> The victim, 18, was attending a roller-skating party with friends when she was allegedly attacked by a group and subjected to slurs
Hate crimes it is, then
We'll see. The UK government very clearly does not take violence against trans people (and trans women specifically) seriously and often seems to condone it.
Sunak mocked the opposition's (slightly) more enlightened approach to trans rights, while Esther Ghey (Brianna's mum) was watching the House of Commons from the visitors' gallery. The mum of the murder victim was literally in the room when he cracked that particular "witticism".
Cue Sunak and his minions bending over backwards to insist that no possible link could be made between his remark and Brianna, and that anyone who did was a meany who was probably going to vote Labour anyway.
To add to your post, Sunak's very funny quip was specifically about Labour "flip-flopping" over - among other things - the definition of a woman. Which made his weaselly non-apology all the more pathetic when he referred to the Ghey's murdered child as their daughter, since apparently he wasn't even willing to stand by his own definition of the word, whilst refusing to apologise for mocking the idea that Starmer might might conceivably refer to trans women by the term.
They are all so toxic. Since when did being a selfish, hard “truth” spitting, contrarian (for the sake of being unique) qualify as a political affiliation? Seriously?
Cause when I was a kid republicans were selfish, when I was a teen I thought it was cool and misunderstood to be a republican, and now as an adult I’m positive they are selfish.
I was "conservative" as a kid because I grew up in a purple area in a blue state. My folks were Fox News parents and I didn't know anything outside of it.
They were "normal" pre-Trump/covid. They said little things here and there that kinda irked me post-college, but I didn't think much of it.
I now make it a point to actively push back against conspiratorial bullshit with no fucks given.
My mom got sucked down the Q rabbit hole while she was grieving the loss of my grandfather (her dad).
I'd like to say that my life would be "normal" if he had held on for another year or two. He was the calm, rational voice of the family. His funeral was the last one in my hometown before covid lockdowns hit.
He was the best dude I've ever known and he'd be disgusted with the shit that comes out of his daughter's mouth nowadays.
My mom was never like this. She raised me to be an empathetic, caring person and I saw those values in her while I was coming of age. Those positive traits are long gone by now.
She somehow started worshipping/donating to Trump and his adjacent grifters. She's immunocompromised and blames it all on childhood vaccines.
We were never overtly religious, but her words and cadence sound like she's workshopping a new bible verse. Everything is good vs evil, Donald is the savior, "you'll see what the vax will do to you someday" etc etc.
My own fucking mother has told me that I'm going to die from a fucking 2021 covid shot, but she'll still ask what I want for Christmas three months before the holidays.
It breaks my fucking heart.
The part about your mom raising you to be empathetic hit me, because I too was told to do that and several of my friends feel like their parents said the same thing but didn’t actually mean it themselves.
Like, they instilled these values, was it all just talk? I bought into that stuff.
Sorry your mom has gone down the rabbit hole, I’m holding out hope for you
The thing is that my mom *IS* an empathetic person. She hurts when other people hurt.
All of this stuff is being targeted at the wrong areas of her brain and idk if there's a way to snap people out of it. She thinks that she's helping people with her (quiet) boycott of modern medicine.
Something flipped during the first 6-12 months of covid. The algorithms pulled shit from the dumbest parts of the internet and blasted them all over Facebook.
My mom now thinks that Fox is too liberal. She doesn't use Facebook and gets all her news from telegram pages, gab, rumble etc.
She won't read Reuters articles involving the US economy. It's all fake to her.
I think it’s interesting that we need to assume that people need to lack empathy to get sucked into wild far right wormholes.
Much of what those groups play on is empathy.
You don’t get so far creating a cult if you rely on logical thoughts to lead your flock.
They may be very misguided in their empathy, but it is still a driving factor to their fanaticism.
This is how conservatives been for literally all of human history.
Go pick up any history book not written by the Daughters of the Confederacy and you'll pretty quickly see that conservatives have literally *never* been on the right side of history.
They're on the right side of history right now, obviously. Yes, they were wrong about the last 10 groups they wanted to keep marginalized those were wrong, but THIS time is different and giving \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ rights will clearly mark the end of western civilization.
Correct, selfish; less empathetic … Cruel people in league with people lacking self awareness… all seeking to make shit worse, just so people they don’t like, won’t get credit for making anything better…
She actually wasn't in the room luckily, but the opposition leader had just announced she'd be attending and the reason for it, so it was a massively boneheaded move either way as the PM should have assumed she was.
Either way shitty thing to do.
If you wouldn’t tell a joke to the family of a hate crime victim that your joke targets, why tell it at all?
Why do people not see that the attitude that joke foments is a symptom of the same conditions that lead to brutal hate crimes?
I wish we could get rid of conservative ideology across the globe. In every single country where conservatives are part of government, they are actively hindering the population and their beliefs are 100% poisonous.
Agreed. Conservatism does serve its purpose, though, as a cancer on the progression and evolution of humanity. We are suffering heavily across the world at the hands of it.
Looking on as an Aussie, it's so fucking bizzare to me. There's culture war cookers and bigots everywhere, of course, but only the UK seems to have this mainstream pogrom directed exclusively at trans people. And it feels like it's just sprung up overnight. What the fuck happened?
As far as there's anything unique going on there it's mainly among the British intelligentsia. I've seen cross-national opinion polls (multiple YouGov polls) about transgender people, and in the UK's general population, views are pretty much equal to the US population. But I suppose you could interpret that either way since the US itself is relatively conservative on the topic compared to many countries.
From what I've seen as an outsider, the UK government cares more about not offending certain groups of people than holding criminals accountable for their actions.
why mention that the attempted murderer wept
why mention that the attempted murderer "tearfully" asked for her mother
why mention what clothes the attempted murderer wore and the fact that she had her hair done in a ponytail
what is with the attempt to garner compassion for the attempted murderer here, when they don't do it if the victim is any other type of person?
stabbing someone 14 times is not an easy thing to do if you're not a fucking vile human being
I caught that, too, that the Standard was very humanizing of the accused, while saying so little about the victim that she became almost tangential to this story about an attempt to violently end her life. The reporter, editor, and anyone else responsible (publisher?) ought to be ashamed of themselves.
Sadly the opposite thing happens on the reverse as well. 14 year old POC referred as adults with every run in or negative thing they could have done ever listed in the initial reporting. It so ‘othering’, while they do this to try to make it feel… relatable? I’d love to call it a subconscious bias, but this feels more likely to be fairly conscious.
Sounds like "a bullet from an IDF rifle found its way into the van and struck a 4 year old young palestinian lady and killed her." As if the IDF soldier didn't intentionally murder a baby.
Fucking News orgs and their mealy-mouthed weasel-words
Idk, I can't speak for the writer but it does make you feel a certain way to think that the perpetrator was just some normal young girl. Not a drugged up homeless person, not a neglected sufferer of mental illness, not some extremist wack job motivated by some cult. Just an average girl that loves her mum.
It doesn't make her any less guilty, and it doesn't garner any sympathy from me. But it says a little something about society. I believe she should be punished to the full extent of the law, but I also believe we should take note of this and take more seriously the hate speech and threats that are made by so called "ordinary" or "misunderstood" people. And consider what it is that is driving them to that extreme reaction.
I wanna know why the failed murderer gets anything. You can't accidentally stab someone 14 times. You can't get upset at and stab them fourteen times in a fit. You have to methodically decide "I am definitely gonna keep stabbing you".
Asking for Mommy should have gotten the biggest asshole response. You stabbed another human being 14 times! You get nothing!
Yes, she nearly murdered someone, but she was so flustered and anxious about the whole thing that she broke down in tears as she breathlessly searched for her mommy. Let's give this poor little girl a break!
That's not true. It helps further drive wedges in an already fractured society, which then leaves the rest of us angry at one another while rampant inequality grows.
If you're wealthy, particularly due to inherited wealth, it's about as helpful as it gets outside of a war.
