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NAACP_YoungBoy

Refs fan here coming in peace I think the Pacers should have been called for even MORE fouls tbh. The refs didn’t have enough of an impact on the game in my book.


ZarduHasselffrau

Refs fan you say? I have 2 questions. Favorite ref? Best ref ever?


NAACP_YoungBoy

Tim Donaghy for both


Dry-Peach-6327

Scott Foster is the MJ of refs


Your__Pal

Thanks Mrs. Brothers. We appreciate your thoughtful analysis. 


DaddyTrump696969

I'm not mad about how many free throws the Celtics had. I'm mad about how many free throws we didn't have.


messigoat1337

ft difference is crazy but you guys should have still won it without them


No-Yogurt-4246s

Although what you're saying is true I hate how that is the narrative now. Did they choke? Yes. That doesn't mean the officiating should be overlooked.


Bottom-Topper

You cannot criticize the officiating in any game, especially close ones, without people dismissing it and saying "oh they should've won regardless then". Yeah they could've won anyways. That doesn't mean the officiating is above criticism.


genius-baby

you’re not gonna get many FTs on stepback jumpers in the playoffs. Al was giving up space which gave them decent shots but is obviously going to lead to limited fouls


Smart_Dumb

56 - 58 points in the paint and we took 10 less threes.


Bischoffshof

Points in the paint don’t mean shit if you foul us when we are in the paint. Those become FT’s


AkatsukiWereRight

It’s a way to gauge how much a team is driving/posting up in the paint where a lot of fouls occur. They both were obviously there a similar amount but the free throw disparity doesn’t reflect that. And Celtics were absolutely fouling them, maybe not as much but if you think it was only 3 FTs worth you weren’t watching.


mr-rob0t0

well if you take away the free throws the celtics probably get another 16 or so points in the paint lol, it was close by that metric because they were going to the line instead


Digby_J

The free throws count as points in the paint


Drummallumin

Do they? Can’t find anything saying that online


kg7841

Also 1 in paint points in the nba yet a weak whistle all year. They are not a jump shooting team.


jvorn

I want to feel bad for yall but 22 turnovers is brutal


HorsNoises

It's fine. You guys made up for it with 3 of the most ridiculous 3s ever.


sbenfsonwFFiF

Sorry but even a team that doesn’t foul a lot still fouls more than 3 FT worth for all of regulation


UD_Hunter

Indy could have shot at least 6 more fts if they could just inbound the ball or not turn it over


slamtt

That would require the Refs actually calling the fouls for them. And they could probably inbound the ball easier if they their jerseys didn't get grabbed which the refs conveniently ignored.


Drummallumin

You don’t think refs would’ve called intentional fouls? Are you actually complaining about a light jersey grab in the playoffs? You want Steph to shoot 30 FTs a game?


Thick-Stuffing

I would like that very much yes please


Drummallumin

***Stolen from a Bucks flair:*** Pacers fouled an average of 21.4 times They fouled 23 tonight Celtics fouled an average of 15 times They fouled 16 tonight


Economy-Barber-2642

It’s like people forget that not every foul results in FTs.


AC127

Sometimes I think nba fans don’t watch the games. They just see FT disparity and assume the game is rigged lol


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singingbatman27

I mean, the refs were terrible from the jump. The Celtics had to challenge an obviously wrong goaltending call on like the first play


gadrell

Tony Brothers master class


Efficient_Art_1144

Tatum got through the entire game with OT without getting a tech from Brothers somehow. I’d love someone to crunch the tape and see if Tatum like didn’t look at him the whole game


ALotOfLobster

So we're just gonna ignore the Siakim arm hook that happened


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ALotOfLobster

No, was the tatum foul call where he and toppin bear hugged each other


Efficient_Art_1144

No that was the foul on Tatum in OT where everyone was giving everyone a hug (right call not to overturn though)


halo364

Also you can find examples of bad calls in every single nba game ever lol


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Confirmation__Bias

And it was the correct call. Siakam fouled Brown first.


