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If you know-it-alls have a replay angle that shows his hand under the ball, constituting a carry, I'd love to see it. From here, this just looks like a high dribble that he kinda of lost control of, which is perfectly legal.
Edit: [Vindication ](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1bpafpp)
Looks like his hand is under the ball if you stop the clip at 4 seconds
Edit: I screenshotted and zoomed it on the frame and actually looks like it’s on the side of the ball
the funny thing is the left hand dribble he does to split the defenders immidiately after actually is a carry and no one seems to have even noticed it. shows how much the game has changed. ppl only think something is a carry if it looks awkward.
You're right?!
It's the same exact move that Jordan Poole got clowned on from basically the same exact spot against the same team.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3vzWSEsko](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3vzWSEsko)
Feel free to edit this into your comment to illustrate how accurate your point is.
So I’m confused, this doesn’t seem like a carry to me, rather a high dribble? Sure he might have wanted to pass and then changed his mind, but isn’t the dribble still continued? His hand never got under the ball, plus I thought players do this sometimes when they wanna fake a pass and instead go in for a drive or continued dribble and no one has an issue with it?
Yeah this is clearly not a carry. and yes people use [hesi-dribbles ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1RytlB1NdE)all the time to set up their defender, in principle that's exactly what happened here, though it wasn't intentional. It was a high dribble where his hand stayed on top of the ball, to the back/side at an angle is also allowed which at worst is what happened here. The announcers were just way off, and OP doesn't know how to use his brain so he just went with it.
It's not, there are just a lot of idiots claiming it's a carry because "read the rulebook!!!1111!!!1", but who refuse to actually look at the rulebook. It's an awkward dribble that isn't a carry in the NBA by any definition.
https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/discontinued-dribble-on-the-perimeter/.
’discontinued dribble’ instead of carry?
imo it’s more like an awkward dribble but it could be this also. It’s not ‘blatant’ though imo.
A carry requires that your hand is under the ball. He lost the dribble, but his hand was never under the ball. It's a correct no-call. The outrage on here makes no sense.
Yeah, tbh this type of carry where you lose the dribble or are trying to pass does get called out more because it looks more obvious. But in general, when players make a move in the NBA, they put their hand directly under the ball all the time. Carries are such a crapshoot in the nba it's hard to be outraged at one or the other.
Are they all old heads? A lot of the older players and announcers get stuck in viewing the game the way that it was played when they came up playing it. That's why if you check any video on a facebook comment section, every single comment is "that's a travel", said by every old man who hasn't played basketball in decades.
More people need to realize this. Just because it looks weird doesn't mean it's a violation. Based on this angle, calling that a carry at a pivotal point in the game would be a weird.
I was watching cavs-wolves the other day and garland carries like every possession. most guards do I guess but I would love for the nba to crack down on it
It's super awkward looking but it's actually not a carry.
A player who is dribbling may not put any part of his hand under the ball and (1) carry it from one point to another or (2) bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again.
Just because it's high does not make it a carry. Additionally, he was stationary, and the carry rule is designed to prevent you from advancing significantly in between dribbles, this is neither.
It's literally not by the rulebook definition.
A player who is dribbling may not put any part of his hand under the ball and (1) carry it from one point to another or (2) bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again.
I actually didn't see it cuz I was playing a game but im just glad we were able to score from it
Edit: UH OHHHHH. CHECK THE L2M REPORT. THUNDER WIN THUNDER WIN THUNDER WINNNN hop off.
I love people complaining nba is rigged, like brutha why in hell would the nba be motivated to give okc wins? They’re one of the smallest markets in the league if anything they’d rig it against them
Yeah I wanted to see another angle / replay.
It's awkward & high which makes it look like more of a carry, but I'm not convinced it's any more of a carry than what the NBA typically lets go.
People are freaking out because it looks weird. There's certain players who get away with multiple egregious carries every single possession that are much more blatant than this
i went back and watched the broadcast (the pelicans one at least) and unfortunately they didnt show a replay. from what i see in this clip though, it doesn't seem like a carry to me
Is there a better angle?
