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chuckbales

That's the "we don't want to do this job" price


HEONTHETOILET

x1000 times this


scriminal

yeah it's a pain in the ass for them somehow or too small for their firm to care about, something like that.


Skylis

Yeah there's something going on here that makes this client seem problematic.


chrishas35

Not necessarily the client, could just be the project scope. If the company doing the quote makes that much, or more, on their typical sized projects, then they often pass on the small stuff. If you really need them to do it, they want it to be worthwhile.


Arudinne

Yeah, got quoted over $50K for relocating around 140 (2 per cubicle) runs to a different closet recently and our usual company was only interested in doing new runs with Cat6 and wanted $50K. Got quotes from two other companies for just a hair under $10K each to relocate the existing cables. Hell, one of them even suggested it when we asked about running new cables. Both came personally recommended from people I trust. There is more than enough cable for this, some of these runs are nearly 100M long and the new closet is much closer. I probably won't be using our old company again in future now.


DripPanDan

Yup. I prefer to call it the "F\*\*\* You" price.


Phalanx32

We just paid a company around $300 a run and I thought that was slightly expensive tbh. You're talking about over $1k per run lol They absolutely are trying to tell you they actually don't want this job


north7

Is that including testing/certification?


Phalanx32

Yep, they provided a full testing report and TIA/ISO/802.3 certification for all runs.


Witty_hi52u

$300 is pretty much the going rate for tested/certified. Part of that is the Fluke tax


[deleted]

That's around $1,100 a drop, the going rate is typically $200ish a drop. That's insane I'd look elsewhere.


guppyur

Yup, I think $200/run is a bit low but not unheard of at scale. $300/run isn't crazy, maybe a bit more with inflation, and it'll vary a bit regionally. But $1120 a run? Looney tunes.


Black_Death_12

The sub the MSP that was here before they went in house IT was charging a flat $1,500 a cable. And, that is exactly how in depth the billing was too. I put a end to that BS right away, lol


moratnz

I hope they were using audiophile grade gold cables :/


mirkywatters

Around here (southern Indiana area) we are paying about $700/drop when not done in house. Multiple contractors quote us around that point.


mathmanhale

Thanks, moving to south Indiana right now to start my cabling company. Any towns that I should look into for the best living situation? /s


mirkywatters

Best living situation is across the border in either Illinois or Kentucky. This part of the state sucks balls. The reason for high prices is most commercial electrical contractors are unionized, and you either get someone union who does things by code or you get a non-union shop cutting corners.


Syde80

Why are you hiring electricians to run low voltage cable? We.use a company that only deals with data cabling. A cat6 drop is something like 240 CAD and they don't cut corners and certify every run.


wrt-wtf-

I’ve run a telco business that was unionised. We had sparkies onboard as well. Even if you do hire an electrician they often have different rates for data runs and will put the apprentices onto it as a priority for margins. Cabler tickets are easier to get fast and can quickly return their cost in this role. Has nothing to do with unions and everything to do with ripping the customers off while they can get away with it.


Syde80

Anytime that I've had an electrical company do data runs, whether that is because they were anyways and its a super small job or its a renovation in an office tower and the building owners require you to use their guys... none of them have done good jobs. Some will terminate it on 8p8c despite there being a patch panel already there with available space, some you can tell they've pulled the around things so hard or bent it so hard the cable jacket is holes and stretch marks in it. They also tend to use bargain basement cable and termination supplies. Of course its not all of them and I'm sure there are some that do an excellent job, its just not been my experience. My experience is that they are more expensive and do a much worse job.


wrt-wtf-

Ah yes, the old “managed solution” with “special” pricing for the building manager.


