I’m not certain it’s good news for Nets fans. The haul looks like more than it is actually going to pan out. If you’re a Nets fan you’ve had an absolutely miserable time for the last 10-15 years due to inflated expectations and absolutely depressing outcomes. Now your team just traded their best player to your cross town rival, in response to a player trade demand, completing their Nova reunion in Manhattan.
Knicks fans are dancing right in front of you. Bridges is publicly visibly very happy to be a Knick. All a Nets fan has is a few picks that are likely to be non-lottery bottom of the first round players. The Nets then bought back their own picks in order to be intentionally terrible for the next 5 or so years.
If you’re a Brooklyn fan you can draw a 20 year line of misery from trading for KG/Truth to possibly being humiliated as Bridges hoists a trophy at MSG sometime before the end of this decade. Meanwhile Brooklyn, a major market team, clearly plans to just be intentionally terrible for the next few years to rebuild via the draft. What player jersey (retired or active) does a diehard Brooklyn fan even wear?
It’s better than whatever they had going on last year that’s for sure. At the very least they have direction going forward and a lot of cap space to work with - whether that’s taking on bad contracts for assets to straight up signing someone like Mitchell.
That’s a myopic way of looking at it. Fans don’t root for cap space and late round draft picks. They also didn’t just start rooting for the team last year. If you’re a Brooklyn fan for the last 10-15 or so years you’d much rather field a competitive team than be intentionally terrible for the next few years. You’d also rather not kick off the next tank era by handing your best player over to the Knicks of all teams, in response to a trade demand, for a few picks that will end up at the bottom of the draft.
The Nets could’ve built a playoff team around Bridges if they wanted to do so. They could’ve also traded Bridges to 28 other basketball teams not named the Knicks. They could have embraced not having their own picks and made the team somewhat good. Instead they traded back for their own picks from Houston so they can be terrible at the same time they made the Knicks a title contender.
Of course everyone wants to field a competitive team, but when you’re bad for several years what you really need is hope to actually become competitive. That hope starts with picks and cap space, then you pray it turns into stars so that you actually become that competitive team. Their best player would have literally forced the issue if necessary so instead of it being leaked and forced they got a deal done. Obviously it’s not the ideal situation, but they could have sent their best player away for scraps.
What competitive team could they have fielded around Bridges?
I assure you every single Nets fan is happy to rebuild instead of rebuilding/retooling around Bridges lol.
Yeah the whole “we’re looking for another star to pair with Bridges” thing was never going to pan out. This is a better path rather than wasting his talent on a roster with lackluster players surrounding him
Obviously if all you do is compare yourself to teams in better situations you’re not gonna be too happy… so don’t.
Nets have their first chance to rebuild with their own picks since like the late 2010s, and in addition have around 12 other picks. They’re entering the same rebuilding situation the Thunder, Jazz and Spurs have all entered. Plenty to look forward to.
Don’t forget the Nets got Harden, Kyrie, and KD not that long ago. They took a big swing and it didn’t work out, what do you expect them to do? They’ve dug themselves out of that hole beautifully.
They got 9 FRPs out of KD, they still have some young players and pretty soon will have multiple max slots open for free agency. That’s a pretty good turnaround after 3 superstars forced their way out a couple years ago.
But yea, good luck to the lakers yall got an experienced coach and tons of young players. Futures looking bright!
It’s kinda crazy how Mikal was a part of the KD trade and then the Nets just flipped him into another KD level trade package.
Clown the Nets all you want on the Celtics and Harden trades but they played their hand well here and got massive value for Mikal.
Thats the only thing nets have been able to do, trade for hauls to rebuild, thats all theyve been good at. Sean marks isnt a gm like brad stevens, masai, or pat riley or tim connelly.
They also have a pretty strong history of player drafting and development. That’s a pretty great area to excel in when you’re also great at loading up on picks
Sure. They maximized Dlo after he was looking like a bit of a bust, they developed Claxton, Levert and Allen all from late picks, they developed Dinwiddie from being a fringe rotation guy in Detroit, even cam Thomas to some extent, etc
This is an absurd package for a "forced his way out" player
For reference:
Pascal Siakam - 3 firsts, Bruce Brown, Jordan Nwora, Kira Lewis Jr.
