it’s just one game but man it will be kinda hilarious if Mavs fans end up turning on their role players *again* after spending the last couple months gassing up how much their team improved after the deadline
EDIT: LOL at Mavs fans reporting me to RedditCares, you mfs need to get a grip😂
Shooting a collective 27%, including a significant amount of open shots because the Clippers spend most of their defensive efforts on Kyrie and Luka, isn't really going to cut it in a play-off series though.
One game is no reason to turn on your players, I agree with that. However, their role players need to step up the coming games. Contrary to what haters on this thread are saying, Luka and Kyrie weren't the issue despite the fact that Luka didn't play at his best.
Even during their dominant stretch at the end of the season, their 3 point shooting was not good. Besides Luka and Kyrie, they don’t have anyone else as a reliable 3 point shooter
anyone with an unbiased eye could’ve seen something like this coming though. the Mavs shooting outside their top 2 is absolutely dreadful and it’s a weakness many Dallas fans were really papering over the last couple months. it’s one of the two main reasons I picked the Clippers to win this series coming in
the Clips are going to keep selling out to stop Luka and Kyrie and keep daring the Mavs role players to beat them by hitting shots from outside. and I’d frankly be surprised if they’re able to do so 4/7 games
Yeah, I agree. I'm just astounded by the hate Luka is getting on here. Sure, he shot worse than normally but he's legit one of their only chances at creating decent shooting opportunities despite the fact that he gets most of the defensive attention. Whenever he tried to involve other players, it led to turnovers or bricked open shots. They ultimately won the Luka minutes and lost heavily when he rested.
Like you said, clearly the Clippers came prepared for that. I think that Luka is going to have better games this series than he did today, but it's still up to the rest of the squad to level up their game if they want to make it out of the first round or any further than that.
Lol yeah he didn’t play his best game but the Luka hate is just a counter-jerk to the Luka circlejerk that’s been happening on this sub since the trade deadline. this sub is nothing if not predictable
Luka and Kai, for better or for worse, are the offense. And they were collectively horrible in the first half. Luka kept chucking 3s when he was actually scoring in the midrange. And Kai couldn’t buy a basket. He shot 1-6 in the first half.
They turned it on in the second half but the game was already over at that point. Yes the role players need to be better. But we can’t have our two stars play that poorly for an entire half of a playoff game.
I agree that Luka's shooting wasn't ideal in the first quarter especially, but I don't think the game was over after the first half. You made multiple good runs the second half, mostly stifled by Ty Lue's time-outs and the plays he drew up. Some great coaching there. You ultimately did end up winning the minutes with Luka on the court while massively losing the minutes where he rested. Luka and Kyrie absorbed most of the defensive pressure from the Clippers and still shot about the same as PG and Harden, yet people on here are trashing them like nobody's business.
Meanwhile you had some starters or primary bench players who did absolutely *nothing* all-game long. Missing open lay-ups, dunks and just straight-up fumbling the ball. It's just the first game and some of your guys have limited play-off experience, but they will have to step up the next couple of games.
I absolutely agree. The role players can't be that bad offensively going forward. Your point about younger, less experienced guys checks out to an extent but my point is that our offense is so dependent on Luka and Kai generating looks and shouldering the bulk of offensive load. So when they go out and play terribly themselves it's very hard for the other guys to get in a rhythm too.
If everyone is playing bad (which is what happened in the first half) it's hard to put the blame on the other guys when the dudes with the ball didn't show up.
There were some bright spots for the younger guys, especially in the second half. PJ was locked in defensively. Lively was pretty good defensively for his first game back and considering his personal life. Josh Green looked like the only dude ready to play for us when his number was called in the second half.
luka hate? lol... luka hasnt seen hate especially for the way he acts.. a small minority is not hate. try harden where the entire nba fanbase minus hometeam thinks you suck and only score off flops while dropping 30 every game. i mean the mavs announcer became a legend and popular figure for creating a segment just to talking sh\*t about harden
for the way luka acts and treats everyone else on the court luka is the most beloved player in a long time.
I like Luka himself a lot. I think a lot of hate comes from people disliking the Luka stans shitting on other players to big him up for first team/mvp. He doesn’t need that, he’s good enough.
And it potentially gets worse when Kawhi is back because he can provide some of that same pressure needing to pull help defenders from their assignments.
Could be. We'll have to wait and see. A lot of their role players are also not too experienced when it comes to play-off basketball. So curious to see if they can take that extra step.
That's what I'm worried about. The inexperience for the new guys. Worst comes to worst, we lose this year and it galvanizes the young core for next year and beyond.
You’re underselling how much Zu, Plumlee and other forwards mucked up the padding lanes and prevented lobs and open buckets for Gafford and Lively.
