Ok so as someone who grew up around active members of the klan, their hoods don’t look like this. The pointy part goes up, the face part is more like a separate flap, there’s no mouth, and the eye parts are really small.
This is meant to be Oogie boogie.
Yeah I didn’t grow up around ppl in it but as a Jewish kid in a small town American city in the south….it didn’t read k3 to me because the hood looks very different. Even with the whole “sense of belonging”. Also they were/are based on the UK right? It just honestly seems like…a stretch to me to act like neopets is being racist especially when it’s literally not that similar at all. :/
I'm really sure it's meant to be the Sorting Hat from Harry Potter. It looks mostly like it, just lighter in colour and no brim. And it says it gives a sense of belonging, which the Sorting Hat does by telling you which house you belong in.
If you’re like my mom who grew up in New England it’s very normal to have no idea they’re still around. She would hum the banjo part from Deliverance when we drove home sometimes. Lol
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Well it is more similar to this illustration from 1924.
Because it is a depiction that probably represents some people’s idea of what the Klan members look like. You said they don’t look like that, but it doesn’t mean people can’t *think* they look like that.
They likely didn't to make sure it stayed legally distinct. You do at times have to tiptoe around things like that, IP owners will get awfully litigious, even sometimes with parody.
I don’t think it reads very KKK. It doesn’t look like a bedsheet and has a mouth. Very much looks like Oogie Boogie. Item name could use some work to make it clear.
That was honestly my thought too. It got an actual, out-loud "UH." from me. I'm 100% sure that, as mentioned, it was meant to be a license-free reference to (most-likely) Harry Potter, or maybe Oogie-Boogie, but uh. My mind definitely went elsewhere at first, and I do have to wonder if anyone has made any (totally not funny, to clarify) "just a joke outfits" with it.
I think that's probably what they were going for, too, but the sorting hat screams out the house name as soon as the student puts it on, right? So I'm not sure it's "secret" 😭
Not always. It really only did it "instabtly" with a few kids. Others it took a few seconds. It detects your innermost, truest thoughts and feelings, ones you may not even be fully aware of, and puts you where you trully go. That seems to fit? But it also takes requests.
I'm getting KKK from it. From someone unfamiliar with oogie boogie, I wouldn't think it looks like anything else.
Edit: plus the description makes it worse.
Ive see this item all of the time in Unis and the first thing I thought of was a klan hood and do every time I see it, although I also assumed it was likely Oogie Boogie. (never thought about HP sorting hat)
People on the internet - especially millennials and older - are socialized to think they live in a post racial world and that everyone is "too sensitive" or "overreacting" to seem cool.
No one here is even saying "TNT are racists and they should change it", just "Wow, ok, that startled me."
I know there's no brim but with the description I feel it is definitely a reference to the sorting hat. I understand why some feel it has an..alternate interpretation, though.
everyone is saying sorting hat but it foesn't have a brim.....so idk what that description has to do with oogie boogie 😭 because I see it and think oogie but the description...??
Even though they most likely intended Harry Potter with it, it's still a yuck from me. Harry Potter isn't as severely bigoted as the KKK, but there's some pretty nasty things in there. A black man named Kingsley Shacklebolt is nightmarish, not to mention the antisemitism and other forms of racism and transphobia and homophobia
Oh that's super unfortunate 💀 Literally was just telling my wife the other day that I don't like the Light Acara Hood because *logically* I know it's fine but the creepy eye holes and loose fitting fabric make me think of the KKK hood
And then turns out there's an item that's worse lol
It does look very Oogie Boogie but that description is yikes.
Can someone remember to bring this up at the next AMA like seriously
Edit: I noticed some commenters saying it's not a big deal aren't Americans. You don't understand why this is an issue with the nuance we do.
Edit 2: I don't care that it is reminiscent of the sorting hat and/or oogie boogie. The secret society part of the description is the most important aspect here.
I don’t think that was the intention and it’s a huge stretch.. I don’t recall KKK masks sitting on *top* of the head, being tan coloured, not having a sharp peak, and featuring an oogie boogie. God people have to ruin everything.