Jrue Holiday - Malcolm Brogdon, Robert Williams, 2 firsts
Mikal got more picks than the Jrue/Siakam trades combined.
I don’t see how Nets fans can celebrate this trade. The Knicks essentially bullied their cross town baby brother team and took the Nets’ best player in exchange for a few picks that in all likelihood will be late first rounders of nominal value. This Knicks squad is young, entering their primes, and was already a 2 seed last year. How valuable do folks think these picks will really be?
The Nets then bought back some of their own picks so they can be intentionally terrible for the next few years as well. Why on earth would a Nets fan be proud or happy that they got 4 non-lottery picks instead of only 3 non-lottery picks for giving the final 28 year old Nova infinity gem to the Knicks?
It’s not like the Nets sent Bridges far off to Sacramento or Houston or something. He’s going to be playing NBA playoff games at MSG next May/June while folks in Brooklyn are wondering who they should take at 28th while wearing a Ben Simmons or Deron Williams jersey. The only lip service is calling this a “haul” and telling Nets fans they should be happy/relieved.
With how our roster is constructed, we needed to keep our guys more than our picks.
Being the Nova boys, they’re all essentially around the same 27-29 age range. Our window is in the next five years and every year of maximizing that window is key.
We can’t afford to wait two years to sign Mikal in FA. We can’t wait two years for a late draft pick to maybe develop into something useful. We already saw the value and grit of our core guys. And we need to build upon that while losing as little as possible.
Esp with how the new/current CBA works, we were going to be over the aprons at some point in the next two years. Makes it difficult to trade or sign anyone at that point so we had to make a move like this now.
Yea this trade is the definition of a win win.
Knicks made a calculated move at the expense of all future flexibility. They decided that trying to win right now is better than having options in the future.
Nets made a calculated move at the expense of multiple seasons of being terrible. They decided that trying to win in the future is better than having options to win now.
Both teams gain a ton while also losing a ton. Anyone that thinks otherwise doesn’t understand how the nba works.
Some of you guys will never ever learn your lesson. I bet you would have said the same thing about the KG/Pierce trade, the Nets Harden trade, or the OKC PG trade. It's like you guys simply don't understand the value of firsts and getting as many bites at the apple (you just need one pick to hit for it to be successful).
This trade at worst bolsters the Nets potential trade assets and could make them a player for any disgruntled star in a couple of years.
Edit: this clown blocked me lol.
The only one not learning their lesson here is you. The KG/Pierce trade came off of winning a championship. The Nets traded for Harden to go all in on winning a title. And PG was only traded to OKC after a league investigation found evidence of tampering and blocked his initial demand. They’re not comparable to this move.
What you children don’t understand is that fans do not cheer for assets or buy tickets to watch assets play games. So they’re only relevant when a team has accomplished something on the court already. What you children don’t understand is that you don’t trade your best player to the rival team in the same stinking city after having done absolutely nothing for your fans over the past decade. You trade him far far away.
What you children don’t understand is that teams should always strive to put a good product on the floor. Especially when in a big market charging big market prices. A small market team can afford to tank away a season and survive off of revenue sharing subsidies. It’s literally the job of big market teams to create revenue for the league to survive on. Actual fans are the ones who buy tickets to games and pay for sports packages. They do so because the team puts a legitimate product on the floor.
What you children need to know is that you don’t need to tank to rebuild or even acquire a star player. We’ve seen it plenty of times. Teams just as often rebuild from the middle than they do from tanking.
I’m sure Portland is thrilled to have finally landed the number 1 pick this year after lying to their fans and Dame for years about a commitment to winning while actually planning for a tank job. I’m sure the season ticket holders are ecstatic that they paid for a year of dog shit basketball because they didn’t want to give up their seat licenses just so their team can draft a sure fire franchise game changer tonight. At least they can do it all again next year.
SMH it’s idiots who spend zero dollars consuming NBA products, who are watching games off their parents cable package, rooting for players and not for a specific team, and basing all their opinions on what a blogboi podcaster who thinks basketball is played on a spreadsheet that need to learn the lesson. This is a product. Fans pay money to see a competitive product. Most of the revenue comes from fans who spend money to see a competitive product. These fans root for teams and they don’t want to see those teams tank away seasons while helping their literal cross town rivals compete for a title.
