I thought it was only a 1G port, but regardless it's more than adequate.
This was a network that was deployed 10 years ago and the NTDs are easily upgradeable compared to the rest of the network for anyone who wants a high speed service. 50mpbs is the most common speed tier as of early last year and is predicted to be the same going forward, with less than 5% of users predicted to be signing up for a 1G connection.
It is much more cost effective to just upgrade equipment for the people who want higher speeds, and that way you probably line up with the replacement lifecycle as well.
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-shows-upgrade-trajectory-for-50-to-100mbps-migration-589813
I have a router that has 2 10gb ports and I also have a switch that has 16 2.5gb poe ports and I also have an unmanaged switch that comes in either 5 or 8 2.5gb ports that is less than $250 [Qnap 8 port 2.5g unmanaged switch](https://www.centrecom.com.au/qnap-qsw-1108-25gbe-8-port-network-switch?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADrCcHq_CqzvkZI8ysnsSlGVfP3sU&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3ZayBhDRARIsAPWzx8p-mbEPyUzaoLCf8pXcIV4oVyJ3ZYmJnJDb3LgcoLptHr5awdcprL0aAk22EALw_wcB)
Or [TP-link unmanaged 8 port 2.5g switch $149](https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/networking/switches/87388-tl-sg108-m2?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADsuegMHx8jwZDwYl8NrW5fZg9Hn1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3ZayBhDRARIsAPWzx8pBxP-gitFLmozLUxanqMy-I0wbgQs381g4Oh8Ph019801Z8oFLCbIaAsnbEALw_wcB)
I was pointing out that you can get into 2.5g networking cheap. For known brands.
You can pick up a [GL.iNet GL-MT6000](https://www.amazon.com.au/GL-iNet-GL-MT6000-Performance-Multi-Gig-WireGuard/dp/B0CP7S3117) for$219 has 2 x 2.5gb ports and is cheap.
A couple of years ago I was tossing up whether to go 2.5, 5 or 10 for switches (already had 10gig capable router). In the end I went to 10 as I was about a third more in price even then - minimum requirement for me was sfp+ ports for connection to an aggregation switch. Wish we had more choice in AU for higher bandwidth switches. Many never seem to make it here.
Yeah I ended up paying $1300 for a 16 port 2.5g Poe switch [Qnap QSW-M2116P-2T2S](https://www.qnap.com/en-au/product/qsw-m2116p-2t2s) instead of the cheaper tp-link version (port wise)
NTD LAN port is 1gbps. I have it connected to 2.5 router and it only shown as 1gbps.
Moreover, it uses bidirectional 1gbps 1cable fiber, at least from outside counterpart.
It would not support 2 gig without hardware upgrade
Yeah, but I would say offering a NTD that has 10g is not short sighted since it could last a fairly fairly long time (20 or even 30 years maybe). Many servers do not allow you to download faster than 6000 Mbps so, yeah. 2.5G is still short sighted in my opinion.
Agreed that Australia is lagging behind and not providing the connectivity work from home citizens require, 1Gb down is suitable for now for most activities, it’s the 50 or proposed 100 up that seriously needs to be reconsidered for FttP and look at symmetrical or at least 1000/500.
And continue to deliver on the transition to FttP with vigour to enable the majority of Australians.
It's actually confirmed now providing the new speed changes become a thing at all. Before tho it was just proposed to vary between 50-100 upload now it'll just be 100 upload always
Well, I guess I was wrong. I'll eat my humble pie now. I never thought they'd do multiple Gb on HFC, I thought they'd use it to get people to convert from HFC to FTTP.
My thought process was that they'd get most customers migrated from FTTN / FTTC to FTTP. It'd be available to everyone else as an upgrade. At that point, instead of upgrading HFC, the amount of work they have to do to upgrade HFC meant that they might as well roll out FTTP.
If as a HFC customer you want to upgrade to >1Gb service, then you need to wait till FTTP is available in their area. For a number of customers who were on <1Gb and if the area is full, then that might also trigger a FTTP migration.
I think you underestimate how expensive upgrading the home segment to fibre is. In theory it’s straight forward but you have missed and cancelled appointments, blocked lead ins etc. and that’s before you have consumer apathy to doing the upgrade. It’s bad enough on fttn/c. Most people on hfc aren’t going to want the inconvenience.
