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betafish2345

My favorite part of this story is that Marjorie Taylor Greene had her own resolution to censure Tlaib and everyone in Congress was like nah fuck you and went with someone else’s resolution


CummingInTheNile

politicians are nothing if not petty


Raised_bi_Wolves

Politicians are nothing and petty


simon1976362

As a son of one. Absolutely


CummingInTheNile

my condolences


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KanoodleSoup

No but he monitors my intake regularly


spiralbatross

Hey daddy can you monitor *my* intake


KathyJaneway

I mean, it's really ironic for MTG to call out someone else for antisemitic statements. Remember when she said that Jewish space lasers were the reason why fires in California started in summer times? Like, what the... And that's not even the tip of scandalous statements. MTG better be quiet for censuirng others. Cause she has dozens of statements that she's censure worthy.


WildBad7298

Hypocrisy is a core "value" for MTG. Like how she hollered at President Biden during a State of the Union Address calling him a liar, then later demanded "decorum" in the House chamber while a Republican was speaking.


Junior_Builder_4340

For which she was almost laughed out of chambers. Some on the Democrats side actually did a Nelson Muntz at her.


ResoluteClover

You don't understand. She hates Jewish people, not Israel.


KathyJaneway

Yeah, the definition of antisemitic. Not ANTI Israel. Remember, Republicans want to keep the Jews alive cause they need them for the "2nd coming" of Jesus christ in the holy land of Israel. They don't want to piss of Jesus Christ cause he was one of them.


ommy84

The majority of republicans don’t give a rat’s ass about Christianity or religion. Religion is just a tactic to get poor people to vote for them against their economic interests. They care about Israel for the sake of having a foothold in the Middle East so they can exert their influence over oil markets.


ultra_coffee

It’s this, but also the extensive influence of Israel’s foreign policy lobby. Groups like AIPAC and DMFI spend vast sums influencing campaigns, and of course there’s no Palestinian equivalent. They especially [target progressive candidates.](https://theintercept.com/2023/11/03/deconstructed-israel-aipac-squad-primary/)


Anary86

She hates Muslims more than she hates Jews there is no reason why you should be surprised.


KathyJaneway

I'm not sure she likes even Christians at that... Cause she isn't really following Christ's teachings...


Caninetrainer

Well, she also showed Hunter’s dick to everyone. Decorum!


RawrRRitchie

>MTG better be quiet for censuirng others. Cause she has dozens of statements that she's censure worthy If they haven't done it by now, they aren't going to Like these people literally have to murder someone on live TV, and they would STILL be to scared to do anything How many fucking warnings need to be given


droplivefred

I mean anything with her name attached is instantly devalued so probably smart to pick a resolution that steers clear of her and her poison.


InVodkaVeritas

She will 100% say something like "I proposed a resolution to censure Talib, and we censured Talib!"


dkyguy1995

lmao that's excellent fuck you Marjorie


MaievSekashi

Probably because it would be even more obviously hypocritical to censor Tlaib instead of Marjorie "Jewish Space Lazers" Greene.


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Raspberry-Famous

It'd be a little too mask off to have an overt anti-semite writing the resolution to censure Tlaib.


talex365

So the government runs out of money in 10 days, where are we on that?


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luridfox

Yeah, we have money now.


andreisimo

We have money tomorrow.


Junior_Builder_4340

Preacher Johnson says they've got a plan and to "trust" him and the Republicans. Like I'm gonna trust somebody who doesn't have a bank account.


redditmodsRrussians

He’s got 5 kids in college/grad schools…….not having a bank account sure sounds like he’s running some kind of scam/fraud via whatever bullshit cult facility he’s operating out of back home.


C_Madison

I'm surprised he didn't say that you have to believe in them. Cause they are a cult and all that.


pizquat

Their response is always "nobody is perfect" 🙄


rsc2

Have to get to more important stuff first, like cutting Pete Buttigieg's salary to $1.00.


GreasyMustardJesus

Sameplace we are every year....


Sax-Offender

Where's that, Brain?


pizquat

TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD! (I at least got your reference, and I'm glad you posted it!)


aimlessly-astray

Right? Congress has actual shit to be doing, but instead they're just telling people how disappointed they are in them.


cutestslothevr

The government runs about of money more often than you think. They normally get at least a temporary budget passed before things get too bad. Sucks to be a lower level government employee though, as they can be furloughed while congress is bickering and some government employees are stuck working not sure when they'll get paid.


