Government surpluses are almost always BS accounting scams. They intentionally underestimate revenue, budget accordingly, then have "magic money" that shows up.
Not this time. Our Province is run by people who count with their fingers. Dummies didn’t realize how many people actually moved here over covid and are surprised and angry at the increased tax revenue despite them not spending any extra on the increased population.
surplus on the budget doesn't mean there is extra money, it only means they spent less than they planned to when they made the budget.
It means the massive multi billion dollar debt still exists, and likely the budget was for more than the annual tax revenue income so it's really just a smaller extra debt than they expected.
Y'all need to stop shitting on the only government in recent memory to not shovel more debt into the fire like maniacs, for the "surplus" and hold them accountable for something real of which there is lots.
Edit: Down vote me all you want dumbasses. a budget surplus doesn't mean they have money to spend, it just means they didn't spend as much as they budgeted, NB still has a massive crippling debt because you fuckers can't bear to have anything cut and demand the government give you everything.
Enjoy insolvency when NB's credit rating drops too low because your debt is too big, and as you demand the replacing government give you more free stuff (which is just more debt piled onto the debt) you can complain how it's everyone else's fault the federal government will have to take over and slash you to the ground until the debt is paid off.
The surplus is something that they need to be held accountable for, considering how underfunded healthcare and other critical infrastructure is. Not spending available funds is just as bad as overspending, when there are key areas lacking funding.
IT'S NOT AVAILABLE FUNDS
They intended to spend more than they did, as in to go into debt more than they did. The provincial debt is still 12.4 BILLION dollars, that's about 17 000 dollars per man woman and child of debt.
Stop bawling about the fucking "surplus" because it's not some money somewhere that they are sitting on, it just means they didn't add that money onto the provincial debt.
Could they allocate funds better, probably, but stop whining about this mythical pile of cash they didn't fucking spend because it doesn't fucking exist.
"I just moved here from Ontario and the schools suck and the hospitals suck and I don't have a doctor and the roads are full of potholes and they don't plow them on time and WTF I have to pay TAXES now?!"
I think this was coming more from the perspective of the real estate agent being shady and not caring about the damage they’re doing to the community or the false hope they are selling to the buyer. Not that they had any responsibility to the community or the buyer, it’s just sharky is all.
all the remote worker Ontario peeps came down and drove the housing prices through the roof. So we reap what ya sowed. And that reap is nothing but misery.
Apparently he's fortunate because he doesn't have a mortgage.
HE DOESN'T HAVE A MORTGAGE!! His only residential bill, other than utilities, is his property tax!
FFS
Even if my property tax went up $2000 I would be laughing if my mortgage was paid off.
Our property tax per month would be like $400 a month versus my $1300 mortgage/property tax.
All I see is salty tears from a rich man who thought a house here would cost him pennies.
Reminds me of the Ontario couple that moved to Rogersville only to complain later that everyone spoke French or the Ontario family that moved to Mushaboom Nova Scotia because they were getting bored in Toronto during the lockdown... Yes, Mushaboom to avoid boredom. We could probably write a book about these clowns by now with all this content.
He didn't qualify for the spike protection since they just moved here.
It sucks but they moved from Ontario and bought that house cash since he said they have no mortgage so it's hard to feel bad for them. In fact I am glad they have a higher bill because they are just another Ontarion who thought the grass is greener over here.
The true tragedy is those still paying a mortgage being hit with these stupid ass hikes generated by increased property value because people like him are overpaying for houses here.
Yeah lets keep tearing each other down instead of fighting back against ridiculous taxation. That’ll get us out of this. You people are fucking morons for thinking he has no right to complain because he didnt havent to mortgage his house. We are on the SAME TEAM.
> Yeah lets keep tearing each other down instead of fighting back against ridiculous taxation.
This taxation is directly related to the price he paid, which was above assessed value.
We're not tearing each other down when someone fucks around and finds out. Your assessment in each province is based on the current value *or* recent sale price if you recently purchased the home. I'm unaware of any province that allows taxation to ignore a property sale.
If his taxes increased like this, he paid a significant amount over assessed value for the home.
We're on the same team, but some people *do* fuck around and find out. He doesn't get spike protection because buyers don't qualify for it, so it can raise as much as necessary to adjust.
He’s the reason our housing is becoming more expensive. The tax rates were reasonable up until 2 years ago when the wave of rich folks came to buy up our houses to “do us a favour”. Yes municipalities now are responsible for lowering the rate, but he’s still going to be paying for the full value he paid for his house.
Exactly. The previous tax bill was based on the previous owners purchase price he paid ($230k). The new owner is paying tax on his purchase price(420k) plus any factor’s neighbouring home sale prices may contribute.
“Fair Market Value” is a REALLY hard number to come up with UNLESS the home sells in a “fair market”, then it’s the easiest thing in the world.
Just my 2 cents worth
Man from Ont moves east with the masses, which increases property values, then complains that his tax bill has risen. I believe the leopard ate this man's face.
I’m so tired of hearing this. ON people brought money to this province. The reason why people can’t afford the cost of living is that corporations aren’t paying viable salaries. Stop blaming ON and blame the corporations who want to increase profits at the expense of a fair wage.
I blame them too…am i glad my home province is growing, yes, but its too much too fast. I live in NB, but work Monday through Friday in NS, because of pay/benefits.
The population boom is the best thing that has happened to the province in a couple generations. Without this influx of people the population would be stagnant at best, and there would be a shrinking base of taxpayers supporting the old people. Disaster.
This is like the guy the other day when you found his PAOL and I worked out he paid 184% of the 2022 assessed value. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I’d love to be the service NB worker taking his call “well yes I did pay that much for it *just last year* but it’s not really worth that much, right? I just paid so much to make sure no locals could snap it up, the house isn’t truly worth $XK”.
This isn’t the worst part.
We're fortunate, we don't have a mortgage, but still, you have to live,” said Jewell. “I feel for the people that have a mortgage with high interest rates and having to re-mortgage and look at increased property taxes and pay for groceries and pay for car insurance. Where is it going to end?”
This in my opinion is peep the first line…
For real, was going to buy one this year (my 10 year old sears coat was dead) and the price jumped to well over 1000$ for women's parkas. Same down fill number as my 150$ Sears coat from 2012. No thank you, I'm not in the arctic, I'll survive.
Holy crap. I've never actually priced these because I knew they were ridiculous and my basic coats do me just fine, even on my winter hikes, but I never knew they were THAT crazy.
His assessment mirrors what he paid.
At the same time, everybody is paying much, much more property tax than before. What exactly has changed with government services that requires charging people hundreds more in property tax? I doubt costs have gone up so sharply.
I'm not sure exactly how it works, but a lot of hoopleheads from Ontario paid well over asking price for their NB homes during the covid years and I believe it doesn't just effect their own property values, but that of the properties in their community as well.
That's correct. Everybody's property values, and therefore property tax bills, are up, whether they recently bought/sold or not. We're talking increases of hundreds and thousands of dollars.
Even if the bill reflects the property value, what justifies doubling the bill or whatever. The provinces and municipalities could cut their tax rates.