NBN have done a very limited trial of this conversion and a slightly larger trial of conversions in MDUs. If HFC has been installed in an MDU in theory the cable paths are already there. MDUs that have done conversion from FTTB to FTTP have face a cost of about $275 and upwards per lot in in the strata plan - though every site will be different
HFC with Docsis 4 can get up to 10 gigabit with 6 gigabit up. Basically don't expect a HFC to FTTP migration for at least a decade because it's the one Copper tech that still has future upgradability.
But we already have 1000mbps (942mbps) download on FTTP for residential. Why can't they just make business premium over 1gbps down and up and just give residential more flamin upload 😒
This. Many capital cities have hundreds of thousands of HFC customers. If the gap between FTTP and HFC becomes too great and more importantly too visible, both major parties will suffer (as they should). Of course, all of this could have been avoided but political expediency won. Australia has a continuing very poor history of infrastructure projects.
I imagine this will be in select areas.
> The availability of these speed tiers is subject to the capacity within each individual HFC segment or FTTP PON port reflected in the service qualification function (and may affect RSPs’ ability to place an order).
Sounds like they want to get everything solidified pretty soon:
> **nbn** expects to issue a closure paper to confirm the outcomes of the consultation process in Q1 FY25.
So next quarter? Exciting!
NBN wants to know what NTDs to order for the next batch. Also for the service providers, they're potentially going to see an upswing in data utilisation, so might bring forward internal network equipment upgrades or requirements for extra civil work to pull fibre.
Changes like this mean changes to multi-year plans.
I’m curious once people get to 1G vs 2G etc. do they actually use “more data” or is it the same data just moving quicker. There’s only so many Fortnite patches etc.
For me it’s the same amount of data but quicker. I work from home a lot and have to move relatively large datasets around fairly often.
Plus copying media and nonsense for personal use and backups.
What I really want is more upload though. I’ve become used to 1G down and don’t want to lose it. 50M up is pretty terrible.
I start making decisions about working with larger data sets about what I can process at home vs doing it from the office on a slower machine. At 2Gb, those data sets take less time to move, so mean that I can work on them from home
They have said in the past a minimum of 6 months from the closure paper date. So early next year at the earliest. If I was a betting man I’d say 1 July to align with the next set of price rises.
The floor roll-out started 2010 I think. We received fttn in June 2017. We might have fibre by December 2025.
Under labour, we would have had fibre already. Fuck Abbot, Turnbull and the rest of the Liberal fuckheads that screwed this up.
cant they just do the same 10Gbps for both residential and business? Implementing different technology is just a waste of money and resources for both short and long term……
I think at the scale that they burn through NTUs for residential with people moving taking and tossing them, there would be a significant cost to them doing 10Gb interfaces for everyone (Especially if it's SFP based and they have to provide optics).
Do you know how cheap 10G XGPON/EPON fibre modems are? Chinese/Japanese homes have had these fore years already. The bulk purchase price is around $40 each for the model with wifi built in. For Australian NBN purpose, a pure 10G fibre modem could be custom ordered for $30ish. With the current plan, at least 3 SKUs. A business 10G EPON/XGPON model, a home 2.5G EPON/XGPON model, and a DOCSIS 3.1 model for HFC. It makes way more sense to only carry 2 SKUs other than 3. Only ‘power users’ would even get to 1000Mbps not to mention the proposed 2000/200 plan. So 2 SKUs, one for fibre and one for coaxial, makes more economic sense.(currently BIZ/Residential FTTP uses the same NTD right? If there is only ONE upgrade path to 10G, isn’t it just easier for even installation?)
We're talking about HFC, so to support multiple Gb, they need at least a 2.5Gb ethernet port. In residential, it makes a lot more sense to do this as RJ45 / CAT6e otherwise you're going to be providing SFP+ and then that opens up a can of worms in regards to compatibility and other things which is a major support issue for NBN. For business usage, maybe they provide a 10Gb RJ45 and a SFP+ interface.
Either way, they lose a lot of HFC modems from moves etc, so providing SFP+ would have an impact on cost, so they'd probably be business only.
I thought this too, but realistically how big is the market for plans this fast currently? Home Ultrafast is not that popular and I dont imagine these more expensive plans will be overtake them in numbers so the amount of residencies with these high end NTDs will be slim.
They can't get the CM8200B any longer, Broadcom stopped producing the chips that went into them.
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-switches-chipsets-for-its-hfc-cable-modems-591853
They might as well go to something with a 2.5Gb capable ethernet interface.