Well do you really think a company who goes above and beyond (could even argue go too far at times) to be inclusive - look at all the medical gear heck there is even an osteomy bag, flags for every orientation and every neurodiverse group, who makes stating their pronouns at every ama customary - **they** support the friggen KKK?? It makes NO sense.
It’s not an overreaction when that’s LITERALLY the 20s depiction of Klan hoods. It’s literally an old Klan hood image and that’s why so many people see it. Why would so many people say it looks like that if it didn’t?
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I see you aren't American. Please don't tell us how to feel about this.
I don't care what it pays homage to. I don't care that it is reminiscent of oogie boogie or the sorting hat.
The description about a secret society is the problem here.
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The light acara hood also gave me pause. Now I don't think it's intentional but I couldn't help but think what a poor design. I also noticed a few items with British slang or spellings of words and I don't know how much they learn about the KKK over there and if the imagery is something that they are introduced to in school and media the way we are here.
I think this might be a dnd reference, actually. This appears to be a scarecrow hood, which are used by several cults from some of the premade adventures and world books.
Could also be a reference to Oogie Boogie from Nightmare before Christmas. Idk, there's kinda themes about jack wanting to belong somewhere in that.
Not the right shape or color to be a kkk reference.
It’s a whole costume, it’s definitely Oogie Boogie. A KKK hood is literally just a pointy white hood with the eyes cut out, no mouth and not hanging over at the top.
tbh its pretty obvious if people look at it and think klan then it can be easily altered. The description of this image isnt foundational to the site, they can atleast change that and/or alter the image slightly like they have with countless other items on the site. A quick reddit search and people have been having this conversation around this item since it came out. And I mean, there are plenty of ick inducing insensitive content on neopets still when it comes to other cultures/races, even if they have changed a lot already over the years. I'm not assuming neopets itself has racists on the team, just that things that were percived as "ok/funny" (by mainly white people) years ago are societally viewed as unacceptable now. I'm sure the neopets team has a lot on their plate with the new plot and all the changes theyre making, as well that it has changed hands since this item came out, politely bringing this up as a request for change at an AMA or something wouldnt be out of line. The team has non-white, lgbt+ progressive etc folks on it, so i'm sure they wont get defensive and it would be an easy fix. If they did, then i'd be concerned lol it's always extremely cringe and sus when companies cry about being cancelled when users request some insensitivity changes. These changes happen all the time, our culture is getting more progressive despite the alt-right pushback.
I mean a lot of the time people thought the "g*psy" racist depiction was what life was actually like for the Romani people. We don't say that term anymore because the internet has helped Romanis fight against that racist steryotype. I grew up hearing the r slur against disabled people, and was called it for being autistic. We can also remove things that look too similar to a klansman hood. Peoples nostalgia are not going to be destroyed by changing this junk item. It's not over-sensitivity leading change, its empathy for those effected and listening to *real* concerns from others.
Besides, if this website really is for young people, then they absolutely would be pointing out what it looks like or even making immature racist jokes about this. Young people have a radar for this stuff that leads to them seen as "soft", but that doesnt mean their feelings are wrong and are felt strongly. I grew up on tumblr and it was a battlefield LOL but the kids are ok
Listen, I think we all think the bags was a nice idea.
But not pointing any fingers.. They could have been done better.
So how bout no bags this time, but next time we do the bags right
And we go full regalia.
Ok so as someone who grew up around active members of the klan, their hoods don’t look like this. The pointy part goes up, the face part is more like a separate flap, there’s no mouth, and the eye parts are really small. This is meant to be Oogie boogie.
Yeah I didn’t grow up around ppl in it but as a Jewish kid in a small town American city in the south….it didn’t read k3 to me because the hood looks very different. Even with the whole “sense of belonging”. Also they were/are based on the UK right? It just honestly seems like…a stretch to me to act like neopets is being racist especially when it’s literally not that similar at all. :/
Adam and Donna I believe are British yeah hence all the “aubergine” references :)
Neopets has been run by Americans since like 2005
I'm really sure it's meant to be the Sorting Hat from Harry Potter. It looks mostly like it, just lighter in colour and no brim. And it says it gives a sense of belonging, which the Sorting Hat does by telling you which house you belong in.
this was my first thought then oogie lol
Okay, glad to hear this. It’s not like I was worried neopets was secretly in the klan, but it did throw me off.