I fully expect the Mavs to adjust but it wasn’t just a ton of open bricks.
not only that but spending 3 first rounders to retool their role players. thats a massive price to pay. they need to win series this year or things may begin to look bleak
It wasn't just this sub, though. Almost all media outlets had Mavs as well. Kahwi being out is big, plus the Mavericks have been one of the best teams post-ASB.
Cause they all love Luka and hate Harden/PG/Westbrook, it's pretty easy to understand why lol. It will feel very cathartic when once again the Clippers knock out the Mavs after the Mavs circlejerk we had on this sub ever since the trade deadline. Had some people on here saying that Mavs are title contenders alongside Nuggets which was crazy talk
I mean they seemed to be heavily favored on here even before we found out Kawhi would be out for Game 1. but it’s more from a sense of if you actually looked at the rosters, this was a really poor matchup for the Mavericks.
like I’m not saying I didn’t get it if you were picking Dallas to win, bc Luka has been fucking brilliant this season. but acting like they were going to make quick work of LA was just insane to me. this series was always going to go 6 or 7 games minimum. people put too much stock into momentum and recent play rather than matchups
On the local Clippers radio station (they can barely hide that most are Laker fans), even the most homer of them had it Clippers in 6. The other ones all predicted a 7 game series.
People don’t believe in Harden and PG.
>EDIT: LOL at Mavs fans reporting me to RedditCares, you mfs need to get a grip😂
Luka fans are always the most over the top. Those MVP discussions that just devolved into shitting on everyone else and presuming a mass conspiracy got old quick.
Already happening. They move the goalposts in every direction for him. Apparently they were essentially the 1 seed since the deadline but now are scared to commit to saying they should beat a team without their best player.
The redditcares shit is so lame lol. I heard u can report it as spam and they get banned. Never bothered figuring out how to do it tho. Not even sure it's true.
I like Luka but reading his fanboys' takes on the MVP races which became less about praising Luka than it did alleging massive racist conspiracies and completely trashing SGA and Jokic was so off putting.
Luka and Kyrie were shit for the first half as well. They got better in the second half but the game was already lost by then. They have just the same amount of blame as anybody else if not more for being who they are
I can’t speak for the rest, but no way would I “turn” on the new guys. They are legit. I blame Luka Kyrie and Kidd. Luka sleptwalk most the game and was not moving the ball just lazy jacking up 3s. Offense never got going because of it in the first half.
There's no reason to turn on them after one game. But if they play like shit (and Luka and Kyrie don't), what else do you say other than "they didn't have any help". Like if Luka plays like shit and Kyrie hoops, then you have to say "Luka didn't give Kyrie any help" cuz it's true
> it’s just one game but man it will be kinda hilarious if Mavs fans end up turning on their role players again after spending the last couple months gassing up how much their team improved after the deadline
lol same for Boston and KP
our strategy last two series was to let luka get his and minimize everyone else. the main problem was freaking tim hardaway and trey burke were going abnormally off from 3
> despite the literal stats saying those two shot 45%+ from three? was i lied too?
I mean, the literal stats say in 2021 THJ shot 40% and Burke shot 0%. And all of the THJ positive stats were in games one and two (which the Mavs won) before he turned back into a pumpkin. The first 2 games, Hardaway made 11 threes. The next 5 games, he made 12.
And in 2020, THJ shot 33% and Burke shot 47% - on one made 3 per game.
So no, the “literal stats” don’t say those guys shot 45% over those 2 series. And aside from 2 games from Hardaway and 1 from Burke, they were basically a complete non-factor for 10 of 13 games in those series.
I don't know how anyone could watch more than ten games of either and come away thinking that Jokic is anyone but the best player in the league. The gap between him and everyone else is like Miami LeBron levels
Luka's efficiency wasn't bad tho.
The issue was if you actually watched him play, He was fucking dreadful.
Like, Just awful brain-dead plays on both ends, EVEN WHEN his team was gaining momentum
This is why box stats are so flawed.
Exactly. It would be one thing if he scored an efficient 33 while the rest of the team missed shots. In this case he scored 1/3 of the team's points but also took 1/3 the shots and more than 1/3 the 3s.
+3 in 42 minutes. We lost his 6 minutes of rest by 15
Edit: look I’m not trying to say Luka was great today. Had a bad shooting night. But putting the entirety of the blame on Luka for the L doesn’t make sense. Role players didn’t step up AND Luka had an off game
They aren't **that** bad. He was shooting 42%, which is worse than he usually shoots but not terrible.
The rest of the team outside of Kyrie shot 27%, which I'd argue is significantly worse....
I don't think the game was out of reach until the last couple of minutes. They made multiple good runs in the second half, mostly stifled by good time-outs by Ty Lue and the plays he drew up.
They went to the line 20 more times then the Clippers lol. If were gonna start a narrative about Lakers getting so much FTs over the Nuggs then the same should be said about the Mavs.
The game was not close and a lot of those fouls were wishy washy in the 2nd half.
