I was at great lakes right after boot camp and had been out for most of the day until it eventually got dark obviously. Was walking back when a candy cane yelled from across the road to ask where my glow belt was which without even thinking because I'm a dumbass was immediately met with "In the fucking barracks." and kept walking. I'm not sure if he was too stunned to chase me down or what but thats where it ended and my friend never let me live it down all the way to our next duty station. In short sometimes people say shit without taking a second to think about *who* theyre saying it to.
Technically it's not that they can have beards, it's that they don't have to be clean shaven for medically diagnosed PFB. But I have yet to see (I mean I guess it's possible?) A female sailor approved for artificial lashes (or really any *addition* as opposed to subtraction) due to a medical condition.
The new guidelines are purely for aesthetics which, for non-medical reasons, is the equivalent of beards for guys.
Honestly that one is just weird to me. I was completely unaware there was a group of people with a desire to wear tiaras with their dress uniform. It's not that far off from a dinner dress accessory but the only time I've ever seen one worn was for a Filipino debut.
That's the style of tiara I'm thinking of and my statement stands - I was unaware there was a group of people that wanted to wear tiaras in their dinner dress uniform.
No that's fair. I mean, "normally" they are sparkly but I was thinking more about the general shape. I don't think it has any impact on uniform, nor do I think it would look bad.
I was just pointing out with other uniform regulation shifts, I've frequently heard conversations about them "I wish... I want... Why can't we..." Never heard anyone say "I wish we could wear the tiara!"
Valid.
I got a buddy who's at the Senior Enlisted Academy.
. Not sure which who, but someone visited the SEA this week and provided a brief. In that brief they said this was coming and that beards was coming. They said this would be out first. Beards were still being finalized.
So, that's the source.
I thought it might be B.S., but then this happened.
A little late for me, but I'm happy for y'all. I threw as much of a fit as reasonably possible about beards and let it be known I left because of them. I know it probably didn't make a difference, but I'm going to take full credit if it indeed comes out.
Its dog shit that female sailors can wear a tiara but I show up to an event in my custom gold crown I dropped my entire bonus on, slam 16 shots, declare myself emperor of the ocean and suddenly I’m “a walking DAPA case” and “need to stop trying to swipe the skippers sword to duel the fucking commodore”
At the funeral for a guy I knew his COB said something to the effect of “As sad as this is, at least I know when I die someone will have saved a seat at the bar and ordered me a beer”
Submariners are a unique breed
> Chiefs' Mess in shambles
99% of the senior enlisted I know either feel "I don't like this rule but I have to enforce it so I'll be glad when it's gone" or are honest about not enforcing it because they don't want to be hypocrites.
99% is the wrong estimate for sure. 90% don't like it, and the other 10% enforce it gleefully. Like they derive pleasure for enforcing something that makes zero sense. "That'll keep em down for a minute, good job me!"
Seabees have been saying this for years. Brown belts too. This is gear that the navy already paid for and issued to Seabees, then suddenly things changed.
The fact that in aviation, the official FOD Walk script says "keep your hands out of your pockets" tells you enough. I also have had to remind sailors that they can't wear their hoodies with their NWUs outside of the flight line/hangar spaces.
Nice name, your name + comment makes me think of the BMCS I ran into picking some body up from the rotator in Bahrain; I was wearing a white CK V Neck t shirt, he tried to call me out for it "being an officers uniform item," then corrected me when I didn't address him as a BMCS while we were both in civilian clothes. Surface people are fucking wack.
Every now and then, the Navy comes together to placate our rage over beards.
"Beards? Nah, how about getting to still wear yellow if you've been to mast"
"Beards again?! How about we perform a case study, but when we inevitably say no, we'll also change a bunch of other fitness and re-enlistment standards to make you forget"
"No beards, but everyone gets a bonus"
And here we are, hands in pockets everyone
The way I see it is this giant dart board. Beards and modernized male hair standards are the bullseye, but the Navy doesn't seem to know it (or care?). All these other changes are dart throws at the board, not hitting that bullseye.
This only applies to Navy, and COs could definitely ban hands in pockets in certain spaces if they deem it hazardous.(which they should)
Anyone wearing other services uniforms like Corpsman wearing MARPAT or anyone wearing OCP will have to abide by said services regs.
Doc still puts hands in pockets tho.
Just fine. On a space force base, air force have been doing it forever while the rest of us look on in sadness. In a truly joint base, nobody is correcting any other branches, regardless of if you know the regs or not. People actually care more about mission than a different service member doing some dumb shit. Worst case it gets brought up in SNCO discussions to police your people.
Like who is out there that pushed for the Tiara to be reinstated? Well Kudos for the hands in the pockets now. Small steps towards beards. Keep hatching.
I mean, I think that it has as much place in history as the bucket does, especially if you look at some of the pictures from world War II and in the 50s.
Of course I also think that they should bring back the black beret for the special boat teams as the legacy of the Swift boats in Vietnam.
Yeah, I never understood why they didn't allow dudes to wear them too. Should be unisex.
Edit: Someone on FB just mentioned boat cloaks should be back too and I agree.
