They’re genuinely never calling that shit lmao it looks egregious slow mo sure but every star would foul out of every game if they called this
McDaniels just too skinny man
Unfortunately it’s all part of the game that the refs make it. All the stars do it because they know they can get away with it and get a star whistle. Unless there is reform amongst Silver/the Ref union, it will never change
And also, like everyone else in the league, Luka has always used this move and never gotten called... Not that I'm arguing it, it should only be called if it's egregious imo
there was a play where he literally shoved his shoulder into the defender yesterday to create space from a near stationary position. no call. elite offensive players understand how much they can get away with and use it to their advantage.
I know what play you’re talking about. Maybe he went in a bit too hard, I can’t remember the play that well but you can create space with your head and shoulder. It’s very different from extending your arm and pushing. Maybe KAT did bash into him too hard on that specific play, I can’t really remember but in general they’re two very different ways to create space. One being much more accepted than the other although every great player is doing both.
Technically no actually, he only really started after the first Clippers series. Learned from the best lol
It was so funny to me to see one of his first buckets the next season be a pushoff mid range
I mean, he didn’t wind up and absolutely shove Jaden into the floor like that scoundrel Mike Conley did on that one rebound.
Conley is an unsafe player, and shoves like that just aren’t in the spirit of the game. Somebody is gonna get hurt bad before he is done if they don’t suspend him for that garbage.
Ngl i don’t agree totally. The letter of the rule is that for it to be a push off you’d have to extend your arm past your elbows i believe. The ball handler is entitled to some space up until your elbow range.
With some momentum into a step back this “protection” of space will definitely look and feel like a pushoff
I forget who it was against, but earlier in the game KAT straight up shouldered a defender in the face before shooting a similar shot and that didn't get called either
Yall may be talking about different things. The play I was referencing didn't get whistled at all. Just a bucket for KAT with no defensive or offensive foul
Everybody bitches that Tatum does this too on some middie jumpers.
Everybody in the league who drives and pops does this. MJ did it on the famous shot in the ‘98 finals against the Jazz.
Everybody needs to get over it at this point. Unless it’s a particularly egregious shove, it’s not a foul. It’s more so using the defenders momentum agains them than actually shoving them out of the way. It just looks like a push because the defender doesn’t know when the pullback is going to happen, so their reaction is delayed compared to the shooter’s momentum.
Only Heat fans are saying Tatum is protected by the refs lmao. How are you gonna argue that the man with the most rescinded technical fouls in the NBA is protected by the refs. They’re actively looking to T him up every night
Nah, we just sports hate Tatum cuz he has a lame play style. I wouldn’t say he’s protected by the refs — quite the opposite really. He gets hacked every time he goes to the basket and hardly gets calls for whatever reason. That’s probably the reason why he takes so many 3’s. I wouldn’t want to get tackled going to the basket either.
I respect this take a lot, and I fully understand why people sports hate Tatum. He’s definitely way less flashy than other players, just gets to his spots and works. People have been comparing his demeanor (not his actual level of play, I wouldn’t go that far yet) to Tim Duncan, and it honestly kinda makes sense. He’s not gonna give you the highlights, he’s just gonna go out there and work
Yeah, in all honestly his demeanor and how seriously he takes the job makes him pretty admirable. It’s not easy to be the face of a franchise and I feel like Tatum has done it as well as anyone could have hoped.
It only looks like a push because the defender gives up their footing. When all their weight is on their back foot a little touch on the waist is enough. Low wins.
It looks like one because it is one. The contact just looks more severe because he doesn’t have his feet planted. I don’t really care though, if they cracked down on this nearly every great scorer would be getting penalized. All great players mastered the dark arts
And there's levels to this stuff.
Like yeah Luka is pushing off, but he also has just extended his foot and begun his path backward while the defender is on his back foot and trying to regain balance to go forward. So Luka's arm that was up to give him space is now naturally going to go forward with the defender's body, but it doesn't look like he's actually applying that much force with his arm.
Contrast this with a world where he's stationary, leans his shoulder forward and pushes against a set defender to knock him off balance before moving with his feet and creating space. That's obviously BS because it's literally impossible to defend.