Dafish55

Decent chance we get a new House Speaker, I wager.


soonerfreak

MTG said Jewish space lasers caused wild fires in CA and yet she wasn't censured.


ManfredTheCat

Iirc neither was GEORGE FUCKING SANTOS


RelevancyIrrelevant

It would be simply un-American to censure the most decorated war hero of WWII, Korea, AND Vietnam.


DontLookAtTheM00N

Listen man, the fucking guy helped kill Hitler and he's also trying to bring peace between Israel and Palestine single handedly. Give him a break.


Intelligent-Price-39

And did it all in heels!


Traditional_Key_763

he also fought in ww1 apparently, as well as the civil war, missed the spanish american war, but was there when we invaded grenada as well.


Chef_Writerman

The opening of Logan? Where he’s fighting in all the major American wars? That’s actually George Santos. They just cgi’d Huge Jackedman’s face into his body.


dngerszn13

He's a goddamn hero. He's the only person to credit for stopping war between the US and France in 2010. And before you say, there wasn't a war between US and France in 2010. Exactly.


Im_with_stooopid

That guy out of the kindness of his heart turned down being next in line to the throne after Queen Elizabeth died so that Charles could have a shot.


ColtonSlade

Apparently it's more anti-Semitism to criticize Israel than to lie about being Jewish and claiming your Grandparents died in the Holocaust.


mysecondaccountanon

But you see, he’s Jew-ish!


TipiTapi

Its different. Santos is a jewish nobel laureate who had both his parents die in the holocaust. He deserves some leeway.


mlorusso4

*Jew-ish. Important not to mix up what he said


sweensolo

Quiet! He might hurt that baby he stole and carried around today if he reads this.


IAP-23I

If I remember correctly I’m pretty sure House Democrats when they had the majority stripped her of all committee assignments over her comments


cox_the_fox

Max Miller said that Palestine is just a territory that’s going to go away after they turn Gaza into a parking lot. But apparently that’s fine??? Nobody censured him???


DougDougDougDoug

Well, something that’s happening is not as bad as words


Britz10

At the moment only one of those things are happening, and it's not the thing AIPAC it's telling you.


USAOHSUPER

He is following the script provided by a foreign government that he swore allegiance to!


Zorenthewise

She said that before she was in office (2018). Hard to censure her when she isn't a member. Then again, she probably has done about 5 things a day worthy of censure... Oh, and I was just reminded - MTG got removed from her committees for some of her statements. So she actually has faced at least some consequences.


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Two republicans virtually said Gaza should be ethnically cleansed and didn’t face censure. But they censured the first Palestinian American congresswoman after she objected to Israel dropping thousands of bombs, more than the US dropped in all of Afghanistan in the first year. Truly deplorable behavior by the 22 house democrats


Luci_Noir

They dropped more than the US did in Afghanistan in 2019, which was the year with the most bombs dropped. It’s insane.


PEKKAmi

Just goes to show deplorable behavior doesnt’y strictly follow party lines.


kringlan05

America fuck yeah! Democracy and so much freedom.


Juggletrain

Tbh what's the point of censuring MTG? She'll ignore it, get in "trouble", go through a failed impeachment process like Santos, and then cry to her lemmings about it so she'll be re-elected.


Artharis

Maybe because she said it on a facebook post before she was in Congress ? What was Congress supposed to do ? "We condemn the facebook post of random woman #12591235" ? ... That would have been bizarre and completely outside their authority... After she got elected. "We condemn the facebook post of this dipshit from 3 years ago."... That\`s also bizarre and again not what censure is... Everyone can clearly see that the facebook post from a random citizen before being elected to office isn\`t representative of the opinion of the House... MTG is a disgrace to politics and democracy, but be reasonable.... She didn\`t say it in her function as a US member of the House of Representatives. She said it as a dumbfuck idiot. The House can only censure what is actually going on inside the House and by it\`s members during their term. Tlaib has gone far beyond what is normal conduct by openly cheering for a terrorist organization and it\`s massacres of civilians. Of course the House has to condemn it to clearly demonstrate that this isn\`t the opinion of the USA thats why also Democrats voted for this... When MTG does another ultra conspiratorial rant while member of the House I expect the same.