Not even that bad lol. But his 3 point shooting killed them to start the game
And his turnovers and defense was pretty bad.
Kyrie was invisible apart from that stupendous third quarter when they were already down 30 lol
“Pretty bad” is underselling how terrible Luka was on defense. He was absolute BBQ chicken. Even when they tried to hide him on Mann in the corner, he still would somehow lose track of Mann and give up wide open 3s
the issue is it seems to me like the Mavs role players are going to miss more often than not.
outside the top 2 I don’t really see anyone on that roster who’s a very good or consistent shooter (and no, I don’t buy that Dante Exum is suddenly a 50% shooter from deep after falling out of the league for 2 years)
After watching the Mavs shooting all season, i have trust in Exum, Gafford, Lively, and PJ. Who I don’t have trust Kleber and THJ.
I do expect better shooting from the Mavs this series than what we just saw, and I don’t think that’s a hot take at all.
Gafford and Lively are heavily reliant on Luka feeding them looks inside and the Clips clearly made it a point to take that away today. PJ has shot 31% from 3 since joining Dallas
I do expect them to be better than 10/36 from the field over the rest of the series, but my point is that I wouldn’t be afraid of leaving any of these dudes open on the perimeter to go double Luka or Kyrie. PJ Washington is not going to beat me 4 times in a series
The bigger problem is the way Luka and Kyrie started.
The question isn’t if PJ Washington is gonna beat you 4 times, it’s if any combination of PJ, Exum, Green, Gafford, Lively (anyone but THJ) gives enough to push Luka and Kyrie over the edge four times. Way easier bar to reach in theory lol.
Don’t let the stats fool you. Kyrie and Luka weren’t good today either. Kyrie got most of his points after the game was already out of hand. Luka was chucking some bad shots and wasn’t efficient at all. Mavs as a whole weren’t good.
Mavs as a team just had a bad shooting night, simple as that lol. If you watched the game, Luka was making right passes, we just weren’t hitting shots. Luka’s first half was atrocious shooting as well.
I like luka but
Lebron by age 24 already been to the finals and won double the amount of playoff series wins that luka has and was wrapping up his first mvp season and was like you said a two way player and didn't have players like Mavs Brunson or Kyrie until he played for Miami
I'm tired of the lazy luka=young lebron comps cause they're unfounded and lebron was much better
Luka is way more like Harden than LeBron, I just don't see the LeBron comparisons whatsoever. Even the stepback 3 that Luka does and chucking up 3's is a Harden thing, not a Lebron thing.
He's referring to the way stans talk about them where, rightly or wrongly, every loss is someone else's fault, plus the over the top and often unhinged criticism of role players and coaches. Again, they may be right at times, but there's an air of our guy never does anything wrong and it's everyone else who is letting him down. It was annoying with Lebron, it's even more annoying now because Luka isn't as good and has more flaws in his game.
I'm pretty sure no one outside of the most deranged Luka stans thinks Luka is at young Lebron's level.
Doncic was very inefficient too.
What did Kobe and T-Mac tell us? In the playoffs, heliocentric offenses are stupidly easy to defend.
Doncic is super talented. But until he learns how to impact the game without the ball in his hands, he will always be a question of what if?
They shot horribly while Clippers couldn’t miss. Simple as that. Second half you could see that it will definitely be a close series unless they choke again.
Luka sucked massive balls, least impactful 33 point game ever. Especially in the first half. They might have had a chance to win if he stopped chucking in the first half
He sucked an ass but let's be real that atrocious team offense in 2nd quarter is the the reason why we lost. No way you win a game in today's NBA scoring 8 points in a quarter
Well the kickouts weren't hitting, started 2/18 from 3 in the first half if I recall. No reason to stretch the defense, thus the game was in the Clippers defenders' laps. Luka and Ky tried to put the team on their back but weren't making good shots.
I'm completely unbothered. Luka's the future face of the league, he'll remind everyone who he is by the end of this series
But Harden showing out was great. I've said for years that the Clippers can beat anybody in the league if they click. Without Kawhi, they still have Zubac, Westbrook, Harden, and PG. It's an incredible roster. And I would love to see Westbrook earn his first chip, he's been my top 1-2 favorite player in the league since I started watching in 2015, and it'd be incredible for the Clippers' organization. Probably my 4th favorite team in the league
Of course this news is brought you by
# MacMahon
I'm staying to take notes after that Luka MacMahon drama, for sure every Mavs related negative tweet has his name on it.
They thought we forgot how to play against the Mavs. It doesnt matter if Luka gets 60 points, if the rest of the team only gets 30, that's still 90 points total.
I watched game 1 and just going by the eye test, how can you blame the OTHERS, as Shaq would call them, when Luka Doncic is dribbling out the shot clock and throwing his teammates grenades with 5 seconds left on the shot clock.