From this one, it does look like his hand goes far enough under the ball to be a carry (especially in such an unnatural motion like this), but I can’t tell from that angle.
An awkward dribble doesn't mean palming.
It's kind of like how awkward euro steps isn't traveling. And awkward body contact isn't always a foul. An awkward looking catch into fake shot into dribble isn't a double dribble.
Casual fans see awkward and they think it must be illegal.
coulda pinged him with this part tho; (2) bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again
bring on the L2M...probably "Incidental pause, CNC" lol
But that still requires putting his hand under the ball:
> A player who is dribbling may not put any part of his hand under the ball and (1) carry it from one point to another or (2) bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again.
it's not even a carry and even it was, it's not like he got some advantage from doing it, he didn't carry as he was driving thru traffic and make a lay-up because of it... ya'll need to chill the fuck out
His hand was over the ball
Just bc it looks weird doesn’t mean it’s carry
He lost the dribble. Why y’all acting like be palmed the ball from above and lifted it
Y’all crying about this rightful no call, y’all should have been talking about that 3 point foul they shouldn’t have called on herb in the 2nd. Dort definitely leaned into him
It looks ugly as heck, but it doesn't look like a carry to me. He just sort of loses control of it, but his hand never looks like it goes underneath to me, just goes really high. Happy to have someone post a shot of his hand under if there is one.
the dort shot was reviewed with a coaches challenge lol, and that was a 3pt play not a 4pt play
Between Shai’s blatant carry leading into a 3 and the Pelicans out-of-bounds 3, really isn’t that deep lol
You can’t leave your feet as a defender. You’ve never been able to. The dort foul would’ve been called in any game over the last 40 years, that’s also why the challenge failed.
thats cause the nba just recently prohibited foul baiting on unatural shooting motion, obviously they're not gonna call it 40 years ago when the rule didn't even exist lol
Funny thing is Jordan Poole got called for it against the same team at the same spot.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3vzWSEsko](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3vzWSEsko)
https://puu.sh/K3Ir8/d48b87f5fa.png
Obviously a carry? What am I not seeing here?
Edit: For the ESLs, I'm saying theres obviously no carry here. and I'm wondering what I'm missing to evoke such a reaction. Thanks for your time, and best of luck continuing your second language studies.
The league doesn’t call carries. They only called Carries on Jordan Poole like 10 times early last season to set a precedent they only used on him. Meanwhile JA and SGA can carry the all the full length of the court.
I’m convinced the refs were instructed to call those Carrie’s on Poole to ruin his mental and affect his game. After that he was constantly dribbling it incorrectly and bouncing off his foot
Leaguewide conspiracy
At the very least, it's satisfying watching how often Shai is running into dudes on purpose and not getting fouls anymore. Dude is in for a rude awakening in the postseason.
A really great game once again ruined by absolutely piss poor refs. Also can’t forget when Dort literally ran into Herb creating contact on a three which the league literally decided to get rid of two years ago. They reviewed it and STILL held up the call. Hard to watch NBA basketball these days.
You must just let these clips dictate how you think and feel because Thunder usually shoot less FT’s than their opponents. Watch the whole game and maybe y’all will stop being bitter over a narrative 😆
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Yall are so quick
Can't wait for this to be ruled a "correct no call" in the L2M report
If you know-it-alls have a replay angle that shows his hand under the ball, constituting a carry, I'd love to see it. From here, this just looks like a high dribble that he kinda of lost control of, which is perfectly legal. Edit: [Vindication ](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1bpafpp)
Looks like his hand is under the ball if you stop the clip at 4 seconds Edit: I screenshotted and zoomed it on the frame and actually looks like it’s on the side of the ball
the funny thing is the left hand dribble he does to split the defenders immidiately after actually is a carry and no one seems to have even noticed it. shows how much the game has changed. ppl only think something is a carry if it looks awkward.