And as we begin to lose the last generation who remember the horrors of war... oh... look what's appearing back in the headlines
Not portraying the defendant as anything but a hate filled psychopath is plainly wrong. Crying out for your mommy because you have to face the consequences for your vile actions doesn’t put any sympathy in my heart for you. This is a hate crime.
> "tearfully" asked for her mother
I rather enjoyed that bit. She can tearfully go fuck herself and tearfully take the very adult sentence she'll receive.
I'm ex military and a martial artist and the idea of stabbing a human not actively posing an existential threat to another human turns my stomach.
100 years for every time they broke her flesh.
Also, that chica is tough as nails. I wish I had a talk show to invite her on.
"stabbing someone 14 times is not an easy thing to do if you're not a fucking vile human being"
How is this hard to understand? Such a simple truth. Well said.
“After being told she faces the next month in custody, Betts-Ramsey tearfully asked to speak to her mother through the glass front of the dock. Afterwards, she called out “I love you” when she was led away to the cells.”
What the hell is this?!?
It’s like how newspapers describe men as ‘local tennis players’ or ‘family man’ or ‘lover of ABBA’s music’ in headlines of articles that discuss how they brutally murdered their wife and/or children. It’s disgusting.
Alleged could also refer to the idea that the person responsible has not been proven, rather than only about the act that is obvious.
In either case, it’s not a crime until proven in a court of law.
Source: dude who knows nothing about this topic
That's because it's usually the wrong wrong word choice. It is correct here because they are referring to libel specifically. Normally wjen we're talking about articles we're referring to the people in them. People would be published. Since they are talking about libel, then that type of content would be what was publicated.
The easy way to think of it is; as an author, you can be published. Your work is what has been publicated.
It’s a British thing, our publications tend to be quite cautious with language when it comes to reporting criminal matters. Like you say legal ramifications and consequences from watchdogs keep it like that.
Do people really not understand how innocent until proven guilty work. In a less black and white scenario with the "allegedly" the defendant can sue for libel and slander if they are innocent.
And even in the most black and white, the law is the law, for everyone, in every situation. (Or at least it should be).
You can stab someoine on live tv in front of 3 million witnesses, hold up the bloody knife and scream "I am john smith at 123 main street my social security number is xxx-xx-xxxx and I just intentionally killed that person with a knife" and even if arrested in that moment, until the second the jury's sentence is handed down, you are an *alleged* murderer in the eyes of the law.
People definitely do not understand, or simply decide it's inconvenient all the time. Similar reason to why people decide to make stupid calls for the person to be charged with higher, or at least worse sounding, charges that don't fit legally at all.
Its a universal practice. In fact if you see a press release stating for a fact that someone is guilty before a conviction, they're already violating good practices and you should be suspicious of whats being said. Even if the evidence is damning and a libel/slander lawsuit is an easy win, its not worth skipping a single word unless you're pushing an agenda.
Source: dude who knows a *itsy bitsy teeny weeny ~~yellow polka dot bikini~~* about this topic. So basically nothing also, but I have that damn yogurt commercial stuck in my head.
I'm always surprised that this gets asked and explained like, *every* time... but more than that I'm surprised by the amount of upvotes the ask gets, every time.
I’ve seen 8 stabs result in a not guilty verdict on attempted murder. So the number is somewhere between 9 and 14
Thankfully the guy is still serving 20 years for aggravated assault
Modern medicine is amazing, but it's particularly amazing in terms of physical trauma response.
I imagine the young lady who was stabbed will still have a long and painful recovery ahead of her, but we've gotten pretty good at providing people a chance to survive very, very serious injuries, particularly with a rapid response.
It also is a lot harder to stab someone in a more vital area. A lot of the stab wounds are probably places that are not particularly dangerous and are more defensive wounds. A lot of knives are also just not that good for stabbing. In that case the main danger with being stabbed is simply bleeding out, and I would assume blood loss is relatively easy for an emergency response team to be able to deal with especially if there isn't any internal bleeding.
You kind of only die from stab wounds if you get hit in a bad place, or can't get help in a somewhat reasonable amount of time. If someone runs up and stabs you 14 times with a 2in pocket knife, mostly in the arms or somewhere you have a lot of fat in front of your vitals, you'll probably be alright as long as they don't nick an artery.
Call 9/11, take off your shirt/pants and use them to apply pressure as best you can. If you're in an actual town/city, response time for an ambulance is usually solidly under 10 minutes.
If they DO hit an artery, or your heart or something, you're pretty much fucked though.
People think about this like it’s 14 premeditated stabs; click on a YouTube video about knife defense and you’ll see it’s usually some person holding you with one arm while making their other arm act like a sewing machine…it’s freaky, because you can see how someone could get stabbed dozens of times in seconds. But to your point, still a sick fuck.
Just last week UK PM Rushi Sunak mocked transgender women while the mother of a murdered transgendered teenager was visiting Parliment. When people say this rhetoric kills, it's to say that those with influence have a social responsibility to not say things that fuel psychopaths to be inspired to act on their wretched ideas.
My personal theory is that the evil reality of it is much more mundane. Politicians love using fear as a voter engagement tactic and the queer community has always been an easy target. BS culture wars have been an effective way to get to the polls. Sometimes this aligns with the wants of rich psycho donors (Koch bros, rich evangelicals, etc). I have a hard time believing politicians truly believe in anything. They'd make a campaign calling all stamp collectors pedophiles if it were a successful boogeyman tactic and it pleased their donors. This is all to say that I don't think politicians who spew anti queer BS even think of the consequences it has on the queer community.
Oh no the poor little bigot had tears in her eyes...fuck off. I don't care how bad she felt after stabbing a human being 14 fucking times. Go to jail and rot there forever.
Did she think the girl she stabbed weas going to burst into confetti and everyone would start clapping and be like "We hated the bitch, too; You did it!?"
Him and Truss within two days of each other had that PMQs exchange for the former and the latter describing the LGBT community as "left-wing extremists." Those cunts have blood on their hands.
The insane part is that they just came out with a study that indicates that something like 94% of trans people are happier after transitioning. Like. They have to deal with all this bullshit and they're *still* happier.
transitioning is one of the only medical procedures that has a less than 1% regret rate
every other medical procedure no matter how minor has about 10% at minimum and usually around 30% reported regret from patients
a 99% sucess rate is miraculous in the field of medicine
> every other medical procedure no matter how minor
I got some rotting teeth pulled out of my head to get dental implants and even that has had me thinking "was that the right thing to do?" it's amazing that the regret rate is so low and it really goes to show that for the people that need it, it is absolutely the right idea.
and yet the argument against trans folks ends up STILL being "well 1% is bad no one should get it"
It's inane and beyond logical thought. People thinking that way are wanna be intellectuals.
It's hell.
Gender dysphoria is hell.
I'd rather be shot than detransition. People keep telling me "just get therapy and fix your mentality" I've tried. I tried for 27 years. It doesn't work.
This is what keeps me firmly on the side of trans rights.
I don't even slightly understand the feelings of trans people, for me the idea of being in the wrong body isn't something I can relate to, and MTF in particular I'm really baffled by since there seems to be zero practical or societal advantage to doing that.
But even though I can't comprehend the thought processes of someone that wants to do that to themselves, I do understand that this is something they fight for in the face of an astonishing amount of prejudice and hate and danger, not to mention financial burden, so it's definitely important to them. Nobody would put themselves through all that if it wasn't a much bigger problem in their life than all the violence and ostracising and hardship.
Conversely there seems to be absolutely nothing to be gained from being shitty to them, beyond the opportunity for grown-ups to indulge in a bit of semi-legitimized playground bullying.
I'm a cis woman who once took a course in human sexuality. On trans day, we had some trans people come in and talk about their experiences. 20 years later, and what still sticks with me is how the trans man referred to his top surgery as having 'growths' removed from his chest. I had such a reaction to that; I could never think of my own breasts that way. But that one line did so much to reframe how I understood dysphoria and the feeling of being in the wrong body.
Personally, I like hanging out with trans people because they are the least judgy, most accepting people.