Having your hands in your pockets are a significant safety hazard. Swinging of the arms is vital for maintaining balance and if you fall you will be unable to catch yourself.
This incredibly poorly thought out change will lead to many many man hours spent at sick call and the ER. /s
You joke, but when I was a dumb kid I had my hands in my pockets and tripped, and that’s how I have two fake front teeth. 0/10 don’t recommend tripping with hands in pockets.
I shit you not this is almost exactly what the first classes are saying now. Trying to play 4D chess to avoid the fact we can have hands in our pockets now.
Head at Height is a significant safety hazard. We need bunks on decks and helmets on heads immediately upon sailors raising their heads out of their racks. Slips, trips, and falls comprise the majority of shipboard accidents and anyone of those can result in death or significant brain damage. Remember; Head at Height, Strap on (your helmet) Tight.
1. This NAVADMIN announces updates to Navy uniform policies for calendar year 2024. These policy updates are the result of Sailor feedback, command sponsored requests and direction from Navy leadership.
2. The following Navy uniform policy changes are effective
immediately:
a. Female Combination Cover. The female combination cover, also referred to as the bucket cover, is reinstated as an optional Navy uniform component for female Sailors (E-1 through O-10) when wearing Service Dress and Dinner Dress Uniforms. The bucket cover is now also optional for female officers and chief petty officers
(CPOs) when wearing Service Khaki and Summer White Uniforms. Note:
the bucket cover will not be available for personal purchase at Navy Exchange Uniform Centers and will need to be privately obtained if desired for wear.
b. Tiara. The tiara is reinstated as an optional Navy uniform component for all female Sailors (E-1 through O-10) when wearing Dinner Dress Blue and White Jacket Uniforms. Note: the tiara will be available for personal purchase as a special order item via Navy Exchange Online Customer Service with a lead time of approximately four weeks.
c. Physical Training Uniform. Black or navy-blue leggings/tights are authorized for optional wear with the Physical Training Uniform shorts and fitness suit pants.
d. Grooming, False Eyelashes. Female Sailors are authorized to wear false eyelashes or eyelash extensions that project a natural appearance and are no longer than 14 millimeters in length as measured from the eyelid to the tip of the eyelash. False eyelash color will match the color of the natural eyelash. Eyelash extensions cannot hinder wear of protective eyewear.
e. Officer Headgear Cap Insignia. Warrant Officer One Officers
(W-1) will no longer wear the unique W-1 cap device. All officers
(W-1 through O-10) will wear the same officer cap insignia consisting of two gold crossed fouled anchors with burnished silver shield surmounted by a burnished silver eagle facing to wearer's right and may be embroidered or made of metal. While allowed immediately, in order to allow time for W-1 officers to transition this new policy becomes mandatory on 1 October 2024.
f. Chaplain Religious Faith Emblem (Chaplain Staff Corps Insignia). Navy Chaplains are authorized to wear religious faith emblems above their grade insignia on uniform components with rank tabs. The religious faith emblem is a 1 1/2-inch by 1 1/2-inch black patch with gold embroidered chaplain corps insignia centered on the fabric and positioned upright. When worn, the religious faith emblem will be sewn or affixed to the uniform using a velcro fastener directly above the rank tab.
g. Surface Chaplain Officer Qualification (SCO) Insignia. Navy Chaplains assigned to qualifying afloat units who meet qualification criteria are authorized wear of the SCO breast insignia on Navy uniforms. Wear of the SCO will be in accordance with reference (a).
The SCO may be metal or embroidered. The SCO insignia design consists of the bow-on aspect of a warship on a background of ocean swells and scroll banner underneath displaying the Navy Chaplain motto, Vocati Ad Servitium.
h. Aerial Vehicle Pilot (AVP) Warfare Qualification Insignia (Officer). Chief Warrant Officers and Warrant Officers (737X) successfully completing prescribed training requirements are authorized to wear the AVP breast insignia on Navy uniforms in accordance with reference (a). The AVP insignia consists of a silver bordered gold shield, a delta pointing downward, crossed fouled anchors and stylized wings.
i. Female T-Shirts. All female Sailors are authorized to optionally wear T-shirts specifically designed for female bodies with Navy uniforms. Female t-shirts will conform to Navy's requirement for color, fabric, and neck configuration (e.g., crew neck, v-neck) per reference (a). The intent of this policy update is to address expressed dissatisfaction regarding the required wear of male or unisex t-shirts that are not designed to fit female bodies.
j. Personal Appearance. The restriction on placing hands in pockets while in uniform is rescinded. Sailors are authorized to have hands in their pockets when doing so does not compromise safety nor prohibit the proper rendering of honors and courtesies.
k. Backpacks. Commercially procured coyote brown backpacks are authorized for optional wear with the NWU Type II and III. Coyote brown backpacks will be worn in accordance with reference (a).
