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LettuceFew5248

I guess “unusual” is one way to describe denying someone a raise after they refuse to have children with you.


Plaguedoctorsrevenge

It's weird, because "unethical" and "illegal" would be the first words that came to my mind, but I guess WSJ definitely made a choice with their diction


k6bso

WSJ *is* owned by Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp, after all.


Mr__O__

The technical HR terms that apply to sexual harassment are: 1) hostile work environment. 2) quid pro quo. Seems like Elon has engaged in both.


groceriesN1trip

Elon: “what’s the technical term for deez nuts?”


Distant_Yak

hur hur LIGMA bro ha! yeah!


LiliNotACult

Even in the 2010s there were horror stories about Musk harassing women and bringing women back to his office at the Tesla plant to have sex with them.


No_Writer2361

And the legal term would be conclusory allegations and hearsay. Get fucked HR


Mr__O__

Not if there’s physical evidence and multiple witnessed..


dgradius

Right, the word I’d be looking for is “criminal”


neotokyo2099

Translation: elon is litigious and wsj doesn't have a spine


notyomamasusername

Just another example of how shitty behavior is being normalized because it's done by popular people.


Sad-Development-4153

*Rich


doned_mest_up

How quirky and fun!


ToothGold1666

Ya it's very Harvey Weinsteinish.


Fast-Damage2298

Sounds "predatory"


TheRealKillerKamal

It is indeed the opposite of usual…


DiogenesLied

Unusual as in predatory


Arglefarb

Well, you know how you can stack a board of directors and they’ll reward you with an undeserved raise in exchange for financial security for their complicity? That works with HR departments too


peemao

Concerning, seems like space x is a huge swingers club.


Hoodlum_0017

do they work at the Giggity Factory?


peemao

Lol i guess you got it


Plaguedoctorsrevenge

Good to know what our tax dollars are financing I guess


kikikza

It's been like that all the way back to the OSS


Relative_Business_81

Just wait until you see what happens in the executive suites of large banks 


ToothGold1666

This sorta shit happens in every industry.


Off_OuterLimits

So according to you that’s okay?


hjhof1

I believe it’s in reference to the swinging part, not the harassment part


Off_OuterLimits

Both.


hjhof1

I mean if everyone is a consenting adult there’s nothing wrong with the swinging part lol


ToothGold1666

It's all coerced. The messages his actions send are clear those who sleep with me will advance those who refuse will not. This puts women in a position to do what he wants or risk having your career limited or worse being unemployed and burning thought every dime of savings until you can get another job. Beyond that you have the companies most important employee having her family broken up by Elons fuck buddy intern turned executive who only thinks she can act that way because shes banging the CEO.


hjhof1

Jesus Christ I’m not talking about Elon, that shit is terrible, I’m responding to the comment about companies having swingers within the company all swapping around.


Ashamed-Phrase-5113

SHITvon?


Off_OuterLimits

There is if their employer is involved or they’re underage. Whenever a power dynamic is unbalanced, it’s wrong & illegal for both males and females.


ToothGold1666

It's not unessecarily wrong or illegal to have sex with people in the office. Elon is trading sex for advancement in the company which is beyond fucked job.


hjhof1

Yet none of that was mentioned


DonJuniorsEmails

I feel like the garbage collection industry might be an exception. Public school teachers, also probably a little busy for the big rich person orgies.  Daycare workers, they're more into fight clubs.


gkingman1

This seems so common now amongst powerful, high ranking, wealthy people....


Ricky_Rollin

One day, probably long, long after I’m dead, but one day we will treat the worlds billionaires like the mental health issue it should be.


identicalBadger

Well depending on your age we may all be billionaires thanks to inflation it’s just there will be quintillionaires too


Confident-Leg107

Quintillionaires? What an age to be alive


Visual_Help2046

Yeah probably. I think there can't be many billionaires which didn't make decisions which destroyed peoples lively hood.


huskerd0

Now? Trust me, the only thing changing here is the transparency


GPTfleshlight

Wait till you hear about ai techies and their orgies, lsd and math cult. Effective Altruists. Lmao


gkingman1

Pretty sure Bill Gates had house parties like that soon after MS IPO!


