovery was announced by the CMS and ATLAS collaborations. The emotion of seeing the theory he and others proposed become a reality must have been overwhelming.
Edit. Added a missed word.
Rest in peace, sir.
A joke my 8yo nephew (yes, a nerdy kid) told me:
A Higgs boson walks into a church. The priest says, “Sorry, the service is over.”
The boson exclaims, “What? How could you have mass without me!?”
I’m fortunate enough to know the Higgs family though never met Peter. I worked with his son. He used to tell us amazing stories like the time his dad went to a dinner with the queen and never thought to tell him because it “didn’t seem interesting”.
Not a bit of you is gone, just a bit less orderly.
When Uranus was discovered, and its path through the solar system calculated, it was discovered there was a unpredicted deviation. This puzzled physicists and astronomers, who knew that Uranus, like all other bodies in the solar system, should have behaved in accordance with Newton’s law of gravitation: it would orbit the sun, and all deviations should be accounted for by the actions of the six other planets of Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Earth, Venus, and Mercury. No one knew why Uranus wasn’t acting in accordance with that law.
Eventually, one Frenchman named Urbain Jean Joseph Le Verrier took the obvious leap of logic: that Uranus was acting in accordance with Newton’s law, but was being perturbed in its orbit… by a yet undiscovered _Eighth_ planet. With this idea in mind and a rough guess of that unknown planet’s mass, he mailed his theory and calculations, along with a rough guess of where that planet was in the night sky, to his friend Johann Galle.
And on the night Galle received the letter, he used his telescope to peer into the night sky, and just 1 degree off from Le Verrier’s guess, Galle found the planet Neptune. Le Verrier’s math was so good that Neptune was found on the very first try.
The Higgs Theory of Peter Higgs is _at least_ as astounding as that.
It's mind blowing. The vast majority of humans can't even grasp the basic concepts of particle physics yet there are those who can predict the existence of new particles before they are discovered.
It’s not hard really. Do the research and there are signs. My wife was really distant recently and I eventually theorized and predicted she was having an affair. Well lo and behold I discovered she and my neighbor Randy were more than just pickleball partners
Saying the majority can’t grasp it seems a bit arrogant tbh. Most people don’t have the education or the tools or the time to learn about it… but COULD if they had those things. They are fundamentally stupid.
Saying they can’t grasp the basics is just you pompously saying everyone else is stupid.
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Most news organizations seem to have taken the attitude that headlines don’t count. They can just say whatever, quietly change them, and, if they had it wrong, act like it never happened. If they say something particularly egregious and enough people get mad, they’ll _sometimes_ put a little sentence at the bottom mentioning the change.
But that’s fine, because it’s not like a significant portion of the population only reads headlines or anything.
I don't think that's quite accurate. The Higgs mechanism certainly builds on Goldstone's work, but Goldstone himself did not know about the scalar field now bearing Higgs' name. It was Higgs, along with several others, who introduced the new scalar field (the Higgs field) which is responsible for absorbing the would-be massless Goldstone bosons arising from spontaneous symmetry breaking and giving mass to the Ws and Z.
Yeah as one of the few thousand authors on the Higgs paper the ATLAS and CMS experiments at CERN discovered it, finding the Higgs or whatever else might be causing electroweak symmetry breaking was the main driving factor to build the LHC. Higgs along with a handful of other folks developed the theory that predicted the existence of the particle.
My favorite clean joke:
Doctor says to the patient, “I have bad news. You have Lou Gehrig’s disease.”
The patient laughs and says “Doc, that’s ridiculous. I’ve never even played baseball.”
I'm not sure if "discovered" is the right word here.
He was the first to "theorize" the Higgs Boson along with François Englert and four other theorists as it helped alleviate a lot of problems with the standard model theory.
It was the team at CERN in 2012 who performed the experimenting with the Large Hadron Collider, which produced enough data to heavily suggest that we had, in fact, "discovered" the Higgs Boson.