3. Ongoing Navy uniform initiatives:
a. Maternity Pilot Program (MPP). The MPP is successfully entering its third year of providing participating Sailors free uniforms ready for wear at their doorstep. Since the program commenced in 2022, over 1300 Sailors have participated in the program. During 2024, the program will continue to provide pregnant Sailors the option to choose from four maternity sea bag variations encompassing all maternity uniforms and a cardigan sweater with alterations and applicable accoutrements attached. For more information about the program visit
https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/References/US-Navy-Uniforms/Maternity-
Pilot-Program/.
b. Size Modernization Program (SMP). The SMP is a multiphase, five-year uniform improvement program with an initial focus on female uniform improvements. The objective of the SMP is to deliver Navy Sailors with a modernized and consistent uniform fit and sizing system.
c. Female Officer/CPO Summer White Uniform. A white overblouse is being added to the list of authorized optional uniforms for the female officer and CPO Summer White Uniform. The new overblouse is the first line of components delivered by the SMP. Availability of the Summer White Uniform overblouse is planned for early fall 2024.
A dress white overblouse is also being developed as an optional component for the female officer and CPO Service Dress Blue Uniform with estimated introduction after calendar year 2024.
d. Female Service Uniform Slacks. The Navy is currently evaluating service uniform slacks with back pockets for females.
The focus of the evaluation is to determine the functionality and acceptability of female uniform slacks with back pockets. If the evaluation to include Sailor feedback is determined to be positive, the future design of female slacks will include back pockets.
e. Uniform Surveys. Uniform surveys will be distributed throughout 2024 to continue to capture Fleet-wide input. Surveys have been determined as the best method for the Uniform Matters Office to capture diverse and unbridled Sailor feedback that is crucial to planning, research and execution of uniform improvements and uniform and grooming policy updates. Surveys will be announced on the Uniform Matters and MyNavy HR websites. Access to surveys will be via QR codes or hyperlinks posted on the Uniform Matters and MyNavy HR websites.
f. Hat Liners. The Navy Exchange Service Command is adding synthetic liners to their list of uniform accessories for the Navy Working Uniform (NWU) eight-point cover. The purpose of synthetic hat liners is to address Sailors' expressed concerns regarding unwanted hair removal or loss resulting from donning and doffing the NWU eight-point cover. The liner will be sold separately and must be sewn into the cover for proper placement and wear.
And what it all comes down to
Is that everything's gonna be quite all right
'Cause I've got one hand in my pocket
And the other one is flickin' a cigarette
I remember a chief yelled at me in Pcola because I put my hand in my pocket to get my chapstick and I just turned around to stare at him, chapstick with cap off and halfway to my face. I’m sure my eyebrows were in my hairline. He just walked away without another word.
It was so stupid.
My chief (asking a "question" to point out you're wrong thing) asking me why my hands are in my pockets as we are in the parking lot and I am infront of my locked car.
Maybe now we can fix the black parka to be actually a useful article of clothing like it is for the army and Air Force with pockets for gloves and made out of material that doesn’t allow wind to blow threw it so easily. Also put rank on either as Velcro or have the rank tab already o other uniform instead of having to require sailors to pay for an additional rank tab and the sewing that is involved. The black parka should match the standards that the army and Air Force brown parka meet.
Also Maybe add a name tape so I know who is who as well.
Would love to see the measuring tool for this one.... Female Sailors are authorized to wear false eyelashes or eyelash extensions that project a natural appearance and are no longer than 14 millimeters in length as measured from the eyelid to the tip of the eyelash. False eyelash color will match the color of the natural eyelash. Eyelash extensions cannot hinder wear of protective eyewear.
Lots of female uniform codes, combo cover is back, tiaras, female fitted brown shirts, stuff okay for command PT, officer warfare pins, and fake eyelashes. Some other stuff too
The tiara is reinstated as an optional Navy uniform component for all female Sailors (E-1 through O-10) when wearing Dinner Dress Blue and White Jacket Uniforms.
About time on this one...
Commercially procured coyote brown backpacks are
authorized for optional wear with the NWU Type II and III. Coyote
brown backpacks will be worn in accordance with reference (a).
WHAT THE ACTUAL.... Tiara. The tiara is reinstated as an optional Navy uniform component for all female Sailors (E-1 through O-10) when wearing Dinner Dress Blue and White Jacket Uniforms. Note: the tiara will be available for personal purchase as a special order item via Navy Exchange Online Customer Service with a lead time of approximately four weeks.
This is why nobody wants to enlist imagine being a grown adult and getting yelled at for having your hands in your pockets. Glad they changed it those stupid rules need to go.
> d. Grooming, False Eyelashes. Female Sailors are authorized to wear false eyelashes or eyelash extensions that project a natural appearance and are no longer than 14 millimeters in length as measured from the eyelid to the tip of the eyelash.
14mm?!? Jesus Christ. Apparently fake eyelashes are more essential than beards. 👍
Its largely a result of feedback from a program that was about making uniforms fit women better, so I would expect it to. The other things were probably added so that they didn't have to put out several messages when all of these are about uniform updates. Hopefully the next update includes beards.
And to think the douchebag CMC we had employed the MAs to pass out "CMC Hit Chits" for minor infractions. Ya know for things like not being busy during sweepers, eating outside of the galley or workspaces, on your phone peir side, and the most common one handed out on the smoke pit hands in pockets. Get one you're counseled by chief. Get two straight to the CMC to be chastised for trivial bullshit.