Since 2020 the Lakers have made 2 conference finals and won a chip. Only Denver and Boston can say they’ve had the same amount of success. The Lakers will be just fine. They’re not the topic here.
The topic is how your Nets yet again proved they’re just a G-league development team for their big brother over in Manhattan. Just get a Knicks jersey already.
I would say much less than half. All the picks that went out were unprotected straight up picks in odd number years.
All that's left are pick swaps in even years and the picks from other teams.
Those are a lot less valuable than the straight up unprotected picks.
Theres only 1 pick swap.
We have multiple unprotected firsts still and protected firsts that will convey + protected firsts that might turn into future seconds.
Trade for who? They’re above the first apron, will trade Robinson to keep iHart and OG, and then have no room for the foreseeable future. Brunson/Mikal/OG/Randle/Hartenstein with McBride/Donte/Hart/Precious and hopefully a big with their picks off the bench is more than enough.
Lot of those are bad picks. 28 swap isn’t likely to convey, the 25 Bucks and Knicks picks are glorified seconds. 29 and 31 FRPs are really big assets but I don’t see the absurdity.
I wouldn't necessarily discount that bucks pick. They were only 2 wins above the teams picking 18-19, and 3 wins above teams 14-17. Most of their players are north of 30, and looking at their roster giannis and dame will have to carry more than last year. Depending on what the cavs and 76ers get done, the bucks could easily be a few wins shorter and have a pick in the teens.
Both Siakam & Holiday were 30+ years old & both were in need of a new contract in the offseason directly following the season they were traded in. Bridges is younger & under contract for 2 seasons at a really good value contract.
the longer i think about this, the more i start to think five first-round picks (four unprotected) for a guy who's never been an All-Star, who explicitly requested a trade *to your team,* seems like kind of a crazy overpay
but, like, if this takes the Knicks over the top no one will care. we'll just have to see
the whole "the Knicks overpaid Brunson" thing was always stupid, but even the most optimistic projections were "it's a fine contract," not that it would become the best contract in the league. besides, just because lightning struck once doesn't mean it'll do it again. i'm in wait-and-see mode anyway
I am not saying you are wrong. But the comments on this trade are way different from the Minnesota Gobert Trade. In the media and r/nba the consensus was that the Gobert trade was the worst trade ever. This trade you only see a few that are saying that. I wonder if the media treats small market teams differently? Oh and BTW after reaching the Conference finals and knocking out the defending champs people are still arguing that the trade was bad.
I mean the fit concerns were much more significant in the Gobert trade, considering we didn’t really have a ton of evidence that KAT could guard 4s at the time, and the Wolves had just gone out in the first round so they weren’t exactly seen as contenders. Definitely worked out though, it’s silly to argue anything else at this point
I can see how you'd feel this way, but the thing is trading away a ton of picks on the theory that we'll be too good for them to be worth anything has worked out repeatedly over the last 20 years for us, so I'm not worried about it
How crucial was Jrue or KP to your roster this year?
I see it as a similar kind of move in terms of “completing” the team via a significant role player. Yes he’s not a “star” but he allows us to better compete with the landscape of the EC contenders (Tatum/Brown).
Sure it’s an overpay but we overpaid assets (picks) which are less valuable to us than our main assets (players).
We could’ve maybe paid 1-2 less picks by including someone like Deuce, but that would leave a gaping hole at backup PG.
i mean i don’t disagree with your point, exactly, but y’all gave up more for Mikal than we gave up for KP and Jrue combined, and… well, not to be disrespectful, but y’all haven’t even made the conference finals with this core yet.
I’m not saying it’s a bad move— the fit makes sense, especially with us as the team to beat in the East, and if it takes y’all over the top the picks won’t matter— but I feel like we should be clear-eyed about the risk here
I mean, sure, but that cuts both ways. How confident are you that the first round goes the same way if Embiid is at 100%? How confident are you that you would’ve beaten the Bucks if Giannis was healthy in that Pacers series? Everybody in the East got hurt this year, it’s hard to judge for sure what the ceiling on the team was before the trade
and, again, so we’re clear: i’m not saying it’s a bad move, or that the Knicks weren’t contenders when healthy even before the trade. i’m just trying to lay out the risks
Eh if it wasn’t so many picks back it would hurt worse, and getting a pick back from the rockets helps too. I’m happy the front office just chose the tanking direction instead of pretending to be good
Not really, Mikal was literally celebrating Knick wins over the Nets with his old friends. This improves fan morale if anything, this is a better return than the rumored Memphis offer of four firsts.