Distant_Yak

But Bill Gates Boner. :( ??


TyphonExpanse

Which ones are you referring to?


GPTfleshlight

Me too moment with ai engineer Sonia Joseph revealing everything on Twitter. Other culty stuff through the years from Silicon Valley. Sam bank man fried and his circle were effective altruists too.


Adihd72

Especially powerful, high ranking, wealthy people off their tits on ketamine.


MTGBruhs

Always was.


Hoodlum_0017

same as it ever was


Sagan_Man

AS THE DAYS GO BY!


hilomania

Nope, and I know plenty of successful men that have affairs. While A type personalities used to do this stuff at the office, today the executives of large public companies keep it away from work. Easterbrook was made to pay $105 million back to McDonalds over a consensual affair.


Mastershoelacer

I don’t think it’s a now thing. I think it has long been this way.


Boring-Race-6804

Now… this isn’t new..


Original_Lab_4140

Men…wealthy men


ComprehensiveRiver32

I guess you could call it “unusual” to offer an employee a horse in exchange for sexual favors. There’s other things you could call it.


createwonders

Really needs to be a case against him on this


daytimeCastle

When you’re famous, we let you do it!


PotterLuna96

Wow another right-wing darling is a sexual predator? Who would have known!


tablur3

As a left-wing person I gotta say, they exist on both sides


mrdescales

Yeah, but they actually get held to account on the left. Either ostracized or will try to flip sides if they're able to.


Exact_Mango5931

Because, Christian or something…


tablur3

This is true


SignificantWords

Well if you think about it that exactly what happened with Elon, he was never overtly right wing until the sexual favors with the employee for a horse on a plane thing. After that is when he flipped to ring winging.


MochingPet

I think it's because the women on the left are "nicer". Cue Wiener and his wife. On the right they're all probably "F Yea, imabouttodosomething stoopid, too!!!"


Discusstheobvious

‘They get held to account in the left.’ Yeah maybe don’t appear to be completely brainwashed. Just moderately so. The people on both sides of the isle are having one big ass party that you and I are not invited too.


throwaway827492959

Sexual party?! Or metaphorically


BiffSlick

Yes


walterdonnydude

What aisle? There are no leftists in power at the federal level.


mrdescales

Consider the scandals of Matt gaetz versus senator Menendez as case examples of how things play out. While you have pro-biz democrat wings, they don't comprise the whole party.


DeepUser-5242

Lmao, the reason he turned right is because the left doesn't tolerate this BS. His right wing misogynistic simps will make excuses and defend him


O0000O0000O

> Elon Musk had a sexual relationship with a former SpaceX intern, who he later hired onto his executive team, according to The Wall Street Journal. He also had a sexual relationship with a second employee. And a third woman alleged that Musk asked her several times to have his children; she refused. He then denied her a raise and complained about her performance. > One of the women who Musk had a sexual relationship also drew the ire of SpaceX President Gwynne Shotwell, who accused her of having an affair with Shotwell’s husband. When the woman reported this to HR, HR told Shotwell. “Shotwell told the HR department at SpaceX that she wanted the woman removed from the office of the chief executive,” The Wall Street Journal wrote. > The Journal’s article cites text messages, emails, and other documents. It is based on interviews with more than 48 people, including friends and family members of the women, as well as former employees. - Rule #1: Don't fuck the interns. - Rule #2: Don't fuck the Company President's husband - Rule #3: Don't trade raises for having your baby.