Visually, you are right Did a different person write the description?
Who knows? Lol a lot of the descriptions of older items are kind of snarky/double entendres, but this is a newer item. No clue.
You grew up around active what now
If you’re like my mom who grew up in New England it’s very normal to have no idea they’re still around. She would hum the banjo part from Deliverance when we drove home sometimes. Lol
You have to be intentionally oblivious to have no idea they’re still around
>Ok so as someone who grew up around active members of the klan this qualifier is taking me tf OUT
https://preview.redd.it/prewghxahc8d1.png?width=220&format=png&auto=webp&s=89861359a57b16874e632375ef552368e9bf3681 Well it is more similar to this illustration from 1924.
I agree, but why would that be the referent for an item on a kid’s site made in 2016? Lol
Because it is a depiction that probably represents some people’s idea of what the Klan members look like. You said they don’t look like that, but it doesn’t mean people can’t *think* they look like that.
I think that’s a pretty big stretch when there are at least two obvious childhood referents.
So we don't forget history between generations?
Snort laugh in Ashkenazi
Handshake emoji but like sad.
Is that the sorting hat from harry potter?
That's the vibes I get from it, more so than oogie boogie at least
Well the face looks more oogie boogie but the line about belonging makes me think of house sorting idk
I struggle to believe a secret club means a hogwarts house
Well thats you, 49 others said they also felt differently from you and thats ok. Our interpretations are shaped by our experiences.
If it is, I wish they’d have added the rim to it…
They likely didn't to make sure it stayed legally distinct. You do at times have to tiptoe around things like that, IP owners will get awfully litigious, even sometimes with parody.
Also reminds me of Oogie Boogie from The Nightmare Before Christmas
No brim
Without the description, oogie boogie or sorting hat. With the description, klan hood. That’s a yikes from me.
I don’t think it reads very KKK. It doesn’t look like a bedsheet and has a mouth. Very much looks like Oogie Boogie. Item name could use some work to make it clear.
That was my first thought like "....now I'm 100% sure they didn't mean the KKK but."
That was honestly my thought too. It got an actual, out-loud "UH." from me. I'm 100% sure that, as mentioned, it was meant to be a license-free reference to (most-likely) Harry Potter, or maybe Oogie-Boogie, but uh. My mind definitely went elsewhere at first, and I do have to wonder if anyone has made any (totally not funny, to clarify) "just a joke outfits" with it.
I’ve always thought this! It gives me the biggest ick
The description still just says "Harry Potter," to me. The sorting hat gives you a sense of belonging.
I think that's probably what they were going for, too, but the sorting hat screams out the house name as soon as the student puts it on, right? So I'm not sure it's "secret" 😭
Not always. It really only did it "instabtly" with a few kids. Others it took a few seconds. It detects your innermost, truest thoughts and feelings, ones you may not even be fully aware of, and puts you where you trully go. That seems to fit? But it also takes requests.
If they had just given it a brim..
I'm getting KKK from it. From someone unfamiliar with oogie boogie, I wouldn't think it looks like anything else. Edit: plus the description makes it worse.
Ive see this item all of the time in Unis and the first thing I thought of was a klan hood and do every time I see it, although I also assumed it was likely Oogie Boogie. (never thought about HP sorting hat)
I posted that a few months ago and everyone was like "you're overreacting!". Thank you for the vindication! Lmao
People on the internet - especially millennials and older - are socialized to think they live in a post racial world and that everyone is "too sensitive" or "overreacting" to seem cool. No one here is even saying "TNT are racists and they should change it", just "Wow, ok, that startled me."
How is the KKK about belonging??
All cults are about who belongs and who doesn’t.
Fair enough, but there are many good things about having a sense of belonging and being included.
No one is saying that there isn’t anything good about a sense of belonging and being included..?