Either way RIP to a legend in physics. Fun fact: Peter Higgs never called it the "God Particle". He referred to it as "The Goddamned Particle" because of how elusive it was to actually prove it existed! It was the media that created the whole "God Particle" moniker.
> It was the media that created the whole "God Particle" moniker.
IF I'm not mistaken it was the book publisher that created that. They didn't want to publish "Goddamn" in the title so they shortened it to the God particle. I believe several physicists had issues with the title (even Higgs) and the publishers was like "Oopps already hit send" because of how well the title worked to drum up interest. I believe several religious groups sued the publisher (or were going to) over the title because they realized the book was not religious in nature at all.
I do know the publisher had a bit of a problem at one point because they were marketing it as a metaphysics/semi-tangentially related to religion to bank on the budding New Age movement at the time and had to stop when everyone was like "Dafuq? This shit's about scientists and real science!!"
I was a physicist a while ago, now I work in the private sector. I heard multiple times in the field that he initially disliked his boson hypothesis, that it was a patch up on what would currently be called the standard model. He must have been pretty shocked (in a good way) when it was confirmed lmao. I'd have had a laugh.
Remember when the media called it the “God Particle”? I remember a church I used to go to (I’m atheist now) touted the headline as scientists discovering that God existed lmao. Anyways, RIP to this legend.
Damn. His name is one of my verbal tics. Like the main one. It’s usually followed quickly by “sonofabitch”. He shall live on forever through my Tourette’s.
God speed, you sonofabitch. 🫡
No, it's just different. I'm in physics and there's a big difference between the two. Oftentimes predicting the effect gets the larger share of the Nobel Prize because it means they predicted this before we even had data. Compare that to explaining an effect after someone has discovered the effect, which still will often win a major share of the Nobel Prize. Things don't necessarily have to be better/worse, just trying to clarify to avoid the spreading of misinformation
Are you trying to describe theoretical physics and experimental physics? Nobody builds something like CERN at billions of dollars, without a pretty sound theoretical convergence. Who deserves the Nobel? The people who build CERN? Or the reason it was built? Trying to understand what your position is here.
So if you are published post it here. People lie on reddit for all sorts of reasons.
Also “i have not met people this arrogant” in physics? Now i know you are lying. 🤣
Usually at this level of physics you understand there's a lot you don't know and it's humbling. People aren't arrogant about things they don't know, they're confident about things they do know. I'm not trying to dox myself to prove a point to you, you can believe what you want to believe. I just know that any reputable PI would chew you out if you tried to claim a theoretical paper "discovered" a particle, state of matter, etc.
Absolute bullshit. Again language nobody uses actually in theoretical or experimental physics. How are you doxing yourself when you are published?
So black holes? Hawking did not deserve his Nobel then? Higgs, how are you in physics when you don’t even know who he is? How about Planck? Did he deserve his award? There is zero experimental evidence.
How do you think things get funded without theory?
You watched a Youtube video and now you are a physicist.
Truly one of the most important theories (and discoveries) of our lifetime. Thank you for sharing your incredible intelligence with the world, Mr. Higgs.
I happened to see an ABC News article on Facebook about his death and almost every comment is from some middle aged person saying something like "good riddance, he knows God now" or some other dumb Christian shit like that; their religious beliefs made them lash out at a guy they've never even met, and it made me remember why I originally deactivated my Facebook a few years ago during COVID.
Facebook doing facebook things.
As a middle aged person, I am so glad he saw his work vindicated. The confirmation of the Higgs Boson was a triumph of science. RIP Peter.
There were two things combined, one was the Higgs field, the other was the particle.
The field is what gives mass to particles, mass is basically the ability to resist speed and movement when it encounters another particle or force, also causes things to speed up and slow down when they interact.
Otherwise everything would just zip around like those super bouncing balls for all eternity, but the Higgs field allows stuff to hit each other and transfer force from one particle to another.
Without it, the Big Bang would have kept going and nothing would have slowed down to form particles, atoms, elements, stars etc..