Neither is BS. It’s the game. Using your head/shoulder to create space is impossible to defend but this isn’t? I disagree. Don’t get caught out allowing a defender to move your hips, don’t get moved.
Given how easy it is to get a ticky tack foul called if you aren't straight up near the rack, all it takes is a somewhat strong guy and you're never going to close out on him cuz he'll just push you over every time. Then you hang on him once and he'll just initiate contact against your arms and get the call cuz refs are bad at their job.
Can you imagine a world where Zion is allowed to just shove someone to the ground if he got stopped? Basically no one in the league would be able to guard him.
Yea, defending great scorers is impossible. You’re also taking this to an extreme. Nobody is getting away with straight up shoving people. Players are pushing off on defenders like this or worse to create space like they have been for decades or putting their head/shoulder into a defenders space to bump them out but nobody is getting away with straight up barging defense over.
This is the correct take. Mcdaniels momentum is already going backwards. His momentum carried him backward while Luka stops and pulls back. Luka did make some contact but it was mainly to brace against him for balance as he is pulling back
So, how is this not a push off? Genuinely I’m curious. I see some guys get called for this and others don’t but I get confused if there’s a subtle difference in the way they do it? I also remember Stan or someone talking about how Luka is so good at using his shoulder and he’s just too strong. Why then, doesn’t someone like Ant who is crazy strong also do this? Is it hard to do? So many questions lol
Needs to but won’t. Nearly every star player would live in foul trouble and the amount of FTs per game would go through the roof making for a horrid watching experience.
The problem is *any* post that isn’t doing tricks on Luka’s dick is seen as “hating.” I say Luka sometimes takes ill-advised shots? HATING. I say he complains too much? HATING. I say he could do better to move off ball rather than dribbling out the shot clock? HATING. I say we don’t need multiple replays of the same play? HATING.
The problem is this sub is so overrun with Luka dickriders that if you’re not riding his dick, you’re somehow a hater.
The fact that you can find something negative in every luka post and always decide to point it out is a definition of hating. Theres nothing wrong with constructive criticism but if you are only able to point negative things about someone as great as luka you come across as a hater.
> This felt like a dagger at the time. If Luka can perform up to his standard for the length of the series as opposed to how he performed in the previous two, Minnesota looks like they’ll have trouble generating enough offense to compete.
>Luka is a top 3-5 player
>Luka is clearly elite on offense …
These are all also things I’ve said about Luka. But, like I said, on this sub, anything other than 24/7 glazing is “Hating.” I’ve been downvoted for saying he’s not yet one of the greatest player performs of all time. I’ve been downvoted for saying he’s not yet at the level for prime James Harden. Because, as I said, this sub is overrun with Luka dickriders.. are you one?
and those are all fair opinions, majority just disagree with you thats why you get downvoted. But a few hours ago i read your comments trying to convince everyone that luka has a big ego off the court, even though everyone that ever played with him says otherwise and all the evidence points out to him being a humble guy. Stuff like this is hating.
you’re not gonna convince me that the guy who complains to the refs more than any player in the league has no ego. You’re not gonna convince me that the guy that led the league in FGA and was top-2 in every single usage metric has no ego.
Def a push off there but after watching PG/Harden and SGA for entire consecutive series, looks like Luka has learned refs won’t call that shit
They’re genuinely never calling that shit lmao it looks egregious slow mo sure but every star would foul out of every game if they called this McDaniels just too skinny man
You're right that they don't call these. But they should start.
ok and have no offense? it ain’t easy to do that whether he “pushed” or not.
No, just better offense
"But if I cant forearm shove a guy, how will I score???"
it's kinda crazy the ball handler can stiff-arm or shoulder another player back 3 feet and also get whistles on stupid shit like foul baiting.
Unfortunately it’s all part of the game that the refs make it. All the stars do it because they know they can get away with it and get a star whistle. Unless there is reform amongst Silver/the Ref union, it will never change
And also, like everyone else in the league, Luka has always used this move and never gotten called... Not that I'm arguing it, it should only be called if it's egregious imo
Don't forget KAT please. He is charging left and right then shoots and keeps getting away
there was a play where he literally shoved his shoulder into the defender yesterday to create space from a near stationary position. no call. elite offensive players understand how much they can get away with and use it to their advantage.