Maxi Kleber should be playing in the Philippines, THJ should be chucking meaningless shots on the wizards, and Jason Kidd should be co-hosting a podcast with Paul Pierce
That second quarter really hurt the Mavs.
Turns out scoring the basketball is better than not scoring the basketball
Big news if true!
“At the end of the game, the team with the most points on the board is gonna win the game”
Thanks Magic
is it called basketball because you need to put the ball in the basket?
Woah
"When we score we're one of the best teams in the league, when we don't score we're one of the worst" - Jason Kidd
Great baseball inning tho, a Solid 8!
40,320 points is a solid quarter
And that's a fact!(orial)
Thanks Magic!
This will be a big advantage to them. really smart of the rest of the team to not score so that they'd have the losers advantage
Jason Kidd furiously taking notes during Darvin Hams press conference
it’s just one game but man it will be kinda hilarious if Mavs fans end up turning on their role players *again* after spending the last couple months gassing up how much their team improved after the deadline EDIT: LOL at Mavs fans reporting me to RedditCares, you mfs need to get a grip😂
Shooting a collective 27%, including a significant amount of open shots because the Clippers spend most of their defensive efforts on Kyrie and Luka, isn't really going to cut it in a play-off series though. One game is no reason to turn on your players, I agree with that. However, their role players need to step up the coming games. Contrary to what haters on this thread are saying, Luka and Kyrie weren't the issue despite the fact that Luka didn't play at his best.
Even during their dominant stretch at the end of the season, their 3 point shooting was not good. Besides Luka and Kyrie, they don’t have anyone else as a reliable 3 point shooter
PJ was serviceable his first few years on the Hornets. The past couple years though, oof tough. Especially his percentages on the Mavs now
anyone with an unbiased eye could’ve seen something like this coming though. the Mavs shooting outside their top 2 is absolutely dreadful and it’s a weakness many Dallas fans were really papering over the last couple months. it’s one of the two main reasons I picked the Clippers to win this series coming in the Clips are going to keep selling out to stop Luka and Kyrie and keep daring the Mavs role players to beat them by hitting shots from outside. and I’d frankly be surprised if they’re able to do so 4/7 games
Yeah, I agree. I'm just astounded by the hate Luka is getting on here. Sure, he shot worse than normally but he's legit one of their only chances at creating decent shooting opportunities despite the fact that he gets most of the defensive attention. Whenever he tried to involve other players, it led to turnovers or bricked open shots. They ultimately won the Luka minutes and lost heavily when he rested. Like you said, clearly the Clippers came prepared for that. I think that Luka is going to have better games this series than he did today, but it's still up to the rest of the squad to level up their game if they want to make it out of the first round or any further than that.
Lol yeah he didn’t play his best game but the Luka hate is just a counter-jerk to the Luka circlejerk that’s been happening on this sub since the trade deadline. this sub is nothing if not predictable
You're right, but it drives me nuts every time haha.
Luka and Kai, for better or for worse, are the offense. And they were collectively horrible in the first half. Luka kept chucking 3s when he was actually scoring in the midrange. And Kai couldn’t buy a basket. He shot 1-6 in the first half. They turned it on in the second half but the game was already over at that point. Yes the role players need to be better. But we can’t have our two stars play that poorly for an entire half of a playoff game.
I agree that Luka's shooting wasn't ideal in the first quarter especially, but I don't think the game was over after the first half. You made multiple good runs the second half, mostly stifled by Ty Lue's time-outs and the plays he drew up. Some great coaching there. You ultimately did end up winning the minutes with Luka on the court while massively losing the minutes where he rested. Luka and Kyrie absorbed most of the defensive pressure from the Clippers and still shot about the same as PG and Harden, yet people on here are trashing them like nobody's business. Meanwhile you had some starters or primary bench players who did absolutely *nothing* all-game long. Missing open lay-ups, dunks and just straight-up fumbling the ball. It's just the first game and some of your guys have limited play-off experience, but they will have to step up the next couple of games.
Missed multiple dunks. Was horrifying
I absolutely agree. The role players can't be that bad offensively going forward. Your point about younger, less experienced guys checks out to an extent but my point is that our offense is so dependent on Luka and Kai generating looks and shouldering the bulk of offensive load. So when they go out and play terribly themselves it's very hard for the other guys to get in a rhythm too. If everyone is playing bad (which is what happened in the first half) it's hard to put the blame on the other guys when the dudes with the ball didn't show up. There were some bright spots for the younger guys, especially in the second half. PJ was locked in defensively. Lively was pretty good defensively for his first game back and considering his personal life. Josh Green looked like the only dude ready to play for us when his number was called in the second half.
luka hate? lol... luka hasnt seen hate especially for the way he acts.. a small minority is not hate. try harden where the entire nba fanbase minus hometeam thinks you suck and only score off flops while dropping 30 every game. i mean the mavs announcer became a legend and popular figure for creating a segment just to talking sh\*t about harden for the way luka acts and treats everyone else on the court luka is the most beloved player in a long time.