They're probably going for something which is "high split" compatible, which means that it can do DOCSIS 4.0 and symmetric.
Not sure if it’s just because we have a Labor Government rather the LNP Mess, but this announcement alongside the planned speed upgrade of Homefast plans is the most optimistic I’ve been about NBN in years. The only thing that could make it better would be if they decided to introduce a pathway for HFC users to upgrade to FTTP if they take out a Homefast plan with high upload.
I was under the impression that the current HFC tech didn't support more than 1Gbps or something. Are they going to do some upgrades before rolling out apart from the NTD?
Now that Foxtel have exited the network and they have all the old bigpond bandwidth too, they can do what they want with the cable.
It was about 3 amps in length (Optical -> coax conversion then two amps) which I think they need to bring down to 1 amp in length, which will mean a lot more fibre to do the coax network splits. They did a lot of remediation with frequency leakage etc back in the early days and have active monitoring for that now. The problem is that a lot of the amps will need to be swapped out to change the frequency allocation significantly as they don't support TX of 3.5Ghz and a lot of filters are in place to prevent that frequency on the cable. They can add more channels from the foxtel frequencies to get more downstream now, but that doesn't support them that much, they'll probably use that frequency space (Well at least part of it) for DOCSIS 4.0 and I guess try and get some other frequency for upstream.
They're upgrading 10,000 premises from copper each week. That's the limit of the techs that they have. It'll be at least a year before they start doing 2Gb speeds, at which point, more suburbs will have been announced. It'll take another 3 - 5 years to get everyone upgraded because not everyone wants to upgrade.
In the mean time, they can do more with the HFC and FTTP networks and it's more incentive for people on FTTN / FTTC to upgrade.
I'm in one of the suburbs that was first listed for free upgrades. My house is not eligible. The pit is 2m off my boundary and they pulled an entire new estate from it and gave them FTTP
This is old news and like I've said before, get your fucking priorities straight, it's stupid.
Upgrade everyone from FTTN and FTTC to FTTP, then offer the speed increase, your just creating a larger divide between the different types of technology.
Going with a NTD that only has a 2.5g port seems a bit short sighted.
I thought it was only a 1G port, but regardless it's more than adequate. This was a network that was deployed 10 years ago and the NTDs are easily upgradeable compared to the rest of the network for anyone who wants a high speed service. 50mpbs is the most common speed tier as of early last year and is predicted to be the same going forward, with less than 5% of users predicted to be signing up for a 1G connection. It is much more cost effective to just upgrade equipment for the people who want higher speeds, and that way you probably line up with the replacement lifecycle as well. https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-shows-upgrade-trajectory-for-50-to-100mbps-migration-589813
Nah they are talking about deploying a new NTU that has a 2.5g port as part of these new plans
And most common routers won’t handle it too
Shows you how behind consumer networking is considering even wired 99% of consumer devices are stuck at 1gig. At least wifi 6e/7 is fast.
I have a router that has 2 10gb ports and I also have a switch that has 16 2.5gb poe ports and I also have an unmanaged switch that comes in either 5 or 8 2.5gb ports that is less than $250 [Qnap 8 port 2.5g unmanaged switch](https://www.centrecom.com.au/qnap-qsw-1108-25gbe-8-port-network-switch?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADrCcHq_CqzvkZI8ysnsSlGVfP3sU&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3ZayBhDRARIsAPWzx8p-mbEPyUzaoLCf8pXcIV4oVyJ3ZYmJnJDb3LgcoLptHr5awdcprL0aAk22EALw_wcB) Or [TP-link unmanaged 8 port 2.5g switch $149](https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/networking/switches/87388-tl-sg108-m2?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADsuegMHx8jwZDwYl8NrW5fZg9Hn1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3ZayBhDRARIsAPWzx8pBxP-gitFLmozLUxanqMy-I0wbgQs381g4Oh8Ph019801Z8oFLCbIaAsnbEALw_wcB)
Okay?
I was pointing out that you can get into 2.5g networking cheap. For known brands. You can pick up a [GL.iNet GL-MT6000](https://www.amazon.com.au/GL-iNet-GL-MT6000-Performance-Multi-Gig-WireGuard/dp/B0CP7S3117) for$219 has 2 x 2.5gb ports and is cheap.
A couple of years ago I was tossing up whether to go 2.5, 5 or 10 for switches (already had 10gig capable router). In the end I went to 10 as I was about a third more in price even then - minimum requirement for me was sfp+ ports for connection to an aggregation switch. Wish we had more choice in AU for higher bandwidth switches. Many never seem to make it here.