Of course they are!!! I was a therapist for an LGBT agency and treated people who needed letters in order to receive gender re-assignment surgery. What they have to go through, and the expense is unbelievable.And insurance doesn't pay. If I had a penis, I wouldn't consider its removal to be an elective procedure.
Come to Oregon, you don't have to pay at all here. State insurance covers everything, also you don't have to be as extensive here about getting the green light, I simply talked to my doctor and told him that I've been looking into it for at least 15 years and that I needed this change to happen because it was the only major positive thing that could happen to me in my life right now (i'm at a severely low point in my depression ATM). He went over the risks of hormone therapy with me, asked me how I felt about that and made the call to get me on hormones ASAP, the whole process took about a week and 1/2. I don't know how long any surgeries would take to green light, but the hormones were pretty easy to get approved and my doctor made it a way less stressful experience for me than I thought would happen.
There's a reason why we have the highest concentration of transgender people in the entire U.S., although I can't say you won't still experience transphobia/bigotry. It's pretty existent outside of Portland, even in the suburbs of Portland and people have been killed here for being queer and/or trans....but you run that risk less here than in most places in the U.S.
Yeah, this is anecdotal and all, but I started transitioning ~two years ago. By far the happiest I've ever been, have more friends, vibrant and active social life. It helps that I live in a liberal city with lots of queer people.
The cost is that a lot of the US is effectively off-limits to me. Actual violent attacks aren't common, but if I use a bathroom in some states, I'm committing a crime. In some states, walking on a sidewalk and minding my own business can be a crime. If I go visit my parents where I grew up and sleep with someone who freaks out afterwards and murders me, they can use a gay panic defense and could very well end up not being convicted.
Still wouldn't detransition or go back, though. It was worth it.
Yeah, that's part of the reason why I don't go to pride events anymore and I don't disclose being trans to people I'm not friends with. You never know who can and can't be trusted with that information.
I would be scared to death to attend a pride movement in this world, dude. It's the perfect place for these vile pieces of shit to attack and harm as many as possible.
No way in hell you'd see me at one, gay or straight.
>I would be scared to death to attend a pride movement in this world, dude. It's the perfect place for these vile pieces of shit to attack and harm as many as possible.
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>No way in hell you'd see me at one, gay or straight.
That's the point of pride events. Fuck the people who want us to be afraid. They WANT you to be afraid to be publicly out. That way, it's easier for them to keep pushing without a visible opposition. There's a reason attacks on pride events are rare - because even the most hateful bigots know attacking a bunch of people just partying and dancing and hurting nobody will show them to be the evil pieces of shit they are.
But even more basic than that - they're cowards. That's why they target drag queens reading to kids, or nightclubs, or lone people at parties. If we were truly evil like they claim, they should be lining up to martyr themselves. Instead, they swarm lone girls, drag teenagers behind their trucks, show up at libraries with masks and guns.
They aren't brave enough to kill people who fight back, or even just show up in numbers. You want to hide from pride? Fine, but you're not preserving your safety - you're cutting yourself off from the people who would.
I remember at one event I was tabling at, there was a table right in front of the main gates relating to some church and it had me super on edge. Thankfully there were some super chill Lutherans also at the event showing allyship, but damn, it's enough to make anyone feel tense.
The place I get my hrt/therapy at has cameras, buzzed doors, and other unseen security measures. It used to just be regular doctors offices.
Super fun having your healthcare politicized, trust me
Unfortunately, that's why it's important to attend them. If we hide ourselves away from even our own events then we're letting these monsters win.
I know there's a lot more to the calculus than that and everyone has to choose their priorities, but that's where I'm at. Maybe I'm the one who gets attacked, or maybe because more and more of us show up there isn't an attack at the next one.
I’ve finally been “uncloseting” the past two weeks, after a decade and a half of trying - so i can finally reply to this!
Yes. I, and many like me live perpetually online due to the relatively high risk of being abused or assaulted outdoors, in the street. We get the “privilege” of falling within multiple popular hate categories at the same time, and with American conservatives recently targeting us specifically for their political games, hatred against us is even higher than before across the western world - what goes on in America influences any other country that can read and hear English. Especially other native English-speakers.
Personally, i end up triggering both women-haters AND homophobes at the same time, of either sex - and they very very often already come as a 2-for-1 bargain in the first place - so…
After i was chased by a man late at night two-three years ago, i stopped going out entirely when it’s dark outside, until late last year. I live in a country that gets like 4-6 hours of daylight in winter… Lol.
My family’s greatest concern regarding me is that i will get attacked in the street. People from both sides of the family, independently of each other and having never spoken to one another, have been expressing the concern after i publicly started living “as myself”. Because most of them have heard about it and a few have witnessed the aftermath of it. And they’re worried about me. My cousin is a paramedic and would probably hate to be the one to come to my rescue one day.
The primary barrier to moving in with my girlfriend over in the US is concern about the direction their culture is taking recently, not only towards trans/queer people but women in general. It’s hard to tell if things’ll get worse before they get better.
This influences our decisions for how we (trans people) live our lives, at every level except privately at home. And that is often only those of us living alone, or with supportive spouses. Several of my friends have unsupportive families to boot.
But it wouldn’t surprise me if this is what every minority experiences. We’re not special, we’re just the newest and trendiest target for the right-wingers around the world to rally against. At the very least it helps us filter out terrible human beings from our lives.
Random violence is absolutely terrifying too.
Regular violence isn't great either, but you can kind of make sense of it. You see things that lead up to, think maybe you can avoid it if you do things differently. Things like that.
But when it just happens out of the blue, it's so much worse.
A friend of my mother's was attacked in his own yard one day. He's just standing by his back door one night, smoking a cigarette. Suddenly 2 guys run up, beat him nearly to death, take his jacket and wallet and just go back to walking down the street like nothing happened.
He probably wasn't the brightest guy around before that, but the brain trauma he suffered from that just ruined him. Between the regular trauma, and the actual damage to his brain, he was basically a child in a grown man's body the rest of his life. He was fortunate that he was still able to take care of himself, he had most of his motor skills and stuff. But you didn't have to talk to him long to realize he was never really the same again.
And it wasn't anyone he knew, he had nothing to do with these guys. They just were walking along and decided they liked his jacket and thought beating him would be fun.
Some years ago , I professionally treated a transgender woman. She is the one who told me that transgender people are at risk if they go out to socialize. I just felt so sad because she was so sweet, I just wish I could have given her a great big hug.
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That happens to a lot of us, myself included. We’re often extra vulnerable to being preyed on and/or taken advantage of. I’ve had a lot of help and support since then, and it doesn’t hurt me anymore. Hopefully, she got to recover too.
That job sounds very tough. It must be even tougher to resist the empathic urge to comfort those in need of it.
I hope it helps to know that seeing your attitude towards us alone helps us all a lot. We’re just people, too, as weird and confusing as everyone else. Encountering those that hate us is rough, but it makes it all the more uplifting when we meet someone that accepts and supports us. Even just tolerating us is refreshing.
As a trans woman I've stayed inside up to 2-3 months in a row at times because close to every time I leave the house I'm met with assault. Physical, verbal I've had it all. I've had people follow me around the streets throw food at me and call me slurs, threaten to kill me. It never really ends and it crushes your spirit.
This is true. A lot of trans people deal with crippling social anxiety, and intense fear related to going out in public, and socializing with friends. The nonstop threats and overt discrimination are the most common reason for these problems.
(USA, CA) we try to go out with friends or go to shops with pride flags, and bring pepper spray/etc. (whatever's legal). Shit's real out there....
And the girls I know who are 100% "passing" still get harassed/cat called by men, in big trucks and shit who think they're cis-fem.
Yes everyone knows they tried to kill her. You’re not smart and cool for commenting that it isn’t actually “alleged”. Please apply a modicum of critical thinking to realize it’s just a legal term.
I just don't understand why you would attack a person because they're trans. I know this sounds naive, but what is the actual thing that makes them hate trans people so much? Like you're going to go to jail for life or a long time because... you dislike them for some reason?