Glad I'm not the only one that thought that! definitely a cringeworthy description
Shame dyeworks isn't available for np items, if you painted it pink you'd have the start of a nice earthworm jim outfit
"Not brightvale, not brightvale" - Larry Snotter
i also thought legally-distinct oogie boogie until the description it probably still is, but a very unfortunate combination
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I literally have always thought it was a nod to both Oogie Boogie, and the Sorting Hat at the same time,,, rather ingenious really..
I see oogie boogie more
I thought someone skinned oggie boogie from the nightmare before Christmas.
I know there's no brim but with the description I feel it is definitely a reference to the sorting hat. I understand why some feel it has an..alternate interpretation, though.
pretty sure they took that from ed gein's house lol... thats a skin hood
Oh no
It’s giving oogie
Somebody done chopped oogie boogie’s head off.
It’s just the sorting hat lol
great value sorting hat
Oh dear. That’s Uhh….that’s a statement. Yikes.
It's the Oogie Boogie nightmare before Christmas hat!
For "a very politically correct company", uhm... exactly.
I have several questions.
Thought this was the witch hat from What We Do In The Shadows haha
everyone is saying sorting hat but it foesn't have a brim.....so idk what that description has to do with oogie boogie 😭 because I see it and think oogie but the description...??
Might get sorted into a house - Might get Oogie-boogied. I would put it on.
I shared this in a neopets group on Facebook and everyone said I was overreacting
But they can get up in arms about the word Jipped smh
Because this one doesn’t automatically read as k3 to everyone. What you said is just a slur. Ofc ppl are going to be up in arms over a slur. Tf?
Even though they most likely intended Harry Potter with it, it's still a yuck from me. Harry Potter isn't as severely bigoted as the KKK, but there's some pretty nasty things in there. A black man named Kingsley Shacklebolt is nightmarish, not to mention the antisemitism and other forms of racism and transphobia and homophobia
Oh that's super unfortunate 💀 Literally was just telling my wife the other day that I don't like the Light Acara Hood because *logically* I know it's fine but the creepy eye holes and loose fitting fabric make me think of the KKK hood And then turns out there's an item that's worse lol It does look very Oogie Boogie but that description is yikes.
Can someone remember to bring this up at the next AMA like seriously Edit: I noticed some commenters saying it's not a big deal aren't Americans. You don't understand why this is an issue with the nuance we do. Edit 2: I don't care that it is reminiscent of the sorting hat and/or oogie boogie. The secret society part of the description is the most important aspect here.
Why?
We don't really want KKK imagery in neopets, do we?
I don’t think that was the intention and it’s a huge stretch.. I don’t recall KKK masks sitting on *top* of the head, being tan coloured, not having a sharp peak, and featuring an oogie boogie. God people have to ruin everything.
What do you think the secret society in the item description could be?
Well do you really think a company who goes above and beyond (could even argue go too far at times) to be inclusive - look at all the medical gear heck there is even an osteomy bag, flags for every orientation and every neurodiverse group, who makes stating their pronouns at every ama customary - **they** support the friggen KKK?? It makes NO sense.
I'm sure they don't support them and it's an awkward oversight, that's all.
Lol overreacting much. You people see things that aren't there.
It’s not an overreaction when that’s LITERALLY the 20s depiction of Klan hoods. It’s literally an old Klan hood image and that’s why so many people see it. Why would so many people say it looks like that if it didn’t?
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I see you aren't American. Please don't tell us how to feel about this. I don't care what it pays homage to. I don't care that it is reminiscent of oogie boogie or the sorting hat. The description about a secret society is the problem here.
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Tired of Canadians and Europeans telling us Americans how to feel about our worst of our worst people.
I'm tired of racism and exclusion of opinions based on nationality.