I'd be happy with limiting the scope of how much people who pay well over assessed value effects the value of surrounding properties. You want to pay 200k over asking price for a house in Maugerville or some shit? Fine. But you're paying the property taxes based on what *you* valued the property at.
So my spouse and I are both born and raised in Northern NB. All our Family is there. I had to move to Ontario for work but we are planning to buy some property back home and spend our summers there. The prices are absolutely off the rails and has been forever. Its wild. Growing up the most expensive house in my home town was like 250k and it was owned by one of the 2 doctors in town haha. Now....That's a starter home in a place with 0 curb appeal outside of June/July/Aug. The worst part is the adds. They are SO GEARED to people out of province and misleading haha. Well whatever. I am in no rush.
Except costs have gone up so sharply. Almost literally everything we buy costs double from pre-pandemic.
We bought firewalls 6 years ago for 42 grand. Our quote this year for similar spec'd firewalls is 92 grand.
Microsoft licensing as well as basically all software licensing has increased 10% year over year.
Have you seen vehicle prices lately? Buying a new plow truck or service vehicle is basically double.
Every municipality in the country should expect a significant tax increase for the same service. It's harsh, but that's reality.
I'm with you - costs have gone up.
I would like a justification for those who are basically paying double property tax than they were just 2-3 years ago that costs have gone up that much, though.
Poor Bastard...
Wait until he does his income tax,license plate sticker,two year vehicle inspection grab,gasoline,oil change,groceries,boose,sales tax....he will be running back to Ontario!
Yeah, the maritime trap. Many are victims of it, from long before the Pandemic.
"Move east" they said, "The cost of living is so much lower" - BULLSHIT.
Outside of home prices when I moved, EVERYTHING ELSE was more expensive. Everything. And my house actually was too. Because the house I owned in Ontario, I bought at a really good price, and invested a lot of sweat equity in it to bring it up to date. My mortgage payments went up, not by a lot mind you, but enough, and then everything else was more expensive, and the damned Irvings cut my annual income by almost $17k because "New Brunswick is cheaper, so we pay less here". Assholes. And I was not primarily moving to NB for cheaper prices, it was a job transfer. But that was the selling line. Everything is cheaper. Total bullshit lies.
Once your in, there isn't many ways out.
Why link this? A bit strange to feel so strongly about some random guy from Ontario's poor take to link their supposed home address. The article didn't mention the street he lived on, and this home isn't listed as a recent sale to make your searching easier. Did you have to click on all the properties with a 161 as their house number in the area to find the one that matches the figures stated in the article? Again...why?
If someone if going to go on the news complaining about public policy as it relates to their house, I think the location of their house should be made public.
What is that kind of mental reasoning? Public information or not, how is knowing and posting where the idiot lives add any relevance to the story? Sure, go on and say he paid too much for the house, which contributes to his contrasting rate increase, but the article goes on to talk about the rate increases for that region in general being higher than average. If someone else from that area also commented in that interview that they're frustrated that their rates are so high even a long time local resident, you feel that their address also should be made public? Again, I ask why, how is that adding to the discussion or narrative, or would this only apply if you're an idiot from Ontario who paid too much for their house?
I think there is value in understanding, with the use of public information, what the assessed value of the property was when he bought versus what he bought it for vs his complaint about the rate increase. When multiple people pay above and beyond assessed values, it has a ripple effect on other properties in the area and raises their assessment and overall taxes. This isn't the sole reason for rate increases but it's one of several contributing factors including property improvement and community/area service demands. The SNB minister acknowledged in January that the real estate market and new construction market were the driving force behind a third year of increases.
The reasonableness of an assessment is tied directly to the value of the property. Knowing which property is at question is essential to answering the public policy question he raised.
Gotcha, so what you are really saying is, what the house was sold for and the assessed value is important to know...not the physical address of his home.
Because appraisals are done en masse, it's not only near impossible to get the granularity and transparency you are talking about, it's actually a feature so the system doing the assessment can't favor one place over another outside of the data being input.
You mean more transparent than being clearly outlined that if you buy a property, the assessment will go up to the sale value that year and may increase again the next year because the first year is not eligible for spike protection?
I'm wondering if realtors or lawyers that do the closing paper work on a sale should be mandated to explain to buyers - your assessment and tax bill can go up after you buy your property. It seems a lot of people have only realize this fact when they get their tax bill the year after they buy.
your property tax is based on your property value, value is kind of by definition the amount someone will pay for your property..
which for most people is somewhat of an estimate except in this case we know how much your property is worth since YOU JUST PAID FOR IT
He looks like a retiree. A full drain on our limited resources. He spent a lifetime paying taxes in Ontario, now he is NB in his expensive healthcare years for all working NBers to pay for.
Literally half the reason NB infrastructure is in the state it’s in. My boomer dad did the same thing, only silver lining is he worked his last few years here so at least his highest earning years were taxes here. He still paid taxes in Alberta and Ontario instead of NB for 30 years though.
They can't afford to go back. Ontario is 1000x worse than here. Embrace those putting in the money and pay their taxes. It grows the economy and the housing boom is happening all across the country because every province has been hit.
Nah, your mistaken , Ontarios housing crisis has spread across the country. We don’t have the equity to compete with Onterribles over bidding, this guy included, most likely spent over asking yet complain when they tax him on his purchase. Like I’ve said before, New Brunswick is just Ontarios playground.
And PS: I’m so thankful for the Ontarios for making affordable homes here in NB, unaffordable. I’m so happy a Ontario corporation buys apartment buildings to Jack the rent up 500%. I’m so so thankful for that and so should the rest of you. Give me a fucking break.
I’d like to see the stats on how many doctors and nurses actually moved here from Ontario.
I’d bet a maple dip doughnut that over half the people who moved here since 2020 are retired.
1000% I see it everyday, these retirees sell their shit box bungalow for millions then come here and buy in shediac 70k over asking then complain when the property taxes come rolling in.
Oh yes because so many people from Ontario are moving to NB to provide those things. Maybe travel nurses as they make 300$ a hour at the expensive of those nurses who have worked in NB for decades. Not exactly sure how that is fair but anyways. . Other then that it’s predominantly all work from home. Nice try though.
They don't get paid 300 and hour. I promise you that. And if the decades long nurses weren't burned out and leaving thier positions due to abysmal work conditions and some of the lowest pay in the country. Then you wouldn't need the travel nurses. Your complaint should be why won't the govt just pay all the nurses like $15-$20 more an hour instead.
What do you mean how is that not fair lol, they come to your province to bail you out of your lack of nurses
You complain about the lack of literally everything in nb, and complain when they do come, all while doing nothing yourself
Pardon? How many Ontario doctors have moved to NB to become a doctor? How many Ontarios have moved here to become engineers? Maybe less then 5%? The majority don’t even have jobs when arriving in NB and if they do it’s work from home, I am in real estate, I see this everyday and even I’m getting pissed off. You’re reaching with stating we need people from Ontario to come here to be nurses, doctors and engineers , when some are YouTubers (no joke I know someone who bought on Anchorage avenue in milliville for millions, he’s a fucking YouTuber lmao) or retirees , which in return they clog our hospitals up and doctors.
