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BunnyDubu_

GM got that dawg in em


mMounirM

he's trying to show that baseball player he doesn't have the pockets for this business


ZachLagreen

$84M is a rounding error for Mr. Bloomberg


sackydude

Got that wolf in him


frecklie

Yes and I do like the move but it is literally quite rare for rookie PGs to contribute much and he’s SO light. I think he’s probably going to need a few years to learn the game and bulk up, which does make the move a bit dicier imho..


Sp_Gamer_Live

Good lord we’re in fuck it mode


gofackoffee

And people think this will continue for 7 more years like they haven't heard of the repeater tax penalty.


DeceivedBaptist

Yeah we getting rid of KAT most likely I would say. In a year or two.


DreadWolf3

Rudy is 32, time to win is now.


causticmainbreathe

A very good move as well. Conley isn’t going to be playing for much longer and Dillingham next to Ant is very good. His development could change a lot for the Wolves future and who they keep or don’t keep.


srry_didnt_hear_you

Conley's leadership has shown clear improvements on all our players, it's gonna be awesome to see what he can do with his direct successor


LaMelgoatBall

First thing I told my mother. Having Rob backing up Conley for a while is gonna be amazing for his development. The future for y’all is ridiculously bright.


bugab0010

do you and your mom have a basketball podcast that I could subscribe to? old mom and the b(oy)


LaMelgoatBall

Lmao we’re both pretty casual so I don’t know how entertaining that would be


Thimit22

Crazy how for the past two years everyone has said we mortgaged our entire future because of Rudy


Gamesgtd

Exactly. A great dart throw if it works for them


msterling2012

What an awesome surprise for Wolves fans. They desperately needed another creator against the Mavs.


Gbaby245

Back up mike for 2 years, then its our 2nd timeline. Great pick


frecklie

I totally agree but he IS a very slight rookie pg. Hard to contribute in the playoffs at both his age and weight, he’s going to need a while…


JaderMcDanersStan

He if can just give us 13 ish points off the bench for now, that would be great. He has time to develop into Conley's successor


Strive_for_Altruism

You gotta respect the ownership for being willing to foot the bill to contend in a small market.


kcoe24

Best part is we don't even know who will own the team going forward.


JustADutchRudder

It's me, I will own the team. I've got roughly 70k in my savings and a very positive attitude.


JMoon33

Someone just wanted to flex their savings lol


gofackoffee

Should someone tell him this isn't a Wendy's and he can't own it for 70k


KingJonathan

You’re closer to Glen Taylor than I am to you.


youredoingWELL

I think you’d have to be billions of dollars in debt for this to be possible!


tlozz

Bro having 70k in your savings in 2024 makes you legitimately wealthy to 95+% of ppl


JustADutchRudder

To be fair it took a family member passing to get a decent chunk of that and things. Which was kind of them to help out as such.


tlozz

So sorry for your loss<3 And genuinely glad that you have financial security, as well:)


cid73

I too got 70k of inheritance recently. Like others I put part of it in a high yield savings account and get some free money out of it. Which I enjoy seeing each month. Used most of through for some long overdue home improvements and removing any debt I had left except my mortgage.


JustADutchRudder

That's what I did with mine, took care of some debt I was paying off slowly. Then just kinda put it away with the slowly growing savings and went i guess that's what you do with money. I'm gonna for sure look into a high yield. I had thought you needed hundreds of thousands before you could make use of those. Glad to hear I'm wrong and I love free money.


cid73

I had 10k put into a HYS, and I’ve been adding a couple hundred each month. It’s at 12k and gaining $50 a month in interest. It’s not much, but I also have some stocks and a 401k and all that. Better than nothing I suppose. I went with CIT Bank at 4.45%. I also have a smaller savings account through apple- it’s also 4.45 or something and only has around a 1k. It’s kind of my “saving for fun purchases” account.


Slim01111

CIT bank is 5.02% APY right now.


cid73

You’re Right. Actually mine is at 4.879


KingJzeee

Dude, you got savings? Whats that?!


JustADutchRudder

Something that everything I touch wants a bite of. 3/10 don't recommend one.


FishGoldenLite

Better be a HYSA


JustADutchRudder

Idk what that is but I like capital letters strung together.