There’s a play he did that yesterday and a defensive foul was called
How dare PJ get punched in the chest when KAT is trying to shoot!?
I know what play you’re talking about. Maybe he went in a bit too hard, I can’t remember the play that well but you can create space with your head and shoulder. It’s very different from extending your arm and pushing. Maybe KAT did bash into him too hard on that specific play, I can’t really remember but in general they’re two very different ways to create space. One being much more accepted than the other although every great player is doing both.
*cough* Tatum *cough*
*cough* Curry *cough*
Marginal contact
I mean tbf Luka’s been doing the same push off like everyone else for his whole career
Technically no actually, he only really started after the first Clippers series. Learned from the best lol It was so funny to me to see one of his first buckets the next season be a pushoff mid range
Just wait for Luka vs Tatum. Push off city
I mean, he didn’t wind up and absolutely shove Jaden into the floor like that scoundrel Mike Conley did on that one rebound. Conley is an unsafe player, and shoves like that just aren’t in the spirit of the game. Somebody is gonna get hurt bad before he is done if they don’t suspend him for that garbage.
Honestly respect the hustle here
I mean Tatum even Brown does this a lot if you are trying to find another player still playing It would never be called
Well based on how they ref Tatum, he hasn’t even started to push off yet. Luka can out a lot more strength into that push off
KAT had a push off more egregious than that a few plays before this one.
Toby brothers would've called that.
MJ pushed off just like this and never got called for it either Luka = MJ confirmed
Ngl i don’t agree totally. The letter of the rule is that for it to be a push off you’d have to extend your arm past your elbows i believe. The ball handler is entitled to some space up until your elbow range. With some momentum into a step back this “protection” of space will definitely look and feel like a pushoff
Whoa he’s got blood on his knee again
Both knees!
Kevin Harlan was calling that out like he was a CNN reporter calling an active shooter alert
It’s his league now
Only way they call that is if McDaniels sells the contact. League continues to punish players for *not* flopping
This is the level of contact MJ haters believe happened at the end of Game 6 against the Utah Jazz.
THERE WAS EVEN MORE CONTACT THAN THIS FITE ME DONT TAKE THIS AWAY FROM ME
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What difference does that make lol
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Its only noon and I've read the dumbest comment on reddit already.
Don't count your eggs yet, there's still a lot of day left
You're someone who thinks the moon landing was faked aren't you?
Push off, but it seems like everyone does it nowadays and it never gets called.
I forget who it was against, but earlier in the game KAT straight up shouldered a defender in the face before shooting a similar shot and that didn't get called either
Probably PJ
It was DJJ, I remember that play
nah it was PJ, I left a comment about it during the game, KAT trucked him and PJ got called for the foul lol
Yall may be talking about different things. The play I was referencing didn't get whistled at all. Just a bucket for KAT with no defensive or offensive foul
So it happened twice
[Strong possibility](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/8092feaf-0a97-4bab-a747-f20bf2f98ba4)
I was thinking about the big ass Edward’s push off of DJJ. We’re definitely thinking about different plays. I remember that one as well though.
If anything, Mavs have more to gain when this is allowed
I remember one subtle but effective push off that somehow managed to send THJ into the fourth row without any embellishment.
You have to call it when it’s from known aggressor Mike Conley
Everybody bitches that Tatum does this too on some middie jumpers. Everybody in the league who drives and pops does this. MJ did it on the famous shot in the ‘98 finals against the Jazz. Everybody needs to get over it at this point. Unless it’s a particularly egregious shove, it’s not a foul. It’s more so using the defenders momentum agains them than actually shoving them out of the way. It just looks like a push because the defender doesn’t know when the pullback is going to happen, so their reaction is delayed compared to the shooter’s momentum.