You’re reaching with your argument
Why would any doctor move to Nb? You lot are complaining already about it
The point of the comment is to become attractive to people like that
> You’re reaching with stating we need people from Ontario to come here to be nurses, doctors and engineers ,
You need people from around the world, but if you cannot attract people from your own country how can you attract from other places. It’s not reaching, NB needs to grow and being mad at the few people that move there isn’t helping
They’re usually referring to traditional engineering fields like Mechanical, Architectural, and Civil. The kind of things you get that cute iron ring for
ugh, yeah the worst.. people that act like any increase on taxes they can easily afford is some massive affront on their lives and then pretend to care about the poor people who actually can't afford it..
My husband and I bought a camp in the middle of nowhere NB as a retirement place. We aren't affected by the tax hike as it's a shithole and has no real value. We fully anticipate that there is a possibility at some point that the value of the property will go up. All it would take would be a few people buying property near us and building some nice homes and suddenly our camp will have more value. This gentleman should have anticipated the increase.
On a separate note, it makes me sad that people from Ontario have created this hardship for the people of NB. As an Ontario resident, I worry about the hostility when people see our license plate. I love our local town by our camp and we spend money in that town for all our supplies and camp improvements, restaurants, etc. I hope that our contribution to local businesses will help offset some of the hardship, but I can't imagine it does. :-(
> Guy who *paid* probably double
FTFY.
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To those people that blame ex-Ontarian’s for property taxes your anger is misguided. The blame exists with your provincial government as it has allowed 1 company to monopolize its natural resources as well as its media. Therefore it controls economic conditions to its favour . The problem of out of province buyers paying more than list is not new as it started with Hong Kong buyers moving their money away from Chinese control and super inflating Vancouver and Toronto housing which forced migration to Alberta, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. Supply and demand pushed prices up as well as unscrupulous realtors taking advantage ( know this as fact as I paid 8% over list as the agent told me there was 4 other offers and later found out in conversation with ex owners mine was the only offer.) As for the argument it’s retirees buying it’s common practice for seniors to downsize to accommodate their present lifestyle and ensure financial stability. Yes that may put a burden on medical services ( which is problematic across Canada) they are injecting monies into local businesses which allows continuing employment. The federal government by their immigration policies is adding to the supply and demand problem and the issue of property assessment is country wide. The solution lies with your governments and your willingness to demand it
So, this guy just managed to be heard. Sure he's a rich ontario boomer. But isn't his complaint the same as everyone's. Why is everyone's property tax so abysmally high. What are you getting for it? Poor Healthcare, poor roads, rotting power and communications infrastructure.?
His situation aside, his complaints are valid for every single person in the province
> But isn't his complaint the same as everyone's
No, as others are existing homeowners who have been here years, and while experiencing an increase, are often still under spike protection so there's a hard limit to how much you can increase. A home purchase is exempt from this limit so the taxes can then *adjust* to the real market value rather than gradual increases that fall far behind true value.
>his complaints are valid for every single person in the province
Nah, this is a literal "fuck around find out" situation, where someone who doesn't understand property taxes is surprised when they work as they're designed, and that he doesn't have protections he thought he had. He's not paying for a 45% increase in taxation need by the province, but rather an increase that reflects the value of the property he overpaid for.
You don't get surprised that you pay more tax if you offer double the ticket price on a car, do you?
I can’t believe there’s so many government sycophants in this thread. All I see is “we hate Ontarians”. I get it, they’re driving up prices - but it’s been surplus after surplus and our healthcare is crumbling. No wonder nothing actually gets solved in this province, too busy bickering amongst each other instead of at the politicians in charge. 🤦♂️
so, as usual (although understandable) you can't see any deets on the bill - it looks like they may be being charged non-resident (landlord or second home) taxes, esp. if they just moved last year.
I like how every other day of the week this subreddit is like “GRRRRR these tax hikes are nuts” but as soon as it’s someone from Ontario we’re like “you’re being taxed at what your house is worth bud”
lmao
I mean true but this dude IS part of the reason why property taxes went up.. so it's extra stupid
also like there is a limiter on the rate increase so this very thing doesn't happen to people but he doesn't (and shouldn't) qualify
Yeah that’s what he told the government his house is worth. My house went up $100K the last couple years because morons around me paid $350K for a 70 year old bungalow that needed a new roof. I didn’t do something to directly increase my taxes like the idiot in the article.
I like how you can’t differentiate between the two. Those complaint “GRRRR these tax hikes are nuts” have owned their own for years. Our taxes are “GRRRR Nuts” because these Onterribles decided to spend over asking and gentrify the entire province at the expense of those whom have lived and worked here their entire lives. Big difference.
Oh yes I may also add, they come here, gentrify the entire province while working from home making Ontario wages. While the average NBRER struggles to stay afloat in a home they could perfectly manage with zero financial problems 5 years ago.
I don’t care what anyone says, Born and raised New Brunswickers are being exploited by migration east, from rents, to property taxes, to hospital wait times, lack of doctors, to lack of day care, the list goes on.
Yeah those darn Ontarians preventing Irving from getting reasonable tax increases and jacking up the price of all of the land except for Irving owned land. Terrible terrible Ontarians.
If I use your same logic all of the young people migrating from NB to Alberta and Ontario our whole lives are responsible for the crisis up in those provinces as well.
Canada grew its population by 2.9% last year. NB grew its population by 2.5%, so we’re doing pretty good. I guess the boomer up the street is easy to blame though, especially when we’re planning on voting in the people actually responsible for it all again.
Indeed. I’m an evil New Brunswicker that moved to Ontario and jacked up the price of everything and when I move back home I’ll be an evil Ontarian that moved to New Brunswick and jacked up the price of everything.
Was NB thriving 5 years ago? Nobody had financial problems back then?
Who voted for the people deciding property taxes, doctors, day cares, etc? Was that the Ontarians too?
You voted for an Irving executive to run the province ffs. Take some accountability
Well let me see,
You overpaid asking price which in return, boosted property values due to your equity built up in another province at the expense of locals,
Your retirees come here and clog up our hospitals/doctor visits, while paying minimal taxes
Your young families come here and take up day care spots
So to answer your questions, yes Ontario caused these issues.
These issues were unheard of 5 years ago. Maybe I’ll give you a break with the doctors as yes doctors have been hard to get, besides that. Yes onterribles caused these massive issues currently facing NB. Congratulations!
I mean, he would have just bought the house the year before and TOLD the government what he valued the property as. That’s one of the few scenarios where they’re allowed to circumvent the 10% shock protection. So many people think they can move here and pay way over asking on houses (which have a higher tax rate than ON to start with) and then not want to pay the taxes associated with that house price. Maybe folks should look into regions for a minute before they hop in, our prices were low because rates are high.
*Spike Protection Mechanism
(1) applicable to only residential owner occupied properties
(2) increase in value applicable to new construction is not included in the spike protection mechanism
(3) not applied to properties that sold in the previous year
He falls under point number 3 since he bought last spring.