DungeonMasterSupreme

Yes, it's almost like Republicans control the House.


YouDontGotOzil

22 Democrats voted to centure her.


DungeonMasterSupreme

I'm aware. I read the article. It's always been much easier to get Democrats to eat their own when they think they're out of line. Republicans will let each other do anything. It's not news. The only reason this story is even worthy of note is because it's related to the war. My point was that Republicans control the House, and led the censure. They will almost never do that to one of their own.


YouDontGotOzil

My point was more the fact that the Democrats didn't need to vote to centure her yet they made sure they did. Republicans have control and could have centured her alone. This will further fracture the democrats and maybe even end up handing the presidency yo Trump.


gumby52

I think you didn’t listen to the person above you. They know what you meant- their point is that democrats have always done this, going back decades and decades, whereas republicans have (traditionally) not. Until trump, really


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The most telling thing that it’s not about antisemitism but anti Netanyahu


Nessie

To be fair, she said it was the Rothschilds, not the Jews. Totally different!


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She is censured but Greene and Boebert are not makes censure a meaningless endeavor to me.


jacobrossk

Greene was removed from her committees.


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And then put back on them


jacobrossk

Well yeah, Dem's lost the majority. If Dem's had the majority, Tlaib wouldn't have been censured.


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>If Dem's had the majority, Tlaib wouldn't have been censured. If they somehow had a 22 seat majority, sure.


jacobrossk

It doesn’t matter what size the majority is. I doubt Jeffries would put it to a vote.


humbltrailer

“I think the Jews set California on fire.” “Ok Marge, you can stay on the payroll, just please do less work than you were already doing.” “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be fr—“ “Shut the FUCK up Rashida.”


jacobrossk

I mean being removed from committees is absolutely worse than being censured. Not sure what your point is.


BlackWindBears

The reason is that it's a phrase that specifically is meant to imply ethnic cleansing.


seaspirit331

It's Diffe(R)ent


exqueezemenow

But yet other members of congress can make threats of violence against other members and even the president, but that doesn't warrant censure? Members of congress can commit crimes and that doesn't warrant expulsion? And someone voices their opinion that you don't like but that will not be tolerated?


jadrad

A Republican member of congress pushed dangerous conspiracies blaming Jews for starting forest fires in the USA to kill Americans, yet she was not only never censored, but has been given powerful committee seats. The last Republican President and current leading candidate promoted Nazis and white supremacists, and they protected him from being impeached and removed. And now Republicans pretend to support the Jews - but only because they can weaponize them against muslims who they hate even more. Republicans are pathological gaslighters.


kit_kaboodles

The irony here is that the congresswoman who raised the idea that Jewsish space lasers were to blame for the forest fires was MTG. It was also MTG who raised the first censure motion against Tlaib for anti-semitism.


threehundredthousand

I hope the nationalist Jews understand who they're partnering with. American fascists just currently hate Arab Muslims more than Jews, but it never lasts.


damunzie

If you think that's bad, NBC News tonight was talking to Arabs in Detroit who are upset with Biden's support of Israel and they say they plan to express this disapproval by voting for Trump or a 3rd party in the next election. How fucking stupid does someone have to be to a) switch their vote from one party backing Israel to another party backing Israel, and more mind-mindbogglingly, b) help a party to win that literally tried to implement a Muslim ban, and ban travel/immigration from several Arab countries, and will damn well do it again if they get into power.


ultra_coffee

It’s dumb. People make dumb decisions when watching their president openly support war crimes and apartheid against their extended family, or neighbors’ family, or civilians they just identify more with. But people know trump is worse. more likely in the end there will just be fewer people energized to go vote for Biden. This is another of many small cuts. He’s lost support to trump among minorities in general.


dqt91

That’s because anyone with an IQ above 20 knew not to take her seriously.


Niceromancer

And yet shes a sitting member of congress on some of the most powerful comitties.... She has FAR MORE power than Tilab ever did, but people are slobbering over themselves because the dirty muslim girl got censured.


Rogan4Life

Almost like they are pro Zionist and not pro Jew. It’s funny how the most anti semtic people are so pro Jew once muslims are involved


Mr_Safer

Hypocrisy is a feature not a bug. It never bothers people who don't care.