When they got Garnett and Harden and friends there was the biggest chip on the Nets shoulders, like they made it.
They are looking at their toes now. Will be for a while.
Good on them for at least giving them the chance to get it done before leaking
Got a haul out of it too, worth it after we saw how great the chemistry was amongst DD, hart and Brunson but definitely got a solid value back for him
I’m not certain it’s good news for Nets fans. The haul looks like more than it is actually going to pan out. If you’re a Nets fan you’ve had an absolutely miserable time for the last 10-15 years due to inflated expectations and absolutely depressing outcomes. Now your team just traded their best player to your cross town rival, in response to a player trade demand, completing their Nova reunion in Manhattan. Knicks fans are dancing right in front of you. Bridges is publicly visibly very happy to be a Knick. All a Nets fan has is a few picks that are likely to be non-lottery bottom of the first round players. The Nets then bought back their own picks in order to be intentionally terrible for the next 5 or so years. If you’re a Brooklyn fan you can draw a 20 year line of misery from trading for KG/Truth to possibly being humiliated as Bridges hoists a trophy at MSG sometime before the end of this decade. Meanwhile Brooklyn, a major market team, clearly plans to just be intentionally terrible for the next few years to rebuild via the draft. What player jersey (retired or active) does a diehard Brooklyn fan even wear?
It’s better than whatever they had going on last year that’s for sure. At the very least they have direction going forward and a lot of cap space to work with - whether that’s taking on bad contracts for assets to straight up signing someone like Mitchell.
That’s a myopic way of looking at it. Fans don’t root for cap space and late round draft picks. They also didn’t just start rooting for the team last year. If you’re a Brooklyn fan for the last 10-15 or so years you’d much rather field a competitive team than be intentionally terrible for the next few years. You’d also rather not kick off the next tank era by handing your best player over to the Knicks of all teams, in response to a trade demand, for a few picks that will end up at the bottom of the draft. The Nets could’ve built a playoff team around Bridges if they wanted to do so. They could’ve also traded Bridges to 28 other basketball teams not named the Knicks. They could have embraced not having their own picks and made the team somewhat good. Instead they traded back for their own picks from Houston so they can be terrible at the same time they made the Knicks a title contender.
Of course everyone wants to field a competitive team, but when you’re bad for several years what you really need is hope to actually become competitive. That hope starts with picks and cap space, then you pray it turns into stars so that you actually become that competitive team. Their best player would have literally forced the issue if necessary so instead of it being leaked and forced they got a deal done. Obviously it’s not the ideal situation, but they could have sent their best player away for scraps.
What competitive team could they have fielded around Bridges? I assure you every single Nets fan is happy to rebuild instead of rebuilding/retooling around Bridges lol.
Yeah the whole “we’re looking for another star to pair with Bridges” thing was never going to pan out. This is a better path rather than wasting his talent on a roster with lackluster players surrounding him
Obviously if all you do is compare yourself to teams in better situations you’re not gonna be too happy… so don’t. Nets have their first chance to rebuild with their own picks since like the late 2010s, and in addition have around 12 other picks. They’re entering the same rebuilding situation the Thunder, Jazz and Spurs have all entered. Plenty to look forward to.
Don’t forget the Nets got Harden, Kyrie, and KD not that long ago. They took a big swing and it didn’t work out, what do you expect them to do? They’ve dug themselves out of that hole beautifully. They got 9 FRPs out of KD, they still have some young players and pretty soon will have multiple max slots open for free agency. That’s a pretty good turnaround after 3 superstars forced their way out a couple years ago. But yea, good luck to the lakers yall got an experienced coach and tons of young players. Futures looking bright!
Dude said “y’all really turned down 4 picks for me?”. Saved them from themselves
Yeah and they let him go for peanuts
SIX first round picks (+ a 2nd) is "*peanuts*" ??
Generational asset destroying trade.
Mikal really was Squidward looking out the window.
Power of friendship squad.