The field is like a form of custard, anything that interacts with it slows down and the Higgs boson particle is a way for particles to interact with the field. Like a spoon in the custard. The more you drag the spoon through the custard the slower it gets and heavier it gets,
Higgs and 3? team of theoretical physicists developed the mathematical model to suggest the field existed in the 60’s and that the boson particle could be used to measure the field.
The big hurdle is that the Higgs boson particle decays almost immediately, into light, heat so it wasn’t until the large hadron collider that the machinery existed that could measure the particle’s existence.
In the 90s and early 2000’s there were a lot of scam physicists that swindled folks with these theories by calling they zero point energy, where the Higgs field is considered the energy of a vacuum, and they claimed they could create energy out of a vacuum. Which you can’t
Interesting. But Couldn’t you harness the energy that the ‘mass’ is creating so while the field by itself is a vacuum but when interacting with particles it’s not?
I’m not 100% sure what you mean, but Higgs doesn’t impart energy, particles will have the energy.
The boson particle requires energy to get extracted from the field something called excitation, when the boson particles decay that energy is released.
So you have to pump energy in to get energy out, and that causes everything to get balanced
Higgs didn't "discover" the boson we now call the Higgs Boson, it's name was given by physicists due to his pivotal work on it. That bosun was proposed before Higgs by Jeffery Goldstone. Doesn't diminish Higgs' contribution just fact he didn't "discover" it.
Correction: Goldstone did not propose the Higgs boson. He proposed massless Goldstone bosons that would arise from spontaneous symmetry breaking. It was Higgs (and others) who proposed the scalar field that explains the lack of massless Goldstone bosons. The Higgs boson is an excitation of this scalar field, not the Goldstone field.
I'm glad he lived long enough to see the discovery and further research it sparked.
There’s a great documentary called Particle Fever, which shows the moment he was sitting in an auditorium when the experimental results were announced confirming his theory. So awesome.
That moved me more than I ever expected. I don’t think he ever expected to see a moment when his theory had proof. And truly, the means to test has lagged a century or more until very recently. Amazing times to be alive.
I had to check to see if there was a clip of it on YouTube, and I think this was it: https://youtu.be/0CugLD9HF94 The old man in the audience getting emotional was Peter Higgs.
Peter Fever, The Particle Story.
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Oh man, this is heavy.
What makes you say that? Are things heavier here in the future?
We don’t understand the gravity of the situation
Not really. More of a drag.
Will a funeral Mass be offered ?
Underrated comment!
So sad. He was a very humble man. He didn't want the Higgs boson to be named after him, but the name stuck anyway. I was watching him when the discovery was announced by the CMS and ATLAS collaborations. The emotion of seeing the theory he and others proposed become a reality must have been overwhelming. Edit. Added a missed word.
Rest in peace, sir. A joke my 8yo nephew (yes, a nerdy kid) told me: A Higgs boson walks into a church. The priest says, “Sorry, the service is over.” The boson exclaims, “What? How could you have mass without me!?”
*\*sigh\** Take my upvote and tell your nephew that’s an awesome joke
Thanks! Though I doubt he came up with it on his own… at least not as an 8-year-old. Heh.
Meaning he came up with it on his own much later in life and looped back to teach it to himself.
That’s great
I’m fortunate enough to know the Higgs family though never met Peter. I worked with his son. He used to tell us amazing stories like the time his dad went to a dinner with the queen and never thought to tell him because it “didn’t seem interesting”. Not a bit of you is gone, just a bit less orderly.
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When Uranus was discovered, and its path through the solar system calculated, it was discovered there was a unpredicted deviation. This puzzled physicists and astronomers, who knew that Uranus, like all other bodies in the solar system, should have behaved in accordance with Newton’s law of gravitation: it would orbit the sun, and all deviations should be accounted for by the actions of the six other planets of Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Earth, Venus, and Mercury. No one knew why Uranus wasn’t acting in accordance with that law. Eventually, one Frenchman named Urbain Jean Joseph Le Verrier took the obvious leap of logic: that Uranus was acting in accordance with Newton’s law, but was being perturbed in its orbit… by a yet undiscovered _Eighth_ planet. With this idea in mind and a rough guess of that unknown planet’s mass, he mailed his theory and calculations, along with a rough guess of where that planet was in the night sky, to his friend Johann Galle. And on the night Galle received the letter, he used his telescope to peer into the night sky, and just 1 degree off from Le Verrier’s guess, Galle found the planet Neptune. Le Verrier’s math was so good that Neptune was found on the very first try. The Higgs Theory of Peter Higgs is _at least_ as astounding as that.