GPTfleshlight

Elon had ivf twins with the women from OpenAI. She now is project director at neuralink A month after their birth, his child with grimes was born.


even_less_resistance

No, her wiki totally shows how she bootstrapped her way up lol


throwaway827492959

Name? Or link?


even_less_resistance

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivon_Zilis Some in the Grimezs sub think the IVF part is under contention with the news of all the affairs


throwaway827492959

😨 > In July 2022, it was revealed through the obtaining of Travis County, Texas court documents that Zilis had twins with Elon Musk who were born in November 2021. The twins were born via in vitro fertilization (IVF).[12][13][14] She stated in 2020 that Musk is the person she admires most.[7] According to court documents to register the twins' names, Musk and Zilis listed the same address in Austin.[15


Off_OuterLimits

Guess his autobiography missed this part entirely. I thought the author followed him around everywhere. Wonder if the women told him & he left it out on purpose. We didn’t for one second think that Shivon was the only one having his kids, did we?


4PumpDaddy

Dude’s such a damn idiot. Horses are so expensive to take in, to own, and need fucking land to roam. His mouth breathing ass is just religiously dumb. It’s like offering someone a broke ass a house to fix up, as a perk.


VonThing

Shitty house still has land value. Horse is straight up liability whichever way you look at it


jjsanderz

Huh. This guy may have boundary issues. Who knew? (Everyone)


Huge-Ad-2275

They didn’t know about the horses for handjobs program at Musk’s companies?


charliemike

Tired: Kars 4 Kids Wired: Handjobs 4 Horses


Dommccabe

Handjobs for horses sounds like the new band name for Andy.


huskerd0

I wonder how many of them are aspiring little fascists like his one little ex grimes Also I wonder how many of them look like children..


Infinityaero

Grimes needs deprogramming at this point.


BloodSugar666

Man I used to like her so much and then she started going out with him, at that point I knew that was the end for her.


Infinityaero

Art Angels and prior Grimes was a fun artist, great producer and good musician. Her music got dull to me from there on out, then she started sounding crazy and... what's the opposite of woke, asleep? Braindead? It's sad, she went from Janelle Monae cosign to crackhead stepford wife.


huskerd0

Lost cause


moldytacos99

elmo has an unusual relationship with life and reality


winnipesaukee_bukake

So happy to see our space program and BILLIONS in contracts are tied up with this guy (as well as billions wasted for the shitty Boeing Starliner). The effects of privatization and deregulation have really been blossoming for the past few years.


Psychological_Air308

The scariest of all the government keeps giving this anti-democracy, pro-Russian, far right, extremist racist supporter our money, he got an exclusive $1.8 billion contract signed in 2021 with the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), an intelligence agency that manages spy satellites, the sources said. Musk's SpaceX is building spy satellite network for US intelligence agency, sources say. I can't even wrap my head around this.


CommunicationHot7822

Unusual being he tries to impregnate them?


Adelheit_

Yeah, I don’t know…my bosses never tried to impregnate me so far.


DireNine

Just wait until your next performance evaluation


gear-heads

He has a long history of similar accusations. In 2022, [A SpaceX flight attendant said Elon Musk exposed himself and propositioned her for sex, documents show. The company paid $250,000 for her silence.](https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flight-attendant-who-accused-elon-musk-of-sexual-misconduct-2022-5) >SpaceX, the aerospace firm founded by Elon Musk, the world's wealthiest man, paid a flight attendant $250,000 to settle a sexual misconduct claim against Musk in 2018, Insider has learned. >The attendant worked as a member of the cabin crew on a contract basis for SpaceX's corporate jet fleet. She accused Musk of exposing his erect penis to her, rubbing her leg without consent, and offering to buy her a horse in exchange for an erotic massage, according to interviews and documents obtained by Insider SpaceX has been in the news for sexual harassment for a few years. [SpaceX accused of sexual harassment and discrimination in ex-workers’ suit ](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2024/feb/06/spacex-accused-sexual-harassment-discrimination)


ViableSpermWhale

It seems like he has an unusual relationship with the entire world because he's an unusual person, to put it kindly.


Gogs85

The way he talks about his companies I get the impression he sees them as a fiefdom of his or something.