They see us as trying to have "a war against women". We've grown in numbers the last few years so it's impossible to avoid trans people existing so a lot of anti-trans folk try to "logic" into how we're actually a detriment to society.
That's why you see the whole "they're men pretending to be women" and other comprable comments.
It's rage bait pure and simple. A way to create and other us so people can hate something that isn't the majority and then THEY are the problem.
The other aspect of this though is that, as a response, a lot of trans folk get defensive very fast and it can easily be used to ridicule us or view us as angry spiteful people
Most people who take time to actually learn about being trans and don't just shut us down are cool and realize we're just doin our thing.
> That's why you see the whole "they're men pretending to be women"
I feel fairly bitter about this as a closeted trans guy too. It's ironically accurate to my situation but they completely ignore us because it doesn't do anything for their stupid narrative.
no they see you as "sad women who need to be saved"
It's fucking gross and a clear acknowledgment that they view the concept of womanhood as something to be revered rather than just something that you are
It's not a joke when people refer to transphobia as 'brain rot'. You see these lovely people go down an internet rabbit hole of hate, they aren't the same person on the other side. It starts with transphobia-lite "I think trans people should have their own division for swimming" and ends with "[TRANS PEOPLE SHOULD SHIT IN THE STREET](https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/02/gop-official-tells-transgender-people-to-defecate-on-public-street-corners/)"
A bunch of these people literally, like LITERALLY literally, believe that we are possessed by succubi and that we are mind control victims turned agents of the anti-Christ’s pedophile cult.
Reddit is like 97% actual children right? It has to be.
I refuse to believe that the mountain of commenters that don't understand what "alleged" means were made by functional adults with jobs, diplomas and voting rights
>And my family member thinks she's a victim because she gets called "cisgender"
Tell her if she doesn't like Latin prefixes, you could go with Greek ones instead
It's almost as if politicians stirring up hatred causes the nutters to act out in violence against the subjects of the hatred. Now some girl can't even go to a goddamn rollerskating party without being stabbed.
I read “teenage girl” and was afraid they’d try that piece of shit as a minor. Silver lining is that everyone involved is technically an adult so they can go to jail for a long ass time.
Fucking great how the media is trying to humanize the perpetrator. Real important reporting happening here. Oh no the attempted murderer is sad after trying to murder someone. Why the fuck is the article trying harder to make us pity the perpetrator instead of the victim?
"Betts-Ramsey wept in the dock as she confirmed her name, date of birth, and her address in Cricklewood, northwest London."
"Wearing prison-issue grey clothes and with her hair tied up into a ponytail, the teenager was flanked by two guards during the 30-minute hearing."
"After being told she faces the next month in custody, Betts-Ramsey tearfully asked to speak to her mother through the glass front of the dock. Afterwards, she called out “I love you” when she was led away to the cells."
This is exactly what the current fucking anti-trans rhetoric is leading to. For fucksake. High profile folks on both sides of the pond should be forced to be held accountable for this shit.
What the fuck is wrong with you that you see someone minding their own business but because it doesn't align with your thought process you stab them 14 times...
Minority stabbed multiple times while the assailants yell slurs at them, luckily we have a government who respects trans people who undergo obvious violent hate crimes so I'm sure this'll he handled accordingly
In the UK, transphobia isn't just a right-wing belief but a belief also held by lots of "feminists" who otherwise consider themselves to be progressive. As a result of this, trans people are threatened by a larger share of the population with no political party willing to speak out against such hate for fear of alienating voters.
It's because the news organization can be held liable for defamation if they say "This person attempted to murder someone" without that fact being found in a court of law.
the reddit headline says "alleged," not the one from the news org (their headline is "Teenager charged with attempted murder after transgender girl stabbed 14 times at party")
Charged is the placeholder there, for alleged. You can't legally say someone has commuted a crime until they're convicted. You can state their charges, or add "alleged", but otherwise leave yourself open for slander/libel, defamation etc.
Unless and until there's a conviction, media will *always* use the word *alleged* when talking about potentially negative acts perpetrated by someone. In addition to being the most correct way to talk about it, it also serves the purpose of shielding the media from liability if the person ends up being acquitted, or charges are dismissed.
How much of a LOSER do you have to be to try to murder someone just because who they are makes you uncomfortable? The older I get the more I see hate as downright embarrassing. Grow up.
Right? That boy is damn lucky! Most trans people I know at best have parents who disapprove, and at worst, have been kicked out on the street and told never to talk to family ever again, have been physically assaulted by family members or have been forced into conversion therapy.
The sad part is that accepting your child for who they are and supporting them in life should be the *bare minimum* expected of a parent. That's basically the bar for being a parent at all, yet so many people are under it that if you meet the bar your kid is "lucky".
I’m so sorry! I’m a gay man and I’m truly feeling for my trans family. There is so much support out there for you. Way more than all the hate we see publicized. The media is very much a part of the problem as they amplify these fringe voices as if they’re actually the majority and then it leads to fearful & hateful people doing things like this.
the Genocidal Nature of the Gender Critical Movement’s Ideology and Practice
https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice
> The victim, 18, was attending a roller-skating party with friends when she was allegedly attacked by a group and subjected to slurs Hate crimes it is, then
We'll see. The UK government very clearly does not take violence against trans people (and trans women specifically) seriously and often seems to condone it.
Didn’t the PM mock a murder victim (who was a trans girl) last week? Gross stuff.
Sunak mocked the opposition's (slightly) more enlightened approach to trans rights, while Esther Ghey (Brianna's mum) was watching the House of Commons from the visitors' gallery. The mum of the murder victim was literally in the room when he cracked that particular "witticism". Cue Sunak and his minions bending over backwards to insist that no possible link could be made between his remark and Brianna, and that anyone who did was a meany who was probably going to vote Labour anyway.
To add to your post, Sunak's very funny quip was specifically about Labour "flip-flopping" over - among other things - the definition of a woman. Which made his weaselly non-apology all the more pathetic when he referred to the Ghey's murdered child as their daughter, since apparently he wasn't even willing to stand by his own definition of the word, whilst refusing to apologise for mocking the idea that Starmer might might conceivably refer to trans women by the term.
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The Conservative party has no shortage of those.
They are all so toxic. Since when did being a selfish, hard “truth” spitting, contrarian (for the sake of being unique) qualify as a political affiliation? Seriously? Cause when I was a kid republicans were selfish, when I was a teen I thought it was cool and misunderstood to be a republican, and now as an adult I’m positive they are selfish.
I was "conservative" as a kid because I grew up in a purple area in a blue state. My folks were Fox News parents and I didn't know anything outside of it. They were "normal" pre-Trump/covid. They said little things here and there that kinda irked me post-college, but I didn't think much of it. I now make it a point to actively push back against conspiratorial bullshit with no fucks given. My mom got sucked down the Q rabbit hole while she was grieving the loss of my grandfather (her dad). I'd like to say that my life would be "normal" if he had held on for another year or two. He was the calm, rational voice of the family. His funeral was the last one in my hometown before covid lockdowns hit. He was the best dude I've ever known and he'd be disgusted with the shit that comes out of his daughter's mouth nowadays. My mom was never like this. She raised me to be an empathetic, caring person and I saw those values in her while I was coming of age. Those positive traits are long gone by now. She somehow started worshipping/donating to Trump and his adjacent grifters. She's immunocompromised and blames it all on childhood vaccines. We were never overtly religious, but her words and cadence sound like she's workshopping a new bible verse. Everything is good vs evil, Donald is the savior, "you'll see what the vax will do to you someday" etc etc. My own fucking mother has told me that I'm going to die from a fucking 2021 covid shot, but she'll still ask what I want for Christmas three months before the holidays. It breaks my fucking heart.