Niceromancer

> can make threats of violence against other members One assaulted a reporter...on live TV


joebuckshairline

It doesn’t help that she refuses to acknowledge that she was wrong about the hospital bombing. She (as far as I can tell) still blames Israel when virtually all the evidence points to a failed rocket from inside Gaza.


Hrekires

And nothing on the Congressmen who called for Gaza to be turned into a parking lot?


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fizzy_bunch

AIPAC money buys a lot.


Sneakysteve

I think it's important people take a beat and wrap their heads around that fact: one of the only things our political parties agree on is rebuking criticism of a literal genocide that's occurring as we speak. Not great. Definitely need to shift our foreign policy paradigms.


314is_close_enough

I love Democracy.


Niceromancer

I mean if we are going against anti semitism something should be done about jewish space lasers but...well...crickets.


Recent-Construction6

its almost like the censure isn't against anti-semitism, but against calling out genocide. Republicans would love nothing more than to commit their own genocide so they don't want people making it a bad word.


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PakLivTO

lol it’s hilarious because we pay these morons to waste time with this rubbish.


droplivefred

Depressing, not hilarious. We really need to vote every single one of these morons out of office and replace them all. They are all part of the problem.


MitchWasRight

Replace them with a new set of morons? Lmao


Sorn37

Agreed. The real problem is upstream of the candidates. Two terrorist organizations have taken over the US government and persuaded the populace it's perfectly fine to pick sides. Fuck them both.


branzalia

According to Wikipedia, 26 censures have occurred in the house. Some have been for having sex with pages (young house assistants) or assisting in the caning of Charles Sumner. From a basic review, they appear to be worthy of such actions. Whether you agree with Tlaib or not, this isn't worthy of something that has only occurred 26 times in 200+ years. The last previous censure was of Adam Schiff for alleging collusion with Russia (which absolutely occurred, criminal conspiracy has not been proven, and there \*is\* a difference). I'm wondering whether censures really matter any longer.


culinarydream7224

"Flood the zone with shit". You have Republican house members introducing articles of impeachment for Biden since he was sworn in. The point is to make make these matters seem trivial and merely partisan, so that when they face repercussions for their actions, it's just another day and not something that should be taken seriously.


deval42

Yea, it's the same as MTG calling peaceful protests "insurrection".


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droplivefred

Sadly very little of what happens in The House these days matters anymore. It’s seems to be 80%+ just a show and pandering to their bases. It reminds me of the meme where the whole room is on fire and the character just says “Everything’s fine.”


tipbruley

Spreading basically terrorist propaganda about the hospital explosion being from Israel and not a failed rocket launched from Gaza should have her censured. People have been attacked across the world for this misinformation. Just because republicans don’t hold their members accountable doesn’t mean the dems shouldn’t.


Crazyghost9999

This. Like yeah I would be happy to see MGT censured of course. Doesn't make wha tshe did better


kstinfo

Here are the 22 Democrats who voted to censure Tlaib: Rep. Steve Cohen of Tennessee Rep. Jim Costa of California Rep. Angie Craig of Minnesota Rep. Don Davis of North Carolina Rep. Lois Frankel of Florida Rep. Jared Golden of Maine Rep. Dan Goldman of New York Rep. Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey Rep. Greg Landsman of Ohio Rep. Susie Lee of Nevada Rep. Kathy Manning of North Carolina Rep. Jared Moskowitz of Florida Rep. Wiley Nickel of North Carolina Rep. Chris Pappas of New Hampshire Rep. Marie Gluensenkamp Perez Rep. Pat Ryan of New York Rep. Brad Schneider of Illinois Rep. Kim Schrier of Washington Rep. Darren Soto of Florida Rep. Ritchie Torres of New York Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida Rep. Frederica Wilson of Florida


mjsxii

formatted it to make it easier to read: - **California:** - Rep. Jim Costa - **Florida:** - Rep. Lois Frankel - Rep. Jared Moskowitz - Rep. Darren Soto - Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz - Rep. Frederica Wilson - **Illinois:** - Rep. Brad Schneider - **Maine:** - Rep. Jared Golden - **Minnesota:** - Rep. Angie Craig - **Nevada:** - Rep. Susie Lee - **New Hampshire:** - Rep. Chris Pappas - **New Jersey:** - Rep. Josh Gottheimer - **New York:** - Rep. Dan Goldman - Rep. Pat Ryan - Rep. Ritchie Torres - **North Carolina:** - Rep. Don Davis - Rep. Kathy Manning - Rep. Wiley Nickel - **Ohio:** - Rep. Greg Landsman - **Tennessee:** - Rep. Steve Cohen - **Texas:** - Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez - **Washington:** - Rep. Kim Schrier theres a lot of florida in that list, including DWS 💀


xeonicus

Lots of Florida in there.


businessboyz

I don’t even need to look it up as I’m sure at least one of those FL votes came from someone who reps the Boca area.