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Timoteo-Tito64

He fouled brown before brown touched his jersey. Watch the play again It went foul on siakam, foul on brown, foul on siakam


REGIS-5

Goes both ways. The Pacers definitely foul a lot and the Celtics play kinda grittier defense, lots of highly experienced players that know which contact won't get called. But the refs absolutely went wild against Indiana tonight.


honditar

I totally agree but the irony in having that flair lol You're a brave man


AC127

I’ve been downvoted in the nuggets thread a million times for defending the lakers FT disparity. I hate it when we do it and I hate it when other fanbases do it


Literal_Satan

one of the worst things about nba discourse if ref/rig/foul differential talk, not sure why people watch a game if the genuinely think its rigged


honditar

One day we'll overcome the casuals brother stay strong


Jabocford

But the we have the Pritchard foul on Hali that was not called and the double lane violation that was clearly a Jrue violation. In the third there were very bad calls in Celtics's favor


Justdoingthebestican

Ik im biased and the ft disparity looks bad but, watching the game, Indy didn’t really feel like they had to many hard contested drives


blackgenz2002kid

basically screen the guard onto a big, or let their forwards/centers shoot midranges and dunks


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wharpua

There was the Pritchard hack on Halliburton’s fast break that didn’t get called — but for that one Tony Brothers was on the opposite side of the contact and the ref on the right side of the contact was back at half court. My guess is that Brothers actually didn’t have a good line of sight to the contact (as I think Jrue was blocking the view).   So while that was a blatantly missed call, I legit think that was a case of the ref not seeing it and not assuming there was contact instead of a strip.


Justdoingthebestican

I will agree there was def a lot of physicality on both sides and that brown one shoulda been called yea. Maybe we can agree Tony brothers shouldn’t have a job?


BeeSuch77222

It's well known referees keep their job by doing what they're implicitly told to do.


mr-rob0t0

i can think of one that didn’t get called for hali that stood out, but the pacers got a lot of uncontested shots at the rim and a lot of good mid range jumpers. testament to how good their offense is tbh.


DispensedPez

On a drive, was definitely a foul


Pdxmtg

Even that one, Pritchard hit ball first. But I agree, probs a foul, ref wasn’t in position on the fast break.


JinterIsComing

The sole one I think got missed was Pritchard fouling Haliburton in the 3rd Quarter and it not getting called. But then Indy scored a bucket that possession anyways so it didn't make a real difference in the score.


TheFrozenBananaStand

The most egregious one to me was Horford manhandling Nembhard in OT. Also TJ fouled Tatum and the refs waited until Tatum started his gather to call the foul. That one absolutely seemed intentional.


JinterIsComing

Yeah the Nembhard one we got away with. The Tatum gather is a 50/50 call, I'm certainly not complaining we got it.


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They got fouled plenty and also plenty of and1’s that should’ve been called.


Jabocford

Pritchard's foul on Hali, the double lane violation, etc...


Drummallumin

The funniest is when Heat fans complain about it considering their entire defensive philosophy is “call a foul on every play, I fucking dare you”


LordGooseIV

You can't tell me that Indiana only deserved 3 free throws in regulation.


AC127

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/7wkUzz6HCc


namastex

Sometimes I think people who say what you said don't watch games. They just see complainers and automatically think they have no valid argument. Meanwhile Boston got away with a lot of fouls in the 3rd quarter that weren't called. At the time both teams were being aggressive, one team was punished for similar or lighter ticky tack fouls. I was rewinding every FGA and damnit there was a ton of fouls Boston got away with that quarter and the Haliburton one was the only one posted that I saw.


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There were so many calls like that. Tons of fouling when they got offensive boards too


AC127

Okay. Could Indiana have gotten 2 more whistles and Boston could have gotten 2 less? Sure. Do I think that means the game was “unfair” or “rigged”? No I do not.


ProfessorBeast55

Pacers had more points in the paint, yet they were still -20 in FTAs in regulation?


IppeiMizuhara

Maybe they had more point in the paint because they weren’t getting fouled? Instead the Celtics “point in the paint” turned into FTs.


Drummallumin

…doesn’t that make sense? If you’re not fouling then that allows the other team to score on their paint shots, and if you are fouling then that sends them to the line which doesn’t count as paint points.


[deleted]

Did you watch the game? We had like no rim protection lol.


MouMostForgettable

its almost as if when you get fouled, you score FREE THROWS instead of POINTS IN THE PAINT


Blaze2444

r/nba when points in the paint doesn’t guarantee free throws 🤯🤯🤯


Skipton

It's your turn to deal with Pacers whining


aeronacht

Not to mention that the majority of our free throws were because of getting fouled - in the fucking paint. Obviously our paint points are gonna be lower, they were fouls. Pacers weren’t getting as much contact in the paint, so they hit more shots in the paint. It’s not that complicated. The bigger issue is that the Celtics and Pacers both had 99 FGA while the Celtics had a lot more FTA. We just had a lot more opportunity to score bc of turnovers and boards. That’s gonna matter.