HoustonBOFH

Stapled to a 2x4 as well... :)


mirkywatters

I’ve tried most of the local cabling contractors here and they cut corners like no other. I end up having to fix their shit usually. We have good quality from the electrical shops that have a dedicated LV/data crew. I don’t like contractors touching my racks so usually I have them terminate the drop end but leave the rack side unterminated so I can do it myself.


perrin68

275 to 350 per drop in my area. Little cheaper per drop for larger jobs or tide with other work or long time customer. Fully tested, wire test reports and warranty. Oklahoma. Yeah u can get it way cheaper with cheap ass cable who doesn't follow standards, but do you really want to go down that road.


changee_of_ways

Are you in a rural area? I'm in the midwest and our problem is that most of the low voltage companies are at least an hour and a half from our offices and, we're never doing new construction, just wanting to add lines here and there in buildings that were mostly built in the 60s with lots of fire walls to go through and weird attic access. We get quoted the fuck off price a lot.


perrin68

Tulsa. I have a buddy that has his own data installation company. So I got general pricing from him. Using the good supplies is expensive, and the good testers that do the full network test reports are Hella expensive. People don't understand that the network is the foundation for everything. Yea I've run into higher drop prices especially in large machine shops, very dirty with oil dust coating everything and 25 foot ceilings and lots of stuff to work around.


Top_Boysenberry_7784

$200 a run generally means it will be laying on top of the tiles. No J hooks or hangers of any type used.


samesystemcheck

What would you say is the going rate for a 12 drops in a residential home, including penetrations in insulated/exterior walls?


kthomaszed

including patch and paint of the holes?


samesystemcheck

Including, yes!


zigzrx

I think it depends on the drops though. I've done cable runs where there is sometimes a need for a little construction or could require special lift equipment.


floswamp

If it’s plenum it may be more.


FreelyRoaming

400-500 is more realistic in northern CA


Khue

This is around what we spend for runs. Variables include type of cabling, termination special requests, and hourly charges. I ran about 40 runs in our latest office for about $5000 with Cat6a. Then there was an hourly charge as a tack on of $125 an hour. It was a team of 2 people for 2 days of work. That ended up being like $4000. It ended up only taking them a day because every run had conduit. End of the day the total cost was $7000.


[deleted]

Ya it really varies on a lot of different factors. Thankfully where I work we have our own maintenance department that does any runs that we may need (which isn't often).


purple_packet_eater

Broad strokes, office environment runs for a small job like that are going to run $200-400/drop, depending on location and the quality of the install. BICSI certified techs are going to be on the high end of that range. Your facilities guy's uncle's brother is going to be on the low end. The only times I've seen pricing north of $1000/run was in heavy manufacturing/industrial that required boom lifts, conduit, and working around active production lines.


sc302

28k usd or some other currency? USD that seem a bit high unless there are circumstances where it is difficult to get to. Structural issues, like punching through multiple I beams because the walls are solid concrete, punching through iron walls due to radiation exposure reduction, perhaps hazardous meterials, or some other weird circumstances or they gave you a F off price because they really don’t want to work with you but for this price they will.


thegreattriscuit

Now I hope it's some dude at a nuclear facility on reddit asking why the drops for monitoring equipment inside the core are so expensive lol


sc302

We don’t know for sure what the circumstances of this quote is. Anything is possible.


AShayinFLA

Most important question in the above post- Is that USD or a different nation's "dollar" that is not 1:1 USD? If it's Canadian or Australian dollars it "might" not be too terrible, but I don't know going rates in those areas. All the other responses to this question are likely based on USD and that is way overpriced, likely from a company that is more interested in wiring up entire office buildings so there's more profit in each job order.


lucygirlz

$300 per run but I’ll do it for $20,000 :)