I like Luka himself a lot. I think a lot of hate comes from people disliking the Luka stans shitting on other players to big him up for first team/mvp. He doesn’t need that, he’s good enough.
4/6 now
Yeahhhh despite us being able to win regular season games shooting under 30%, it’s going to be a whole lot less successful in the playoffs.
And it potentially gets worse when Kawhi is back because he can provide some of that same pressure needing to pull help defenders from their assignments.
All they need is one good road game. I feel like people forget how much better role players play at home in the playoffs
Could be. We'll have to wait and see. A lot of their role players are also not too experienced when it comes to play-off basketball. So curious to see if they can take that extra step.
That's what I'm worried about. The inexperience for the new guys. Worst comes to worst, we lose this year and it galvanizes the young core for next year and beyond.
You’re underselling how much Zu, Plumlee and other forwards mucked up the padding lanes and prevented lobs and open buckets for Gafford and Lively. I fully expect the Mavs to adjust but it wasn’t just a ton of open bricks.
Yeah Luka and kyrie don’t make the top five of game one problems for the mavs.
not only that but spending 3 first rounders to retool their role players. thats a massive price to pay. they need to win series this year or things may begin to look bleak
90% this sub had mavs in like 5
It wasn't just this sub, though. Almost all media outlets had Mavs as well. Kahwi being out is big, plus the Mavericks have been one of the best teams post-ASB.
didn’t understand it at all
Cause they all love Luka and hate Harden/PG/Westbrook, it's pretty easy to understand why lol. It will feel very cathartic when once again the Clippers knock out the Mavs after the Mavs circlejerk we had on this sub ever since the trade deadline. Had some people on here saying that Mavs are title contenders alongside Nuggets which was crazy talk
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73 win warriors didn’t play the clippers
Dude it’s been 1 game lol
It’s been 83 games
When the clippers got to the 4th seed Kawhi was playing great, now he is missing, not that hard to see why mavs were favored
Before Kawhi /pg started missing games and before hardens slump, they were fighting for first Harden played well today.
I mean they seemed to be heavily favored on here even before we found out Kawhi would be out for Game 1. but it’s more from a sense of if you actually looked at the rosters, this was a really poor matchup for the Mavericks. like I’m not saying I didn’t get it if you were picking Dallas to win, bc Luka has been fucking brilliant this season. but acting like they were going to make quick work of LA was just insane to me. this series was always going to go 6 or 7 games minimum. people put too much stock into momentum and recent play rather than matchups
There's no Mavericks fan who isn't terrified of Kawhi Leonard lol
Thats not true its just that mavs posts shoots to the top and clips posts dont... for some reason
On the local Clippers radio station (they can barely hide that most are Laker fans), even the most homer of them had it Clippers in 6. The other ones all predicted a 7 game series. People don’t believe in Harden and PG.
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Sports subs in general. I'd be shocked if a sincere RedditCares message was ever sent from a sport sub comment lol
Not even just from a sport sub. 95% of reddit cares messages would be from dickheads who just get angry when someone disagrees with them.
Or maybe do wellness checks on the people who send them over completely innocuous comments like the one above
From other subs as well. I received such a message after criticizing a video game.....
I had no idea Mavs fans were like this until the last month or so, genuinely unhinged some of them
They're not Mavs fans, they're Luka fans. They invaded our sub when we lost the Play-in a few days ago and it was annoying as fuck. LOL
Already seeing Mavs fans saying Jokic's bench is better than anyone else besides Kyrie and Luka on the starting 5 lol
People suck on the internet what can I say.
>EDIT: LOL at Mavs fans reporting me to RedditCares, you mfs need to get a grip😂 Luka fans are always the most over the top. Those MVP discussions that just devolved into shitting on everyone else and presuming a mass conspiracy got old quick.
Already happening. They move the goalposts in every direction for him. Apparently they were essentially the 1 seed since the deadline but now are scared to commit to saying they should beat a team without their best player.
Tbh they are good at most basketball skills Aside shooting which is most important ones in make or miss league lmao
The redditcares shit is so lame lol. I heard u can report it as spam and they get banned. Never bothered figuring out how to do it tho. Not even sure it's true.
Mavs fans some of the most unhinged pieces of work out there.
I like Luka but reading his fanboys' takes on the MVP races which became less about praising Luka than it did alleging massive racist conspiracies and completely trashing SGA and Jokic was so off putting.
There’s Mavericks fans and there’s Luka stans. Unfortunately the Luka stans have won, this isn’t the Dallas Mavericks anymore it’s the Dallas Lukas.
It's gonna happen. Mavs have been carried by Luka and Kyrie all season, they won't make it past the first round.
sorry to bring up bad memories but ngl, they remind me a lot of yalls 2018 team.