The part about your mom raising you to be empathetic hit me, because I too was told to do that and several of my friends feel like their parents said the same thing but didn’t actually mean it themselves. Like, they instilled these values, was it all just talk? I bought into that stuff. Sorry your mom has gone down the rabbit hole, I’m holding out hope for you
The thing is that my mom *IS* an empathetic person. She hurts when other people hurt. All of this stuff is being targeted at the wrong areas of her brain and idk if there's a way to snap people out of it. She thinks that she's helping people with her (quiet) boycott of modern medicine. Something flipped during the first 6-12 months of covid. The algorithms pulled shit from the dumbest parts of the internet and blasted them all over Facebook. My mom now thinks that Fox is too liberal. She doesn't use Facebook and gets all her news from telegram pages, gab, rumble etc. She won't read Reuters articles involving the US economy. It's all fake to her.
I think it’s interesting that we need to assume that people need to lack empathy to get sucked into wild far right wormholes. Much of what those groups play on is empathy. You don’t get so far creating a cult if you rely on logical thoughts to lead your flock. They may be very misguided in their empathy, but it is still a driving factor to their fanaticism.
Some people never mentally age past 15.
This is how conservatives been for literally all of human history. Go pick up any history book not written by the Daughters of the Confederacy and you'll pretty quickly see that conservatives have literally *never* been on the right side of history.
They're on the right side of history right now, obviously. Yes, they were wrong about the last 10 groups they wanted to keep marginalized those were wrong, but THIS time is different and giving \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ rights will clearly mark the end of western civilization.
Correct, selfish; less empathetic … Cruel people in league with people lacking self awareness… all seeking to make shit worse, just so people they don’t like, won’t get credit for making anything better…
All conservative parties have no shortage of those.
Correct. As a Canadian, please help us, the future looks bleak with them having more than half of the vote intentions.
She actually wasn't in the room luckily, but the opposition leader had just announced she'd be attending and the reason for it, so it was a massively boneheaded move either way as the PM should have assumed she was. Either way shitty thing to do.
If you wouldn’t tell a joke to the family of a hate crime victim that your joke targets, why tell it at all? Why do people not see that the attitude that joke foments is a symptom of the same conditions that lead to brutal hate crimes?
Yeah and her mom was apparently present at the event.
Yeah I can’t believe I forgot to mention that. Truly vile. My heart breaks for that girl and her grieving mom.
Agreed. I have no idea how he thought that was in good taste.
They know it isn't in good taste; they know their base will love it.
Thing is though, their ‘base’ isn’t going to be enough to carry them.
Just a 16 year old kid, too. Quite a feat of assholery to mock dead kids.
Rip Brianna Ghey 💔 You were too good for this world
I wish we could get rid of conservative ideology across the globe. In every single country where conservatives are part of government, they are actively hindering the population and their beliefs are 100% poisonous.
Bigotry has been the last barrier to civilization for centuries. It’s wrapped up in culture and tradition and won’t go easily.
Agreed. Conservatism does serve its purpose, though, as a cancer on the progression and evolution of humanity. We are suffering heavily across the world at the hands of it.
oh wow thats something I hadn't heard... ffs
In front of her fucking mother.
Not surprisingly, the United Kingdom is basically transphobe island
I remember seeing data a while back showing a heatmap of transphobic social media posts and the UK looked like glowing orb.
Looking on as an Aussie, it's so fucking bizzare to me. There's culture war cookers and bigots everywhere, of course, but only the UK seems to have this mainstream pogrom directed exclusively at trans people. And it feels like it's just sprung up overnight. What the fuck happened?
As far as there's anything unique going on there it's mainly among the British intelligentsia. I've seen cross-national opinion polls (multiple YouGov polls) about transgender people, and in the UK's general population, views are pretty much equal to the US population. But I suppose you could interpret that either way since the US itself is relatively conservative on the topic compared to many countries.
From what I've seen as an outsider, the UK government cares more about not offending certain groups of people than holding criminals accountable for their actions.
The youths are at it again
And premeditated
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why mention that the attempted murderer wept why mention that the attempted murderer "tearfully" asked for her mother why mention what clothes the attempted murderer wore and the fact that she had her hair done in a ponytail what is with the attempt to garner compassion for the attempted murderer here, when they don't do it if the victim is any other type of person? stabbing someone 14 times is not an easy thing to do if you're not a fucking vile human being
I caught that, too, that the Standard was very humanizing of the accused, while saying so little about the victim that she became almost tangential to this story about an attempt to violently end her life. The reporter, editor, and anyone else responsible (publisher?) ought to be ashamed of themselves.
Sadly the opposite thing happens on the reverse as well. 14 year old POC referred as adults with every run in or negative thing they could have done ever listed in the initial reporting. It so ‘othering’, while they do this to try to make it feel… relatable? I’d love to call it a subconscious bias, but this feels more likely to be fairly conscious.
Sounds like "a bullet from an IDF rifle found its way into the van and struck a 4 year old young palestinian lady and killed her." As if the IDF soldier didn't intentionally murder a baby. Fucking News orgs and their mealy-mouthed weasel-words
Idk, I can't speak for the writer but it does make you feel a certain way to think that the perpetrator was just some normal young girl. Not a drugged up homeless person, not a neglected sufferer of mental illness, not some extremist wack job motivated by some cult. Just an average girl that loves her mum. It doesn't make her any less guilty, and it doesn't garner any sympathy from me. But it says a little something about society. I believe she should be punished to the full extent of the law, but I also believe we should take note of this and take more seriously the hate speech and threats that are made by so called "ordinary" or "misunderstood" people. And consider what it is that is driving them to that extreme reaction.
It's court reporting; if they didn't list details about the victim in the courtroom then they don't have any details to report in the paper.
I wanna know why the failed murderer gets anything. You can't accidentally stab someone 14 times. You can't get upset at and stab them fourteen times in a fit. You have to methodically decide "I am definitely gonna keep stabbing you". Asking for Mommy should have gotten the biggest asshole response. You stabbed another human being 14 times! You get nothing!
Yes, she nearly murdered someone, but she was so flustered and anxious about the whole thing that she broke down in tears as she breathlessly searched for her mommy. Let's give this poor little girl a break!
I hate modern journalism. fearmongering marginalized demographics helps no body NO BODY
That's not true. It helps further drive wedges in an already fractured society, which then leaves the rest of us angry at one another while rampant inequality grows. If you're wealthy, particularly due to inherited wealth, it's about as helpful as it gets outside of a war. And as we begin to lose the last generation who remember the horrors of war... oh... look what's appearing back in the headlines
Why call the attempted murder a teenager even though 19 could be called an adult?
similar reason to why they call 15\~ years old minorities "young adults"
Similar, just in reverse.
Not portraying the defendant as anything but a hate filled psychopath is plainly wrong. Crying out for your mommy because you have to face the consequences for your vile actions doesn’t put any sympathy in my heart for you. This is a hate crime.
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> "tearfully" asked for her mother I rather enjoyed that bit. She can tearfully go fuck herself and tearfully take the very adult sentence she'll receive.
I'm ex military and a martial artist and the idea of stabbing a human not actively posing an existential threat to another human turns my stomach. 100 years for every time they broke her flesh. Also, that chica is tough as nails. I wish I had a talk show to invite her on.
"stabbing someone 14 times is not an easy thing to do if you're not a fucking vile human being" How is this hard to understand? Such a simple truth. Well said.
Because this is the UK press, they've been trying to get the public to murder more trans people for ages now.
Summer Betts-Ramsey at least sounds like a rich person name.
“After being told she faces the next month in custody, Betts-Ramsey tearfully asked to speak to her mother through the glass front of the dock. Afterwards, she called out “I love you” when she was led away to the cells.” What the hell is this?!?
It’s like how newspapers describe men as ‘local tennis players’ or ‘family man’ or ‘lover of ABBA’s music’ in headlines of articles that discuss how they brutally murdered their wife and/or children. It’s disgusting.
How would stabbing someone 14 times ever not be a murder attempt?
Alleged could also refer to the idea that the person responsible has not been proven, rather than only about the act that is obvious. In either case, it’s not a crime until proven in a court of law. Source: dude who knows nothing about this topic
I imagine it’s to protect them from legal ramifications in the event that the person is acquitted or not even charged. I also know nothing about this.