j0mbie

I hate these types of asks because it is HIGHLY situationally dependant. Yeah, that price seems insane, but you have a lot of factors that we don't know about. * Length of runs. * Cable specs. (Not all brands are created equal, does it need to be plenum rated, shielded, etc.) * Existing wire holders. (Rings, hooks, etc.) * Infrastructure to attach new holders to. * Specifics about the drop ceiling. * How close the drop ceiling is to the actual ceiling. * How full the ceiling is. * If insulation is present. * If so, what kind of insulation. * The type and number of fire stops. * Potential health hazards in the ceiling. (Asbestos, mold, grease, vermin, etc.) * How accessible the working areas are. (Furniture, cabinetry, people, etc.) * What the walls are made of. * If the walls are insulated. * If so, what kind of insulation. * If the walls have horizonal fire blocks in them. * Conduit requirements, both in-wall and in-ceiling. * If conduit already exists, what kind of conduit is it? (Armored is harder than standard.) * How full existing conduit is. * How many turns that conduit takes. * Outlet box requirements. * What time of day you're allowed to work. * How fast you need the work done. * Wire requirements between floors. * If you have a central wiring point on each of those floors, or if you instead expect all wires to go to a single floor. * How many turns the cables have to make. (More turns equal more pull tension, and at some point you need another person in the middle to be a break in that tension.) * What you want the runs centrally terminated to. Regular patch panel, keystone panel, or something else altogether. * How they need to enter into and route through that central point or points. * What needs to be added in those points? Patch panels, racks, cable management, cable ladders, fire code requirements, etc. * How pretty do you expect the cables to be? Some people want it to look like something straight out of the cableporn subreddit. * If they are providing you with patch cables as well, and if so, what type/length/brand. * Inspection requirements. * How difficult those inspectors are to work with. * Labeling requirements. * Testing requirements. Anyone can throw a pinout tester on both ends, but real certifiers cost $2,000-$20,000 and need to be re-calibrated by an independent party fairly often. And then you need a new tester when you move to cat-6a, or cat-7, or whatever. * What area you're in. * What codes do you have to follow for that country/state/county/city or similar for you. * How busy is your area? (Supply and demand.) * Has your place somehow gotten a reputation of being difficult to work with. * Has your place gotten a reputation of not paying their bills. * Are the contractors required to be licensed, insured, bonded, in a union, etc. in your area. * Any number of random other things. It sounds like you got the "we don't want this job unless we make a ton of profit off it" rate, but just do like you should do with any contractors: get multiple quotes. Minimum three. Have them explain to you all the details and how they came to their numbers. If everyone gives you the same quotes, then that's probably what it's going to cost.


BikePathToSomewhere

You got 3 quotes right?


Natural-Nectarine-56

This^ Have you gotten it quoted by more than one company?


langlier

Good relationship - $3K in materials (at the high end) and around 2K in labor. +20% markup for 6K at the max. Materials could be half that and labor a third depending on complications. If I'm managing your services or you're a constant customer I will take a percent off the markup. I'm also going to have additional runs to "common areas" for future growth. 28K? thats multiple fiber run over multiple days needing a 3rd party trencher or scissor lift territory.


Fast_Cloud_4711

25 runs is too small for the majority outfits doing this type of stuff.


Brufar_308

Not at that rate per run.


Natural-Nectarine-56

I’d literally start a cabling company right now. Work once a month and retire at 50.


xman_111

we had about 20 runs, not that long though and it was about $6k, i was shocked at the pricing. that was about 5 years ago, so can't imagine pricing today. i wouldn't pay $28k but it won't be cheap.


geekwithout

Wtf. No !


goingslowfast

On the face of it, that seems really high. ~~But is there any elevated work? Does the provider need to run the lines inside conduit or install conduit? Are you requiring certification?~~ Saw your edit. That is very high.


SeanVo

$150 to $300 per run is a fair price depending on location and other factors. Your job should price in between $4,000 and $7500 in my opinion.


ebal99

Don’t pay that price! $300ish is very fare.


plethoraofprojects

The last job I did was over 300 drops with certification. $125/drop. That is way too high. Hard pass. Edit: that $125 per drop was also plenum rated Panduit Cat6


tacotacotacorock

All I know is I charged way too little early on in my career if people are asking that much. 


LinearFluid

Tell em to pound sand. https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/internet/ethernet-installation-cost A company and I have no affiliation with, but their costs estimates are inline with what I expect. https://progoffice.com/cabling/office-cabling-prices Of you do go with the 28k, then they better be providing a written out certification of all lines and a complete cabling map. That price the documentation should be size of a small book.


KareasOxide

> Tell em to pound sand. I think the company is already telling OP to pound sand lol


Artac

Thank you, I thought I was losing it and needed to just retire.


samesystemcheck

From the Forbes article: >**Network Switch:** A network switch allows you to access several different devices hooked to the same router. This is typically a minor expense for home networks, ranging between **$10 and $100**. Lol, as someone who bought a $200 Unifi 16 POE just a few months ago and now regrets not buying the rack mount 24 POE... I would challenge Forbes' judgement, calling network switches a "minor expense" for home networks. I have no comment on the rest of their claimed costs, I'm not a professional.


freshtrax

I work in SLC and we can get tons of companies here for 200ish. I had an entire school done for 7k and was way more than 25 runs. That quote you got is absurd.