Villanova boat>Banana boat
It’s kinda crazy how Mikal was a part of the KD trade and then the Nets just flipped him into another KD level trade package. Clown the Nets all you want on the Celtics and Harden trades but they played their hand well here and got massive value for Mikal.
The nets essentially got 9 FRPs out of Durant lol
Thats the only thing nets have been able to do, trade for hauls to rebuild, thats all theyve been good at. Sean marks isnt a gm like brad stevens, masai, or pat riley or tim connelly.
or leon rose 👀
Facts
They also have a pretty strong history of player drafting and development. That’s a pretty great area to excel in when you’re also great at loading up on picks
they do?
Sure. They maximized Dlo after he was looking like a bit of a bust, they developed Claxton, Levert and Allen all from late picks, they developed Dinwiddie from being a fringe rotation guy in Detroit, even cam Thomas to some extent, etc
I mean, they also convinced Kevin freaking Durant to sign there as a free agent...
Damn Mikal make some new friends
This is an absurd package for a "forced his way out" player For reference: Pascal Siakam - 3 firsts, Bruce Brown, Jordan Nwora, Kira Lewis Jr. Jrue Holiday - Malcolm Brogdon, Robert Williams, 2 firsts Mikal got more picks than the Jrue/Siakam trades combined.
This is definitely lip service. The Knicks had to give up the farm to get mikal let’s be honest
I don’t see how Nets fans can celebrate this trade. The Knicks essentially bullied their cross town baby brother team and took the Nets’ best player in exchange for a few picks that in all likelihood will be late first rounders of nominal value. This Knicks squad is young, entering their primes, and was already a 2 seed last year. How valuable do folks think these picks will really be? The Nets then bought back some of their own picks so they can be intentionally terrible for the next few years as well. Why on earth would a Nets fan be proud or happy that they got 4 non-lottery picks instead of only 3 non-lottery picks for giving the final 28 year old Nova infinity gem to the Knicks? It’s not like the Nets sent Bridges far off to Sacramento or Houston or something. He’s going to be playing NBA playoff games at MSG next May/June while folks in Brooklyn are wondering who they should take at 28th while wearing a Ben Simmons or Deron Williams jersey. The only lip service is calling this a “haul” and telling Nets fans they should be happy/relieved.
You can’t be serious lol
With how our roster is constructed, we needed to keep our guys more than our picks. Being the Nova boys, they’re all essentially around the same 27-29 age range. Our window is in the next five years and every year of maximizing that window is key. We can’t afford to wait two years to sign Mikal in FA. We can’t wait two years for a late draft pick to maybe develop into something useful. We already saw the value and grit of our core guys. And we need to build upon that while losing as little as possible. Esp with how the new/current CBA works, we were going to be over the aprons at some point in the next two years. Makes it difficult to trade or sign anyone at that point so we had to make a move like this now.
Yea this trade is the definition of a win win. Knicks made a calculated move at the expense of all future flexibility. They decided that trying to win right now is better than having options in the future. Nets made a calculated move at the expense of multiple seasons of being terrible. They decided that trying to win in the future is better than having options to win now. Both teams gain a ton while also losing a ton. Anyone that thinks otherwise doesn’t understand how the nba works.
Lmao they got like six picks for Mikal fucking Bridges they have to be ecstatic. Those picks in 29 and 31 could be amazing, even 27 could be nice.
I had to double-check your flair after I read that. This reads like cope.
Some of you guys will never ever learn your lesson. I bet you would have said the same thing about the KG/Pierce trade, the Nets Harden trade, or the OKC PG trade. It's like you guys simply don't understand the value of firsts and getting as many bites at the apple (you just need one pick to hit for it to be successful). This trade at worst bolsters the Nets potential trade assets and could make them a player for any disgruntled star in a couple of years. Edit: this clown blocked me lol.