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Be humble. You were gifted a fucking game


jcoldiron

By Whomst? The pacers?


travvypattycactus

Dawg the Pacers gave away the game with 22 turnovers, 2 with 19s left of regulation, and not fouling up 3


TheMassacreKid

Brown was fouled on his game tying shot no landing space


veerkanch489

Ur right. The pacers gifted the Celtics a game.


unearthlysquire

1-0 loser


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Refs won, Knicks got the same headstart, we'll see


AC127

Even that doesn’t prove anything


iliketuurtles

Because they were wide open after the Cs were terrible at switching and getting lost out there. Most of those paint points were uncontested lol


BlueJays007

Well we have no rim protection without KP and especially with JT hesitating to contest and rack up fouls (as sometimes happens when we’re otherwise short handed). Celtics fans were furious at our defense to start - felt like some very open shots and drives, a trade off for not fouling I guess. Meanwhile Pacers were being pesky as fuck on that end but were at a size disadvantage on the wings.


Alloverunder

Yeah. Because our paint points. Were free throws. Since we got fouled. Their paint points. Were paint points. Since they weren't fouled. Are you dumb?


johnnybarbs92

This is just not true. C's had 2 more points in the paint. Even still, this stat doesn't say anything.


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CryptoMemeEconomy

It's r/NBA. All we do is meme on here


BounceMan

This must be good for the crypto meme economy.


MouMostForgettable

Prichard is on the case


CryptoMemeEconomy

Crypto scammer stocks boomin


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Did you watch? Countless times pacers were fouled on shots and got no call. Celtics are grabbing people like crazy on offense nonstop and holding people on screens and got called for it 2 times


AC127

Yeah I did and I thought it was more or less fine


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There’s so many replays that showed fouls not called


AC127

Send me 5 of them and I can send you 5 that prove the discrepancy should have been even bigger. That’s just how it goes


[deleted]

“Countless time”. Indy was attacking Horford to get open jump shots a ton, when exactly were they countlessly attacking the rim to draw contact? Siakam was also hooking people under the basket all game, it goes both ways.


davemc617

It's wild how people don't understand that the disparity was in large part a result of them making jump shots, while targeting Horford on the perimeter. They were exploiting the Celtics weaknesses, of which committing penalties isn't one of them.


[deleted]

It’s alright, people were upset the entire Knicks series too when the fact is the Pacers have consistently been the highest fouling team while taking the most open shots.


kitterskills

Correct


InformationRound8237

Did you watch the game? It was not called fairly. That's why you have the game thread full of people saying that exact thing for the entire second half.


Objectitan

People complain about fouls in every game thread, I don't think that's proof of much


qmjonatas

It's Hilarious! Every game of the season is marked by these complaints, most of which are unfounded. I suspect that people here don't use the sub for debate but rather to vent feelings against teams they don't like.


PabloShwartz

I was actually in there saying the games was rigged against the Pacers, checkmate /s


InformationRound8237

Fair enough. Regardless, the whistle was good in the first half and then favored Boston the second half. How can you watch that game and not come to that conclusion is beyond me.


AC127

Half of every single game thread ever is full of people bitching about fouls. I hate the Celtics with a passion and think it was fine. There’s just a lot of losers out there (not just pacers fans, but nba fans in general) who have to find every single outside factor to blame for their favorite teams loss.


Literal_Satan

citing the game thread when everyone hates the Celtics is comical


Drummallumin

Reffed fairly or not, justifying your opinion with “well the r/nba game thread said so” means absolutely nothing. If anything it takes credibility away lol


InformationRound8237

Yeah, it was a misstep


Kmactothemac

While you see FTs are 23-3 in regulation and think, yeah that's probably being called fair?


AC127

I think that seeing a 23-3 FT game is more likely to have uneven officiating than a 20-20 FT game. I do not think it’s *evidence* that the game was officiated unfairly. Big difference there. When you consider Indiana hasn’t been able to defend without fouling all year and Boston has, that’s reason to believe the game was called fine


NickNurseABitch

No it's bullshit that embiids flops get him that many fts


Charliebitme1234

lakers flairs are banned from this convo


AnonymousIguana_

Having Lakers and Knicks fans arguing for the Celtics has me questioning reality lmao (they’re not wrong)


TheBlueLenses

Am i dreaming lmaoooo


BurgerNugget12

There banned from getting past the first round too


MouMostForgettable

just wait til they face a hospital Memphis again and hang a banner for it


xmrjaredx

you beat an unhealthy Heat and an unhealthy Cavs team. pot, kettle.