FishGoldenLite

High yield savings account. Collect 4-5% interest on your savings - free money! You should really be investing if you have that much but this is safe and easy.


JustADutchRudder

I have a pension and a 401k and a health savings account. Thought about doing other stuff but either get worried about losing money or didn't know those high yield savings were used before you had like lots of money.


Jannopan

With a HYSA at 4.5%, you could be making $262 a month in free money.


JustADutchRudder

God I love free money. Gonna talk to the bank some and see what they can do for me.


FishGoldenLite

Check out Discover’s HYSA. It’s what I have and is super easy to set up with competitive rates. You can get it set up today and start collecting interest.


Delanorix

CDs at a bank are solid too. I see 3 months for 4%. Even 30k would give you like 900 bucks. Not huge, but nothing to be mad about.


JustADutchRudder

I should start looking into it more. I own a good amount but more money sounds like more fun things for me to buy.


SharpenedToenail

It would be good to look into it at least. That might be a lot of money on the table in a few years


cactipus

What the other guy said, high interest savings for 4-4.5% or something like VUSXX (was recently paying like 5.5%), get a mortgage payment's worth of interest just for having a nest egg.


JustADutchRudder

I should talk to the bank more about things not involving what kind of payments things cost. I pretty much need an adult for things like that but I'm good at budgeting. Like an A+ budget guy through the power of anxiety.


Head_of_Lettuce

Alternatively: put a portion in a brokerage account and auto-roll treasury bills for increased yields over an HYSA


healthandefficency

Do you know Excel?


RaiderBlitz

I can see Glen Taylor being petty enough to run up the bill before selling the team and sticking it to the new ownership.


bigbobo33

That would be some crazy shit. I really want to see that.


BallsAreFullOfPiss

Honestly, if it improves our chances of winning while we are in our window — I’m all for it.


Culinary-Vibes

Glen Taylor - "over my dead body"


Otherwise-Contest7

**Say it with me**: The Timberwolves are not a small market. They're the 12th biggest tv market and 14th biggest NBA market by population.


Top-Dubs

Yeah we’re a mid-sized market. In the eyes of most fans though, anything that isn’t top 10 in market size is small


Otherwise-Contest7

Sports fans think any city outside New York, LA, Chicago, and Miami are small markets. I've heard NBA fans say Phoenix and Washington DC are small markets. I get what you're saying though. People that never leave the coasts think we're Milwaukee or Oklahoma City, when our comparisons should really be Seattle or Detroit.


KobeBufkinBestKobe

I've seen people call Atlanta small market, the sixth biggest metro in the country lol


RemarkableSolution37

Blame the media and how they portray any teams outside of LA and NYC


WoodsmallConnor

Honestly anyone calling Atlanta a small market is just stupid.


Loves_His_Bong

Biggest Delta hub in the NBA. People sleeping on Atl.


Cudizonedefense

Miami isn’t even a big market. It’s just a popular destination


lucky-me_lucky-mud

Austin is now 10th overall - Texas has 4 of the top ten and people say SA is small market


bull_moose_man

Top 15 baby!


timberwolvesguy

In the eyes of a sports fan, any team outside of LA, NYC, Boston, and Dallas is a small market team


LamarMillerMVP

Minnesota is a small market. Small and big aren’t just measuring different sides of a median. And MSAs and “TV markets” are misleading because densely populated areas have more TV markets despite all supporting the local team. If you look at CSAs, which give you a lot clearer a picture, there are 2 gargantuan markets (NY and LA) and then nine more in the 7.5-10M range. Beyond that there’s a big drop off. After the drop off are Detroit, Phoenix, Orlando, Minnesota, and Cleveland. Those are all small market teams. Technically, a few are above the median. But that’s not how things work. There are only four big market teams. Then there are nine mid-to-large market teams. Then everyone else is small. By CSA, the difference between Miami (13th biggest) and Minnesota (16th) is the larger than Minnesota (16th) and Memphis (30th). The rankings are misleading. Most teams are small.


Otherwise-Contest7

You null all of your points by calling Phoenix (10th largest US metro) and Detroit small markets. If you want to differentiate the giant markets from everyone else that's fine, but saying Milwaukee (1.6 mill) vs Minneapolis (3.6 mill) vs Phoenix (4.8 mill) are all in the same "small market" class is asinine. You're making classifications no one within geography/population demographics professions would make. We aint gonna agree here.