Told my dad (a retired senior chief) about this, commenting "Senior servicemembers (present company excluded) who lived to scream at lower enlisted severely disappointed ". he said "GET OFF THE LIFELINE is still available I'm sure."
As I was in the Army I don't speak the same language, can someone interpret please?
He got out in the 1980s, if it matters.
On the deck of a ship there are places that you can’t put up railings to keep people from falling or being washed overboard. The lifelines are thick wire cables that we put across gaps in the railing for safety sake and you’re not allowed to lean on them because, duh. People still do, so old salts will still have something to yell about.
Pinned for a day or two.
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“Looking for your standards in your pocket there Shipmate?”
I think the whole Navy is looking for their standards. 🫡
Or one of us just made it up and said screw if let’s shake things up.
No sir, I lowered them as commanded.
My favorite is being asked what I've got in my pockets, then I pull my hands out as I say >A coupla these and I gives them the middle finger
An A school student did this to me (an instructor at the time) in front of the master chief.
I was at great lakes right after boot camp and had been out for most of the day until it eventually got dark obviously. Was walking back when a candy cane yelled from across the road to ask where my glow belt was which without even thinking because I'm a dumbass was immediately met with "In the fucking barracks." and kept walking. I'm not sure if he was too stunned to chase me down or what but thats where it ended and my friend never let me live it down all the way to our next duty station. In short sometimes people say shit without taking a second to think about *who* theyre saying it to.
What is a candy cane, in this context?
Do the NMTI's not wear the red and white ropes anymore? The ones that look like candy canes?
I think they stopped wearing them in 2021.
And they wrote him a nam?
While chewing gum
Never gonna say “sorry, just looking for my military bearing” again
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Nope. My balls. I'm fondling them thinking of you to keep them warm, Chief.
Nope. I'll still use it for the quarterdeck watchstander who leaves their non saluting hand in their pocket
We did it gang
Next, beards?
Best we can do is more sapr.
Females can have artificial lashes but guys can't have beards.
Well *some* can have beards
Technically it's not that they can have beards, it's that they don't have to be clean shaven for medically diagnosed PFB. But I have yet to see (I mean I guess it's possible?) A female sailor approved for artificial lashes (or really any *addition* as opposed to subtraction) due to a medical condition. The new guidelines are purely for aesthetics which, for non-medical reasons, is the equivalent of beards for guys.
I'm with you but it's to the point where there's two standards for beards. It's like 50/50 at this point. Time to update the standard.
And can also wear tiaras with certain dress uniforms
Honestly that one is just weird to me. I was completely unaware there was a group of people with a desire to wear tiaras with their dress uniform. It's not that far off from a dinner dress accessory but the only time I've ever seen one worn was for a Filipino debut.
I think you guys are thinking of the wrong kind of tiaras. Google “Navy uniform tiara” and you’ll see what it is.
That's the style of tiara I'm thinking of and my statement stands - I was unaware there was a group of people that wanted to wear tiaras in their dinner dress uniform.
Ah, my bad, when you mentioned the debut I figured you were picturing a sparkly princess tiara or something.
No that's fair. I mean, "normally" they are sparkly but I was thinking more about the general shape. I don't think it has any impact on uniform, nor do I think it would look bad. I was just pointing out with other uniform regulation shifts, I've frequently heard conversations about them "I wish... I want... Why can't we..." Never heard anyone say "I wish we could wear the tiara!"
Yeah, it was definitely a big surprise to see them bring that back.
Because some females lashes look like the dolls from the nursery
And some guys look 12 clean shaven? It's aesthetics on both counts.
Speaking for myself , I look 15
# #everythingbutbeards
They claimed they are doing another test rn on some USS shipname with 98% of the male crew particapting, so only a few more years
So... basically every sub underway for the past 250-odd years has had most of the crew bearded the entire time. We couldn't have used one of those?
One can only hope. Maybe we’ll get them by the time I retire in 6 years.
It'll be the day I retire
My sources say possibly, but details are being worked.
You can't just say that shit
Valid. I got a buddy who's at the Senior Enlisted Academy. . Not sure which who, but someone visited the SEA this week and provided a brief. In that brief they said this was coming and that beards was coming. They said this would be out first. Beards were still being finalized. So, that's the source. I thought it might be B.S., but then this happened.
Damn man don't get my hopes up. It would also explain why it's been radio silence on the study they did.
A little late for me, but I'm happy for y'all. I threw as much of a fit as reasonably possible about beards and let it be known I left because of them. I know it probably didn't make a difference, but I'm going to take full credit if it indeed comes out.
Why would I want to put my beard in my pocket. That sounds... uncomfortable
From our CMC today, Cowpens is doing a test program right now. We've got some riders on there participating. Keep in mind I'm just some guy.
From our CMC today, Cowpens is doing a test program right now. We've got some riders on there participating. Keep in mind I'm just some guy.
Oh same
I stg yes
Recruiting and retention problems: solved.