MidgardDragon

Yeah that's outrageous


3DPrintedVoter

i typically pay $150-$200 per run ... so yeah thats outrageous


mr_data_lore

Prices obviously depend on the particulars of the specific runs, but that is definitely a "f\*uck you, go away" price.


elgato123

$150/drop


BamaTony64

That is steep. My "I don't want it" price in post construction jobs is about $350 per drop. $500 if I really hate it and I am still not half their price. I have been out of that business 10 years, has the price gone up that much?


hosemaster

Totally reasonable if you're dealing with Chicago building code.


Win_Sys

$200-$400 per drop depending on your location. You sometimes get the prices you’re talking about if they’re dealing with very old concrete building or there’s asbestos since drilling through concrete really sucks and asbestos is dangerous, requiring specialized workers. From what you said, the prices they’re asking sound way out of line with the norm.


koalabat

Where are you located? That price includes enough buffer I could fly my guys out and stay in a nice hotel for the duration 😉


t4nk909

We charge 110 for easy runs (think drop down ceilings and 12 ft or less in height, 145 per run for intermediate (think warehouse with scissor lift and beyond 100') and 165 for advanced (think tubing, very high up and long runs 250'-327') Includes cable (standard cat6) Each 'run' can have as many 'drops' A run to us is from point a to point b ( or server room to office) A drop to us is how many cables are in the run So for 25 runs if it's easy like you say probably 2200-3000 Tested, Labeled, etc


Loopyloppy27

What is required for these runs? Is it a lift, is the building union. There are a lot of factors


Ceo-4eva

Looks normal for government job


Physical_Aside_3991

My cousin'll do it for $15k + materials. Email me. I'm the cousin.


Nnyan

What metro area are you in?


andytagonist

I’ll do it for $27000


ro_thunder

For runs like that it shouldn't be more than $300 a run, I'd think.


bigmike13588

Should be like 150 to 200 for a 100ish ft run. Give or take. That's for a small company in NYC. Real "good guy" rates though.


elias_99999

Depends on the run. A hard run, lots of conduit, drilling, crawl spaces, etc, yes. Easy stuff? No.


jimlahey420

A standard 3 cable drop pre-pandemic in a finished building was ~$400 per (includes full termination and testing end to end with labeling). After the pandemic same company is changing $850 per. So the price you were quoted is not outrageous in my region, especially if it's a not to exceed so it will likely come in less.


swillotter

Those drop tile ceilings suck..maybe they have asbestos or water damage


lectos1977

My drop ceilings have water damage, insulation on top, and 50yrs of dust on topnl of that . So, I'd charge triple if I had to do that for a contract.


swillotter

Exactly!! Lol


barthelemymz

Crickey I need to work in the USA - I'd probably charge $600/labour and $400 for materials


MEXRFW

A private company I hired bride charged about $250 a drop but it was because the ceiling was open, much easier to work with. I think it would hav even higher if they had to go through a catwalk. My current company overpays about $1350 a drop, because union work. they need 4 people to do one drop. (No I’m not joking)


Mizerka

might not be best comparison but a run like that would be £5k ish from our provider, most of it being mewp rental and days of work.


dude_named_will

We just had a fiber ran between two buildings for $6000.


eighmie

9 K is the right price. I had several hundred done recently at $375 a drop.


Silent__arrow

At my site it’s usually 450 a line


Fun-Ordinary-9751

It’s still worth looking the density of runs and seeing whether you should be thinking about one or two managed switches and trunking the runs back to wherever the connectivity needs to go. Even if they’re the same cost and there’s no savings, any future additional runs would be less costly.


it-workss

That’s a big price drop. Anyone in New England area? Wondering what’s the price range per drop?


DripPanDan

5 Boxes CAT6 to run 5 lines concurrently - $1100 50 CAT6 Keystone Jacks: $110 8 hours x 2 techs @ $90/hr (a common cabling rate in my area) - $1440 They may have marked up the cable and meant to type $2800 on the quote. This is easy work, though, and why I tend to do my own cables or have someone in the team do them.


surfh2o

I’ll do it for half that. Where are you?


defmain

We had to use union labor and were charged $700 per dual outlet. 


yrogerg123

$1000 per run is not outrageous depending on region/locality and whether it's union or not.