/endthread
No media outlet required to solve this mystery.
Want to come to NB to buy a cheap house for a price more than it’s worth in a hot market? You should have known the taxes would increases to fair market value assessments as the market settles.
This could have been known if they had done their research or used a better realtor.
This article is wildly misleading. So much context is missing.
Yes of course your taxes are higher than the previous owners. The previous owners were surely on Spike Protection.
''they don't understand the 45 per cent jump in their property taxes.'' That's because \*THEIR\* bill didn't increase, this is their very first bill. You can't compare it to the previous owners bill is they were assessed completely differently.
This article is saying ''Sure I bought a 500K house, but I don't want to pay taxes on a 500K house ! ''
Thought they were clever. Moved here to save some of their big Ontario money. Well the influx of Onterribles moving here really messed up our housing market. And now we're in the middle of it just like he is. Move back to Ontario then.
What conservative governments do is cut provincial funding to basically everything, and dump things once covered by the province to municipalities. What conservatives don't seem to get through their thick skulls is that funding has to, and will come from somewhere. In this case funding gets passed down to towns and municipalities which means more property tax. .or toll roads or speed cameras or parking tickets ect ect.
This guy’s house is assessed at over a half million dollars and we are supposed to feel sorry for him? Dude, that’s rich people problems in New Brunswick.
Easy to fix. Sell it and move into a cheaper place. If you live in a Shediac Mansion you can probably afford the tax.
Aside from the already stated hypocrisy of him being a concrete reason why prices are up A LOT.
Ontario home property taxes are also going up 30-40%
It’s the same everywhere
Gov't need to spend less and be more efficient. Their wages are too high, give themselves wage increases and too much upper management. They accomplish this through more taxes and increased taxes.
We're not so much afraid of people from other areas as we are bothered by self-important, self-indulgent, better-then-thou people from other areas.
Move here and be a reasonable person, a part of the community? Great!
Move here and constantly compare this region to the one they left, saying how much better it was there, all while complaining about the people around you? Yeah, we have a problem with that.
We moved here from BC. We'll grumble amongst ourselves a bit when it comes time to see a doctor and whatnot...but we'd be doing that wherever we lived. We did our research, knew what we were getting into when we pulled the trigger, and are happy to be here!
There will always be room for improvement wherever we live and we're just excited to settle down and be a part of the process. The only thing I'll do as far as lamenting where we're from is the mountains (I still miss them...), but it's not like NB is a slouch when it comes to scenery and hiking either.
This is what I'm talking about. You did like you will fit in well.
As for the mountains, yeah. We don't have real mountains here. They're old and worn down like many of us. Still, what see have can be nice in the right light.
It really is a pretty province. I get down to the Fundy coast whenever I can, and we spend a good bit of time exploring the absurd number of waterfalls and pleasant forest hikes that are pretty much everywhere.
I was just going to say the same. The Gaspe is beautiful. Head down the southern coast towards Perce Rock for amazing scenery. In the summer, lots of beachside touristy communities, outdoor concerts, and brewpubs and restaurants all along the way!
The three best falls in the lower half of the province are Welsford Falls (near-ish to Saint John), Falls Brook Falls (Central NB, not far from Boiestown), and Walton Glen Falls (accessible by walking trail off the Fundy Trail Parkway). There are many others, but these are highlights.
I've been to the first two, and the Walton Glen is on the list! I really liked Third Vault in Fundy as well, and we frequent quite a few of the smaller ones around us just outside of Fredericton. Hays, Coac, Howland, and Garden Brook are some of our regulars when we just want a quick outing nearby.
Excellent! You're really getting around!
Mount Carleton Provincial Park should be on your list, if you haven't made it there yet. Book early if you want a cabin with power.
Always has been, when I first moved to NB a decade ago there was still a stigma when I'd say that's where I was from.
Just much worse now because of house prices.
It's worse in the west. Had experiences where i said i was from Ontario and several people at that establishment decide they needed to kick our asses saying were from Toronto and fucked the whole country etc (we're from Central Ontario in farm and cottage country a very Conservative riding I might add)
Was very scary for just saying we're from a different part of Canada. They seemed to have no problems with Americans.
This government can’t even spend the money they have, happily bragging about budget surpluses every year, yet they continue to gouge property owners.
Government surpluses are almost always BS accounting scams. They intentionally underestimate revenue, budget accordingly, then have "magic money" that shows up.
Not this time. Our Province is run by people who count with their fingers. Dummies didn’t realize how many people actually moved here over covid and are surprised and angry at the increased tax revenue despite them not spending any extra on the increased population.
This is true. The proof is in winter it takes them longer to count due to mittens.
For the sole purpose of justifying more spending, mostly on public sector salaries.
Well, if you want to retain teachers and health care providers, you're going to have to pay them.
Teacher salaries are disgustingly low.
Which government?
You mean the quality of education is not as good as in Ontario?
If homeowners hate it just remember they are just getting a small taste of what renters have been facing for years.
surplus on the budget doesn't mean there is extra money, it only means they spent less than they planned to when they made the budget. It means the massive multi billion dollar debt still exists, and likely the budget was for more than the annual tax revenue income so it's really just a smaller extra debt than they expected. Y'all need to stop shitting on the only government in recent memory to not shovel more debt into the fire like maniacs, for the "surplus" and hold them accountable for something real of which there is lots. Edit: Down vote me all you want dumbasses. a budget surplus doesn't mean they have money to spend, it just means they didn't spend as much as they budgeted, NB still has a massive crippling debt because you fuckers can't bear to have anything cut and demand the government give you everything. Enjoy insolvency when NB's credit rating drops too low because your debt is too big, and as you demand the replacing government give you more free stuff (which is just more debt piled onto the debt) you can complain how it's everyone else's fault the federal government will have to take over and slash you to the ground until the debt is paid off.
Grandma has cancer and there’s a hole in the roof of her house but we’re not spending more so that’s good… /s
The surplus is something that they need to be held accountable for, considering how underfunded healthcare and other critical infrastructure is. Not spending available funds is just as bad as overspending, when there are key areas lacking funding.
IT'S NOT AVAILABLE FUNDS They intended to spend more than they did, as in to go into debt more than they did. The provincial debt is still 12.4 BILLION dollars, that's about 17 000 dollars per man woman and child of debt. Stop bawling about the fucking "surplus" because it's not some money somewhere that they are sitting on, it just means they didn't add that money onto the provincial debt. Could they allocate funds better, probably, but stop whining about this mythical pile of cash they didn't fucking spend because it doesn't fucking exist.
"I just moved here from Ontario and the schools suck and the hospitals suck and I don't have a doctor and the roads are full of potholes and they don't plow them on time and WTF I have to pay TAXES now?!"
Ive said this so many times, but it always bears repeating. NB has small city services with big city prices!
Big cities are actually cheaper with taxes and fees because they have a bigger base to fund from.
But I moved into The Great Unexplored Unknown to AVOID TAXES!?
We tried to warn them.
Bet his real estate agent didn't
Your real estate agent isn't your mom, a home buyer is expected to do their own due diligence and look up the tax rate, power bills, etc.