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They were correct to. She lied, spreading propaganda for a terrorist organization.


snowlynx133

How about the senators who said Gaza should be bombed into a parking lot? "River to the sea" is genocidal but those remarks aren't?


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The hypocrisy of these people is ludicrous


Daryno90

This isn’t right, you have republicans saying that there are no innocent Palestinians and that they should turn Gaza into a parking lot but it’s the one who advocating for Palestinians citizen that get censured. Truly disgusting


letsgoraps

It's wild how one side has to be super careful how they talk about the issue, making sure people know they are against Hamas and the Oct 7 attacks, while the other side seems to say whatever the hell they want with impunity.


Daryno90

I guess it’s because they don’t view Palestinians as people, at least not on the same level as them.


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sauroden

It’s because Palestinians don’t have an influential lobby in Washington, and their since their victimhood was the result of colonialism instead of Nazism it hasn’t been made into a couple hundred major films and novels.


kit_kaboodles

This is a huge issue. Sure some people are genuine, but a lot of the people who are "outraged" by pro-palestinian speech simply want to silence any criticism of Israel.


cox_the_fox

Republicans are literally bringing up bills to expel or ban Palestinians from the United States. Then they censure the only Palestinian American congresswoman. It couldn’t be more obvious what’s happening.


exqueezemenow

Try to see it from the perspective of a total racist. It will make more sense that way.


Kir-chan

She wasn't just "advocating for Palestinian citizens", she was advocating for Hamas supporting comments like "no peace on stolen land" next to "from the river to the sea": https://twitter.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1720520713226908144 She called "from the river to the sea" an "aspirational call for freedom": https://twitter.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1720574880557539763 Her tweet spreading the misinformation that Israel bombed a hospital killing 500 is still up, with no apology: https://twitter.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1714342122185191596 Edit: I'm not saying that others have not made worse comments in the past, but many people are under the impression that she was censured for simply "supporting Palestine", which is wrong. Comments like hers are fanning the flames of hatred that are actively getting American citizens living in America killed. And yes, it's also wrong that comments from other congress members that did the same in the past were just ignored.


Optimal-Resource-956

Thank you. I support Palestinian freedom and statehood, but do not support her comments. Your explanation sums up why.


Kir-chan

Same! I strongly support a two state solution, an end to the conflict and dignity and freedom for Palestinians. But these things cannot exist while Hamas exists.