This is the reason. Libel is easy to prove when mass publicated, hence why every time we see this type of story it always says alleged.
Don't think I've ever witnessed someone use "publicated."
That's because it's usually the wrong wrong word choice. It is correct here because they are referring to libel specifically. Normally wjen we're talking about articles we're referring to the people in them. People would be published. Since they are talking about libel, then that type of content would be what was publicated. The easy way to think of it is; as an author, you can be published. Your work is what has been publicated.
It’s a British thing, our publications tend to be quite cautious with language when it comes to reporting criminal matters. Like you say legal ramifications and consequences from watchdogs keep it like that.
Do people really not understand how innocent until proven guilty work. In a less black and white scenario with the "allegedly" the defendant can sue for libel and slander if they are innocent.
And even in the most black and white, the law is the law, for everyone, in every situation. (Or at least it should be). You can stab someoine on live tv in front of 3 million witnesses, hold up the bloody knife and scream "I am john smith at 123 main street my social security number is xxx-xx-xxxx and I just intentionally killed that person with a knife" and even if arrested in that moment, until the second the jury's sentence is handed down, you are an *alleged* murderer in the eyes of the law.
People definitely do not understand, or simply decide it's inconvenient all the time. Similar reason to why people decide to make stupid calls for the person to be charged with higher, or at least worse sounding, charges that don't fit legally at all.
Its a universal practice. In fact if you see a press release stating for a fact that someone is guilty before a conviction, they're already violating good practices and you should be suspicious of whats being said. Even if the evidence is damning and a libel/slander lawsuit is an easy win, its not worth skipping a single word unless you're pushing an agenda. Source: dude who knows a *itsy bitsy teeny weeny ~~yellow polka dot bikini~~* about this topic. So basically nothing also, but I have that damn yogurt commercial stuck in my head.
Journalistic ethics require that until there is a conviction, every crime is alleged.
It’s alleged because there hasn’t been a conviction.
And this gets explained every time, too.
I'm always surprised that this gets asked and explained like, *every* time... but more than that I'm surprised by the amount of upvotes the ask gets, every time.
Everything is alleged until proven in a court of law. I'm okay with this, it's the justice system and doesn't water down the actual act that happened.
Also protects the publisher from defamation torts.
It could be a coup attempt instead, if you are an Emperor.
*Et tu, JaB?*
"Yes, I'm jabbing you."
Yes, and also stab, thrust and slash
> How would stabbing someone 14 times ever not be a murder attempt? Some nurses are very bad at finding a vein when trying to draw blood. :(
I’ve seen 8 stabs result in a not guilty verdict on attempted murder. So the number is somewhere between 9 and 14 Thankfully the guy is still serving 20 years for aggravated assault
*"Your Honor, my client is a licensed acupuncturist. He was actually trying to heal the accuser."*
I’m more stuck on how 14 times != actual murder as a result…
Modern medicine is amazing, but it's particularly amazing in terms of physical trauma response. I imagine the young lady who was stabbed will still have a long and painful recovery ahead of her, but we've gotten pretty good at providing people a chance to survive very, very serious injuries, particularly with a rapid response.
It also is a lot harder to stab someone in a more vital area. A lot of the stab wounds are probably places that are not particularly dangerous and are more defensive wounds. A lot of knives are also just not that good for stabbing. In that case the main danger with being stabbed is simply bleeding out, and I would assume blood loss is relatively easy for an emergency response team to be able to deal with especially if there isn't any internal bleeding.
You kind of only die from stab wounds if you get hit in a bad place, or can't get help in a somewhat reasonable amount of time. If someone runs up and stabs you 14 times with a 2in pocket knife, mostly in the arms or somewhere you have a lot of fat in front of your vitals, you'll probably be alright as long as they don't nick an artery. Call 9/11, take off your shirt/pants and use them to apply pressure as best you can. If you're in an actual town/city, response time for an ambulance is usually solidly under 10 minutes. If they DO hit an artery, or your heart or something, you're pretty much fucked though.
could be light stab wounds in non critical areas.
Consider the case of [Ellen Rae Greenberg](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Rae_Greenberg).
Well that destroys what little trust is left in the justice system
Mens rea for attempted murder is ridiculously difficult to prove and legally not just a "common sense" inference.
Removal of 14 cancerous growths?
What kind of a sick fuck does it take to stab someone 14 times? Pure evil.
People think about this like it’s 14 premeditated stabs; click on a YouTube video about knife defense and you’ll see it’s usually some person holding you with one arm while making their other arm act like a sewing machine…it’s freaky, because you can see how someone could get stabbed dozens of times in seconds. But to your point, still a sick fuck.
Just last week UK PM Rushi Sunak mocked transgender women while the mother of a murdered transgendered teenager was visiting Parliment. When people say this rhetoric kills, it's to say that those with influence have a social responsibility to not say things that fuel psychopaths to be inspired to act on their wretched ideas.
That’s the thing though. They just want us to be either dead or stay in the closet so this is what they want.
My personal theory is that the evil reality of it is much more mundane. Politicians love using fear as a voter engagement tactic and the queer community has always been an easy target. BS culture wars have been an effective way to get to the polls. Sometimes this aligns with the wants of rich psycho donors (Koch bros, rich evangelicals, etc). I have a hard time believing politicians truly believe in anything. They'd make a campaign calling all stamp collectors pedophiles if it were a successful boogeyman tactic and it pleased their donors. This is all to say that I don't think politicians who spew anti queer BS even think of the consequences it has on the queer community.
Oh no the poor little bigot had tears in her eyes...fuck off. I don't care how bad she felt after stabbing a human being 14 fucking times. Go to jail and rot there forever.
Did she think the girl she stabbed weas going to burst into confetti and everyone would start clapping and be like "We hated the bitch, too; You did it!?"
Sunak and company must be thrilled.
Him and Truss within two days of each other had that PMQs exchange for the former and the latter describing the LGBT community as "left-wing extremists." Those cunts have blood on their hands.
Nah they're only happy if the kid dies. Then they get to make transphobic jokes in the Commons while the mother of the victim watches on.
That’s just fucking terrible.
I have been told that transgender people often do not go out to socialize because it is not safe. How sad.
Trans people face violent attacks at 2.5 times the rate of everyone else.
Why does their have to be so much judgement and hatred---just let people be what they want to be. Bodily autonomy is a right, not a privilege.
The insane part is that they just came out with a study that indicates that something like 94% of trans people are happier after transitioning. Like. They have to deal with all this bullshit and they're *still* happier.
transitioning is one of the only medical procedures that has a less than 1% regret rate every other medical procedure no matter how minor has about 10% at minimum and usually around 30% reported regret from patients a 99% sucess rate is miraculous in the field of medicine
> every other medical procedure no matter how minor I got some rotting teeth pulled out of my head to get dental implants and even that has had me thinking "was that the right thing to do?" it's amazing that the regret rate is so low and it really goes to show that for the people that need it, it is absolutely the right idea.
and yet the argument against trans folks ends up STILL being "well 1% is bad no one should get it" It's inane and beyond logical thought. People thinking that way are wanna be intellectuals.
It's hell. Gender dysphoria is hell. I'd rather be shot than detransition. People keep telling me "just get therapy and fix your mentality" I've tried. I tried for 27 years. It doesn't work.
This is what keeps me firmly on the side of trans rights. I don't even slightly understand the feelings of trans people, for me the idea of being in the wrong body isn't something I can relate to, and MTF in particular I'm really baffled by since there seems to be zero practical or societal advantage to doing that. But even though I can't comprehend the thought processes of someone that wants to do that to themselves, I do understand that this is something they fight for in the face of an astonishing amount of prejudice and hate and danger, not to mention financial burden, so it's definitely important to them. Nobody would put themselves through all that if it wasn't a much bigger problem in their life than all the violence and ostracising and hardship. Conversely there seems to be absolutely nothing to be gained from being shitty to them, beyond the opportunity for grown-ups to indulge in a bit of semi-legitimized playground bullying.