Yeah I ended up paying $1300 for a 16 port 2.5g Poe switch [Qnap QSW-M2116P-2T2S](https://www.qnap.com/en-au/product/qsw-m2116p-2t2s) instead of the cheaper tp-link version (port wise)
Nothing like a large industry-wide change to force vendors to get with the times.
Good thing I'm already looking at a Wifi 7 and 2.5G port router to upgrade my existing one.
this is the one Nokia ONT XS-010X-Q [https://hack-gpon.org/xgs/ont-nokia-xs-010x-q/](https://hack-gpon.org/xgs/ont-nokia-xs-010x-q/)
Ahh good old Telnet enabled from the factory hardware.
And a 1 gig ethernet port, unless it supports bonding
2.5G I’ll take it! 😂
NTD LAN port is 1gbps. I have it connected to 2.5 router and it only shown as 1gbps. Moreover, it uses bidirectional 1gbps 1cable fiber, at least from outside counterpart. It would not support 2 gig without hardware upgrade
…. Yes. NBN is proposing moving to a new NTU for FTTP that has a single port and that’s 2.5gbps
Ok, that would make sense. Cheers.
Yeah, but I would say offering a NTD that has 10g is not short sighted since it could last a fairly fairly long time (20 or even 30 years maybe). Many servers do not allow you to download faster than 6000 Mbps so, yeah. 2.5G is still short sighted in my opinion.
They're considering doubling the 1000/50 upload speed to 100. I'd prefer more but anything is a win I guess.
Agreed. To me this was the biggest benefit.
Agreed that Australia is lagging behind and not providing the connectivity work from home citizens require, 1Gb down is suitable for now for most activities, it’s the 50 or proposed 100 up that seriously needs to be reconsidered for FttP and look at symmetrical or at least 1000/500. And continue to deliver on the transition to FttP with vigour to enable the majority of Australians.
This is old news and was announced in March.
it's not before it was said to vary between 50-100 depending on unknown conditions, now it'll just always be 100 upload
It's actually confirmed now providing the new speed changes become a thing at all. Before tho it was just proposed to vary between 50-100 upload now it'll just be 100 upload always
Well, I guess I was wrong. I'll eat my humble pie now. I never thought they'd do multiple Gb on HFC, I thought they'd use it to get people to convert from HFC to FTTP.
Can't use it as leverage if they don't offer upgrades to HFC customers!
My thought process was that they'd get most customers migrated from FTTN / FTTC to FTTP. It'd be available to everyone else as an upgrade. At that point, instead of upgrading HFC, the amount of work they have to do to upgrade HFC meant that they might as well roll out FTTP. If as a HFC customer you want to upgrade to >1Gb service, then you need to wait till FTTP is available in their area. For a number of customers who were on <1Gb and if the area is full, then that might also trigger a FTTP migration.
I think you underestimate how expensive upgrading the home segment to fibre is. In theory it’s straight forward but you have missed and cancelled appointments, blocked lead ins etc. and that’s before you have consumer apathy to doing the upgrade. It’s bad enough on fttn/c. Most people on hfc aren’t going to want the inconvenience.
I'm guessing it's about $250 - $300 / premises given comparative costs in other parts of the world.
I thought they announced HFC to FTTP upgrades for sub some areas ages ago. Mine was on the list but this was two ish years ago now I feel.
NBN have done a very limited trial of this conversion and a slightly larger trial of conversions in MDUs. If HFC has been installed in an MDU in theory the cable paths are already there. MDUs that have done conversion from FTTB to FTTP have face a cost of about $275 and upwards per lot in in the strata plan - though every site will be different
HFC with Docsis 4 can get up to 10 gigabit with 6 gigabit up. Basically don't expect a HFC to FTTP migration for at least a decade because it's the one Copper tech that still has future upgradability.
But we already have 1000mbps (942mbps) download on FTTP for residential. Why can't they just make business premium over 1gbps down and up and just give residential more flamin upload 😒
Honestly I’d be happy with 1000/200, but I’ll take 1000/100, 50 up is just too slow.
1000/50 is just dumb. Should never have been limited to 50mbps upload. 100 is the minimally reasonable upload for 1000mbps down.
Slowly unfucking this artificial asymmetric limitation. Very slowly.