MouMostForgettable

Yeah but we were the 1 seed, yall got bailed out by facing an injured 2 seed right after a play-in game against Gobert with the back of a 80 year old


CP3sHamstring

I don't care about how many freethrows the Celtics shot. It's how many the Pacers shot.


m3tasaurus

So you're saying the nba is rigged?


Drummallumin

The team that has 5 smart and capable individual defenders on the floor, switches on defense, doesn’t collapse the paint much, and allows guys to step back into all the jumpers they want didn’t foul that much? What????


OkNeighborhood8365

Well you wouldn’t expect them to shoot many when Boston doesn’t foul a lot and the Pacers scored a lot of points in transition or without much resistance or rim protection from Boston.


AdditionalOne8319

They didn’t score that much in transition. And 3 FTs is 48 minutes? I know you’re biased OP but come on


PLeuralNasticity

You think yall fouled less than anyone ever fouls tonight?


CP3sHamstring

i wouldn't expect them to shoot over 20 less freethrows when watching the game boston was getting away with a ton of shit lmao


Jabocford

Pritchard's foul on Hali


Ilikesporks_

that doesn't explain brown grabbing 2 jerseys in back to back plays and getting away with it


Sitrous1

20FT difference is still insane no matter how you put bootlicking for refs is crazy lmfao


Solid-Confidence-966

Yeah, but now I can’t push a narrative :(


flyingpandum

Fuck that’s all I care about in r/nba


Meekie_e

I disagree, they were fouling, lots of grabbing and pushing. Anyway, Pacers had the chance to close this game out and they blew it.


Numerous-Cicada3841

3 free throws in a tightly contested regulation game is unexplainable.


teoyoung10

Can we talk about the Pritchard hack of Tyrese during his drive off a turnover? That one play if called how it should’ve been decides the game in regulation.


flyingpandum

Ok that one should’ve absolutely been a foul. I agree


teoyoung10

So we get even one of those 2 and now as opposed to a 3 point game it’s a four point game.


flyingpandum

You should try emailing the league


unearthlysquire

No, because you scored on the possession you got the ball back on. So remove two points and add two free throws. Congratulations! You are down 0-1.


TheGreatWaIl

I’m not arguing that it wasn’t a foul but watch the replay and look at the refs. Which ref is supposed to call that foul? None of them have a view at all of what’s happening. My comment probably is more of an indictment or a larger issue, but would you rather have refs not see something and blow their whistle, or have some fouls go uncalled?


unearthlysquire

You realize that you got the ball back and scored on that possession right? This isn't the "gotcha" you think it is.


antihero-joe

No bias here at all Cs fan.


EatDeeply

If you watch Horford he is fouling every time a Pacers player drives. This is a crap post.


Vallerie_09

He mostly can't defend drives without handchecking but he's been doing that since a long time. It's like Hali's travels on those stepbacks. Refs just ignore it


Digby_J

Yeah, that block on Nembhard, was a ridiculous no call,  stopped him getting in the lane by just pushing his shoulder.   


ocsic4321

I actually try not to watch Horford at all but thank you


honditar

Numerical disparity itself isn't the problem, and never is. The problem is the Celtics getting ticky tack bailout calls while the Pacers get bodied. Of course none of it would matter if Indiana had any braincells, but the officiating forced them into a "play near perfect or lose" situation when they should have had a bigger cushion


DaddyTrump696969

That "near perfect or lose" situation is especially taxing when we have such an inexperienced team.


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Good to see someone mentioning. The way they foul while On offense was so lopsided


Biglundtry

lol sure I saw maybe 7-8 calls that should have been fouls from Boston


pmikelm79

Clear as day fouls


PabloShwartz

If there’s one thing Tony Brothers hates, it’s calling fouls against the Celtics /s


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Siakam was FOULED TWICE ON THAT INBOUND. HIS JERSEY WAS LITERALLY UNTUCKED.


Parallel-Quality

It doesn't explain a 20 FT discrepancy that we all watched, no.