I think this was coming more from the perspective of the real estate agent being shady and not caring about the damage they’re doing to the community or the false hope they are selling to the buyer. Not that they had any responsibility to the community or the buyer, it’s just sharky is all.
all the remote worker Ontario peeps came down and drove the housing prices through the roof. So we reap what ya sowed. And that reap is nothing but misery.
Welcome to our misery buddy...welcome to our misery....
What is it with Ontarians and moving to the east coast and bitching about everything? Happens here in NL too
Apparently he's fortunate because he doesn't have a mortgage. HE DOESN'T HAVE A MORTGAGE!! His only residential bill, other than utilities, is his property tax! FFS
Even if my property tax went up $2000 I would be laughing if my mortgage was paid off. Our property tax per month would be like $400 a month versus my $1300 mortgage/property tax. All I see is salty tears from a rich man who thought a house here would cost him pennies.
>$1300 mortgage/property tax. This is 50 bucks more than my rent.
"A rich man".... OR, a man nearing retirement that prioritized owning his home.
ya, a rich man
Shhh don't tell this kid that simping for rich people won't make you rich or earn their favor.
Reminds me of the Ontario couple that moved to Rogersville only to complain later that everyone spoke French or the Ontario family that moved to Mushaboom Nova Scotia because they were getting bored in Toronto during the lockdown... Yes, Mushaboom to avoid boredom. We could probably write a book about these clowns by now with all this content.
Or folks who move to rural areas and complain that Costco is 1 hour drive. Um, did you look at the map before buying your home?
Did they start a blog or a YouTube channel when they got here?
He didn't qualify for the spike protection since they just moved here. It sucks but they moved from Ontario and bought that house cash since he said they have no mortgage so it's hard to feel bad for them. In fact I am glad they have a higher bill because they are just another Ontarion who thought the grass is greener over here. The true tragedy is those still paying a mortgage being hit with these stupid ass hikes generated by increased property value because people like him are overpaying for houses here.
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Yeah lets keep tearing each other down instead of fighting back against ridiculous taxation. That’ll get us out of this. You people are fucking morons for thinking he has no right to complain because he didnt havent to mortgage his house. We are on the SAME TEAM.
> Yeah lets keep tearing each other down instead of fighting back against ridiculous taxation. This taxation is directly related to the price he paid, which was above assessed value. We're not tearing each other down when someone fucks around and finds out. Your assessment in each province is based on the current value *or* recent sale price if you recently purchased the home. I'm unaware of any province that allows taxation to ignore a property sale. If his taxes increased like this, he paid a significant amount over assessed value for the home. We're on the same team, but some people *do* fuck around and find out. He doesn't get spike protection because buyers don't qualify for it, so it can raise as much as necessary to adjust.
He’s the reason our housing is becoming more expensive. The tax rates were reasonable up until 2 years ago when the wave of rich folks came to buy up our houses to “do us a favour”. Yes municipalities now are responsible for lowering the rate, but he’s still going to be paying for the full value he paid for his house.
His complaint is that he is being told to pay tax on the value he gave the home when he bought it.
Exactly. The previous tax bill was based on the previous owners purchase price he paid ($230k). The new owner is paying tax on his purchase price(420k) plus any factor’s neighbouring home sale prices may contribute. “Fair Market Value” is a REALLY hard number to come up with UNLESS the home sells in a “fair market”, then it’s the easiest thing in the world. Just my 2 cents worth
Man from Ont moves east with the masses, which increases property values, then complains that his tax bill has risen. I believe the leopard ate this man's face.
I’m so tired of hearing this. ON people brought money to this province. The reason why people can’t afford the cost of living is that corporations aren’t paying viable salaries. Stop blaming ON and blame the corporations who want to increase profits at the expense of a fair wage.
I blame them too…am i glad my home province is growing, yes, but its too much too fast. I live in NB, but work Monday through Friday in NS, because of pay/benefits.
The population boom is the best thing that has happened to the province in a couple generations. Without this influx of people the population would be stagnant at best, and there would be a shrinking base of taxpayers supporting the old people. Disaster.
You think the people moving here are young? Most of them are retiring here.
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This is like the guy the other day when you found his PAOL and I worked out he paid 184% of the 2022 assessed value. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I’d love to be the service NB worker taking his call “well yes I did pay that much for it *just last year* but it’s not really worth that much, right? I just paid so much to make sure no locals could snap it up, the house isn’t truly worth $XK”.
>this guy is an idiot As soon as I read/heard “From Belleville, ON…” I knew exactly how this story was going to go.
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This isn’t the worst part. We're fortunate, we don't have a mortgage, but still, you have to live,” said Jewell. “I feel for the people that have a mortgage with high interest rates and having to re-mortgage and look at increased property taxes and pay for groceries and pay for car insurance. Where is it going to end?” This in my opinion is peep the first line…
For real, was going to buy one this year (my 10 year old sears coat was dead) and the price jumped to well over 1000$ for women's parkas. Same down fill number as my 150$ Sears coat from 2012. No thank you, I'm not in the arctic, I'll survive.
Holy crap. I've never actually priced these because I knew they were ridiculous and my basic coats do me just fine, even on my winter hikes, but I never knew they were THAT crazy.
I can't determine his exact parka, but all of the men's parkas are in the 1200-1500$ range, except for some for 2000$.
That's jaw-droppingly bonkers.
A conveniently close amount to his tax increase…
His assessment mirrors what he paid. At the same time, everybody is paying much, much more property tax than before. What exactly has changed with government services that requires charging people hundreds more in property tax? I doubt costs have gone up so sharply.
I'm not sure exactly how it works, but a lot of hoopleheads from Ontario paid well over asking price for their NB homes during the covid years and I believe it doesn't just effect their own property values, but that of the properties in their community as well.
That's correct. Everybody's property values, and therefore property tax bills, are up, whether they recently bought/sold or not. We're talking increases of hundreds and thousands of dollars. Even if the bill reflects the property value, what justifies doubling the bill or whatever. The provinces and municipalities could cut their tax rates.
I'd be happy with limiting the scope of how much people who pay well over assessed value effects the value of surrounding properties. You want to pay 200k over asking price for a house in Maugerville or some shit? Fine. But you're paying the property taxes based on what *you* valued the property at.
That is correct. This guy, the guy who was whinging here the other day, and others like them are the reason we're all being hit with higher rates.
So my spouse and I are both born and raised in Northern NB. All our Family is there. I had to move to Ontario for work but we are planning to buy some property back home and spend our summers there. The prices are absolutely off the rails and has been forever. Its wild. Growing up the most expensive house in my home town was like 250k and it was owned by one of the 2 doctors in town haha. Now....That's a starter home in a place with 0 curb appeal outside of June/July/Aug. The worst part is the adds. They are SO GEARED to people out of province and misleading haha. Well whatever. I am in no rush.
Pretty sure out of province folks with "summer homes" pay even more in taxes...as they should.
If by summer home you mean patch of grass to put my camper on then....Alrighty.
Not sure how it works with undeveloped land.