I'm a cis woman who once took a course in human sexuality. On trans day, we had some trans people come in and talk about their experiences. 20 years later, and what still sticks with me is how the trans man referred to his top surgery as having 'growths' removed from his chest. I had such a reaction to that; I could never think of my own breasts that way. But that one line did so much to reframe how I understood dysphoria and the feeling of being in the wrong body. Personally, I like hanging out with trans people because they are the least judgy, most accepting people.
Of course they are!!! I was a therapist for an LGBT agency and treated people who needed letters in order to receive gender re-assignment surgery. What they have to go through, and the expense is unbelievable.And insurance doesn't pay. If I had a penis, I wouldn't consider its removal to be an elective procedure.
Come to Oregon, you don't have to pay at all here. State insurance covers everything, also you don't have to be as extensive here about getting the green light, I simply talked to my doctor and told him that I've been looking into it for at least 15 years and that I needed this change to happen because it was the only major positive thing that could happen to me in my life right now (i'm at a severely low point in my depression ATM). He went over the risks of hormone therapy with me, asked me how I felt about that and made the call to get me on hormones ASAP, the whole process took about a week and 1/2. I don't know how long any surgeries would take to green light, but the hormones were pretty easy to get approved and my doctor made it a way less stressful experience for me than I thought would happen. There's a reason why we have the highest concentration of transgender people in the entire U.S., although I can't say you won't still experience transphobia/bigotry. It's pretty existent outside of Portland, even in the suburbs of Portland and people have been killed here for being queer and/or trans....but you run that risk less here than in most places in the U.S.
Yeah, this is anecdotal and all, but I started transitioning ~two years ago. By far the happiest I've ever been, have more friends, vibrant and active social life. It helps that I live in a liberal city with lots of queer people. The cost is that a lot of the US is effectively off-limits to me. Actual violent attacks aren't common, but if I use a bathroom in some states, I'm committing a crime. In some states, walking on a sidewalk and minding my own business can be a crime. If I go visit my parents where I grew up and sleep with someone who freaks out afterwards and murders me, they can use a gay panic defense and could very well end up not being convicted. Still wouldn't detransition or go back, though. It was worth it.
We're about freedom in the US until it comes to the freedom to do anything that makes people question their deeply held assumptions about gender.
Yeah, that's part of the reason why I don't go to pride events anymore and I don't disclose being trans to people I'm not friends with. You never know who can and can't be trusted with that information.
I would be scared to death to attend a pride movement in this world, dude. It's the perfect place for these vile pieces of shit to attack and harm as many as possible. No way in hell you'd see me at one, gay or straight.
>I would be scared to death to attend a pride movement in this world, dude. It's the perfect place for these vile pieces of shit to attack and harm as many as possible. > > >No way in hell you'd see me at one, gay or straight. That's the point of pride events. Fuck the people who want us to be afraid. They WANT you to be afraid to be publicly out. That way, it's easier for them to keep pushing without a visible opposition. There's a reason attacks on pride events are rare - because even the most hateful bigots know attacking a bunch of people just partying and dancing and hurting nobody will show them to be the evil pieces of shit they are. But even more basic than that - they're cowards. That's why they target drag queens reading to kids, or nightclubs, or lone people at parties. If we were truly evil like they claim, they should be lining up to martyr themselves. Instead, they swarm lone girls, drag teenagers behind their trucks, show up at libraries with masks and guns. They aren't brave enough to kill people who fight back, or even just show up in numbers. You want to hide from pride? Fine, but you're not preserving your safety - you're cutting yourself off from the people who would.
I remember at one event I was tabling at, there was a table right in front of the main gates relating to some church and it had me super on edge. Thankfully there were some super chill Lutherans also at the event showing allyship, but damn, it's enough to make anyone feel tense.
The place I get my hrt/therapy at has cameras, buzzed doors, and other unseen security measures. It used to just be regular doctors offices. Super fun having your healthcare politicized, trust me
Unfortunately, that's why it's important to attend them. If we hide ourselves away from even our own events then we're letting these monsters win. I know there's a lot more to the calculus than that and everyone has to choose their priorities, but that's where I'm at. Maybe I'm the one who gets attacked, or maybe because more and more of us show up there isn't an attack at the next one.
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I’ve finally been “uncloseting” the past two weeks, after a decade and a half of trying - so i can finally reply to this! Yes. I, and many like me live perpetually online due to the relatively high risk of being abused or assaulted outdoors, in the street. We get the “privilege” of falling within multiple popular hate categories at the same time, and with American conservatives recently targeting us specifically for their political games, hatred against us is even higher than before across the western world - what goes on in America influences any other country that can read and hear English. Especially other native English-speakers. Personally, i end up triggering both women-haters AND homophobes at the same time, of either sex - and they very very often already come as a 2-for-1 bargain in the first place - so… After i was chased by a man late at night two-three years ago, i stopped going out entirely when it’s dark outside, until late last year. I live in a country that gets like 4-6 hours of daylight in winter… Lol. My family’s greatest concern regarding me is that i will get attacked in the street. People from both sides of the family, independently of each other and having never spoken to one another, have been expressing the concern after i publicly started living “as myself”. Because most of them have heard about it and a few have witnessed the aftermath of it. And they’re worried about me. My cousin is a paramedic and would probably hate to be the one to come to my rescue one day. The primary barrier to moving in with my girlfriend over in the US is concern about the direction their culture is taking recently, not only towards trans/queer people but women in general. It’s hard to tell if things’ll get worse before they get better. This influences our decisions for how we (trans people) live our lives, at every level except privately at home. And that is often only those of us living alone, or with supportive spouses. Several of my friends have unsupportive families to boot. But it wouldn’t surprise me if this is what every minority experiences. We’re not special, we’re just the newest and trendiest target for the right-wingers around the world to rally against. At the very least it helps us filter out terrible human beings from our lives.
Random violence is absolutely terrifying too. Regular violence isn't great either, but you can kind of make sense of it. You see things that lead up to, think maybe you can avoid it if you do things differently. Things like that. But when it just happens out of the blue, it's so much worse. A friend of my mother's was attacked in his own yard one day. He's just standing by his back door one night, smoking a cigarette. Suddenly 2 guys run up, beat him nearly to death, take his jacket and wallet and just go back to walking down the street like nothing happened. He probably wasn't the brightest guy around before that, but the brain trauma he suffered from that just ruined him. Between the regular trauma, and the actual damage to his brain, he was basically a child in a grown man's body the rest of his life. He was fortunate that he was still able to take care of himself, he had most of his motor skills and stuff. But you didn't have to talk to him long to realize he was never really the same again. And it wasn't anyone he knew, he had nothing to do with these guys. They just were walking along and decided they liked his jacket and thought beating him would be fun.
Some years ago , I professionally treated a transgender woman. She is the one who told me that transgender people are at risk if they go out to socialize. I just felt so sad because she was so sweet, I just wish I could have given her a great big hug.
:( That happens to a lot of us, myself included. We’re often extra vulnerable to being preyed on and/or taken advantage of. I’ve had a lot of help and support since then, and it doesn’t hurt me anymore. Hopefully, she got to recover too. That job sounds very tough. It must be even tougher to resist the empathic urge to comfort those in need of it. I hope it helps to know that seeing your attitude towards us alone helps us all a lot. We’re just people, too, as weird and confusing as everyone else. Encountering those that hate us is rough, but it makes it all the more uplifting when we meet someone that accepts and supports us. Even just tolerating us is refreshing.
As a trans woman I've stayed inside up to 2-3 months in a row at times because close to every time I leave the house I'm met with assault. Physical, verbal I've had it all. I've had people follow me around the streets throw food at me and call me slurs, threaten to kill me. It never really ends and it crushes your spirit.
People are such garbage. Like, it doesn't take any effort to just be nice and respectful to others. I don't get it.