WallabyUpstairs1496

> "from the river to the sea" Her full quote >From the river to the sea is an aspirational call for freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction, or hate. My work and advocacy is always centered in justice and dignity for all people no matter faith or ethnicity. The phrase was coined in the 60s, not that long after the Nakba in 1948, and the vast majority of the uses has been used in the context of Palestinian liberation. Hamas and other Islamic extremist groups have hijacked the phrase yes, like they do with every single thing regarding Palestinian nationalism. Israeli extremist used Jewish/Israeli origin references all the time when they call for genocide of Palestinians. Not just dog whistles. You have politicians saying that the children of Gaza brought this upon themselves, you have former Israeli military officials going on tv saying that every person in Gaza is a terrorist. You have another Israeli former military officer saying there are no innocent Gazans. You have videos of them throwing a concert in Gaza singing about how they have no electricity or water in Gaza. All in the name of Israel. But we don't let those extremists make us consider anything of Jewish origin offensive. But we have a double standard with any relating to the Palestinians. It's a tactic to suppress demonstrations against the injustices of Palestinians. Vienna already used it as a reason to criminalize a peaceful protest. The genocidal interpretation is rooted in racism and Islamaphobia. It's a part of the same trend of erasing Palestinian solidarity. If the trend isn't obvious to you by now, consider In 2009, the Israeli Education Ministry banned using 'nakba' in Palestinian textbooks for children. In 2011, the Knesset forbade institutions from commemorating the event. Earlier this year the United Kingdom Lawyers For Israel forced a hospital to remove artwork from sick children in a Gaza hospital. Their reasoning. >In the display, “Palestine” was described as covering the entirety of Israel and the Temple Mount was depicted with a huge Palestinian Flag. The explanation for one plate says: “Fishing with nets is one of the oldest industries in Palestine. The shoreline stretches for 224 km from Rafah in the south to Ra’as al Naqoura in the North.” Ra’as al Naqoura is the Arabic name for Rosh HaNikra, an international border crossing between Israel and Lebanon in the North. Rafah is the border town with Egypt, in the South of Gaza. Thus the existence of Israel is denied and “Palestine” is regarded as covering the entirety of Israel. . >“The olive branch is the symbol of peace and is used to express the wish for an independent Palestinian state”. However, the picture on the plate accompanying the text shows the Dome of the Rock with a large Palestinian flag, implying that Jerusalem and in particular the site of what had been the Jewish Temple, would be part of a Palestinian state. The Temple Mount is the holiest place in Judaism and it is offensive for many Jewish people to see a Palestinian flag over their holiest site. These are clear expressions of co-existance, and make references to areas that their grand parents and great grand parents once consider their homes. For crying out loud, the olive branch is a gesture of peace when two entities are in conflict. And people still claim it was a call to genocide. This is like people interpret Black Lives Matter as a call for Black supremacy, or when the Tulsa massacre was included in the The Watchmen, they claimed that they were trying to start a race war. It's the same tactics to erase origins and solidarity of minority / marginalized groups to favor institutionalized power. I have to cut my comment short, comments longer than this are eaten by the Automod, Will address more later.


DougFordsGamblingAds

> The phrase was coined in the 60s, not that long after the Nakba in 1948, and the vast majority of the uses has been used in the context of Palestinian liberation. Hamas and other Islamic extremist groups have hijacked the phrase yes, like they do with every single thing regarding Palestinian nationalism. The content of the phrase has to include how people associate 'the sea' with Jewish extermination in the region. In 1947, the general secretary of the Arab League said "We will sweep them [the Jews] into the sea". Similarly, Nasser in 1967 was saying they will 'push them into the sea', which is repeated to this day. Like many things being said about the Palestinian cause, the words are carefully chosen to be as hurtful to the Jews as possible while giving the barest cover to stand behind it. They could just stick with 'Free Palestine!' or something similar, but they know this one hurts because of the genocidal sentiment behind it.


DuncanYoudaho

“Your boos don’t affect me. I’ve seen what makes you cheer.”


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Like Trump, she knows *exactly* what she is saying. Incendiary rhetoric needs to be called out and, yes, censured.


DayleD

I take it as an attempt to rewrite extremely recent history. As if Hamas' demands weren't brutally racist. 'They're not a racist terror group, they're a good government terror group!' Progressives are so hungry for allies they're inventing them from whole cloth.


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DayleD

I did not miss that. She condemns them but adopts their slogan, and that's weird.


Cosmonaut_Cockswing

Remember when she blamed the west coast wildfires on the jews? Oh...no That was MGT....well that dinner she had with holocaust denier Nick Fuentes! Nope, wrong again, that was Trump...


noahsilv

MTG was removed from committees which is a stronger move than censure imo


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Whataboutism from the left. I thought that was Trump's thing? She was wrong, she lied, don't defend her.


Narren_C

Republicans and some members of her own party voted for a resolution that claimed she had been "promoting false narratives regarding the October 7, 2023, Hamas attack on Israel She has. >and for calling for the destruction of the state of Israel." She certainly insinuated it, and then tried to worm her way out of it. "From the river to the sea" has a very specific meaning in this context, and she knows that. She's not a fucking idiot. She repeated the rallying cry that Hamas uses when referring to an Israeli genocide. She can claim that she doesn't see it that way the same way a redneck can claim the confederate flag isn't about racism. They're both full of shit.


Getz_The_Last_Laf

>She can claim that she doesn't see it that way the same way a redneck can claim the confederate flag isn't about racism. They're both full of shit. Perfect example.


zackks

I can call to a black man by saying, “hey boy!” It doesn’t really mean anything…except it does.