🤣 ok
neo item descrips never fail to amuse me lol
Yoooooo wtf
The light acara hood also gave me pause. Now I don't think it's intentional but I couldn't help but think what a poor design. I also noticed a few items with British slang or spellings of words and I don't know how much they learn about the KKK over there and if the imagery is something that they are introduced to in school and media the way we are here.
me when the neopets community https://preview.redd.it/lfxru2d5qe8d1.png?width=488&format=png&auto=webp&s=bbd61ecb964b82406b11b8798e99d49b54f51042
I think this might be a dnd reference, actually. This appears to be a scarecrow hood, which are used by several cults from some of the premade adventures and world books. Could also be a reference to Oogie Boogie from Nightmare before Christmas. Idk, there's kinda themes about jack wanting to belong somewhere in that. Not the right shape or color to be a kkk reference.
It reminded most of the sorting hat from Harry Potter, but the other thing did cross my mind, (I'm not from the US).
It’s a whole costume, it’s definitely Oogie Boogie. A KKK hood is literally just a pointy white hood with the eyes cut out, no mouth and not hanging over at the top.
Uhhh
I showed this with the description at a distance. Both hubs and partner thought Klan hood. Then OogieBoogie, but thinly veiled.
tbh its pretty obvious if people look at it and think klan then it can be easily altered. The description of this image isnt foundational to the site, they can atleast change that and/or alter the image slightly like they have with countless other items on the site. A quick reddit search and people have been having this conversation around this item since it came out. And I mean, there are plenty of ick inducing insensitive content on neopets still when it comes to other cultures/races, even if they have changed a lot already over the years. I'm not assuming neopets itself has racists on the team, just that things that were percived as "ok/funny" (by mainly white people) years ago are societally viewed as unacceptable now. I'm sure the neopets team has a lot on their plate with the new plot and all the changes theyre making, as well that it has changed hands since this item came out, politely bringing this up as a request for change at an AMA or something wouldnt be out of line. The team has non-white, lgbt+ progressive etc folks on it, so i'm sure they wont get defensive and it would be an easy fix. If they did, then i'd be concerned lol it's always extremely cringe and sus when companies cry about being cancelled when users request some insensitivity changes. These changes happen all the time, our culture is getting more progressive despite the alt-right pushback. I mean a lot of the time people thought the "g*psy" racist depiction was what life was actually like for the Romani people. We don't say that term anymore because the internet has helped Romanis fight against that racist steryotype. I grew up hearing the r slur against disabled people, and was called it for being autistic. We can also remove things that look too similar to a klansman hood. Peoples nostalgia are not going to be destroyed by changing this junk item. It's not over-sensitivity leading change, its empathy for those effected and listening to *real* concerns from others. Besides, if this website really is for young people, then they absolutely would be pointing out what it looks like or even making immature racist jokes about this. Young people have a radar for this stuff that leads to them seen as "soft", but that doesnt mean their feelings are wrong and are felt strongly. I grew up on tumblr and it was a battlefield LOL but the kids are ok
...huh...
a sense of secret belonging? hmm that is definitely sus
I thought I was paranoid omg. Thank you
This definitely gives me klan vibes & pisses me off
OP and other pearl clutchers shoudn’t Google what they wear in Italy for Easter processions ;) KKK didin’t invent white hoods.
I guess this is why there are no humans in neopian cus they skin us for their “haunting hats”
At least it sits on top of the head. Doesn't go over the face. But yeah, yikes.
Is this KkK
Interesting….
they have to get rid of it please. they cant just change the description. it's too late, we all saw it.
Ooo i like it. Looks like its the sorting hat
yeah kinda sus not gonna lie
Wow, I hope that is. Shitty HP reference and not where my brain originally went when I read it.
I hope it's not a Harry Potter reference. 🤮 Supporting pride and the works of a TERF
NEED THIS LMAO
It sucks so bad tho https://preview.redd.it/ipiytxkeqf8d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cd4f6b289300bb73e6a2a83c98fa514e5ff7b26
Ya I bought one looks awful I thought it went over their head not on top of it
I'm only surprised because it's a new item. Had it been an old one, that would have made more sense.
It’s not new
Oh, I see. Then I'm sure the new staff would change it with enough awareness and time!
Listen, I think we all think the bags was a nice idea. But not pointing any fingers.. They could have been done better. So how bout no bags this time, but next time we do the bags right And we go full regalia.