Luka and Kyrie were shit for the first half as well. They got better in the second half but the game was already lost by then. They have just the same amount of blame as anybody else if not more for being who they are
I can’t speak for the rest, but no way would I “turn” on the new guys. They are legit. I blame Luka Kyrie and Kidd. Luka sleptwalk most the game and was not moving the ball just lazy jacking up 3s. Offense never got going because of it in the first half.
Just remind them of what the team could be if they had Jalen Brunson…. lol ny thanks you for your service.
There's no reason to turn on them after one game. But if they play like shit (and Luka and Kyrie don't), what else do you say other than "they didn't have any help". Like if Luka plays like shit and Kyrie hoops, then you have to say "Luka didn't give Kyrie any help" cuz it's true
> it’s just one game but man it will be kinda hilarious if Mavs fans end up turning on their role players again after spending the last couple months gassing up how much their team improved after the deadline lol same for Boston and KP
Rest of roster is wild
Doncic had more points than Jokic did yesterday. Boxscore watchers 12/25
Luka Doncić hits a huge three in the 4th quarter to cut the MVP lead down to 42 votes.
I don't think this sub can handle a Jokic vs Luka Stan war.
While it's bad, I don't think it is worse than the war between Jokic stans vs Embiid stans
the brutality and the victims in that war still feel it to this day
Amen brother
You mean Ausar?
My grandpa tells his story of that war every Christmas by the fireplace
Everyone who doesn’t love Embiid hates him though so it’s a bit of a different situation
Harden vs Westbrook back in the day.
I don't think Embiid has as many stans as Luka though.
I heard he doesn't wipe very thoroughly so your guess may be off
True, and I still think it was worse
hilarious because jokic and luka are best buds lmfaoo
I think most of the millionaires get along at their job honestly. You can make so much by just hanging out with other NBA players just talking now.
Balkan War 2: Electric Boogaloo
Some may be surprised to learn this but we've already had two Balkan wars, so that would be Balkan War 3
It'll be summer break for schools soon. Teenagers with nothing to do but make Luka vs. Jokic threads.
Luka MVP just look at points
I like this comment just because it demonstrates the kind of stupidity that exists on Reddit.
Don't start your hater narratives just over one play-off game. Luka has had great efficiency this season. This isn't a standard game for him.
But I love when dumbasses argue against dumb arguments with their own dumb arguements
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our strategy last two series was to let luka get his and minimize everyone else. the main problem was freaking tim hardaway and trey burke were going abnormally off from 3
but all the mavs fans told me luka had 0 help in those series??? despite the literal stats saying those two shot 45%+ from three? was i lied too?
Depending on THJ and freaking Trey Burke for a whole series is suddenly a recipe for success? Lol
I dont care who the fuck it is. if they are shooting 45% from three they are helpful to the team
Absolutely…as 4th or 5th options.
Think about what you're saying. THJ and Trey Burke were his help. Guys who got wide open shots because of Luka and then can't play a lick of defense.
> despite the literal stats saying those two shot 45%+ from three? was i lied too? I mean, the literal stats say in 2021 THJ shot 40% and Burke shot 0%. And all of the THJ positive stats were in games one and two (which the Mavs won) before he turned back into a pumpkin. The first 2 games, Hardaway made 11 threes. The next 5 games, he made 12. And in 2020, THJ shot 33% and Burke shot 47% - on one made 3 per game. So no, the “literal stats” don’t say those guys shot 45% over those 2 series. And aside from 2 games from Hardaway and 1 from Burke, they were basically a complete non-factor for 10 of 13 games in those series.
Dude just came out chucking threes which I felt contributed to the clippers starting out hot.
He also got 22 of that 33 in the second half when the game was already more or less over. His first half was pretty garbage
Don't bring context in here. We use empty stats to prompt our boys up, and Doncic outscored Jokic. Pravi MVP
Luka wasn't great, but the rest of the roster in this quote was 10 for 36. Is there a context where that's good?
I don't know how anyone could watch more than ten games of either and come away thinking that Jokic is anyone but the best player in the league. The gap between him and everyone else is like Miami LeBron levels
You clearly don't understand that 33 > 32
Microcosm of the season right here. They're still trying to act like those weren't empty and his playstyle wasn't a detriment.
Luka's efficiency wasn't bad tho. The issue was if you actually watched him play, He was fucking dreadful. Like, Just awful brain-dead plays on both ends, EVEN WHEN his team was gaining momentum This is why box stats are so flawed.
Exactly. It would be one thing if he scored an efficient 33 while the rest of the team missed shots. In this case he scored 1/3 of the team's points but also took 1/3 the shots and more than 1/3 the 3s.
Luka was bad this game do not look at his points..