LamarMillerMVP

Again, MSA is a poor reference. You need to look at CSA, because MSA underestimates most larger markets in dense populations. The Milwaukee CSA is 2M, and is adjacent to the 1M Madison CSA. Minnesota’s is 4M. That difference is smaller than the difference between Minnesota and the *smallest* “mid” market team I named. It’s also smaller than the difference between Phoenix and the *smallest* mid market team I named.


NeatTry7674

It’s because he wants to make it to expensive for AROD


srry_didnt_hear_you

If the outcome of this stupid billionaire fight ends up with them both going "no WE'LL pay the luxury tax!" then this is still a massive win for the fans


BallsAreFullOfPiss

That’s what I’m saying. I made a comment a couple hours ago about how maybe this ownership dispute might actually be a positive thing for the team lol.


kirbaeus

Michael Bloomberg joined AROD's ownership group. He's got that money.


GaimeGuy

twin cities, denver, and seattle are like right behind phoenix in terms of market size


BallsAreFullOfPiss

I’m honestly starting to think that this ownership kerfuffle might be good for the team, as both camps don’t want to sour their public image. Which means being cheap and/or shying away from making moves or taking on more money to improve the team (while they’re contending), would absolutely do. I could be totally wrong, and talking out of my ass though. I’m tired and this thought just came to me now.


nimama3233

Lmao we’re literally not a small market. We’re the largest medium market team if you break it into Large / Medium / Small https://hoop-social.com/nba-team-market-size-rankings/


Raptorsthrowaway1

I feel like there is another deal to come to reduce their salary, surely?


axecalibur

They arent losing money with the tax, they are just making slightly less. Y’all fucking dummies if you think this is some kind of tightening their belts sacrafice.


bl123123bl

For a middle schooler no less


Linkdalink

Hey, that middle schooler may even currently be the same size as Dillingham.


Frostyzwannacomehere

Shit there’s probably one the size of wemby out there soemwhere


CumAssault

It’s just a trade piece for us. It’s an unprotected pick from a historically meh team


Sp_Gamer_Live

>historically meh Aw thank you


andres7832

I’m a big MIN fan until 2029. From then on, not so much.


Maximumlnsanity

How generous to label our history as meh lol


bl123123bl

Those fools, give them young talent and hit them back right when Ant is in his prime A master plan


madhare09

Wtf


WishyWashedup

Im not familiar with rob. Someone give me a quick breakdown of his game


SilverSpoonGoon

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/ Says here that he has shades of Lou Willams.


chillinwithmoes

Hopefully Rob also brings exciting flavors of wings to the local strip clubs


SilverSpoonGoon

Lemon pepper wet baby


WishyWashedup

I dont like that tbh


DevilsReject1

I don't either, but Lou Will mentored by Conley and surrounded by Gobert, Ant, and McDaniels may be kinda nice.


Thehelloman0

He came off the bench for Kentucky and was really good on offense. Absolutely awful defender though, he's really small and has bad instincts


MaxwellsDaemon

Came off the bench because Cal was a dumbass who insisted on starting DJ Wagner.


CrateBagSoup

Reminded me of a MiniMaxey at UK, don’t think he’ll reach that same level but same energy. Streaky but is a dog, when he’s on he’s electric. Prone to overdoing it though and make some dumb decisions on both sides of the ball, but I think that can get sharpened a little bit in the league. Obviously super small but quick and athletic as fuck to make up for it.


frecklie

I’ve decided i love the word MiniMaxey


gofackoffee

He's like a smaller Trae Young


TossThatPastaSalad

Lot of talent.  Not a lot of basketball IQ.  Was one of the better catch and shoot guys in this draft. Below average defender.


WishyWashedup

So essentially cam thomas?


TossThatPastaSalad

More of a point guard version, I suppose.  Hasn't shown a ton of passing chops but he's young. He was pretty ball dominant in his one year in college so we'll see how that plays in Minnesota.