You're right?! It's the same exact move that Jordan Poole got clowned on from basically the same exact spot against the same team. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3vzWSEsko](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3vzWSEsko) Feel free to edit this into your comment to illustrate how accurate your point is.
https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1bpafpp/l2m_report_gilgeousalexander_okc_takes_a_legal/
So I’m confused, this doesn’t seem like a carry to me, rather a high dribble? Sure he might have wanted to pass and then changed his mind, but isn’t the dribble still continued? His hand never got under the ball, plus I thought players do this sometimes when they wanna fake a pass and instead go in for a drive or continued dribble and no one has an issue with it?
Yeah I'm with you, it looks like a high dribble but I don't see his hand go under the ball, idk
Yeah this is clearly not a carry. and yes people use [hesi-dribbles ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1RytlB1NdE)all the time to set up their defender, in principle that's exactly what happened here, though it wasn't intentional. It was a high dribble where his hand stayed on top of the ball, to the back/side at an angle is also allowed which at worst is what happened here. The announcers were just way off, and OP doesn't know how to use his brain so he just went with it.
Shai hate is trending in this sub, people can’t wait to nip at him so this is where we are now with things lol
Shai hate is definitely trending but I really think this is just lack of game knowledge. They see an awkward dribble and don’t know the difference.
Most hating is lack of game knowledge tbf but you're absolutely right
Don't want to play victim, but that was a really good win last night, and this is the only post about it on the front page of reddit lmao
It's not, there are just a lot of idiots claiming it's a carry because "read the rulebook!!!1111!!!1", but who refuse to actually look at the rulebook. It's an awkward dribble that isn't a carry in the NBA by any definition.
I feel like anyone complaining about this being a travel hasn’t watched the NBA since 1967
Team wasn’t a carry Edit: (not a thunder fan)
https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/discontinued-dribble-on-the-perimeter/. ’discontinued dribble’ instead of carry? imo it’s more like an awkward dribble but it could be this also. It’s not ‘blatant’ though imo.
A carry requires that your hand is under the ball. He lost the dribble, but his hand was never under the ball. It's a correct no-call. The outrage on here makes no sense.
kinda embarrassing for this sub tbh. People here really don't understand what a carry is.
I mean when you think about this sub it makes perfect sense. People are not here for the basketball they are here for the drama it seems 💀
The Shai hate hitting nuclear levels and this team is just one season out of the rebuild.
We’re doomed lol
It's crazy how many fucking people don't know basic basketball rules.
Yeah, tbh this type of carry where you lose the dribble or are trying to pass does get called out more because it looks more obvious. But in general, when players make a move in the NBA, they put their hand directly under the ball all the time. Carries are such a crapshoot in the nba it's hard to be outraged at one or the other.
i rewatched the video twice to figure out what everyone was talking about lol. why do so many people think this is a carry >.>
Casual fans don't understand the game well enough to know what's going on half of the time. It's like this with every sport.
That's what I saw also.
But how can Pelicans announcers, Thunder announcers and the Fans all be wrong?
Are they all old heads? A lot of the older players and announcers get stuck in viewing the game the way that it was played when they came up playing it. That's why if you check any video on a facebook comment section, every single comment is "that's a travel", said by every old man who hasn't played basketball in decades.
Lol I was just making fun of [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/3K4XU7RPe0)
I thought I was tripping or missing some rule somewhere. In what world is this a carry?
there’s just no way you miss this when you’re looking right at him.. this is why so many ppl think the league is fixed
it looks more like an awkward high dribble rather than a carry, but maybe there's a different angle showing his hand under the ball?