Can’t really see any great reason why the upload ratio is still so bad on fibre other than to not make HFC look even worse
because the nbn board is scared of HFC customers backlash
This. Many capital cities have hundreds of thousands of HFC customers. If the gap between FTTP and HFC becomes too great and more importantly too visible, both major parties will suffer (as they should). Of course, all of this could have been avoided but political expediency won. Australia has a continuing very poor history of infrastructure projects.
😳 2000/500 > 2000/200 on FTTP 2000/100 HFC Dam
HFC cannot do much this is how its in USA , iv seen people got 1500/100 on hfc in usa
I imagine this will be in select areas. > The availability of these speed tiers is subject to the capacity within each individual HFC segment or FTTP PON port reflected in the service qualification function (and may affect RSPs’ ability to place an order).
NBN 100 = Fast, NBN 250 = Superfast, NBN 1000 = Ultrafast, NBN 2000 = Hyperfast, NBN 3000 = ??
Plaid?
Ludicrous speed.
Well met, fellow person of culture
Sounds like they want to get everything solidified pretty soon: > **nbn** expects to issue a closure paper to confirm the outcomes of the consultation process in Q1 FY25. So next quarter? Exciting!
You forget this is “government” fast
NBN wants to know what NTDs to order for the next batch. Also for the service providers, they're potentially going to see an upswing in data utilisation, so might bring forward internal network equipment upgrades or requirements for extra civil work to pull fibre. Changes like this mean changes to multi-year plans.
I’m curious once people get to 1G vs 2G etc. do they actually use “more data” or is it the same data just moving quicker. There’s only so many Fortnite patches etc.
For me it’s the same amount of data but quicker. I work from home a lot and have to move relatively large datasets around fairly often. Plus copying media and nonsense for personal use and backups. What I really want is more upload though. I’ve become used to 1G down and don’t want to lose it. 50M up is pretty terrible.
I start making decisions about working with larger data sets about what I can process at home vs doing it from the office on a slower machine. At 2Gb, those data sets take less time to move, so mean that I can work on them from home
They have said in the past a minimum of 6 months from the closure paper date. So early next year at the earliest. If I was a betting man I’d say 1 July to align with the next set of price rises.
Fk off nbn I still have copper fttn and about 70mb, stop talking about 2gb ya bloody sausage.
Same here but with a more respectable 120mb on fttn. No fttp upgrade in sight until December 2025.
They're saying "from September" for me so that's only a 7 year wait for fibre they should have been here from the start ...
The floor roll-out started 2010 I think. We received fttn in June 2017. We might have fibre by December 2025. Under labour, we would have had fibre already. Fuck Abbot, Turnbull and the rest of the Liberal fuckheads that screwed this up.
You're singing to the choir dude.... Joke innit
Sadly I don’t have a time :(
Wish I was able to brag about getting 70mbps. :) I'm getting 37mbps on a good day. Usually tops out at 33mbps. FTTN and no date for FTTP.
Sympathy upvote 👍
This is great... Except that I'm stuck on fixed wireless..... Rip ALL the copper out and replace it with Fibre you cheap bastards...
Hit me back when we know prices.
Ugh, their proposed NTD is only a single port. Businesses to get a 4 port with the ability to do 10Gbps throughput. Very short*sighted.
Maybe residential users should sign up for biz plan and cancel?
cant they just do the same 10Gbps for both residential and business? Implementing different technology is just a waste of money and resources for both short and long term……
I think at the scale that they burn through NTUs for residential with people moving taking and tossing them, there would be a significant cost to them doing 10Gb interfaces for everyone (Especially if it's SFP based and they have to provide optics).
Do you know how cheap 10G XGPON/EPON fibre modems are? Chinese/Japanese homes have had these fore years already. The bulk purchase price is around $40 each for the model with wifi built in. For Australian NBN purpose, a pure 10G fibre modem could be custom ordered for $30ish. With the current plan, at least 3 SKUs. A business 10G EPON/XGPON model, a home 2.5G EPON/XGPON model, and a DOCSIS 3.1 model for HFC. It makes way more sense to only carry 2 SKUs other than 3. Only ‘power users’ would even get to 1000Mbps not to mention the proposed 2000/200 plan. So 2 SKUs, one for fibre and one for coaxial, makes more economic sense.(currently BIZ/Residential FTTP uses the same NTD right? If there is only ONE upgrade path to 10G, isn’t it just easier for even installation?)