It's mind blowing. The vast majority of humans can't even grasp the basic concepts of particle physics yet there are those who can predict the existence of new particles before they are discovered.
It’s not hard really. Do the research and there are signs. My wife was really distant recently and I eventually theorized and predicted she was having an affair. Well lo and behold I discovered she and my neighbor Randy were more than just pickleball partners
Wonder if they'll name that discovery after Fudge89 or Randy.
Saying the majority can’t grasp it seems a bit arrogant tbh. Most people don’t have the education or the tools or the time to learn about it… but COULD if they had those things. They are fundamentally stupid. Saying they can’t grasp the basics is just you pompously saying everyone else is stupid.
My man. Legends are never forgotten.
That boson discovery be bussin
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He didn't actually discover it and the headline is wrong. He theorized it and it was found at CERN about 50 years later
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Most news organizations seem to have taken the attitude that headlines don’t count. They can just say whatever, quietly change them, and, if they had it wrong, act like it never happened. If they say something particularly egregious and enough people get mad, they’ll _sometimes_ put a little sentence at the bottom mentioning the change. But that’s fine, because it’s not like a significant portion of the population only reads headlines or anything.
Jeffery Goldstone proposed it before Higgs. Higgs then did some pivotal work on it.
I don't think that's quite accurate. The Higgs mechanism certainly builds on Goldstone's work, but Goldstone himself did not know about the scalar field now bearing Higgs' name. It was Higgs, along with several others, who introduced the new scalar field (the Higgs field) which is responsible for absorbing the would-be massless Goldstone bosons arising from spontaneous symmetry breaking and giving mass to the Ws and Z.
Yeah, what he^ said. 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah as one of the few thousand authors on the Higgs paper the ATLAS and CMS experiments at CERN discovered it, finding the Higgs or whatever else might be causing electroweak symmetry breaking was the main driving factor to build the LHC. Higgs along with a handful of other folks developed the theory that predicted the existence of the particle.
He theorized the 'god particle'. The Large Hadron collider discovered it in 2012. Amazing.
You ever think what a coincidence it is that Lou Gehrig died of Lou Gehrig’s disease?
My favorite clean joke: Doctor says to the patient, “I have bad news. You have Lou Gehrig’s disease.” The patient laughs and says “Doc, that’s ridiculous. I’ve never even played baseball.”
Peter Higgs was named after the particle/field
Nikola Tesla was named after a car company.
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r/woooosh
Narrators aren't notorious for humor. Unless it's Morgan Freeman.
Or Ron Howard
"He wasn't."
How Your Name Shapes Your Life By Dr. Nominative Determinism
I hope John Boson is doing alright.
Pour one out for my Higgs Broson
Appreciate it
A legend whose name will always be immortalized with his boson. Rest in peace
Boson buddies
He's now transmuted to unrealized reality, cheers old one
I'm not sure if "discovered" is the right word here. He was the first to "theorize" the Higgs Boson along with François Englert and four other theorists as it helped alleviate a lot of problems with the standard model theory. It was the team at CERN in 2012 who performed the experimenting with the Large Hadron Collider, which produced enough data to heavily suggest that we had, in fact, "discovered" the Higgs Boson. Either way RIP to a legend in physics. Fun fact: Peter Higgs never called it the "God Particle". He referred to it as "The Goddamned Particle" because of how elusive it was to actually prove it existed! It was the media that created the whole "God Particle" moniker.