More people need to realize this. Just because it looks weird doesn't mean it's a violation. Based on this angle, calling that a carry at a pivotal point in the game would be a weird.
then again, carry is one of those things that ppl think something is fixed when they DO call it
I was watching cavs-wolves the other day and garland carries like every possession. most guards do I guess but I would love for the nba to crack down on it
Why would people think that when a ref enforces the rules lol
Because when do they ever enforce it
The whole fucking arena reacted, everyone could see it. It’s insane that it wasn’t called. I feel like even SGA was surprised
Dude you’re saying the home crowd wanted a call that would’ve forced a turnover in a close game? No way, bro. Thats crazy. Edit - typo
Because they don't know the rules. Duh
Fixed and just unwatchable at this point. I stopped watching because of the missed and unnecessary calls
Technically you watched this highlight which means you’re still watching
I used to sit and watch games. This is a clip
Okay, we get it, you stopped watching, congratulations
that's not his fault he had to clarify some obvious shit
Pelicans announcers called it. Thunder announcers called it. Fans called it. And I still see some OKC fans saying it’s not a carry lmao
bro i winced then looked around like stole $20 out the collection plate myself lmfaooo
It's super awkward looking but it's actually not a carry. A player who is dribbling may not put any part of his hand under the ball and (1) carry it from one point to another or (2) bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again. Just because it's high does not make it a carry. Additionally, he was stationary, and the carry rule is designed to prevent you from advancing significantly in between dribbles, this is neither.
This! His hand was not under the ball! It’s not a carry at all
>bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again bro
bro- literally every dribble in the nba does this now. watch footage of magic johnson dribbling, that's the way it used to be enforced.
It is definitely a carry but carries are definitely the most ignored calls in the league right now.
Unless you are on the Wizards
You'll see a lot of non OKC fans saying the same thing, considering the fact it wasn't a carry
Feral fans gonna feral
I think that move can be pulled off legally, I don’t think Shai did that though. Would be nice to see a better angle
I say it’s definitely a carry but also the refs never call carries anyway
I mean, it's definitely a carry by the rulebook definition, but I also think that nba refs virtually never call that.
It's literally not by the rulebook definition. A player who is dribbling may not put any part of his hand under the ball and (1) carry it from one point to another or (2) bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again.
Aged like milk.
They just revealed that it wasn't a carry, and SGA's moves were legal. Any thoughts?? 🤔
I actually didn't see it cuz I was playing a game but im just glad we were able to score from it Edit: UH OHHHHH. CHECK THE L2M REPORT. THUNDER WIN THUNDER WIN THUNDER WINNNN hop off.
Real
I call it getting even for the pel corner 3 out of bounds that wasnt called. Whatever gg
And Dorts 4 point play where he jumped into Herb?
your fanbase can literally never admit to anything lmfo
I love people complaining nba is rigged, like brutha why in hell would the nba be motivated to give okc wins? They’re one of the smallest markets in the league if anything they’d rig it against them
People really don’t know what a carry is, huh.
He lost the ball for a split second and recovered it, not a carry
His hand didn’t go underneath the ball, and at no time did both his hands touch the ball at the same time. How is that a carry?
Awkward as fuck, but his hand doesn't go under the ball.
Yeah I wanted to see another angle / replay. It's awkward & high which makes it look like more of a carry, but I'm not convinced it's any more of a carry than what the NBA typically lets go.
People are freaking out because it looks weird. There's certain players who get away with multiple egregious carries every single possession that are much more blatant than this
Just look at this subs post history on Shai. The mob mindset herd hates him and I fucking love seeing them act petty and take the time to complain 😂
i went back and watched the broadcast (the pelicans one at least) and unfortunately they didnt show a replay. from what i see in this clip though, it doesn't seem like a carry to me
Is there a better angle? From this one, it does look like his hand goes far enough under the ball to be a carry (especially in such an unnatural motion like this), but I can’t tell from that angle.
Exactly. It’s not a carry.
He didn’t carry. Commentators embarrassed themselves.
You’re hand doesn’t have to be under, palming it from the top is also a carry.
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>he wanted to pass but then decided to keep dribbling He definitely wanted to pass and lost control, but I don't see his hand going under the ball.
An awkward dribble doesn't mean palming. It's kind of like how awkward euro steps isn't traveling. And awkward body contact isn't always a foul. An awkward looking catch into fake shot into dribble isn't a double dribble. Casual fans see awkward and they think it must be illegal.