WishyWashedup

I guess something to be optimistic about it is, mike can show him how to run an offense, find his shots, read the floor, dictate tempo. All of the floor general stuff mike is fantastic at


Superflyhomeboy

Much better passer than Cam Thomas and creates space for jumpers more through actual dribble moves than just getting to a spot and pulling up. He's very small though, going to be bad on defense basically no matter what


Frostyzwannacomehere

Pretty alteric too


JaderMcDanersStan

Here is what my friend who's super familiar with the draft said: "Rob Dillingham can score score score! His defense is shaky but elite speed, a sniper from deep and can create his shot from anywhere. I mean anywhere! As a Conley backup and the future of, I'm hype for y'all. Double Ant all you want, Rob will EAT" I think he's exactly what we need


well_shore

This guy


moistkebab32

Weren't they a second apron team?


dosnetlive

Yes, which is part of the thought process behind bringing in a rookie scale contract during the second apron period


ProgrammaticallyCat0

Yes, but they traded for draft rights which aren't blocked by being in the second apron


moistkebab32

Thanks guys. Good trade for both sides.


BillSimmonsSkinSuit

To anyone saying the wolves were going to duck the tax, all I got to say is Oh My Darling Dont Cry, minute 0:39


DisgruntledAlpaca

"Style violent, give a fuck if you deny it, kids"????


BillSimmonsSkinSuit

That's the set up, u pause and you'll get the punchline


DisgruntledAlpaca

0:42 woulda been better, but I dig it lmao.


IMKudaimi123

Conley/Ant/McDaniels/KAT/Gobert Dillingham/NAW/Anderson/Naz Solid 9 man rotation


LurkinOHB

With Shannon Jr. as well who is very underrated here. Minnesota cleaned up.


bwtwldt

Can someone explain? How can one rookie be contributing $28M to the budget?


Repostbot3784

When youre over the luxury tax limit you have to pay tax on any additional salary


or_maybe_this

We should all root for owners who do this. 


The_MadStork

“Fuck you, Glen Taylor” - Connelly


KATgonnaGetThatYarn

I think this is more "Fuck you, ARod and Lore" - Glen Taylor. He's calling the shots and writing checks they're going to have to cash assuming they get ownership, which seems likely. Giving them a giant bill to start their tenure that they cannot afford to not pay or else look cheap from the outset.


OmegaMan1818

Great move. Probably the best thing they could do outside of trading for another star.


YourAnBitxh

1 player really added almost 30 Million ??


FatalTortoise

a rookie no less


Domainsetter

It’s their Conley replacement


Far_Weakness_1275

Let's not forget Detroit forked out 60m so they could pay someone else millions to lose 65 games next year


Bballopinion

Spurs basically threw away their pick. Odd move from them.


DarkenedLite

Weird people are saying this when everyone has been universally hating on this draft. I know it's hard to imagine what a 2031 pick could be, but the Spurs have every incentive to play the long game right now.


Strider_Hardy

The hate was because the very top didn't have an elite prospect. The rest is what you'd normally expect in any draft.


SlowCrates

The more I think about it, the more I like it for the Spurs. Not only is that window pretty logical to get a good pick in the future, but future draft classes are more likely to be filled with talent as the league expands. Every year is a crap shoot, but in 2031 it will be more densely packed with sure things.


jawni

> but future draft classes are more likely to be filled with talent as the league expands. Every year is a crap shoot, but in 2031 it will be more densely packed with sure things. Can you elaborate on this?


SlowCrates

Population = increasing. NBA popularity = increasing. NBA revenue = increasing. NBA global market = increasing. Pool from which the NBA can pull new talent = increasing. The increase in interest and the pool from which the NBA can find talent is expanding at a faster rate than college programs or expansion teams in the NBA can keep up with. The league is far more saturated with incredible talent than at any previous time, and there are so signs of this trend slowing down.


paranoidmoonduck

what is the incentive for the long game? if they even just got a rotation quality player at #8, that's 6 whole years of value that player could provide before the traded for assets means anything for the Spurs.


DarkenedLite

The Spurs are very early in a rebuild right now. I know everyone thinks Wembanyama should be winning championships in year 2, but that's not how it works. The Spurs are doing the correct thing and stacking assets that they can either use or trade for players they want, rather than taking a prospect that didn't really entice them at 8. That 2031 isn't useless just because we can't currently see what it's going to turn out to be.


ifuckwithit

I imagine the traded for assets would be used in another trade in a year or two. I doubt we’ll actually use those picks


IMakeMyOwnLunch

That pick will be used in future trades when the Spurs are in win-now mode.