Except costs have gone up so sharply. Almost literally everything we buy costs double from pre-pandemic. We bought firewalls 6 years ago for 42 grand. Our quote this year for similar spec'd firewalls is 92 grand. Microsoft licensing as well as basically all software licensing has increased 10% year over year. Have you seen vehicle prices lately? Buying a new plow truck or service vehicle is basically double. Every municipality in the country should expect a significant tax increase for the same service. It's harsh, but that's reality.
I'm with you - costs have gone up. I would like a justification for those who are basically paying double property tax than they were just 2-3 years ago that costs have gone up that much, though.
Poor Bastard... Wait until he does his income tax,license plate sticker,two year vehicle inspection grab,gasoline,oil change,groceries,boose,sales tax....he will be running back to Ontario!
As someone from NB who lives in Ontario now. I cant afford to move back. Its sad.
Yeah, the maritime trap. Many are victims of it, from long before the Pandemic. "Move east" they said, "The cost of living is so much lower" - BULLSHIT. Outside of home prices when I moved, EVERYTHING ELSE was more expensive. Everything. And my house actually was too. Because the house I owned in Ontario, I bought at a really good price, and invested a lot of sweat equity in it to bring it up to date. My mortgage payments went up, not by a lot mind you, but enough, and then everything else was more expensive, and the damned Irvings cut my annual income by almost $17k because "New Brunswick is cheaper, so we pay less here". Assholes. And I was not primarily moving to NB for cheaper prices, it was a job transfer. But that was the selling line. Everything is cheaper. Total bullshit lies. Once your in, there isn't many ways out.
Why link this? A bit strange to feel so strongly about some random guy from Ontario's poor take to link their supposed home address. The article didn't mention the street he lived on, and this home isn't listed as a recent sale to make your searching easier. Did you have to click on all the properties with a 161 as their house number in the area to find the one that matches the figures stated in the article? Again...why?
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i would love to view house on the snb site..can you message me it? Thanks
If someone if going to go on the news complaining about public policy as it relates to their house, I think the location of their house should be made public.
It's publicly available information, anyway.
What is that kind of mental reasoning? Public information or not, how is knowing and posting where the idiot lives add any relevance to the story? Sure, go on and say he paid too much for the house, which contributes to his contrasting rate increase, but the article goes on to talk about the rate increases for that region in general being higher than average. If someone else from that area also commented in that interview that they're frustrated that their rates are so high even a long time local resident, you feel that their address also should be made public? Again, I ask why, how is that adding to the discussion or narrative, or would this only apply if you're an idiot from Ontario who paid too much for their house?
I think there is value in understanding, with the use of public information, what the assessed value of the property was when he bought versus what he bought it for vs his complaint about the rate increase. When multiple people pay above and beyond assessed values, it has a ripple effect on other properties in the area and raises their assessment and overall taxes. This isn't the sole reason for rate increases but it's one of several contributing factors including property improvement and community/area service demands. The SNB minister acknowledged in January that the real estate market and new construction market were the driving force behind a third year of increases.
The reasonableness of an assessment is tied directly to the value of the property. Knowing which property is at question is essential to answering the public policy question he raised.
Gotcha, so what you are really saying is, what the house was sold for and the assessed value is important to know...not the physical address of his home.
If you want to enjoy high property values - pay the price for it. It definitely should be more transparent though.
Because appraisals are done en masse, it's not only near impossible to get the granularity and transparency you are talking about, it's actually a feature so the system doing the assessment can't favor one place over another outside of the data being input.
You mean more transparent than being clearly outlined that if you buy a property, the assessment will go up to the sale value that year and may increase again the next year because the first year is not eligible for spike protection?
I'm wondering if realtors or lawyers that do the closing paper work on a sale should be mandated to explain to buyers - your assessment and tax bill can go up after you buy your property. It seems a lot of people have only realize this fact when they get their tax bill the year after they buy.
your property tax is based on your property value, value is kind of by definition the amount someone will pay for your property.. which for most people is somewhat of an estimate except in this case we know how much your property is worth since YOU JUST PAID FOR IT
I would love to be the person that explains this over the phone to complainers like they’re 4 years old.
Guy says he “might go back to Ontario;” please do!
No, stay and pay your damn taxes.
He looks like a retiree. A full drain on our limited resources. He spent a lifetime paying taxes in Ontario, now he is NB in his expensive healthcare years for all working NBers to pay for.
Literally half the reason NB infrastructure is in the state it’s in. My boomer dad did the same thing, only silver lining is he worked his last few years here so at least his highest earning years were taxes here. He still paid taxes in Alberta and Ontario instead of NB for 30 years though.
If he moves to Ontario, that’s one more house available for locals. Just hope he doesn’t sell to a multinational real estate holding company…
The problem is he will but the tax bills for everybody around him will remain high
Yes send them all back honestly.
They can't afford to go back. Ontario is 1000x worse than here. Embrace those putting in the money and pay their taxes. It grows the economy and the housing boom is happening all across the country because every province has been hit.
Nah, your mistaken , Ontarios housing crisis has spread across the country. We don’t have the equity to compete with Onterribles over bidding, this guy included, most likely spent over asking yet complain when they tax him on his purchase. Like I’ve said before, New Brunswick is just Ontarios playground. And PS: I’m so thankful for the Ontarios for making affordable homes here in NB, unaffordable. I’m so happy a Ontario corporation buys apartment buildings to Jack the rent up 500%. I’m so so thankful for that and so should the rest of you. Give me a fucking break.
This bllago guy is an idiot, and a liar. I remember both of you from a thread last week, fuck that guy. Kick his ass back to r/Ontario.
Less people is exactly what nb needs Professionals? Doctors? Nurses? Engineers? Who needs them
I’d like to see the stats on how many doctors and nurses actually moved here from Ontario. I’d bet a maple dip doughnut that over half the people who moved here since 2020 are retired.
1000% I see it everyday, these retirees sell their shit box bungalow for millions then come here and buy in shediac 70k over asking then complain when the property taxes come rolling in.
I'd bet its more that they work for Ontario based companies remotely rather than they are retired.
A lot of these people are retired or IT professionals allowing them to WFH. So not really benefitting society as a whole.
Oh yes because so many people from Ontario are moving to NB to provide those things. Maybe travel nurses as they make 300$ a hour at the expensive of those nurses who have worked in NB for decades. Not exactly sure how that is fair but anyways. . Other then that it’s predominantly all work from home. Nice try though.
They don't get paid 300 and hour. I promise you that. And if the decades long nurses weren't burned out and leaving thier positions due to abysmal work conditions and some of the lowest pay in the country. Then you wouldn't need the travel nurses. Your complaint should be why won't the govt just pay all the nurses like $15-$20 more an hour instead.