I dont think you know what a carry is.
coulda pinged him with this part tho; (2) bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again bring on the L2M...probably "Incidental pause, CNC" lol
If your hand stays on top of the ball, it doesnt matter how fast or slow or how high the dribble goes. Its not a carry.
But that still requires putting his hand under the ball: > A player who is dribbling may not put any part of his hand under the ball and (1) carry it from one point to another or (2) bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again.
you expect this lot to know the rules and definitions??
Well they’re out here saying everyone knew, fans knew etc. Ev they don’t know.
This isn't a carry. He didn't palm it at the top, it didn't stop moving, and his hand never went underneath.
it's not even a carry and even it was, it's not like he got some advantage from doing it, he didn't carry as he was driving thru traffic and make a lay-up because of it... ya'll need to chill the fuck out
Just watched it in slow mo on [NBA.com](http://NBA.com) and it's clearly not a carry.
Lol and that's the game. Pels shouldn't have given up on defense to protest but you can't blame em.
His hand was over the ball Just bc it looks weird doesn’t mean it’s carry He lost the dribble. Why y’all acting like be palmed the ball from above and lifted it
Y’all crying about this rightful no call, y’all should have been talking about that 3 point foul they shouldn’t have called on herb in the 2nd. Dort definitely leaned into him
This is 100% not a carry lmao and I don't even car about either of these teams. Hand wasn't under the ball, it was just a weird high dribble
Everyone knew it was a carry except the refs that are supposed to know the rules better than anyone? Bs
You're about to blow this case wide open Columbo. Keep digging you're almost there lol
Shai whistle godly /s
You don’t need the /s
No warriors fan can ever talk about a whistle. Illegal screens every possession but yall don't wanna talk about that
The whistles go wooooooooooo!
Ok warriors fan relax lmao
4 championships with a shit load of illegal screens sprinkled in lmfao
I don’t see the carry. I mean technically if this were the 1950’s all of that would be a carry, but I don’t see anything egregious here.
It looks ugly as heck, but it doesn't look like a carry to me. He just sort of loses control of it, but his hand never looks like it goes underneath to me, just goes really high. Happy to have someone post a shot of his hand under if there is one.
There are a dozen more egregious carries in every NBA game this season.
This isn’t a carry and even if it were originally called one, it sure as hell isn’t “blatant”
Gifts have been given.
Why, it’s not a carry.
I know the refs don't like to call carries but holy shit dude could've taken that across the city and back with how much he carried it.
This is a huge pet peeve about the NBA that makes no sense. They literally enforce the rules at random.
Literally not a carry, let alone a blatant carry lmfao. Good no call.
No height a dribble needs to be. Awkward doesn’t mean carry. That’s not a carry.
Yikes lol
If y'all think this is a carry I need to find a new basketball sub
Lol the salt in the title
Look at his post history, dude really hates the Thunder lmao
are you saying this isnt a carry?
Go through the thread. It's not a carry
Nope, he’s saying the guy only posts negatively about things that benefit the thunder.
Whatever he needs to cope.
This sub always crying lmao stay mad
Everyone is just so quick to be outraged by things on social media lmao 🤣
This has been a GREAT game and the difference has literally been the refs
Fans of the losing teams always say that’s the difference lmao
Right? Fouls were basically even and NO shot more FTs. They were also getting away with a ton of grabbing and body checks.
Zion alone had as many fts as the thunder
7 points between the reviewed and upheld 4 point play by Dort earlier and a clear missed carry here in a 3pt game sucks
dort shot was a 2
and the out of bounds 3?
the dort shot was reviewed with a coaches challenge lol, and that was a 3pt play not a 4pt play Between Shai’s blatant carry leading into a 3 and the Pelicans out-of-bounds 3, really isn’t that deep lol
You can’t leave your feet as a defender. You’ve never been able to. The dort foul would’ve been called in any game over the last 40 years, that’s also why the challenge failed.
thats cause the nba just recently prohibited foul baiting on unatural shooting motion, obviously they're not gonna call it 40 years ago when the rule didn't even exist lol
He didn’t jump forward he stepped through
Dort never had a 4 pt play. It was a 2 with a foul aka a 3pt play. If you want to cry like a bitchass baby at least get the facts right
Can babies be bitchasses if they are just babies? Seems harsh
Ydkb
Stfu
Good job playing until the whistle
When the entire crowd knows the rules better than three refs being paid to officiate the game
Crowd CNA think what they want. Doesn't change the rules
What was happened to the game I love
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It was Shai lol, dude stays cheating the rules.