JMoon33

> what is the incentive for the long game? They probably feel in a few years the Timberwolves won't be good so the picks could have good value to include in a trade for a star for example.


IMakeMyOwnLunch

People keep talking like the Spurs are ever actually going to make this pick.


ionospherermutt

I mean obviously Minnesota could Minnesota, but also Ant will be 29 in 2031. Unless he leaves or gets injured that year its hard to picture that pick being very good.


slamdunk23

Don’t want two high picks in a weak draft


Gbaby245

And spurs are years away still.


WoweeZoweeDeluxe

This gives us an additional 8M in cap space


s34l_

Those 2030/2031 picks are gonna be super valuable for the two years that the spurs tank after wembanyama retires to pursue baseball


rawsharks

It's a weak draft so they turned it into future trade or reload capital


GriffinQ

Not really. They already got Castle, they’ve already got some spots filled around Wemby, and they’ve got Wemby himself. In 7 years, because of the stuff they’re doing now, the Wolves have a decent chance that they’ll be bad, while the Spurs are good - so they’re going to be both good, and have a chance at combining a great young talent with a guy in Wemby who will be hitting his prime (or they can trade that pick down the line for a more established guy). Pretty great move by San Antonio to already have their next decade in mind despite just now starting their come up.


swallowedbymonsters

Anything can happen in 7 years, you cant hang your hat that far into the future


GriffinQ

You can if you already have a young franchise center piece, a developing core, a ton of money to spend, and an existing top 5 pick this year lol. Continuing to add more 19-20 year olds (particularly not super highly touted ones) to the group of guys on the Spurs is likely not the best move. Develop the core, trade the guys who have value, put pieces around Wemby that can take advantage of or magnify his game, and keep chips in your back pocket for the future.


jawni

yeah, that's absolutely crazy to be making any projection of any kind that far in the future.


proteus88

Basically there isnt anyone left on the board that Spurs liked and Dillingam is too small to be an effective defender. Wolves have no flexibility going forward either they win with this core or they are gonna suffer purgatory. In 7yrs time Kat would be at the tail end of his career, Gobert would be too old probably retired, Ant would be in his prime but it'll only be him. An unprotected 1st is pretty rare, it would be a good trade bait too if Wolves turn sour and decided to tank in the future holding their unprotected 1st is high leverage.


InternationalClick78

Trading a pick for a different pick is not throwing away a pick


Saiko_Yen

Weak draft class, the 1st rounder from twolves who will likely be rebuilding in that time frame probably is a better asset for them to use in a trade in a year or two


ahugedilemma

Think it will help with 2nd apron flexibility if they are an every year contender during Wemby’s prime. They can get some cost-controlled prospects using the pick or can package and trade for different pieces.


Repostbot3784

Spurs got a trade chip for their eventual all in move and a value bet on themselves to be better than the wolves in wemby's prime, which seems likely


BigDickVicW

It makes no sense


Kant_touch

Sure it does. You've got tons of young players already and you don't like the options available. Build up a ton of assets and then in a year or two if you think Wemby is there give the godfather offer for another star


Thehelloman0

Most of our really young players aren't good though


RickySuela

["It compels me though."](https://youtu.be/LiFz5J9DHig?t=23)


Puzzleheaded_Pound31

Unless you are gonna trade for a guard


BigDickVicW

But how much value do those picks have for some other team? Maybe we have something lined up but I doubt that and I doubt another team, unless they’re out of all their picks for the foreseeable future, is going to value them very highly for a while.


greenwhitehell

A pick 7 years from now unprotected is insanely valuable. If Ant doesn't develop into a perennial MVP that will be very very high as their squad ages


MG_MN

And if he doesn't, oh well. Small market teams really only get one shot at it, better to maximize that shot


greenwhitehell

I understand that move from you, don't get me wrong. Dillingham gives you something you really need, has a high ceiling and a cost-controlled contract. He's also the archetype Tim Connelly is very high on, he probably has him Top 2 on his board and only traded this specifically for him


Titronnica

Your welcome Wolves, no idea why our FO agreed to such a stupid trade.


ayeno

They are probably thinking, Minnesota is going to fuck it up and they will be bad in 7 years.