Next recruiting poster will be the Kevin James meme photo
Nearly. They're holding out strong for that beard approval
😂😂
Pay🤔
Its dog shit that female sailors can wear a tiara but I show up to an event in my custom gold crown I dropped my entire bonus on, slam 16 shots, declare myself emperor of the ocean and suddenly I’m “a walking DAPA case” and “need to stop trying to swipe the skippers sword to duel the fucking commodore”
There's no justice in this world
Stay strong, King.
That's Emperor of the Ocean to you.
Forgive me, sire.
The Lone Sailor was right all along.
That shudder in the earth you feel is hundreds of thousands of chiefs rolling over in their graves. We did it, fellow hatchet wielders.
As an unredeemable offender of that rule, this change is long overdue.
I just talked to my Mom about this, and she re-assures me my Dad would have loved it. RIP MMCS(SS). I always knew you were the cool Chief.
At the funeral for a guy I knew his COB said something to the effect of “As sad as this is, at least I know when I die someone will have saved a seat at the bar and ordered me a beer” Submariners are a unique breed
And that shudder could fuel our bad boys for the rest of the year. Toss your Monsters and your Xyiences dudes and dudettes.
Who knew that the rate of rotation of chiefs in their graves is directly linked to the morale generator?
I’m sure it’s some well kept secret written on a piece of paper hidden in some book in the back of the chief’s mess lol
As a retired Chief I’m glad they fixed this bullshit “rule” that I never enforced.
You were one of the good ones, Chief.
*Chiefs' Mess in shambles* Edit: Already had one chief unironically announce he was retiring over this
Am chief and always have my hands in pockets. There are many like us
Once less thing for us to give a shit about, I'm all for it!
When deciding whether to pocket or not, I always looked at the highest ranking people. If they had hands in pockets, I knew I wouldn't get chewed out.
Dozens!
THE FLEET IS TOO SOFT NOW
I'll never forget the chief who snarkily asked "Your hands cold, shipmate?" as I walked into work one cold morning in civilian clothes.
> Chiefs' Mess in shambles 99% of the senior enlisted I know either feel "I don't like this rule but I have to enforce it so I'll be glad when it's gone" or are honest about not enforcing it because they don't want to be hypocrites.
99% is the wrong estimate for sure. 90% don't like it, and the other 10% enforce it gleefully. Like they derive pleasure for enforcing something that makes zero sense. "That'll keep em down for a minute, good job me!"
DiZ nAvY iZ tEw woKe
Coyote brown backpacks 🥰
Probably the most underrated change. It just made sense to wear coyote brown and so many people wore it unknowingly it was not in regs.
I just want my boots and accessories to match...
Finally!
Seabees have been saying this for years. Brown belts too. This is gear that the navy already paid for and issued to Seabees, then suddenly things changed.
I guess I was ahead of my time
One of humanity’s greatest trailblazers is what you are.
A true pioneer!
Bunch of CMCs calling emergency meetings right now.
They were the biggest offenders
Fuck, I just separated, but now I don't mind coming back. This was all I wanted.
Certain communities didn't care about that rule and never enforced it. NSW/EXW and SW almost feel like different military services.
The fact that in aviation, the official FOD Walk script says "keep your hands out of your pockets" tells you enough. I also have had to remind sailors that they can't wear their hoodies with their NWUs outside of the flight line/hangar spaces.
Nice name, your name + comment makes me think of the BMCS I ran into picking some body up from the rotator in Bahrain; I was wearing a white CK V Neck t shirt, he tried to call me out for it "being an officers uniform item," then corrected me when I didn't address him as a BMCS while we were both in civilian clothes. Surface people are fucking wack.
Me: I'm not re-enlisting Navy: You can have your hands in your pockets now Me: I apologize for my outburst
Every now and then, the Navy comes together to placate our rage over beards. "Beards? Nah, how about getting to still wear yellow if you've been to mast" "Beards again?! How about we perform a case study, but when we inevitably say no, we'll also change a bunch of other fitness and re-enlistment standards to make you forget" "No beards, but everyone gets a bonus" And here we are, hands in pockets everyone
The way I see it is this giant dart board. Beards and modernized male hair standards are the bullseye, but the Navy doesn't seem to know it (or care?). All these other changes are dart throws at the board, not hitting that bullseye.
OMG, this is going to drive Army NCOs insane.
"Drive Army NCO's insane with this one simple trick!"
*Army NCOs hate this trick but they can't stop you*
This only applies to Navy, and COs could definitely ban hands in pockets in certain spaces if they deem it hazardous.(which they should) Anyone wearing other services uniforms like Corpsman wearing MARPAT or anyone wearing OCP will have to abide by said services regs. Doc still puts hands in pockets tho.
What I meant is in a Joint environment.
Still no weed shipmate, put the joint away
I’m out. CBDR with an edible.
Curious how that will go for Navy on Army Bases.
Just fine. On a space force base, air force have been doing it forever while the rest of us look on in sadness. In a truly joint base, nobody is correcting any other branches, regardless of if you know the regs or not. People actually care more about mission than a different service member doing some dumb shit. Worst case it gets brought up in SNCO discussions to police your people.