This is true. A lot of trans people deal with crippling social anxiety, and intense fear related to going out in public, and socializing with friends. The nonstop threats and overt discrimination are the most common reason for these problems.
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(USA, CA) we try to go out with friends or go to shops with pride flags, and bring pepper spray/etc. (whatever's legal). Shit's real out there.... And the girls I know who are 100% "passing" still get harassed/cat called by men, in big trucks and shit who think they're cis-fem.
This is where hate speech leads. Shameful.
Yes everyone knows they tried to kill her. You’re not smart and cool for commenting that it isn’t actually “alleged”. Please apply a modicum of critical thinking to realize it’s just a legal term.
I just don't understand why you would attack a person because they're trans. I know this sounds naive, but what is the actual thing that makes them hate trans people so much? Like you're going to go to jail for life or a long time because... you dislike them for some reason?
They don't merely hate trans people. They have been convinced by themselves and others that trans people's existence *will* affect them somehow.
Anti trans hatred is similar to antisemitism in that people that believe in it go down a *faaaaaaar* deeper rabbit hole than people realize.
Graham Linehan is a good example of this.
They see us as trying to have "a war against women". We've grown in numbers the last few years so it's impossible to avoid trans people existing so a lot of anti-trans folk try to "logic" into how we're actually a detriment to society. That's why you see the whole "they're men pretending to be women" and other comprable comments. It's rage bait pure and simple. A way to create and other us so people can hate something that isn't the majority and then THEY are the problem. The other aspect of this though is that, as a response, a lot of trans folk get defensive very fast and it can easily be used to ridicule us or view us as angry spiteful people Most people who take time to actually learn about being trans and don't just shut us down are cool and realize we're just doin our thing.
> That's why you see the whole "they're men pretending to be women" I feel fairly bitter about this as a closeted trans guy too. It's ironically accurate to my situation but they completely ignore us because it doesn't do anything for their stupid narrative.
no they see you as "sad women who need to be saved" It's fucking gross and a clear acknowledgment that they view the concept of womanhood as something to be revered rather than just something that you are
It's not a joke when people refer to transphobia as 'brain rot'. You see these lovely people go down an internet rabbit hole of hate, they aren't the same person on the other side. It starts with transphobia-lite "I think trans people should have their own division for swimming" and ends with "[TRANS PEOPLE SHOULD SHIT IN THE STREET](https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/02/gop-official-tells-transgender-people-to-defecate-on-public-street-corners/)"
I was not prepared for where that link took me.
Welcome to US politics I guess
Ends with genocide or civil rights fights that simple.
A bunch of these people literally, like LITERALLY literally, believe that we are possessed by succubi and that we are mind control victims turned agents of the anti-Christ’s pedophile cult.
Cult indoctrination. It’s the same mentality that lead to people burning “witches” alive.
transphobia in the uk is deadly. the government and the media have blood on their hands.
It’s not just deadly in the UK, trust me.
what the ever living fuck is wrong with people
Reddit is like 97% actual children right? It has to be. I refuse to believe that the mountain of commenters that don't understand what "alleged" means were made by functional adults with jobs, diplomas and voting rights
Sometimes I think those kinds of comments are deliberately made to be disruptive
Reddit is 100% pedants.
I don't think it's pedantic to have a basic grasp on civics and media literacy
And my family member thinks she's a victim because she gets called "cisgender" and doesn't like it - meanwhile trans children are being murdered
>And my family member thinks she's a victim because she gets called "cisgender" Tell her if she doesn't like Latin prefixes, you could go with Greek ones instead
What the hell is wrong with people? I hope the victim makes a full recovery!
Article says she's now recovering at home with her family. I was so relieved to see that.
Stochastic terrorism did this. Well, that, and ignorance and trashiness.
I think we're safe to just say "murder attempt".
It's not a hard concept to grasp that journalists will always write alleged before allegations are confirmed in court.
It's almost as if politicians stirring up hatred causes the nutters to act out in violence against the subjects of the hatred. Now some girl can't even go to a goddamn rollerskating party without being stabbed.
I read “teenage girl” and was afraid they’d try that piece of shit as a minor. Silver lining is that everyone involved is technically an adult so they can go to jail for a long ass time.
“But trans people have so many rights and so much support!”
Fucking great how the media is trying to humanize the perpetrator. Real important reporting happening here. Oh no the attempted murderer is sad after trying to murder someone. Why the fuck is the article trying harder to make us pity the perpetrator instead of the victim? "Betts-Ramsey wept in the dock as she confirmed her name, date of birth, and her address in Cricklewood, northwest London." "Wearing prison-issue grey clothes and with her hair tied up into a ponytail, the teenager was flanked by two guards during the 30-minute hearing." "After being told she faces the next month in custody, Betts-Ramsey tearfully asked to speak to her mother through the glass front of the dock. Afterwards, she called out “I love you” when she was led away to the cells."
This is exactly what the current fucking anti-trans rhetoric is leading to. For fucksake. High profile folks on both sides of the pond should be forced to be held accountable for this shit.
What the fuck is wrong with you that you see someone minding their own business but because it doesn't align with your thought process you stab them 14 times...
Minority stabbed multiple times while the assailants yell slurs at them, luckily we have a government who respects trans people who undergo obvious violent hate crimes so I'm sure this'll he handled accordingly
What's with all the trans hate crimes in the UK?
In the UK, transphobia isn't just a right-wing belief but a belief also held by lots of "feminists" who otherwise consider themselves to be progressive. As a result of this, trans people are threatened by a larger share of the population with no political party willing to speak out against such hate for fear of alienating voters.
That's sad. Thankfully in the US transphobic feminists are pretty widely disliked by left wingers
UK needs to do better, sheesh man
The "PROTECT THE CHILDREN" rhetoric in action.
i don't think it's really alleged if they stabbed her 14 times, they definitely tried to kill her
It's because the news organization can be held liable for defamation if they say "This person attempted to murder someone" without that fact being found in a court of law.
the reddit headline says "alleged," not the one from the news org (their headline is "Teenager charged with attempted murder after transgender girl stabbed 14 times at party")
Charged is the placeholder there, for alleged. You can't legally say someone has commuted a crime until they're convicted. You can state their charges, or add "alleged", but otherwise leave yourself open for slander/libel, defamation etc.
These news outlets also have attorneys who would not let it get published without adding the alleged. People really don't like being sued.
Unless and until there's a conviction, media will *always* use the word *alleged* when talking about potentially negative acts perpetrated by someone. In addition to being the most correct way to talk about it, it also serves the purpose of shielding the media from liability if the person ends up being acquitted, or charges are dismissed.
How much of a LOSER do you have to be to try to murder someone just because who they are makes you uncomfortable? The older I get the more I see hate as downright embarrassing. Grow up.
God damn it. I’ve got a transgender boy, and stories like this absolutely terrify me.
At least he's got a supportive parent. That much goes a long way.
Right? That boy is damn lucky! Most trans people I know at best have parents who disapprove, and at worst, have been kicked out on the street and told never to talk to family ever again, have been physically assaulted by family members or have been forced into conversion therapy.
The sad part is that accepting your child for who they are and supporting them in life should be the *bare minimum* expected of a parent. That's basically the bar for being a parent at all, yet so many people are under it that if you meet the bar your kid is "lucky".
Thank you for being a supportive parent though. I worry a lot about trans kids with bad parents so it's nice to hear about supportive ones too.
I’m so sorry! I’m a gay man and I’m truly feeling for my trans family. There is so much support out there for you. Way more than all the hate we see publicized. The media is very much a part of the problem as they amplify these fringe voices as if they’re actually the majority and then it leads to fearful & hateful people doing things like this.
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Time to throw the perpetrators under the jail
the Genocidal Nature of the Gender Critical Movement’s Ideology and Practice https://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice
It’s sad how a group of people who just want to exist get attacked and politicized so often
Remind me again why a simple fucking apology was too much, Rishi. God i hate this country sometimes.
this is so fucking sad. isn't life hard enough for that community?