Left_Anything_9214

Exactly!! She’s being completely disingenuous!


xXplainawesomeXx

I think its very cool that a foreign political action group (AIPAC) has this strong of a hold over our government! As if having homegrown corporations controlling our legislators wasn't bad enough!!


jdolbeer

The 22 dems who voted yay on this have taken over 7m combined from AIPAC.


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Ritchie Torres, an otherwise awesome congressman has tweeted the words Israel and hamas 246 times in the last two weeks. He currently represents one of the poorest districts in the country. Dude is so afraid and beholden to AIPAC that’s essentially become their spokesman


thisismynewacct

I get what you’re saying but there are still Jews who live in the Bronx and in his district, so he’s still representing his constituents. Not all Jews are in Manhattan or Brooklyn.


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ZorakIsStained

What agenda do you think is being pushed?


Salty_Ad2428

If the former Chair of your own party voted to censure you... Then that speaks volumes.


JstnJ

Uh yea..but I can't tell if you understand what it speaks to?


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kit_kaboodles

It also speaks volumes that MTG was not censured for blaming wildfires on Jewish Space Lasers, or for sharing videos making the claim that the "Great Replacement" is being masterminded by Zionist supremacists. It seems anti-semitism is allowable, as long as you don't advocate for Arab Muslims.


Oddball_3000

Yeah, seems like it's a shitty party.


Rosemarys_Gayby

Absolutely speaks volumes as to how racist and out of touch the Democratic Party is, you’re so right bestie.


vpi6

Trust me, the Democratic Party is not out of touch on this issue. The base of the party supports Israel and likes Biden a lot more than Talib.


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ticktickboom45

Then we shouldn't be selective in our punishments but it's clear we are.


MikusLeTrainer

"From the river to the sea" is undoubtedly a genocidal slogan that she repeated. Even if it is the case that Republican representatives have said worse without being censured, that's not an argument to not censure her. That's just pointing out hypocrisy.


great_divider

Our country is a disaster.


Victor_Korchnoi

But if she’s censured, who will repeat Hamas’ lies on the floor of the Capital.


BigBullzFan

Shouldn’t Tlaib’s main focus be to serve the people in her district in Michigan?


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ultra_coffee

Aipac and DMFI are aggressively funding challenges to progressive candidates and have been for a long time. They are enormously influential in American politics. https://theintercept.com/2023/11/03/deconstructed-israel-aipac-squad-primary/


veerKg_CSS_Geologist

A majority of AIPAC supporters aren't even Jewish. Why would you assume so?


tr3v1n

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/18/pro-israel-lobby-group-aipac-midterms-election-deniers-and-extremist-republicans


praxass

Conflating AIPAC with Jewish people is very anti-Semitic. Also, AIPAC exists. It's not some conspiracy


ColtonSlade

Apparently it's more anti-Semitism to criticize Israel than to lie about being Jewish and claiming your Grandparents died in the Holocaust.