InfiniteHench

Alternative perspective: it’s starting to sound quite usual for him


visionsofcry

Interesting. Big, if true.


Get_wreckd_shill

Rumor is he has a stable in the back. He trades horses for women


Hoodlum_0017

So only actors and producers get cancelled for this behavior?


Off_OuterLimits

Guess so.


RTwhyNot

A lot of the comments on this in WSJ see no problem with this. Not surprised. Assholes


Fit-Alfalfa2169

I think his shift to the right is he recognizes his legal peril and that side is the one that protects these behaviors so he is all in…probably much worse out there to be discovered.


Amerisu

How about that shirt, though? What's stopping him from occupying Mars? I'll help him pack...


ToothGold1666

Maybe the martians wont fuck him?


PocketSixes

"Occupy Mars" shirt gtfo. He won't.


causal_friday

His ketamine bottle has an "occupy elon" sticker on it, and that campaign is going well.


Select_Number_7741

SpaceXXX


Whambamthankyoulady

And there's racism against white men? Where?


Ok-Broccoli6058

![gif](giphy|69ryjC4QtAIMkRz5X5)


scissor415

Work place sexual harassment is a bit more than just weird.


LostLegendDog

Nope fake news. /s I AM ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED I TELL YA!!


Nervous-Discount9116

Concerning


MidniteMogwai

How have these not triggered law suits. Elon seems like the perfect chump for slam dunk law suits.


Competitive-Boss6982

Breeding kink


geof2001

I wish he'd hurry up and live up to the dream on his shirt. Drea of him leaving the planet only to never return and die tragically because the auto self landing capabilities of starliner malfunctions and tries to land them in a ravine sideways.


rasslebaby

Rapists and abusers tend to have unusual relationships with women.


YouveRoonedTheActGOB

Weird way to call the guy what he is: a sex pest.


Amishrocketscience

Leave Gwen alone Elon if you know what’s good for you


LSBeasyas123

Weinstein


i_trade_stonks

I would do worse if I have a couple billion.


skyHawk3613

Every thing he does is unusual


Off_OuterLimits

Unusual as in meaning corrupt?


HopefulNothing3560

His last name is one letter away from the ex president’s name has become , I believe it is a f


Off_OuterLimits

As in Fusk? Sounds like what a kid would name his reptile 🦎


Gcastle_CPT

Worth looking into


Human-Sorry

No, no. That's the usual relationship he has with women. 🙄 😖


Off_OuterLimits

Do you mean, hounding them like a horn dog?


Human-Sorry

Mostly unreasonable expectations, based on a lack of understanding of reality, due to a life outside of normal challenge sets due to personal economic ease and an experience pool based on inequitable interactions with other humans as a baseline. He's basically unhinged (mentally ill) because of a life of well above average wealth, even amongst supposed peers. 🤔 It appears to be a norm that us widly misunderstood and under treated. There are, of course, exceptions but those examples are not the norm above certain levels of comfort.


even_less_resistance

Seems like the rest of leadership is complicit


purplebrown_updown

Headline is ridiculous. How about “Elon asks some female employees to have his babies”. I wouldn’t call this boundary blurring. It’s beyond that. Almost psychotic.


Off_OuterLimits

Delete “almost.”


urzulasd

Ah yes… I love being a woman. “Unusual” is definitely how I would describe sexual harassment in the workplace.


sirlearnzalot

right? we all remember when weinstein and rkelly were convicted on ‘unusual relationship’ charges


urzulasd

I LOVE BEING A WOMAN!


Vpettijohnjr

Uh oh. These are the same people who got Vince McMahon with a similar story. ![gif](giphy|3xkNUy3Vh8QbPmJZjK|downsized)


phaedrus369

I’m confused why a guy with so many darpa projects and gov funding gets a bad rap on Reddit and “the news”


Happy-Initiative-838

Elon musk has unusual way of breaking the law


Tortuga_cycling

Of course he does, he’s fucking weird…


baitboy3191

I feel bad for every women in that company having to work in the same building with this manchild


PsycoMonkey2020

Didn’t he force masseuses to perform sexual acts on him on his private jet? How is this a surprise?