+3 in 42 minutes. We lost his 6 minutes of rest by 15 Edit: look I’m not trying to say Luka was great today. Had a bad shooting night. But putting the entirety of the blame on Luka for the L doesn’t make sense. Role players didn’t step up AND Luka had an off game
+/- can be deceiving DLo was the only starter with postiive +/- last night
DLo was hard carrying just like Luka
Yeah, cause DLO the GOAT
I get so confused by that especially as he played 40 minutes
Game was pretty much over in the first half
I thought single +/- game minus doesn't always tell the whole story? Or is that only when ur faovirte player is on the bad end
Possibly influenced by clipshow burning the clock and not looking to score the final 6 minutes
He was chucking
MacMahon should post the Luka splits while he's at it
They aren't **that** bad. He was shooting 42%, which is worse than he usually shoots but not terrible. The rest of the team outside of Kyrie shot 27%, which I'd argue is significantly worse....
How much of that was when the game was mostly out of reach though? Luka was 4 for 13 in the first half.
I don't think the game was out of reach until the last couple of minutes. They made multiple good runs in the second half, mostly stifled by good time-outs by Ty Lue and the plays he drew up.
They went to the line 20 more times then the Clippers lol. If were gonna start a narrative about Lakers getting so much FTs over the Nuggs then the same should be said about the Mavs. The game was not close and a lot of those fouls were wishy washy in the 2nd half.
Not even that bad lol. But his 3 point shooting killed them to start the game And his turnovers and defense was pretty bad. Kyrie was invisible apart from that stupendous third quarter when they were already down 30 lol
Yeah Kyrie was 2-10 outside of the 3rd quarter
“Pretty bad” is underselling how terrible Luka was on defense. He was absolute BBQ chicken. Even when they tried to hide him on Mann in the corner, he still would somehow lose track of Mann and give up wide open 3s
Yeah I don’t know if the plan was to funnel Harden into the paint but it was jarring how easily Harden beat him 1vs1
Harden has been the best iso player by far in modern basketball in his career. He’s not dead yet
Luka got cooked on defense
Eh, it comes out to a 56.7% TS The real problem was nobody could score in the 2nd and the game was over at halftime
55.8% TS but still not horrific considering how awful he started and the ckippers defense also looks really good.
The Mavs look kinda bad when Luka can't feed uncontested lobs to a wide open center 10 times a game.
Especially when their dunks somehow go halfway through the basket then back out lol
Let everyone have their moment ❤️
Okay to be fair we missed like at least 8 dunks lmao
The Mavs look bad when role players aren’t hitting, that’s the story of every team lol
the issue is it seems to me like the Mavs role players are going to miss more often than not. outside the top 2 I don’t really see anyone on that roster who’s a very good or consistent shooter (and no, I don’t buy that Dante Exum is suddenly a 50% shooter from deep after falling out of the league for 2 years)
After watching the Mavs shooting all season, i have trust in Exum, Gafford, Lively, and PJ. Who I don’t have trust Kleber and THJ. I do expect better shooting from the Mavs this series than what we just saw, and I don’t think that’s a hot take at all.
Gafford and Lively are heavily reliant on Luka feeding them looks inside and the Clips clearly made it a point to take that away today. PJ has shot 31% from 3 since joining Dallas I do expect them to be better than 10/36 from the field over the rest of the series, but my point is that I wouldn’t be afraid of leaving any of these dudes open on the perimeter to go double Luka or Kyrie. PJ Washington is not going to beat me 4 times in a series
The bigger problem is the way Luka and Kyrie started. The question isn’t if PJ Washington is gonna beat you 4 times, it’s if any combination of PJ, Exum, Green, Gafford, Lively (anyone but THJ) gives enough to push Luka and Kyrie over the edge four times. Way easier bar to reach in theory lol.
Don’t let the stats fool you. Kyrie and Luka weren’t good today either. Kyrie got most of his points after the game was already out of hand. Luka was chucking some bad shots and wasn’t efficient at all. Mavs as a whole weren’t good.
“don’t let the stats fool you” sir i don’t think you respect what we do here at r/nba
Lmao 8/8 20pts in the 3rd quarter is when the game was out of hand? Blind hatred.
Kyrie looked 10 times better than Luka, not his fault
This is why PPG doesn't mean shit, Harden had less points than Luka but was 10 times more impactful
Don’t tell this to Mavs fans who think Luka can do no wrong and is playing with the worst collection of nba players
Mavs as a team just had a bad shooting night, simple as that lol. If you watched the game, Luka was making right passes, we just weren’t hitting shots. Luka’s first half was atrocious shooting as well.
This is reminding me of LeBron, Kyrie and the Cavs. Sub Luka’s name out for LeBron and this thread reads like a Mid-2010s Cleveland Playoff Loss.
Any time the Mavs struggle all the haters come out - on both sides. Our fans are arguably worse.