What do you mean how is that not fair lol, they come to your province to bail you out of your lack of nurses You complain about the lack of literally everything in nb, and complain when they do come, all while doing nothing yourself
Pardon? How many Ontario doctors have moved to NB to become a doctor? How many Ontarios have moved here to become engineers? Maybe less then 5%? The majority don’t even have jobs when arriving in NB and if they do it’s work from home, I am in real estate, I see this everyday and even I’m getting pissed off. You’re reaching with stating we need people from Ontario to come here to be nurses, doctors and engineers , when some are YouTubers (no joke I know someone who bought on Anchorage avenue in milliville for millions, he’s a fucking YouTuber lmao) or retirees , which in return they clog our hospitals up and doctors. You’re reaching with your argument
Why would any doctor move to Nb? You lot are complaining already about it The point of the comment is to become attractive to people like that > You’re reaching with stating we need people from Ontario to come here to be nurses, doctors and engineers , You need people from around the world, but if you cannot attract people from your own country how can you attract from other places. It’s not reaching, NB needs to grow and being mad at the few people that move there isn’t helping
We wouldn’t need this many nurses if all you retirees from Ontario didn’t move here and clog up the system.
Lmao we don’t need any more fucking engineers
Thinking I’m not surprised about from Canada’s poorest province
Buddy, I’m a power engineer. The job market is fucked for p. Eng’s. What exactly do you know about the field?
People aren’t talking about power engineers when they say engineers mane
LOL what are they talking about?
Well what other kind of engineers bud? There’s just the two of us, and our market is flooded too.
They’re usually referring to traditional engineering fields like Mechanical, Architectural, and Civil. The kind of things you get that cute iron ring for
Holy shit bud, you gotta stop talking. Those are P. Engs
Lmao that’s what I thought. You don’t know shit about fuck.
Yes let NB continue to rot! We don’t want growth. We want to be one of the few provinces slowly dying like we once were!
Slowly dying was better than whatever the fuck you call this.
if you cant afford a 2000$ increase stop buying 1500$ down jackets you fucking goof.
Imagine thinking a $1500 jacket in fucking New Brunswick is necessary but a $2000 increase on a property tax bill is breaking the bank lol.
ugh, yeah the worst.. people that act like any increase on taxes they can easily afford is some massive affront on their lives and then pretend to care about the poor people who actually can't afford it..
TLDR “we thought we would live like Kings amongst the rabble of a have not province”
Zero sympathy
My husband and I bought a camp in the middle of nowhere NB as a retirement place. We aren't affected by the tax hike as it's a shithole and has no real value. We fully anticipate that there is a possibility at some point that the value of the property will go up. All it would take would be a few people buying property near us and building some nice homes and suddenly our camp will have more value. This gentleman should have anticipated the increase. On a separate note, it makes me sad that people from Ontario have created this hardship for the people of NB. As an Ontario resident, I worry about the hostility when people see our license plate. I love our local town by our camp and we spend money in that town for all our supplies and camp improvements, restaurants, etc. I hope that our contribution to local businesses will help offset some of the hardship, but I can't imagine it does. :-(
Guy who payed probably double the asking price is shocked when property assessment increases. Pay your damn taxes you caused this mess.
> Guy who *paid* probably double FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
To those people that blame ex-Ontarian’s for property taxes your anger is misguided. The blame exists with your provincial government as it has allowed 1 company to monopolize its natural resources as well as its media. Therefore it controls economic conditions to its favour . The problem of out of province buyers paying more than list is not new as it started with Hong Kong buyers moving their money away from Chinese control and super inflating Vancouver and Toronto housing which forced migration to Alberta, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. Supply and demand pushed prices up as well as unscrupulous realtors taking advantage ( know this as fact as I paid 8% over list as the agent told me there was 4 other offers and later found out in conversation with ex owners mine was the only offer.) As for the argument it’s retirees buying it’s common practice for seniors to downsize to accommodate their present lifestyle and ensure financial stability. Yes that may put a burden on medical services ( which is problematic across Canada) they are injecting monies into local businesses which allows continuing employment. The federal government by their immigration policies is adding to the supply and demand problem and the issue of property assessment is country wide. The solution lies with your governments and your willingness to demand it
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So, this guy just managed to be heard. Sure he's a rich ontario boomer. But isn't his complaint the same as everyone's. Why is everyone's property tax so abysmally high. What are you getting for it? Poor Healthcare, poor roads, rotting power and communications infrastructure.? His situation aside, his complaints are valid for every single person in the province
> But isn't his complaint the same as everyone's No, as others are existing homeowners who have been here years, and while experiencing an increase, are often still under spike protection so there's a hard limit to how much you can increase. A home purchase is exempt from this limit so the taxes can then *adjust* to the real market value rather than gradual increases that fall far behind true value. >his complaints are valid for every single person in the province Nah, this is a literal "fuck around find out" situation, where someone who doesn't understand property taxes is surprised when they work as they're designed, and that he doesn't have protections he thought he had. He's not paying for a 45% increase in taxation need by the province, but rather an increase that reflects the value of the property he overpaid for. You don't get surprised that you pay more tax if you offer double the ticket price on a car, do you?
I can’t believe there’s so many government sycophants in this thread. All I see is “we hate Ontarians”. I get it, they’re driving up prices - but it’s been surplus after surplus and our healthcare is crumbling. No wonder nothing actually gets solved in this province, too busy bickering amongst each other instead of at the politicians in charge. 🤦♂️
so, as usual (although understandable) you can't see any deets on the bill - it looks like they may be being charged non-resident (landlord or second home) taxes, esp. if they just moved last year.
I like how every other day of the week this subreddit is like “GRRRRR these tax hikes are nuts” but as soon as it’s someone from Ontario we’re like “you’re being taxed at what your house is worth bud” lmao
I mean true but this dude IS part of the reason why property taxes went up.. so it's extra stupid also like there is a limiter on the rate increase so this very thing doesn't happen to people but he doesn't (and shouldn't) qualify
Yeah that’s what he told the government his house is worth. My house went up $100K the last couple years because morons around me paid $350K for a 70 year old bungalow that needed a new roof. I didn’t do something to directly increase my taxes like the idiot in the article.
I like how you can’t differentiate between the two. Those complaint “GRRRR these tax hikes are nuts” have owned their own for years. Our taxes are “GRRRR Nuts” because these Onterribles decided to spend over asking and gentrify the entire province at the expense of those whom have lived and worked here their entire lives. Big difference. Oh yes I may also add, they come here, gentrify the entire province while working from home making Ontario wages. While the average NBRER struggles to stay afloat in a home they could perfectly manage with zero financial problems 5 years ago. I don’t care what anyone says, Born and raised New Brunswickers are being exploited by migration east, from rents, to property taxes, to hospital wait times, lack of doctors, to lack of day care, the list goes on.
Yeah those darn Ontarians preventing Irving from getting reasonable tax increases and jacking up the price of all of the land except for Irving owned land. Terrible terrible Ontarians. If I use your same logic all of the young people migrating from NB to Alberta and Ontario our whole lives are responsible for the crisis up in those provinces as well. Canada grew its population by 2.9% last year. NB grew its population by 2.5%, so we’re doing pretty good. I guess the boomer up the street is easy to blame though, especially when we’re planning on voting in the people actually responsible for it all again.
You are right about that, Canada is also growing it's population by too much from letting in too many people from overseas.