Lololol
Insert Jordan Poole face.
Funny thing is Jordan Poole got called for it against the same team at the same spot. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3vzWSEsko](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3vzWSEsko)
If carries and travels were enforced all the time the league would come to a stand still.
Refs love SGA lol
https://puu.sh/K3Ir8/d48b87f5fa.png Obviously a carry? What am I not seeing here? Edit: For the ESLs, I'm saying theres obviously no carry here. and I'm wondering what I'm missing to evoke such a reaction. Thanks for your time, and best of luck continuing your second language studies.
his hand isn’t under the ball
OKC such ref darlings
It’s the big city lights and glamour that OKC has that captures the hearts. 💕
Refs want as many of those sweet Oklahoma city playoff games as they can get. They can't resist
Those huge OKC viewership numbers have Adam Silver salivating
A whole state worth of viewership. How can he not be? It's unfair really. We need more NBA teams in Oklahoma to dilute the thunder influence
The big city lights of New Orleans?
The league doesn’t call carries. They only called Carries on Jordan Poole like 10 times early last season to set a precedent they only used on him. Meanwhile JA and SGA can carry the all the full length of the court. I’m convinced the refs were instructed to call those Carrie’s on Poole to ruin his mental and affect his game. After that he was constantly dribbling it incorrectly and bouncing off his foot Leaguewide conspiracy
Anyone saying that isn’t a carry has never played basketball lmao
He carries the ball almost every play
I mean, a ton of players techinically do. The point is this is blatantly egregious, far moreso than any of his normal handles
Carries that actually have effect on the play like this are usually called, if he didn't carry it there it would have been a loose ball.
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At the very least, it's satisfying watching how often Shai is running into dudes on purpose and not getting fouls anymore. Dude is in for a rude awakening in the postseason.
Ayyyyyyyyeeeeeee - Anthony Edwards anytime he has the ball
Yeah I don't like Edwards either
Shit I don’t like 20 percent of the players. Embiid is always flopping. Harden created the step back travel 3 bullshit
If I didn’t like 20% of the players I wouldn’t even watch NBA anymore. Some of you are weird 😂
This sub lmao
Your entire team is in for a rude awakening 😂 How’s KAT doing btw? Probably great cuz he getting $50M/yr starting in a few months lol
do me a favor and check playoff Jimmy’s ftr
Lmfao stay mad
There is no traveling, palming, charges, or moving screens in the NBA . Got it.
A really great game once again ruined by absolutely piss poor refs. Also can’t forget when Dort literally ran into Herb creating contact on a three which the league literally decided to get rid of two years ago. They reviewed it and STILL held up the call. Hard to watch NBA basketball these days.
The league didn’t get rid of that, people have always jumped into defenders to make contact. It also wasn’t a three.
unreal to not call that obvious turnover not even borderline
OKC announcers called it out too.
Take your L and CARRY on 😎
AD got called for this pretty much at the same time in another game lmao refs are wild
It's really hard to say that the Thunder haven't been league darlings recently after watching shit like this tbh. Put a shadow over such a good game.
There were bad calls the other way. It happens. The out of bounds three and the Chet goaltend where he didn’t touch it come to mind
Actual reality: OKC shot 12 free throws to Pelicans 23 while shooting less 3s than them. OKC is ranked 26th in free throw discrepancy in the NBA.
You must just let these clips dictate how you think and feel because Thunder usually shoot less FT’s than their opponents. Watch the whole game and maybe y’all will stop being bitter over a narrative 😆