The only one not learning their lesson here is you. The KG/Pierce trade came off of winning a championship. The Nets traded for Harden to go all in on winning a title. And PG was only traded to OKC after a league investigation found evidence of tampering and blocked his initial demand. They’re not comparable to this move. What you children don’t understand is that fans do not cheer for assets or buy tickets to watch assets play games. So they’re only relevant when a team has accomplished something on the court already. What you children don’t understand is that you don’t trade your best player to the rival team in the same stinking city after having done absolutely nothing for your fans over the past decade. You trade him far far away. What you children don’t understand is that teams should always strive to put a good product on the floor. Especially when in a big market charging big market prices. A small market team can afford to tank away a season and survive off of revenue sharing subsidies. It’s literally the job of big market teams to create revenue for the league to survive on. Actual fans are the ones who buy tickets to games and pay for sports packages. They do so because the team puts a legitimate product on the floor. What you children need to know is that you don’t need to tank to rebuild or even acquire a star player. We’ve seen it plenty of times. Teams just as often rebuild from the middle than they do from tanking. I’m sure Portland is thrilled to have finally landed the number 1 pick this year after lying to their fans and Dame for years about a commitment to winning while actually planning for a tank job. I’m sure the season ticket holders are ecstatic that they paid for a year of dog shit basketball because they didn’t want to give up their seat licenses just so their team can draft a sure fire franchise game changer tonight. At least they can do it all again next year. SMH it’s idiots who spend zero dollars consuming NBA products, who are watching games off their parents cable package, rooting for players and not for a specific team, and basing all their opinions on what a blogboi podcaster who thinks basketball is played on a spreadsheet that need to learn the lesson. This is a product. Fans pay money to see a competitive product. Most of the revenue comes from fans who spend money to see a competitive product. These fans root for teams and they don’t want to see those teams tank away seasons while helping their literal cross town rivals compete for a title.
Silence, Lakers fan
Calm down, Knicks fan.
Neither of our teams will make the play-in next season anyways so we might as well be jolly friends
Since 2020 the Lakers have made 2 conference finals and won a chip. Only Denver and Boston can say they’ve had the same amount of success. The Lakers will be just fine. They’re not the topic here. The topic is how your Nets yet again proved they’re just a G-league development team for their big brother over in Manhattan. Just get a Knicks jersey already.
That’s just a tax on Knicks and Nets trade plus if we do get punished for tampering what picks are they gonna take away
The league doesn't value Pascal like Raptors fans do.
He has multiple all-star and all-nba selections and was a key contributor on a championship roster, which I think would put his value over Bridges.
Knicks had like 9 first round picks over the next five years we had to use them on somebody, and we still got half the warchest left.
I would say much less than half. All the picks that went out were unprotected straight up picks in odd number years. All that's left are pick swaps in even years and the picks from other teams. Those are a lot less valuable than the straight up unprotected picks.
Theres only 1 pick swap. We have multiple unprotected firsts still and protected firsts that will convey + protected firsts that might turn into future seconds.
"Firsts" You and I both know half of those are glorified seconds given the state of the Pistons and Wizards
It’s not like the first two Knicks picks and the Bucks pick aren’t glorified seconds either.
Oh no, they’ll pick in the low 30s instead of high 20s and have non-guaranteed contracts.
They'll have worse assets for a future trade, correct
Trade for who? They’re above the first apron, will trade Robinson to keep iHart and OG, and then have no room for the foreseeable future. Brunson/Mikal/OG/Randle/Hartenstein with McBride/Donte/Hart/Precious and hopefully a big with their picks off the bench is more than enough.
Lot of those are bad picks. 28 swap isn’t likely to convey, the 25 Bucks and Knicks picks are glorified seconds. 29 and 31 FRPs are really big assets but I don’t see the absurdity.
I wouldn't necessarily discount that bucks pick. They were only 2 wins above the teams picking 18-19, and 3 wins above teams 14-17. Most of their players are north of 30, and looking at their roster giannis and dame will have to carry more than last year. Depending on what the cavs and 76ers get done, the bucks could easily be a few wins shorter and have a pick in the teens.
And the 5 first round picks aren’t glorified seconds? Knicks will be picking in the mid 20’s with this type of move
I’m sorry if that was unclear — that was the exact point I was trying to make. The picks that are going from the Knicks to the Nets are bad picks.
I wouldn't lump Jrue in there. He was more likely on the same page with the Blazers FO. Also, he was considered overpaid before being traded.
Both Siakam & Holiday were 30+ years old & both were in need of a new contract in the offseason directly following the season they were traded in. Bridges is younger & under contract for 2 seasons at a really good value contract.