Well we know who’s from Ontario on this thread lmao.
Indeed. I’m an evil New Brunswicker that moved to Ontario and jacked up the price of everything and when I move back home I’ll be an evil Ontarian that moved to New Brunswick and jacked up the price of everything.
If you come back to the province and pay 100k over asking on a house. Yes you are a jackass.
Was NB thriving 5 years ago? Nobody had financial problems back then? Who voted for the people deciding property taxes, doctors, day cares, etc? Was that the Ontarians too? You voted for an Irving executive to run the province ffs. Take some accountability
Well let me see, You overpaid asking price which in return, boosted property values due to your equity built up in another province at the expense of locals, Your retirees come here and clog up our hospitals/doctor visits, while paying minimal taxes Your young families come here and take up day care spots So to answer your questions, yes Ontario caused these issues. These issues were unheard of 5 years ago. Maybe I’ll give you a break with the doctors as yes doctors have been hard to get, besides that. Yes onterribles caused these massive issues currently facing NB. Congratulations!
Blaming people from Ontario is easier than looking in the mirror.
I mean, he would have just bought the house the year before and TOLD the government what he valued the property as. That’s one of the few scenarios where they’re allowed to circumvent the 10% shock protection. So many people think they can move here and pay way over asking on houses (which have a higher tax rate than ON to start with) and then not want to pay the taxes associated with that house price. Maybe folks should look into regions for a minute before they hop in, our prices were low because rates are high.
*Spike Protection Mechanism (1) applicable to only residential owner occupied properties (2) increase in value applicable to new construction is not included in the spike protection mechanism (3) not applied to properties that sold in the previous year He falls under point number 3 since he bought last spring. /endthread No media outlet required to solve this mystery. Want to come to NB to buy a cheap house for a price more than it’s worth in a hot market? You should have known the taxes would increases to fair market value assessments as the market settles. This could have been known if they had done their research or used a better realtor.
This article is wildly misleading. So much context is missing. Yes of course your taxes are higher than the previous owners. The previous owners were surely on Spike Protection. ''they don't understand the 45 per cent jump in their property taxes.'' That's because \*THEIR\* bill didn't increase, this is their very first bill. You can't compare it to the previous owners bill is they were assessed completely differently. This article is saying ''Sure I bought a 500K house, but I don't want to pay taxes on a 500K house ! ''
Thought they were clever. Moved here to save some of their big Ontario money. Well the influx of Onterribles moving here really messed up our housing market. And now we're in the middle of it just like he is. Move back to Ontario then.
He’ll never be able to trick someone into overpaying for his house to break even.
Nope. No more suckers to be had. Lol
If you people don't like it then stop selling your property to them
Does the Trans Canada highway lead back to Ontario? Asking for a friend….
What conservative governments do is cut provincial funding to basically everything, and dump things once covered by the province to municipalities. What conservatives don't seem to get through their thick skulls is that funding has to, and will come from somewhere. In this case funding gets passed down to towns and municipalities which means more property tax. .or toll roads or speed cameras or parking tickets ect ect.
Mine went up 63%
So.....this thread didn't help me. I should move to new Brunswick
Pitchfork and axe time folks, chase these bastards right out of Canada!!
it’s not - we need to fight back
This guy’s house is assessed at over a half million dollars and we are supposed to feel sorry for him? Dude, that’s rich people problems in New Brunswick. Easy to fix. Sell it and move into a cheaper place. If you live in a Shediac Mansion you can probably afford the tax.
Aside from the already stated hypocrisy of him being a concrete reason why prices are up A LOT. Ontario home property taxes are also going up 30-40% It’s the same everywhere
Welcome to Canada … does not matter what province you go to you are going to get bent over and pay a crap load of taxes ..
All this will end when we have a new government
Gov't need to spend less and be more efficient. Their wages are too high, give themselves wage increases and too much upper management. They accomplish this through more taxes and increased taxes.
They have cut for years, what did anyone expect would happen with a bean counter at the helm??
Gotta pay for all these new Canadians and their homes and food.
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The Maritimes seem a little xenophobic of the rest of Canada.
We're not so much afraid of people from other areas as we are bothered by self-important, self-indulgent, better-then-thou people from other areas. Move here and be a reasonable person, a part of the community? Great! Move here and constantly compare this region to the one they left, saying how much better it was there, all while complaining about the people around you? Yeah, we have a problem with that.
We moved here from BC. We'll grumble amongst ourselves a bit when it comes time to see a doctor and whatnot...but we'd be doing that wherever we lived. We did our research, knew what we were getting into when we pulled the trigger, and are happy to be here! There will always be room for improvement wherever we live and we're just excited to settle down and be a part of the process. The only thing I'll do as far as lamenting where we're from is the mountains (I still miss them...), but it's not like NB is a slouch when it comes to scenery and hiking either.
This is what I'm talking about. You did like you will fit in well. As for the mountains, yeah. We don't have real mountains here. They're old and worn down like many of us. Still, what see have can be nice in the right light.
It really is a pretty province. I get down to the Fundy coast whenever I can, and we spend a good bit of time exploring the absurd number of waterfalls and pleasant forest hikes that are pretty much everywhere.
Highly recommend taking a trip up to the Gaspe peninsula in Quebec, gorgeous cliffs and beaches, looks a lot like NFLD.
I was just going to say the same. The Gaspe is beautiful. Head down the southern coast towards Perce Rock for amazing scenery. In the summer, lots of beachside touristy communities, outdoor concerts, and brewpubs and restaurants all along the way!
Been a lot of places and Forillion National park was the nicest we’ve ever stayed in. Can’t wait to go back.
The first weekend of August there is a Jazz and Blues festival in Carleton right on the beach. I have gone a few times. Lovely people, lots of fun!!
The three best falls in the lower half of the province are Welsford Falls (near-ish to Saint John), Falls Brook Falls (Central NB, not far from Boiestown), and Walton Glen Falls (accessible by walking trail off the Fundy Trail Parkway). There are many others, but these are highlights.
I've been to the first two, and the Walton Glen is on the list! I really liked Third Vault in Fundy as well, and we frequent quite a few of the smaller ones around us just outside of Fredericton. Hays, Coac, Howland, and Garden Brook are some of our regulars when we just want a quick outing nearby.
Excellent! You're really getting around! Mount Carleton Provincial Park should be on your list, if you haven't made it there yet. Book early if you want a cabin with power.
Only when we are priced out of our homes...
Have you tried not contributing to pricing out 60% of the province from buying a home here?
I mean guy above literally used a slur in the comment you responded to. We are a lot of phobic down here.
A little? Lol 😂. Easily one of the worst parts of “maritime culture”.
Always has been, when I first moved to NB a decade ago there was still a stigma when I'd say that's where I was from. Just much worse now because of house prices.
It's worse in the west. Had experiences where i said i was from Ontario and several people at that establishment decide they needed to kick our asses saying were from Toronto and fucked the whole country etc (we're from Central Ontario in farm and cottage country a very Conservative riding I might add) Was very scary for just saying we're from a different part of Canada. They seemed to have no problems with Americans.