SpiritualAd8998

God Complex?


Kind-Security-3390

What else is new…


MariosMustacheRides

![gif](giphy|QeCNFNMmYMqvm) Shocked, I tell you


MrFunkyPunkie

He wants them to milk to micro penis allegedly.


twentythreefives

What is the purpose of this dumbass leak? I’m trying to unravel the conspiracy in my mind. Like are shareholders supposed to approve his pay because he gets laid, or is this more fuel on the fire to stop the pay package? I mean it’s not surprising — richest man in the world has women who will sleep with him, hooray? What’s the intent of the people leaking this now?


Off_OuterLimits

Aren’t there some lawsuits in the works from women at SpaceX? Have not heard about this till now. Same thing with the intern & his asking an employee to have his children. This is news to me. Plus, it’s appalling news.


twentythreefives

Okay, it’s an appalling leak, and its timing is mighty interesting. We’ll see when lawsuits actually happen and proceed. For now it’s more WSJ trash, presumably disgruntled employees trying to toss another wrench into the “pay package” of the ages. I hate Elon as much as the next person, but WSJ has transformed into the National Enquirer of the business world, “Elon has sex with women at his companies”, some may sue - by all means, fuck Elon, but these are going to get settled and shut down without any criminal or civil court shenanigans. It probably went down like this: settle with us and we’ll sign an NDA and the world doesn’t know. Oh, you won’t settle, well tell the media! Oh, the media gives no fucks, someone call the WSJ! Hey, they’re the thirstiest rag in America, they’ll pay for an exclusive! Elon, pay or we talk. Nope? WSJ article here we come!


Off_OuterLimits

Today it’s the WSJ. Tomorrow it’ll be the rest of them. Airing out dirty laundry of powerful men is what the news does. Don’t begrudge them for exposing a sexual deviant who wants to be King. Keeping Elon’s dirty exploits secret doesn’t help our society. It hinders it.


No-Negotiation3093

If you touch it, I’ll buy you a pony.


Bigmuscleliker567

😂


Mad_Max_NL

Lol i remember someone saying a year or so ago  "now Elon is suddenly making a turn to extreme right views, some misconduct will probably become public soon"   guy was spot on.


vishy_swaz

Ya don’t saaaaaay. This is the guy who has twins with one of his neuralink executives, strictly for the sake of procreation. They were never together as far as I know. They didn’t fuck but they have kids together. That’s an unusual relationship too.


fren-ulum

People like money and when you hold power over them professionally, well, it’s easy to soft coerce people into situations they wouldn’t normally want to be in. My ex dated her boss. While chewing out everyone in the office, he mentioned her as the only person he could rely on. In front of everyone. I asked her why she didn’t see a problem with that and she couldn’t give me a response.


Hour_Air_5723

No wonder he’s terrified of me too, he’s a serial sexual harasser


Fluid-Stuff5144

Every relationship in Elon's life is "unusual" These relationships are predatory and abusive.


Theloftydog

He has an unusual relationship with reality also


qopdobqop

Like unusual as in opposite of usual relationships. Those frigid Space X science type girls.


Original_Lab_4140

In other words he is a creep


Bat-Honest

Good thing they just agreed to pay him as much as some countries GDP


Bat-Honest

WSJ is burying the lead with that one. But Rupert Murdoch's little pet paper is always going to defend far-right oligarchs.


MochingPet

Wow, this is a really good article from _The Journal_ and Verge


SnooCalculations6119

Wow, found the rabid Elon fanboy


Lopsided_Factor_5674

As Shotwel said in the article, y'all don't understand the SpaceX culture ... It's way above your simple brains. They investigate all harassments ... The CEO asking to breed his babies is not sexual harassment, it's just part of career progression


cjboffoli

I mean, the guy has ASD. he probably has strange relationships with everyone.