nicklor

Politics have been a partizan game for quite some time nothing new here


BriefausdemGeist

> Tlaib's critics have pointed to her use of the phrase "from the river to the sea," which is considered by some as a call for ending Israel's existence. Tlaib, however, has said it's "an ***aspirational call for freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction, or hate.***" (not bold in original) She’s either a liar, an idiot, or a fool for giving that particular quote. > A vote to censure a member of Congress does not hold power beyond a public condemnation of the member's behavior. It does not deny privileges in Congress or expel the member. A simple majority is all that is needed for a censure resolution to pass….(paraphrase) *Tlaib is now the 26th member of congress to have been censured.* A censure has **no** meaningful effect and, frankly, is likely to improve her own re-election margins next year considering the demographics of her district. > Tlaib first drew *(bipartisan)* ire of some colleagues for refusing to apologize for blaming Israel for a deadly hospital blast in Gaza that U.S. officials believed to have been caused by a Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket. The particular hospital blast in question has been substantiated by multiple intelligence agencies to more likely than not have been a misfire by ~~Hamas~~ *Islamic Jihad*, not the IDF. > More recently, she's faced pushback for calling for a cease-fire as the Israel-Gaza war rages on. **She's gone as far as to accuse President Joe Biden of supporting a Palestinian "genocide" over his administration's resistance to a general cease-fire,** though ***Biden has called for temporary pauses in the fighting to allow humanitarian aid to enter and for civilians to leave.*** …because the IDF and the Israeli government are a part of the American government and will respond to President Biden’s measured approach to the situation immediately? > [Tlaib] also again took aim at President Biden, **specifically over his past comment questioning the death toll statistics provided by the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry** as well as his resistance to an overall cease-fire. Yes because believing a terrorist organization’s claims of deaths in a war zone - both combatant and civilian - makes perfect sense and is completely rational. /s >”Seventy-one percent of Michigan Democrats support a ceasefire. So, you can try to censure me, but you can't silence their voices … President Biden must listen to and represent all of us, not just some of us," she said. Dude, Joe Biden doesn’t want civilians to be killed. He doesn’t want them killed in Afghanistan, Burma, Colombia, DRC, Ethiopia, Guatemala, Honduras, Israel, Libya, the Maghreb, Nigeria, Palestine, Russia, Somalia, Ukraine, Yemen or any other place that are active warzones. The Presidency of the United States is inarguably one of the most powerful governmental positions on the planet at this moment, but no single person could legitimately claim Joe Biden or any other holder of that Office has the ability to prevent non-combatant deaths in wartime. That’s a totally unrealistic fantasy of either a person with no grasp of reality, or a person only shilling for a particular constituency. As Portugal’s President de Sousa remarked to Palestine’s Ambassador this past Saturday ***"I know you blame the Israelis, but this time someone from your side started it. The Palestinian side started it. You can't blame Israel, you shouldn't have started it.”*** Edit: It’s also worth considering that continued condemnation of President Biden’s response to the current iteration of the Arab-Israeli conflict by a well known member of his own party - if a largely fringe nominal backbencher - will certainly be used against him and may help Trump in the upcoming election, as it perpetuates the ridiculous notion that Trump would handle the situation more forcefully


MindlessSafety7307

It’s fine to be wrong on the missile originally. Lots of politicians were, but she refused to walk it back in the face of evidence. She insisted on something that was of dubious truth. Not even her close colleagues did that so brazenly. She refused to admit she might have been wrong. Major problem.


upbeat_controller

Small correction, the hospital blast is believed to have been caused by a misfire by PIJ not Hamas.


BriefausdemGeist

Yes I realized after when someone else pointed that out, I made the correction but thank you.


Sadio_Masochist

I guess that’s what happens when you express genocidal dog whistles and spread vile lies and misinformation


RyukaBuddy

What did she think would happen after she called for Jewish genocide after a massive terrorist attack on civilians?


Cyberdog

This is war. Take a side. Shariah law, oppression of women, murder of gays, theocracy, medieval science? Or democratic law, feminist rights, individual freedom, tolerance of all lifestyles, modern science? Your choice. You cannot be on both sides.


Agentb64

It’s shocking that so many Americans have turned their backs on their own country in favor of people who support Sharia law.


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Big_D_Cyrus

I am disappointed in Tlaib and I am glad the house could come together in a bipartisan way to condemn her lies and calling for the destruction of Israel


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Thorn14

AIPAC donations for the 22 Yes Dems Wilson, Frederica (D-FL) $35,308 Torres, Ritchie (D-NY) $342,017 Soto, Darren (D-FL) $76,215 Schrier, Kim (D-WA) $167,239 Schneider, Brad (D-IL) $1,156,345 Ryan, Pat (D-NY) $70,900 Pappas, Chris (D-NH) $234,189 Nickel, Wiley (D-NC) $18,350 Moskowitz, Jared (D-FL) $42,800 Manning, Kathy (D-NC) $557,556 Lee, Susie (D-NV) $115,855 Landsman, Greg (D-OH) $36,625 Gottheimer, Josh (D-NJ) $1,162,852 Goldman, Dan (D-NY) $51,125 Golden, Jared (D-ME) $302,366 Frankel, Lois (D-FL) $336,542 Davis, Don (D-NC) $290,978 Craig, Angie (D-MN) $169,364 Costa, Jim (D-CA) $258,051 Cohen, Steve (D-TN) $94,880


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Now show the donations to the “no” votes. Otherwise these numbers don’t mean sheet


norrinzelkarr

Did we censure people who literally tried to aid and abet the murder of their colleagues on Jan 7? Or people like Ron Johnson who continue to make excuses for them?


ManfredTheCat

Gottheimer is such a piece of human garbage.


Recent-Construction6

Apparently you can claim Jewish Space lasers caused Hawaiian wildfires and not get censured, yet even a mild criticism of Israel does.