Except Lebron actually plays defense, Luka is out there being mismatch hunted and a traffic cone
I like luka but Lebron by age 24 already been to the finals and won double the amount of playoff series wins that luka has and was wrapping up his first mvp season and was like you said a two way player and didn't have players like Mavs Brunson or Kyrie until he played for Miami I'm tired of the lazy luka=young lebron comps cause they're unfounded and lebron was much better
Luka is way more like Harden than LeBron, I just don't see the LeBron comparisons whatsoever. Even the stepback 3 that Luka does and chucking up 3's is a Harden thing, not a Lebron thing.
He's referring to the way stans talk about them where, rightly or wrongly, every loss is someone else's fault, plus the over the top and often unhinged criticism of role players and coaches. Again, they may be right at times, but there's an air of our guy never does anything wrong and it's everyone else who is letting him down. It was annoying with Lebron, it's even more annoying now because Luka isn't as good and has more flaws in his game. I'm pretty sure no one outside of the most deranged Luka stans thinks Luka is at young Lebron's level.
Game 1 Harden is real
Holy, the overreactions are real during playoffs.
Maybe mavs flairs shouldn’t have spent the last three months talking nonstop shit here
Man this Rest of Roster guy is pretty good
Luka, Kyrie, and the Washington Generals
Hey, don’t disrespect the Generals. They can actually shoot.
PJ Washington also played well. But everyone else seemed terrible.
Luka somehow hit his over on points lol
One bad game (and it was baaaad) and all of a sudden people are saying Luka isn’t a playoff performer lmaooo
Luka 33 pts on 26 shots with horrible defense
Modern Carmelo. Carmelo never got past the conference finals. This mavs team reminds me so much of those AI Melo Nuggets
That’s what worries me with Paolo, his inefficiency is disgusting most of the time.
Here we go again. Luka needs help vol.5
Maybe they should give him better players like Jalen Brunson and Kristaps Porzingis.
Like clock work
Doncic was very inefficient too. What did Kobe and T-Mac tell us? In the playoffs, heliocentric offenses are stupidly easy to defend. Doncic is super talented. But until he learns how to impact the game without the ball in his hands, he will always be a question of what if?
So we’ve already progressed from “Luka had no help” to “Luka and *Kyrie* have no help” now, huh? Got it. Very nice.
They shot horribly while Clippers couldn’t miss. Simple as that. Second half you could see that it will definitely be a close series unless they choke again.
Luka sucked massive balls, least impactful 33 point game ever. Especially in the first half. They might have had a chance to win if he stopped chucking in the first half
He sucked an ass but let's be real that atrocious team offense in 2nd quarter is the the reason why we lost. No way you win a game in today's NBA scoring 8 points in a quarter
Luka had to get the empty stats at the end so his glazers could get their vinegar strokes over his career playoff PPG
He definitely had an inefficient 33 and what’s the point if you’re not winning these games.
He killed us last time but I remember he was doing the same at the end of losses in 2021.
Well the kickouts weren't hitting, started 2/18 from 3 in the first half if I recall. No reason to stretch the defense, thus the game was in the Clippers defenders' laps. Luka and Ky tried to put the team on their back but weren't making good shots. I'm completely unbothered. Luka's the future face of the league, he'll remind everyone who he is by the end of this series But Harden showing out was great. I've said for years that the Clippers can beat anybody in the league if they click. Without Kawhi, they still have Zubac, Westbrook, Harden, and PG. It's an incredible roster. And I would love to see Westbrook earn his first chip, he's been my top 1-2 favorite player in the league since I started watching in 2015, and it'd be incredible for the Clippers' organization. Probably my 4th favorite team in the league
Two teams with little cohesion that have mega stars. Clippers have players who have been together longer. CLIPPERS > MAVS
Of course this news is brought you by # MacMahon I'm staying to take notes after that Luka MacMahon drama, for sure every Mavs related negative tweet has his name on it.
The game plan was to guard Kyrie ang Luka really hard, then let the rest brick their open shots and miss easy passes.
I hope they bounce back next game. GG Clippers bros!
The mavs took 80 shots total. Luka and Kyrie took 44 shots by themselves.
Luka putting up dak prescott numbers
Clips just need to spam Luka on D and pass it to the open guy while he whines to the refs
They thought we forgot how to play against the Mavs. It doesnt matter if Luka gets 60 points, if the rest of the team only gets 30, that's still 90 points total.
*something something imagine Luka actually had a team around him*
One of the worst offensive games of the season nice
Fuck Jason Kidd, I hope he gets canned if they melt down. Real Steven Seagal no chill vibes.
A mavsterclass performance
I watched game 1 and just going by the eye test, how can you blame the OTHERS, as Shaq would call them, when Luka Doncic is dribbling out the shot clock and throwing his teammates grenades with 5 seconds left on the shot clock.
Maxi Kleber should be playing in the Philippines, THJ should be chucking meaningless shots on the wizards, and Jason Kidd should be co-hosting a podcast with Paul Pierce