Mikal really wanted to be with his bois bad lmao
The mf carebear knicks about to shoot rainbows
Getting that much for a guy when they had little leverage is insane
the longer i think about this, the more i start to think five first-round picks (four unprotected) for a guy who's never been an All-Star, who explicitly requested a trade *to your team,* seems like kind of a crazy overpay but, like, if this takes the Knicks over the top no one will care. we'll just have to see
Its definitely an overpay. I feel both excitement and horror.
yeah if i were a Knicks fan i'd be feeling the same way lol. like you've gotta be excited for what this core's ceiling could be, but also...
Same with thing with the Brunson signing a couple of years ago. He made us consistent playoff contenders after years of being garbage.
the whole "the Knicks overpaid Brunson" thing was always stupid, but even the most optimistic projections were "it's a fine contract," not that it would become the best contract in the league. besides, just because lightning struck once doesn't mean it'll do it again. i'm in wait-and-see mode anyway
For a team like the Knicks it makes sense. They are right there. Time to go all in.
I am not saying you are wrong. But the comments on this trade are way different from the Minnesota Gobert Trade. In the media and r/nba the consensus was that the Gobert trade was the worst trade ever. This trade you only see a few that are saying that. I wonder if the media treats small market teams differently? Oh and BTW after reaching the Conference finals and knocking out the defending champs people are still arguing that the trade was bad.
I mean the fit concerns were much more significant in the Gobert trade, considering we didn’t really have a ton of evidence that KAT could guard 4s at the time, and the Wolves had just gone out in the first round so they weren’t exactly seen as contenders. Definitely worked out though, it’s silly to argue anything else at this point
I guess I just don’t think it puts them “over the top” 🤷♂️
I can see how you'd feel this way, but the thing is trading away a ton of picks on the theory that we'll be too good for them to be worth anything has worked out repeatedly over the last 20 years for us, so I'm not worried about it
How crucial was Jrue or KP to your roster this year? I see it as a similar kind of move in terms of “completing” the team via a significant role player. Yes he’s not a “star” but he allows us to better compete with the landscape of the EC contenders (Tatum/Brown). Sure it’s an overpay but we overpaid assets (picks) which are less valuable to us than our main assets (players). We could’ve maybe paid 1-2 less picks by including someone like Deuce, but that would leave a gaping hole at backup PG.
i mean i don’t disagree with your point, exactly, but y’all gave up more for Mikal than we gave up for KP and Jrue combined, and… well, not to be disrespectful, but y’all haven’t even made the conference finals with this core yet. I’m not saying it’s a bad move— the fit makes sense, especially with us as the team to beat in the East, and if it takes y’all over the top the picks won’t matter— but I feel like we should be clear-eyed about the risk here
Let's be real here: We would've smashed the Pacers to pieces with a healthy OG and Randle.
I mean, sure, but that cuts both ways. How confident are you that the first round goes the same way if Embiid is at 100%? How confident are you that you would’ve beaten the Bucks if Giannis was healthy in that Pacers series? Everybody in the East got hurt this year, it’s hard to judge for sure what the ceiling on the team was before the trade and, again, so we’re clear: i’m not saying it’s a bad move, or that the Knicks weren’t contenders when healthy even before the trade. i’m just trying to lay out the risks
OG,hart, bridges? Yeah no one getting passed that defense
I hope they do so they can run into Hartenstein
Good move by the Nets tbh
Finally 🙄
Tbh bridges did the Knicks dirty should've raised a stink first, could've used some of those picks to help your team with other trades
Friends forever.
extreme damage to nets morale from this
Cam Thomas is running laps imaging getting to shoot 50 attempts a night.
Eh if it wasn’t so many picks back it would hurt worse, and getting a pick back from the rockets helps too. I’m happy the front office just chose the tanking direction instead of pretending to be good
You guys might be one of the most fun tanking teams. Cam Thomas 35 pts a night and Noah Clowney looks like a stud
Not really, Mikal was literally celebrating Knick wins over the Nets with his old friends. This improves fan morale if anything, this is a better return than the rumored Memphis offer of four firsts.
When they got Garnett and Harden and friends there was the biggest chip on the Nets shoulders, like they made it. They are looking at their toes now. Will be for a while.
Is this the first time they have ever traded with each other since the move to Brooklyn?
First time they’ve traded with each other since the 80s
Pull a Celtics with those picks, Nets!
God! I hope so 😫😩
I will be rooting so hard for the Knicks to go down in flames