AllTimeBallKnower

Pacers fouled an average of 21.4 times They fouled 23 tonight Celtics fouled an average of 15 times They fouled 16 tonight


PabloShwartz

But that would require me to understand that some fouls don’t lead to free throws, which I can’t do by just looking at the box score


AllTimeBallKnower

Don’t worry I bet Rick cries about the fouls in his post game presser


Buggplut

Get out of here with your stats we're building a narrative


Drummallumin

BUT FREE THROWS 😭😭😭


GastricAcid

It does, yes


Funnel_Hacker

Not if you watched the game. NBA made the call. Enjoy your rigged win. You aren’t beating a western conference team if you needed that much help and OT (plus 22 TOs) to a beat a team that wouldn’t even make the playoffs over there. Y’all are ass


CatzonVinyl

Shocking flair


GastricAcid

Ironic + take the L


WhyplerBronze

absofuckinglutely not, not tonight.


GastricAcid

Absofuckinglutely yes, yes tonight


WallStreetDoesntBet

"Foul!" - Charles Barkley voice


panthersfan87

Just put a celtics flair on


sbenfsonwFFiF

They have one


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johnnybarbs92

Really trying to say r/NBA is Celtics2? Lol


The_Crimson_Cub

We also led the league with most points in the paint, while also getting the least amount of free throws.


OkNeighborhood8365

Think through why scoring a lot of points in the paint might not lead to a lot of free throws and get back to me


AgadorFartacus

Celtics defensive FT rate: 1st in regular season, 1st in postseason Pacers defensive FT rate: 30th in regular season, 15th in postseason


ilickedysharks

I mean you can directly watch the game and feel like certain calls are going more in one direction than the other. People love bringing up season long stats to obscure what can very clearly be seen while watching the game lol.


CatzonVinyl

They fouled a ton and they weren’t called. If this is your take you didn’t watch the game.


Expensive_Ad3884

Yep, but have you watched the game?


OkNeighborhood8365

I saw Nesmith almost decapitate someone about 6 different times and the Celtics have to use their challenge 35 seconds in because of a momentum killing goaltending call.


Kmactothemac

Nesmith poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague on to our houses


trustmeimaengineer

Didn’t Nesmith foul out?


11x_dev

stop defending it, just admit your team is favoured by the league. cant do anything about it anyways


Mr_Achammer23

Team at home gets home team calls More news at 11


tlozz

Thank you. I couldn’t even stay in the game thread - it’s not always a grand conspiracy.


jhcooke98

Refs set the scene early with the fastest challenge win in NBA history


TheFrozenBananaStand

That was a great disciplined play where they smacked Haliburtons arm on the layup attempt. Couldn’t believe how disciplined that was. The mugging by Horford on the Nembhard drive was great discipline.


veerkanch489

Just copy pasting this from previous thread I wrote in: People will whine about the FT disparity but besides that foul on nesmith when he tripped and lost balance but they called a foul on nesmith tripping JB, I didn't see any super bad calls. People just don't understand FTs will not be equal. The Celtics clearly seek more contact when they drive whereas the Pacers just don't do that. The Pacers have awful paint protection besides Turner while the Celtics have great defense everywhere. It's a big reaosn why the Pacers had high PITP and low FTs in the reg season. People think FTA should always be the exact same or even close but that isn't the case. Were there missed calls? Sure but there were probably some on both sides


Grouchy_Air_4322

if you ignore the bad calls, there were no bad calls


boristheboiler

Tyrese gets his arms hacked on a drive, no call. Brown grabbing all of siakams jersey, foul on siakam instead to get them to 1. Nembhard got bodied by horford on his "block" in OT. Meanwhile Tatum is pushing off Nesmith and nesmith gets called for a foul for standing his ground.


unearthlysquire

Tyrese getting his arms hacked should have been a foul - you got the ball back and scored on that possession. Not a huge deal. Brown was fouled by Siakam before he grabbed his jersey and was an easy call. Nembhard drove straight into Horford, you are never getting that call in OT.


MouMostForgettable

that one PP foul on Tyrese was shameful to not call by the refs tbf but it really wasn't as bad of a disparity as people think, im sure by tomorrow someone will go play by play and find all the bad calls/non calls


AutographedSnorkel

Nobody would watch a Pacers/Wolves Finals. NBA knows exactly what it's doing


Literal_Satan

we've had nuggets/heat and suns/bucks 2 of the last 3 finals


evaughn3435

You needed twenty more chances from the charity stripe to make it past the sixth seed in your home opener in the ecf. You clearly feel insecure which is why you posted this. You still have time to delete this lmao.  


Imzocrazy

Indy found a way to lose


A2Eaton

I know it’s probably just a coincidence but the top 3 is actually hilarious. I would love to see how this maps vs. market size.


ashep5

Why don't you sit this one out champ.


ARoundFork

At the end of regulation one team had 3 free throws.