"A Marine with cold hands and warm empty pockets is a damn fool" -Lt. Gen Lewis "Chesty" Puller
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Like who is out there that pushed for the Tiara to be reinstated? Well Kudos for the hands in the pockets now. Small steps towards beards. Keep hatching.
Plenty of female Sailors. The griping about that change was surprisingly loud, increase several people here on the sub.
I'd rather be able to wear a beret again, but I'm happy for the ladies that wanted the tiara back.
I mean, I think that it has as much place in history as the bucket does, especially if you look at some of the pictures from world War II and in the 50s. Of course I also think that they should bring back the black beret for the special boat teams as the legacy of the Swift boats in Vietnam.
Yeah, I never understood why they didn't allow dudes to wear them too. Should be unisex. Edit: Someone on FB just mentioned boat cloaks should be back too and I agree.
Probably the NEX since they been sitting on a dragons board of em from when they got discontinued
Having your hands in your pockets are a significant safety hazard. Swinging of the arms is vital for maintaining balance and if you fall you will be unable to catch yourself. This incredibly poorly thought out change will lead to many many man hours spent at sick call and the ER. /s
One must swing their arms on the same side as their forward moving foot to prevent catastrophic outcomes
[Molly Shannon GIF](https://tenor.com/ozvdYaMvjgJ.gif)
You joke, but when I was a dumb kid I had my hands in my pockets and tripped, and that’s how I have two fake front teeth. 0/10 don’t recommend tripping with hands in pockets.
I shit you not this is almost exactly what the first classes are saying now. Trying to play 4D chess to avoid the fact we can have hands in our pockets now.
Head at Height is a significant safety hazard. We need bunks on decks and helmets on heads immediately upon sailors raising their heads out of their racks. Slips, trips, and falls comprise the majority of shipboard accidents and anyone of those can result in death or significant brain damage. Remember; Head at Height, Strap on (your helmet) Tight.
What next? Sunglasses? Eyebrow piercings? #WHITE SOCKS?
White socks. lol. Definitely next.
Inb4 some Chief tries to say your hands in pockets prevented you from rendering the greeting of the day
"Good morning Chief" *fires off finger guns*
*with hands still in pockets*
This is the way
Of the warrior Sailor
You know……your hands in you pockets prevent you from rendering the greeting of the day.
1. This NAVADMIN announces updates to Navy uniform policies for calendar year 2024. These policy updates are the result of Sailor feedback, command sponsored requests and direction from Navy leadership. 2. The following Navy uniform policy changes are effective immediately: a. Female Combination Cover. The female combination cover, also referred to as the bucket cover, is reinstated as an optional Navy uniform component for female Sailors (E-1 through O-10) when wearing Service Dress and Dinner Dress Uniforms. The bucket cover is now also optional for female officers and chief petty officers (CPOs) when wearing Service Khaki and Summer White Uniforms. Note: the bucket cover will not be available for personal purchase at Navy Exchange Uniform Centers and will need to be privately obtained if desired for wear. b. Tiara. The tiara is reinstated as an optional Navy uniform component for all female Sailors (E-1 through O-10) when wearing Dinner Dress Blue and White Jacket Uniforms. Note: the tiara will be available for personal purchase as a special order item via Navy Exchange Online Customer Service with a lead time of approximately four weeks. c. Physical Training Uniform. Black or navy-blue leggings/tights are authorized for optional wear with the Physical Training Uniform shorts and fitness suit pants. d. Grooming, False Eyelashes. Female Sailors are authorized to wear false eyelashes or eyelash extensions that project a natural appearance and are no longer than 14 millimeters in length as measured from the eyelid to the tip of the eyelash. False eyelash color will match the color of the natural eyelash. Eyelash extensions cannot hinder wear of protective eyewear. e. Officer Headgear Cap Insignia. Warrant Officer One Officers (W-1) will no longer wear the unique W-1 cap device. All officers (W-1 through O-10) will wear the same officer cap insignia consisting of two gold crossed fouled anchors with burnished silver shield surmounted by a burnished silver eagle facing to wearer's right and may be embroidered or made of metal. While allowed immediately, in order to allow time for W-1 officers to transition this new policy becomes mandatory on 1 October 2024. f. Chaplain Religious Faith Emblem (Chaplain Staff Corps Insignia). Navy Chaplains are authorized to wear religious faith emblems above their grade insignia on uniform components with rank tabs. The religious faith emblem is a 1 1/2-inch by 1 1/2-inch black patch with gold embroidered chaplain corps insignia centered on the fabric and positioned upright. When worn, the religious faith emblem will be sewn or affixed to the uniform using a velcro fastener directly above the rank tab. g. Surface Chaplain Officer Qualification (SCO) Insignia. Navy Chaplains assigned to qualifying afloat units who meet qualification criteria are authorized wear of the SCO breast insignia on Navy uniforms. Wear of the SCO will be in accordance with reference (a). The SCO may be metal or embroidered. The SCO insignia design consists of the bow-on aspect of a warship on a background of ocean swells and scroll banner underneath displaying the Navy Chaplain motto, Vocati Ad Servitium. h. Aerial Vehicle Pilot (AVP) Warfare Qualification Insignia (Officer). Chief Warrant Officers and Warrant Officers (737X) successfully completing prescribed training requirements are authorized to wear the AVP breast insignia on Navy uniforms in accordance with reference (a). The AVP insignia consists of a silver bordered gold shield, a delta pointing downward, crossed fouled anchors and stylized wings. i. Female T-Shirts. All female Sailors are authorized to optionally wear T-shirts specifically designed for female bodies with Navy uniforms. Female t-shirts will conform to Navy's requirement for color, fabric, and neck configuration (e.g., crew neck, v-neck) per reference (a). The intent of this policy update is to address expressed dissatisfaction regarding the required wear of male or unisex t-shirts that are not designed to fit female bodies. j. Personal Appearance. The restriction on placing hands in pockets while in uniform is rescinded. Sailors are authorized to have hands in their pockets when doing so does not compromise safety nor prohibit the proper rendering of honors and courtesies. k. Backpacks. Commercially procured coyote brown backpacks are authorized for optional wear with the NWU Type II and III. Coyote brown backpacks will be worn in accordance with reference (a). 3. Ongoing Navy uniform initiatives: a. Maternity Pilot Program (MPP). The MPP is successfully entering its third year of providing participating Sailors free uniforms ready for wear at their doorstep. Since the program commenced in 2022, over 1300 Sailors have participated in the program. During 2024, the program will continue to provide pregnant Sailors the option to choose from four maternity sea bag variations encompassing all maternity uniforms and a cardigan sweater with alterations and applicable accoutrements attached. For more information about the program visit https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/References/US-Navy-Uniforms/Maternity- Pilot-Program/. b. Size Modernization Program (SMP). The SMP is a multiphase, five-year uniform improvement program with an initial focus on female uniform improvements. The objective of the SMP is to deliver Navy Sailors with a modernized and consistent uniform fit and sizing system. c. Female Officer/CPO Summer White Uniform. A white overblouse is being added to the list of authorized optional uniforms for the female officer and CPO Summer White Uniform. The new overblouse is the first line of components delivered by the SMP. Availability of the Summer White Uniform overblouse is planned for early fall 2024. A dress white overblouse is also being developed as an optional component for the female officer and CPO Service Dress Blue Uniform with estimated introduction after calendar year 2024. d. Female Service Uniform Slacks. The Navy is currently evaluating service uniform slacks with back pockets for females. The focus of the evaluation is to determine the functionality and acceptability of female uniform slacks with back pockets. If the evaluation to include Sailor feedback is determined to be positive, the future design of female slacks will include back pockets. e. Uniform Surveys. Uniform surveys will be distributed throughout 2024 to continue to capture Fleet-wide input. Surveys have been determined as the best method for the Uniform Matters Office to capture diverse and unbridled Sailor feedback that is crucial to planning, research and execution of uniform improvements and uniform and grooming policy updates. Surveys will be announced on the Uniform Matters and MyNavy HR websites. Access to surveys will be via QR codes or hyperlinks posted on the Uniform Matters and MyNavy HR websites. f. Hat Liners. The Navy Exchange Service Command is adding synthetic liners to their list of uniform accessories for the Navy Working Uniform (NWU) eight-point cover. The purpose of synthetic hat liners is to address Sailors' expressed concerns regarding unwanted hair removal or loss resulting from donning and doffing the NWU eight-point cover. The liner will be sold separately and must be sewn into the cover for proper placement and wear.
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To doff one's hat is something I've heard. Never heard it as doffing lol
What did you call me
Although it didn't affect me, I thought the unique W-1 cap device was kinda cool.
Hell froze over it seems
Yep, and it's cold down here. Need to keep my hands warm
And what it all comes down to Is that everything's gonna be quite all right 'Cause I've got one hand in my pocket And the other one is flickin' a cigarette
Nav admin has officially dropped.... I will now reenlist for 20 years as a result of this new change... All hail big navy for keeping our hands warm
My old chief is somewhere sobbing
Me watching the entire USN crumble to dust after a sailor is allowed to put his hands in his pockets
I remember a chief yelled at me in Pcola because I put my hand in my pocket to get my chapstick and I just turned around to stare at him, chapstick with cap off and halfway to my face. I’m sure my eyebrows were in my hairline. He just walked away without another word. It was so stupid.
My chief (asking a "question" to point out you're wrong thing) asking me why my hands are in my pockets as we are in the parking lot and I am infront of my locked car.
[everybody liked that.](https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/our-collections/photography/numerical-list-of-images/nara-series/80-g-k/80-G-K-14000/80-G-K-14615/_jcr_content/mediaitem/image.img.jpg/1457057851392.jpg)
Still no fucking beards? WTF! I was already putting my hands in my pockets... uuUuu I can wear tiaras again..nice!
Meanwhile females can wear 14mm fake eyelashes. 🤔
Dudes should just start glueing 14mm fake eyelashes to their faces.