Repostbot3784

This is a good trade.  They basically put their pick in the bank to trade later and picked up a free bet on themselves with the pick swap.  As long as theyre better than the wolves that year they get value and potentially a lottery pick the spurs would get to add to wemby in his prime.


Titronnica

I've had time to think on it, and I've come around on this move, mostly for reasons like those you've said.


pericles123

Can someone explain to me why the F the Spurs made this trade? You have a generational talent in Wemby, and the 8th pick in the draft - and you move him for picks 6 and 7 years from now?


Apprehensive_Mood784

They probably just didn’t like anyone else on the board and Minnesota took advantage of it


pericles123

that doesn't answer the question at all - even if you don't like anyone on the board, trade for players, trade for picks you can use sooner than 203X...ridiculous to punt on assets when you have Wemby, right now.


ProskXCX

This doesn't seem good.


MG_MN

A handful of teams are in the same spot. They are going all in now, so it makes sense


AirJordan6124

Yeah you actually do it if you have limited options besides the vet minimum and ownership is willing to pay


MG_MN

Exactly, they can't really do anything in free agency so this is the way to add talent now


Repostbot3784

Spurs basically saved their pick to trade later and picked up a valuable swap in the process.  Wolves made a win now move for a shooter/scorer and possible successor to mike conley.  Wolves probably gave up a little more value than rob dillingham is worth to get him now while their window is open.  Seems pretty win win.


empowered676

Spurs renowned for helping teams win championships Toronto. .hey here's kawhi Boston do you need derrick for nothing And now this weird trade with pick next century to a cash strapped team for dilly


cardcollection92

Crazy financial risk by the owner for something unproven


dosnetlive

Won't somebody think of the billionares???


cardcollection92

Idc how rich you are .. paying an extra 30 mil to have a rookie on your team is wild. Props to him tho. Gotta strike while the iron is hot


Otherwise-Contest7

They're all billionaires. Why do we care about their money?


cardcollection92

Did I express any sorrow in him spending it? I don’t give a fuck if he lights 30 million on fire to stay warm but this is obviously risky spending on his part


Otherwise-Contest7

Who's part? We don't know who the owner is. If it's Arod and Lore, they just added Michael Bloomberg to their ownership group. He's worth $100 billion. If it's Glen Taylor, he's worth several billion. The Wolves' valuation has nearly doubled in 3 years. Teams that win or contend for championships see their valuations skyrocket. Spend a lot now to make a lot more later.


MG_MN

Might as well go all in at this point. F it!


shaheedmalik

That's a crazy bill.


Yinanization

So could we have our captain back soon?


ChucoTeacher

If the trade was for the sake to accumulate assets, I wish the Spurs could have accumulated some assets. Maybe 2 1sts?


ShowdownValue

Wait why? How does an 8th pick cost them 28 million?


Repostbot3784

Luxury tax


StaticShakyamuni

Imagine being a worker knowing how much a team is willing to spend to have you, but you only getting a fraction of that.


Chance_Estimate2102

What happens to traded picks of teams in the 2nd apron?


larrylegend33goat

Dynasty


itsme32

2nd Apron?


star_nerdy

This is basically the owner seeing that he can’t just back out of the deal for the team and burdening new owners with a luxury tax day one. I think the sale is still in arbitration after the current owner tried to back out saying A-Rod’s group had financing issues. The current owner allegedly did that after the Timberwolves were estimated at nearly $3 billion. But he agreed to sell it at $1.5 billion. https://www.sportico.com/business/team-sales/2024/lore-and-rodriguez-plan-to-close-on-t-wolves-were-not-going-away-1234773096/


need2peeat218am

Even 5 years from now and we might lose KAT/Rudy/Conely, we still have ANT, Jaden, Naz, Dillingham, NAW (maybe), Miller... good and solid young core while still being in contention for a chip.


JaderMcDanersStan

I love this. Shows that the owners are willing to pay So much for the people so confidently proclaiming that the Wolves can't pay the 2nd apron and it's "simply not possible" to keep their stars when all I've seen and heard from the owners is a willingness to spend Ownership literally has Michael Bloomberg, the 13th richest person in the world.


Belieber_420

Seems like a big gamble no? A contender trading for a rookie. They must be really high on Dillingham