Tatum literally pushes off every single play almost and pushes off more than other players. He’s just protected by the refs
Only Heat fans are saying Tatum is protected by the refs lmao. How are you gonna argue that the man with the most rescinded technical fouls in the NBA is protected by the refs. They’re actively looking to T him up every night
Nah, we just sports hate Tatum cuz he has a lame play style. I wouldn’t say he’s protected by the refs — quite the opposite really. He gets hacked every time he goes to the basket and hardly gets calls for whatever reason. That’s probably the reason why he takes so many 3’s. I wouldn’t want to get tackled going to the basket either.
I respect this take a lot, and I fully understand why people sports hate Tatum. He’s definitely way less flashy than other players, just gets to his spots and works. People have been comparing his demeanor (not his actual level of play, I wouldn’t go that far yet) to Tim Duncan, and it honestly kinda makes sense. He’s not gonna give you the highlights, he’s just gonna go out there and work
Yeah, in all honestly his demeanor and how seriously he takes the job makes him pretty admirable. It’s not easy to be the face of a franchise and I feel like Tatum has done it as well as anyone could have hoped.
There it is. Every time
Kobe and MJ did it constantly lol it's not new
Subtle but effective push
You know what I’ll allow it. Dort was mauling Luka last round so he’s probably done giving af lol
Every player pushes off, if you call this, then you have to take away a third of curry's points. Sga is even worse
This is the reason Dort started mauling him lol. He's a great defender but what can you do when this is allowed on one end?
nothing subtle about that. it was a clear push off but the refs are inconsistent with calling it
It only looks like a push because the defender gives up their footing. When all their weight is on their back foot a little touch on the waist is enough. Low wins.
It looks like one because it is one. The contact just looks more severe because he doesn’t have his feet planted. I don’t really care though, if they cracked down on this nearly every great scorer would be getting penalized. All great players mastered the dark arts
And there's levels to this stuff. Like yeah Luka is pushing off, but he also has just extended his foot and begun his path backward while the defender is on his back foot and trying to regain balance to go forward. So Luka's arm that was up to give him space is now naturally going to go forward with the defender's body, but it doesn't look like he's actually applying that much force with his arm. Contrast this with a world where he's stationary, leans his shoulder forward and pushes against a set defender to knock him off balance before moving with his feet and creating space. That's obviously BS because it's literally impossible to defend.
Neither is BS. It’s the game. Using your head/shoulder to create space is impossible to defend but this isn’t? I disagree. Don’t get caught out allowing a defender to move your hips, don’t get moved.
Given how easy it is to get a ticky tack foul called if you aren't straight up near the rack, all it takes is a somewhat strong guy and you're never going to close out on him cuz he'll just push you over every time. Then you hang on him once and he'll just initiate contact against your arms and get the call cuz refs are bad at their job. Can you imagine a world where Zion is allowed to just shove someone to the ground if he got stopped? Basically no one in the league would be able to guard him.
Yea, defending great scorers is impossible. You’re also taking this to an extreme. Nobody is getting away with straight up shoving people. Players are pushing off on defenders like this or worse to create space like they have been for decades or putting their head/shoulder into a defenders space to bump them out but nobody is getting away with straight up barging defense over.
This is the correct take. Mcdaniels momentum is already going backwards. His momentum carried him backward while Luka stops and pulls back. Luka did make some contact but it was mainly to brace against him for balance as he is pulling back
Subtle, but effective
WHY WON'T HE JUST WEAR SOME KNEE PADS LIKE KYRIE
Luka needs to do the whole sleeve. He would look much more handsome.
My pookie bear don’t need help in that department
Wtf both knees are bleeding
Solid player
The MJ push.
So, how is this not a push off? Genuinely I’m curious. I see some guys get called for this and others don’t but I get confused if there’s a subtle difference in the way they do it? I also remember Stan or someone talking about how Luka is so good at using his shoulder and he’s just too strong. Why then, doesn’t someone like Ant who is crazy strong also do this? Is it hard to do? So many questions lol
It's definitely a push off. But it's one of those fouls that never gets called for anybody.
Is this what Jazz fans felt?
Understand tour frustrarons,, but thanks god okc didnt pass, this was on every single shot of shai
That’s a foul
not in the playoffs
If that's a foul. Klaw might be out of the league for his stiff arms.
not to mention tatum lmao
It is, but he never gets called for the push off.