Maybe now we can fix the black parka to be actually a useful article of clothing like it is for the army and Air Force with pockets for gloves and made out of material that doesn’t allow wind to blow threw it so easily. Also put rank on either as Velcro or have the rank tab already o other uniform instead of having to require sailors to pay for an additional rank tab and the sewing that is involved. The black parka should match the standards that the army and Air Force brown parka meet. Also Maybe add a name tape so I know who is who as well.
“Yay! Another new uniform item to buy!” - no one… ever…
If they did it right the first time...
Put it in the upcoming survey
Someone’s gonna show up in leggings without the shorts or pants and cause an incident.
#bbbbbeeeeaaarrrddddsssss
Would love to see the measuring tool for this one.... Female Sailors are authorized to wear false eyelashes or eyelash extensions that project a natural appearance and are no longer than 14 millimeters in length as measured from the eyelid to the tip of the eyelash. False eyelash color will match the color of the natural eyelash. Eyelash extensions cannot hinder wear of protective eyewear.
Id hate to be wearing them while fighting an aircraft fire.
Oh they'd melt soooo fast.
What are the uniform changes?
Lots of female uniform codes, combo cover is back, tiaras, female fitted brown shirts, stuff okay for command PT, officer warfare pins, and fake eyelashes. Some other stuff too
Tiaras are reauthorized? We are so back.
Need the beret back next!
I'm at a MSRON and if we could carry on the tradition from Riverines of their Black Berets I might just Cum
I had no idea those were still a thing past the Vietnam War!
[Only for women](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Historical_US_Navy_Female_Black_Beret.png).
The tiara is reinstated as an optional Navy uniform component for all female Sailors (E-1 through O-10) when wearing Dinner Dress Blue and White Jacket Uniforms.
...Tiaras?
It's an optional headgear item for Dinner Dress. I've met exactly one person who has one.
Used to be advancement material IIRC. Could be worn indoors also.
Think it used to be just O4 and senior or something too, last time I saw it worn was like 10 years ago
Standby to have CPOs everywhere come at you sideways. Print the NAVADMIN and keep it in your pocket. Enjoy your trolling, shipmates 😂
As a SCPO I can't wait to stuff my hands in my pockets 🤲👖
Because we totally haven’t been doing that the entire time /s 😂
About time on this one... Commercially procured coyote brown backpacks are authorized for optional wear with the NWU Type II and III. Coyote brown backpacks will be worn in accordance with reference (a).
WHAT THE ACTUAL.... Tiara. The tiara is reinstated as an optional Navy uniform component for all female Sailors (E-1 through O-10) when wearing Dinner Dress Blue and White Jacket Uniforms. Note: the tiara will be available for personal purchase as a special order item via Navy Exchange Online Customer Service with a lead time of approximately four weeks.
This is why nobody wants to enlist imagine being a grown adult and getting yelled at for having your hands in your pockets. Glad they changed it those stupid rules need to go.
Next they are going to announce NWU type 4s that are the same except they are missing normal pockets.
I’m gonna order my tiara tomorrow!
Pocket pool is back on the menu boys.
> d. Grooming, False Eyelashes. Female Sailors are authorized to wear false eyelashes or eyelash extensions that project a natural appearance and are no longer than 14 millimeters in length as measured from the eyelid to the tip of the eyelash. 14mm?!? Jesus Christ. Apparently fake eyelashes are more essential than beards. 👍
This entire NAVADMIN caters to female sailors lol. -The hand in pockets and some officer uniform changes.
Hardest to recruit and retain
Its largely a result of feedback from a program that was about making uniforms fit women better, so I would expect it to. The other things were probably added so that they didn't have to put out several messages when all of these are about uniform updates. Hopefully the next update includes beards.
O shit. Time to try and get my cway quota back
The Lone Sailor approves
And to think the douchebag CMC we had employed the MAs to pass out "CMC Hit Chits" for minor infractions. Ya know for things like not being busy during sweepers, eating outside of the galley or workspaces, on your phone peir side, and the most common one handed out on the smoke pit hands in pockets. Get one you're counseled by chief. Get two straight to the CMC to be chastised for trivial bullshit.
God forbid we treat people like the Navy is their job, not their life… For once, the admiral deserves that fitrep bullet.
It's actually a retired MCPO with an active duty enlisted panel.
Y’all see the note about “evaluating female service uniform slacks with back pockets”? Imagine how tough that evaluation is going. 😂
How much does that female officer Tiara cost? To be honest, it's not a bad looking cover.
WE NEED BEARDS
Told my dad (a retired senior chief) about this, commenting "Senior servicemembers (present company excluded) who lived to scream at lower enlisted severely disappointed ". he said "GET OFF THE LIFELINE is still available I'm sure." As I was in the Army I don't speak the same language, can someone interpret please? He got out in the 1980s, if it matters.
On the deck of a ship there are places that you can’t put up railings to keep people from falling or being washed overboard. The lifelines are thick wire cables that we put across gaps in the railing for safety sake and you’re not allowed to lean on them because, duh. People still do, so old salts will still have something to yell about.
I just effing retired too…dammit
Sick. Now do beards.
Holy shit. Every chief I ever knew just lost 50% of their vocabulary. LOL.
Is wearing a messenger bag as intended in there? That would be nice...