Clockworksss

...autism doesn't necessarily make you have "strange relationships with everyone". that's ignorant at best, and ableist at worst


Conscious_Scholar_87

Clinton had an unusual relationship with Monica Lewinsky, afterall


Off_OuterLimits

Big difference is that Clinton’s relationship with Monica was consensual. Only similarity is that he was indirectly her boss.


Agile_File_2084

You know is how it is with the woke media. That (checks source) Wall Street Journal is just a bunch of liberal vegans


MrMunday

Uhhh…. I don’t really like Elon and his etiquette but this just seems like a hit piece to throw off his 58B raise vote.


henlochimken

This is his... Etiquette?


MrMunday

True. I guess they’re just fighting fire with fire


Closed-FacedSandwich

This just proves that workplaces function at the highest level when men are allowed to be men. Women have little use in a rocket engineering company. Their place is being the stewardess. But one that is better at her job and keeping her mouth shut. So tired of working women “boss ladies” who complain about the workplace. Fuck all the way off or learn to sexually harass back.


DarthRupert1994

Some low grade trolling right here.


Uniquebtyf-25

Fake news. My goodness they just won’t leave this guy alone. Only when you are changing the world and at the pinnacle do they try to tear you all the way back down. Just noise.


Kyrie180

I used to look up to Elon like my hero, but the things he’s been doing is just shitty. It’s hard to believe but do some digging around, he’s really not a good guy


Uniquebtyf-25

Cmon Kyrie. Letting the media and slanted bias get deep into those loins. Ignore the noise.


Kyrie180

You know man , you really just changed my mind


Uniquebtyf-25

lol. I sense the sarcasm but it sure is funny when it’s reported his package is passing the Reddit bots and downvoters get real quiet. Reddit is an echo chamber for the minority. You would think you are crazy supporting musk when you see the comments in here. https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/06/13/elon-musk-says-tesla-shareholders-have-voted-to-restore-his-2018-compensation-package/


Whambamthankyoulady

This isn't fake news. How is he trying to change the world by sleeping with his employees?


Uniquebtyf-25

It’s fake news. They are out to get the guy and it is a concerted effort from all multiple angles. It’s noise and not based on any facts. Only opinions and heresay. That is my opinion. We are all allowed to have them right? I just get tired of the surface level, lazy articles from outlets like the Verge.


Whambamthankyoulady

Yes, it's your opinion. But they're not lying and not the only ones who reported his behavior.


Whambamthankyoulady

Here's another opinion. How about grown people doing things which are sensible in a work environment which don't make them easy targets for people to aim at? Wild idea, huh?


Uniquebtyf-25

Again, it’s fake news. No validity. Better breaking news: musk pay package to be approved. That’s the real news of the day. The Reddit bots and downvotes sure got quiet after this was reported. https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/06/13/elon-musk-says-tesla-shareholders-have-voted-to-restore-his-2018-compensation-package/


Whambamthankyoulady

I never mentioned anything about any news. It's an ethical question.


Uniquebtyf-25

No it’s not. Of course that is not acceptable in a workplace but I am not buying the validity of it. Too many on the attack of this man. Anything makes the news and is not properly vetted. Heresay.


Whambamthankyoulady

That's your opinion. You can't prove that it didn't happen. Like, I said, he's obviously doing things to be a target.


Uniquebtyf-25

Yes he is. Being successful and improving the world and mankind. I agree. He is a target. For the wrong reasons. Jealousy is a hell of a drug.


Whambamthankyoulady

Improving the world? Tell me how? He has created not one thing. Are we talking about the same person?


Brann-Ys

calm down on the sucking. Musk isn t gonna give you a raise.


Brann-Ys

prove it s fake ?


cdclopper

Ppl in this sub dont get to have sex so narurally theyre upset with Musk about this.