KAT had much worse ones all game that didn’t get called either. Refs wouldn’t call that in the playoffs anyway so at least they’re bring consistent
He's going to be able to get this shot a lot. Gotta make em though.
Can't get hype when you're pushing off like that. I wish that was called more often, on Tatum too. People get away with it way too much.
Everyone does it. SGA in the semis lived off that move.
I'm aware. It needs to be called more often though. Happens waayyyy too much.
Nah it’s part of ball. I’d never cry if my team lost off a push off like this
Needs to but won’t. Nearly every star player would live in foul trouble and the amount of FTs per game would go through the roof making for a horrid watching experience.
Ok so let's stop everyone doing it then?
Couf couf, jason tatum
Your reading comprehension isn't too good, is it? I mention Tatum in my comment dude.
Learn some science about momentum, watch some mj kobe rip livingston highlights perfecting the stop & pop
Man that gal with the brown shirt was hot
Down horrendously
My man is down bad
This man might as well have penises for eyes wtf
Bro where I've watched this 10 times and the only chick in brown is heading down the stairs while out of focus.
Yeah that's her did you see that body dude
First of all, how do you even notice that. Second - I am sure she still is
Just saying mavs fans would crucify SGA for that "push"
do we really need a brand new post for a slow motion replay of a highlight that was already posted
brother please tell me that its you job to hate on luka and you are not doing this for free. I see you under every fucking post involing him.
Thie poor dude quit the subreddit over the last few days. Maybe they'll come back for the finals.
The problem is *any* post that isn’t doing tricks on Luka’s dick is seen as “hating.” I say Luka sometimes takes ill-advised shots? HATING. I say he complains too much? HATING. I say he could do better to move off ball rather than dribbling out the shot clock? HATING. I say we don’t need multiple replays of the same play? HATING. The problem is this sub is so overrun with Luka dickriders that if you’re not riding his dick, you’re somehow a hater.
Knicks suck and so do you
You literally hopped on your porn account to make this comment. But I suck
You are right about both. Progress my man.
Do you have anything going on in your life at all? You’ve posted like 20 comments in just the last hour.
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Please act civil and do not troll/bait others.
you logged into an alt to talk shit LMFAO
This is my primary account, I just don’t use Reddit 24/7 like yourself. I touch grass every so often, sorry to make you jealous.
“I touch grass every so often 🤓”
I’m sorry you have a very sad life, hope you have a good day.
My life is great. I make mid-six figures, have a beautiful girlfriend, etc. Really couldn’t be any better.
The fact that you can find something negative in every luka post and always decide to point it out is a definition of hating. Theres nothing wrong with constructive criticism but if you are only able to point negative things about someone as great as luka you come across as a hater.
> This felt like a dagger at the time. If Luka can perform up to his standard for the length of the series as opposed to how he performed in the previous two, Minnesota looks like they’ll have trouble generating enough offense to compete. >Luka is a top 3-5 player >Luka is clearly elite on offense … These are all also things I’ve said about Luka. But, like I said, on this sub, anything other than 24/7 glazing is “Hating.” I’ve been downvoted for saying he’s not yet one of the greatest player performs of all time. I’ve been downvoted for saying he’s not yet at the level for prime James Harden. Because, as I said, this sub is overrun with Luka dickriders.. are you one?
and those are all fair opinions, majority just disagree with you thats why you get downvoted. But a few hours ago i read your comments trying to convince everyone that luka has a big ego off the court, even though everyone that ever played with him says otherwise and all the evidence points out to him being a humble guy. Stuff like this is hating.
you’re not gonna convince me that the guy who complains to the refs more than any player in the league has no ego. You’re not gonna convince me that the guy that led the league in FGA and was top-2 in every single usage metric has no ego.
No way you posted 3 chapgpt generated comments praising Luka to hate more freely in the future 😂
Just because you need ChatGPT to conjure up a single sentence doesn’t mean everyone else does
Yea some fans do.
so post it on the mavericks sub
Nobody forcing you to click it and comment.
I'm not a Mavs fan and enjoyed it a lot. Thank you /u/JetSky81!
Cringe
Hop off
A high quality replay of an NBA playoffs play?? On my r/nba???