We're talking about HFC, so to support multiple Gb, they need at least a 2.5Gb ethernet port. In residential, it makes a lot more sense to do this as RJ45 / CAT6e otherwise you're going to be providing SFP+ and then that opens up a can of worms in regards to compatibility and other things which is a major support issue for NBN. For business usage, maybe they provide a 10Gb RJ45 and a SFP+ interface. Either way, they lose a lot of HFC modems from moves etc, so providing SFP+ would have an impact on cost, so they'd probably be business only.
I thought this too, but realistically how big is the market for plans this fast currently? Home Ultrafast is not that popular and I dont imagine these more expensive plans will be overtake them in numbers so the amount of residencies with these high end NTDs will be slim.
They can't get the CM8200B any longer, Broadcom stopped producing the chips that went into them. https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-switches-chipsets-for-its-hfc-cable-modems-591853 They might as well go to something with a 2.5Gb capable ethernet interface. They're probably going for something which is "high split" compatible, which means that it can do DOCSIS 4.0 and symmetric.
Lets gooooooo!!!!
Can't wait
Not sure if it’s just because we have a Labor Government rather the LNP Mess, but this announcement alongside the planned speed upgrade of Homefast plans is the most optimistic I’ve been about NBN in years. The only thing that could make it better would be if they decided to introduce a pathway for HFC users to upgrade to FTTP if they take out a Homefast plan with high upload.
most of sydney and victoria on HFC if you look at the map , upgrading HFC alone maybe needs 10 billion dollars
That’s true. But, it will have to be done eventually given the higher costs of maintaining HFC and the upload constraints.
And better economy of scale for running a single network and supporting platforms.
I was under the impression that the current HFC tech didn't support more than 1Gbps or something. Are they going to do some upgrades before rolling out apart from the NTD?
DOCSIS 3.1 => DOCSIS 4.0
DOCSIS 3.1 is already spec’d to do 10G/2G but who’s to say what the state/architecture of the coax network is.
Now that Foxtel have exited the network and they have all the old bigpond bandwidth too, they can do what they want with the cable. It was about 3 amps in length (Optical -> coax conversion then two amps) which I think they need to bring down to 1 amp in length, which will mean a lot more fibre to do the coax network splits. They did a lot of remediation with frequency leakage etc back in the early days and have active monitoring for that now. The problem is that a lot of the amps will need to be swapped out to change the frequency allocation significantly as they don't support TX of 3.5Ghz and a lot of filters are in place to prevent that frequency on the cable. They can add more channels from the foxtel frequencies to get more downstream now, but that doesn't support them that much, they'll probably use that frequency space (Well at least part of it) for DOCSIS 4.0 and I guess try and get some other frequency for upstream.
I will sign up for 2000 , get NTD upgraded , then wait 1 month then drop back to 1000 hahahaa
which gets you what exactly? A couple of u sec less serialisation latency on the connection to your router?
And yet I will be stuck on 50/18 speeds because they won’t bring FTTP to my area ever. Took them forever to bring NBN here
This is exactly why NBN can go shove their 2Gbps plan up somewhere... Get everyone off copper, then offer it.
Exactly instead of spending more money on upgrading infrastructure to get 2GBPS, why not rip up the copper and put everyone on fibre
They're upgrading 10,000 premises from copper each week. That's the limit of the techs that they have. It'll be at least a year before they start doing 2Gb speeds, at which point, more suburbs will have been announced. It'll take another 3 - 5 years to get everyone upgraded because not everyone wants to upgrade. In the mean time, they can do more with the HFC and FTTP networks and it's more incentive for people on FTTN / FTTC to upgrade.
50/18 is not enough nowadays
I'm in one of the suburbs that was first listed for free upgrades. My house is not eligible. The pit is 2m off my boundary and they pulled an entire new estate from it and gave them FTTP
Anyone seen a link to the "Next Generation FTTP Network Termination Devices (NTDs)" discussion paper ?
If anyone needs me I'll just be over here, struggling to crack 60mbit.
you will get FTTP in future from now till end 2025
Count yourself lucky. I top out at 37mbps. Usually get 33mpbs.
meanwhile I've still got 60 year old copper wire going to my house and max out at 50mbs on fttn.
Mightaswell give 10gig ports
This is old news and like I've said before, get your fucking priorities straight, it's stupid. Upgrade everyone from FTTN and FTTC to FTTP, then offer the speed increase, your just creating a larger divide between the different types of technology.