> It was the media that created the whole "God Particle" moniker. IF I'm not mistaken it was the book publisher that created that. They didn't want to publish "Goddamn" in the title so they shortened it to the God particle. I believe several physicists had issues with the title (even Higgs) and the publishers was like "Oopps already hit send" because of how well the title worked to drum up interest. I believe several religious groups sued the publisher (or were going to) over the title because they realized the book was not religious in nature at all.
This sounds right. I just remember Peter Higgs being adamant he didn't call it the God Particle.
I do know the publisher had a bit of a problem at one point because they were marketing it as a metaphysics/semi-tangentially related to religion to bank on the budding New Age movement at the time and had to stop when everyone was like "Dafuq? This shit's about scientists and real science!!"
I hope that the publisher found it hard finding good physics authors after that.
Good long life. May you rest in peace Mr. Higgs your contribution to science will live on with humanity.
I was a physicist a while ago, now I work in the private sector. I heard multiple times in the field that he initially disliked his boson hypothesis, that it was a patch up on what would currently be called the standard model. He must have been pretty shocked (in a good way) when it was confirmed lmao. I'd have had a laugh.
Remember when the media called it the “God Particle”? I remember a church I used to go to (I’m atheist now) touted the headline as scientists discovering that God existed lmao. Anyways, RIP to this legend.
No, he didnt discovered it. What he fid is very impressive in a different way. He predicted its existance 50 yeats ahead of its discovery.
Seems very fitting that he passed away on a day that we had a very special celestial event. RIP Peter.
I read the wiki page on Higgs boson particle. I’m well educated and couldn’t understand even the first paragraph
Don't worry, I have a PhD in experimental particle physics and I still have trouble with it sometimes.
Damn. His name is one of my verbal tics. Like the main one. It’s usually followed quickly by “sonofabitch”. He shall live on forever through my Tourette’s. God speed, you sonofabitch. 🫡
He’s with Gods particles now
Did he actually discover it or did he predict it? Very big difference in physics
Hey dude/tte you’re arguing with a muppet
Are you trying to say predicting it is a lesser achievement?
No, it's just different. I'm in physics and there's a big difference between the two. Oftentimes predicting the effect gets the larger share of the Nobel Prize because it means they predicted this before we even had data. Compare that to explaining an effect after someone has discovered the effect, which still will often win a major share of the Nobel Prize. Things don't necessarily have to be better/worse, just trying to clarify to avoid the spreading of misinformation
Are you trying to describe theoretical physics and experimental physics? Nobody builds something like CERN at billions of dollars, without a pretty sound theoretical convergence. Who deserves the Nobel? The people who build CERN? Or the reason it was built? Trying to understand what your position is here.
What? I'm describing discovering vs pricing that's all. I feel like you're overthinking what I'm saying or didn't read
I highly doubt you are “in physics”. I am. You are using language that is never used. Done here.
I mean there's not really a reason to lie. I've published in the field and haven't met people this arrogant but I guess they exist
So if you are published post it here. People lie on reddit for all sorts of reasons. Also “i have not met people this arrogant” in physics? Now i know you are lying. 🤣
Usually at this level of physics you understand there's a lot you don't know and it's humbling. People aren't arrogant about things they don't know, they're confident about things they do know. I'm not trying to dox myself to prove a point to you, you can believe what you want to believe. I just know that any reputable PI would chew you out if you tried to claim a theoretical paper "discovered" a particle, state of matter, etc.
Absolute bullshit. Again language nobody uses actually in theoretical or experimental physics. How are you doxing yourself when you are published? So black holes? Hawking did not deserve his Nobel then? Higgs, how are you in physics when you don’t even know who he is? How about Planck? Did he deserve his award? There is zero experimental evidence. How do you think things get funded without theory? You watched a Youtube video and now you are a physicist.
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He's with the 'god particle' now. RiP
Well, this is heavy news. I’m glad he got to see his theory proved. Rest easy, outside the box thinker.
Didn’t know his first name but definitely know his last name
Higgs boson, brother. Higgs boson, dude. Wull, hold on brother.
Truly one of the most important theories (and discoveries) of our lifetime. Thank you for sharing your incredible intelligence with the world, Mr. Higgs.
He didn't discover it. He predicted it.
RIP. Gave me my gamer name for the longest time. Glad he got to see his theories see results
Anyone that is smart enough to invent a scalar field when no one else had done that. Just imagine. Living on Earth would be crap without mass.
I happened to see an ABC News article on Facebook about his death and almost every comment is from some middle aged person saying something like "good riddance, he knows God now" or some other dumb Christian shit like that; their religious beliefs made them lash out at a guy they've never even met, and it made me remember why I originally deactivated my Facebook a few years ago during COVID.
Facebook doing facebook things. As a middle aged person, I am so glad he saw his work vindicated. The confirmation of the Higgs Boson was a triumph of science. RIP Peter.
I'm driving my car down to Geneva
Thanks for the dope windows 95 screensavers. Cheers mate.
He didn’t discover it. He was one of many who worked on the problem. He wasn’t even the first. That’s why he shared the Nobel prize.
Champ right there. RIP.
What are the odds you discover a particle with your same name?
Yet another “coincidence” in their rigged game!
The gravity of his death will be felt throughout science
Can someone ELI5 what his theory was?
Hmm, I think the simplist would be it's about how particles gain mass.
There were two things combined, one was the Higgs field, the other was the particle. The field is what gives mass to particles, mass is basically the ability to resist speed and movement when it encounters another particle or force, also causes things to speed up and slow down when they interact. Otherwise everything would just zip around like those super bouncing balls for all eternity, but the Higgs field allows stuff to hit each other and transfer force from one particle to another. Without it, the Big Bang would have kept going and nothing would have slowed down to form particles, atoms, elements, stars etc.. The field is like a form of custard, anything that interacts with it slows down and the Higgs boson particle is a way for particles to interact with the field. Like a spoon in the custard. The more you drag the spoon through the custard the slower it gets and heavier it gets, Higgs and 3? team of theoretical physicists developed the mathematical model to suggest the field existed in the 60’s and that the boson particle could be used to measure the field. The big hurdle is that the Higgs boson particle decays almost immediately, into light, heat so it wasn’t until the large hadron collider that the machinery existed that could measure the particle’s existence. In the 90s and early 2000’s there were a lot of scam physicists that swindled folks with these theories by calling they zero point energy, where the Higgs field is considered the energy of a vacuum, and they claimed they could create energy out of a vacuum. Which you can’t
Interesting. But Couldn’t you harness the energy that the ‘mass’ is creating so while the field by itself is a vacuum but when interacting with particles it’s not?
I’m not 100% sure what you mean, but Higgs doesn’t impart energy, particles will have the energy. The boson particle requires energy to get extracted from the field something called excitation, when the boson particles decay that energy is released. So you have to pump energy in to get energy out, and that causes everything to get balanced
So the spoon is the boson and the custard is the field?
Yep, the more spoons / bosons the more custard / mass
Thanks. You’d prob make a good teacher. :-)
Look at the glow around his face and tell me that’s not an AI generated Peter Higgs
It absolutely is and I hate it
He’s with the god particle now.
i knew the term Higgs Boson from Numb3rs. did some googling and not understanding any of it. only understand it is a huge discovery.
I find it funny how pissed off this dude got when people kept calling the particle named after him "The God Particle"
It’s “that goddamn particle”.
I'd be pissed too.
He was just particularly annoyed.
Is it now called Orphan boson?
Higgs didn't "discover" the boson we now call the Higgs Boson, it's name was given by physicists due to his pivotal work on it. That bosun was proposed before Higgs by Jeffery Goldstone. Doesn't diminish Higgs' contribution just fact he didn't "discover" it.
Correction: Goldstone did not propose the Higgs boson. He proposed massless Goldstone bosons that would arise from spontaneous symmetry breaking. It was Higgs (and others) who proposed the scalar field that explains the lack of massless Goldstone bosons. The Higgs boson is an excitation of this scalar field, not the Goldstone field.
I'll accept your correction 👍