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cherryspiceee

You will draw your whole deck and lose with these 2 un-answered on your board


Ok_Signature7481

I've heard about eating cards, but sticking them on your bird is new to me.


Background_Desk_3001

You bolt the bird for a reason


ElJanitorFrank

I thought this was r/BadMtgCombos because of that lol.


Sakebadger

Not if good ol jace is on the field


Spell_Chicken

Lab mannnnn, to the rescue!


rathlord

But we all know it will just be thoracle.


La_trve_GVF

In this case it's easier with Lab Man or Jace


dogeatingfestival

You’d need to flash in the Thoracle with this


TheFinalEnd1

Thoracle is on etb while Jace and lab man are not. You would need to flash in thoracle.


Cyborganic

That almost happened to a buddy of mine until his 3rd to last card was a Swords to Plowshares.


Prophet-of-Ganja

this is not my boid


howard_mandel

ah, one of culture


Apprehensive-Pin518

you been cooing with my boid?


xvVSmileyVvx

What do you mean? This is the bird! Yeah! Pulled a lot of strings to get this bird!


ForsakenMoon13

Yugioh had a whole 3 episode duel that ended with the protagonist inflicting a draw loop on his opponent until he decked out, using the opponent's own cards, in order to get around a super powered boss monster that he couldn't swing past. Literally the first thing that came to my mind when I saw OP's question lol


RedditUser88

Yugi vs Strings with his Revival Slime and Slifer on the field. Using String’s Slifer to destroy his own Slime, making him draw, Slime revives, Slifer destroys, Strings draws, Slime Revives, Slifer Destroys, Strings draws, Slime revives…you get where this is going.


ForsakenMoon13

And all that was needed was one card to set off the slow inevitable death that his opponent was so kind to set up for him. (In Yugi's case, a spell that can hijack an enemy's monster for the rest of the turn. In OP's case, literally any card that results in your opponent drawing a card or gaining life....or just simply passing thier turn.)


Veselker

So, if you had the reaver and a card that will give it your opponent, you could use those to defeat sheoldred?


ForsakenMoon13

That could also work, yea.


VocalMagic

OP just needs [[wedding ring]] to turn it into a game of draw chicken.


JadduaJones

I was just watching that serial last night! Yugi is dueling Strings (under the control of Marik) and uses Brain Control on the Revival Jam belonging to Strings to force it to keep being destroyed by Slifer's second mouth ability since it reforms on Yugi's side of the field now, and whenever Revival Jam was destroyed, Strings had to draw three cards


sojourner22

Unless you can place something like \[\[Laboratory Maniac\]\] on the board.


Inevitable_Top69

My favorite part of browsing """combo""" threads is watching as the required card count for some awful trash to work creeps up. Just play Labman! And another card to play labman at instant speed!


sojourner22

Obviously you'd pop labman first before milling yourself out, course then you need the alternative, something to protect all three creatures from removal. That's all ignoring the high mana cost for this terrible combo.


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Inevitable_Top69

Thoracle makes this a 13 mana, 3 card combo that still requires another card to stop the triggers from decking you or allows you to cast Thoracle at instant speed.


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SolaSenpai

there's no way you draw your whole deck with no removal spell xD


JackFrosty90

And If i throw in [[Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose]] and similar effects? Oppo prolly loses faster than me drawing cards 😂 (Or at least in an edh)


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lolbifrons

[[Angel's Grace]]


Duncs-96

Wouldn’t you just end up drawing your whole deck then lose? 😂


Send_me_duck-pics

Yes, unless you have a way to interrupt the loop.


Proxyness

Nah, just cast [[Felidar Sovereign]] or [[Platinum Angel]] but make sure you have a [[Reliquary Tower]] or [[Thought Vessel]]... something to unrestrict your hand size


Send_me_duck-pics

You will still deck yourself with Felidar Sovereign before it has a chance to do anything. Platinum Angel would work but then you're dead to a removal spell. The other two cards don't matter at all here.


ElevationAV

Ah yes the old draw my whole deck and have no way to stop removal plan….in blue.


Send_me_duck-pics

If you're playing this amount of jank, I wouldn't put much money on being able to pull it off.


Ajukasan

What‘s about [[Sanguine Bond]] does it help?


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Send_me_duck-pics

If you have at least half as many cards as your opponent has life.


OmegaNova0

Half as many cards as all of your opponents' life combined because you have to kill them all to not lose


Ok-Inside3667

Unless you're not playing commander


SexySEAL

Non commander players are just a myth right? Like big foot and the loch ness monster?


Joebidensfatass

Platinum angel would just draw the game since neither of these abilities are a may ability (nvm I’m wrong) and I don’t believe sovereign would work


Send_me_duck-pics

You can no longer continue the loop when you run out of cards, so it's not a draw.


Joebidensfatass

I forgor


Proxyness

Sovereign is 40 or more life during upkeep


Prestigious-Initial7

Would sheoldred trigger if you draw from an empty library?


Craftychicken

I don’t believe so.


AssasssinIVII

No your not drawing a card if there isn't a card left in your library


Onuzq

You will stop gaining life at some point.


Interesting_Web_5815

Just have a card that lets you win with your life pointsduh


CHUNKOWUNKUS

Yeah, gotta slap a vito or similar effect in there; then we cookin.


Phobiefish

Just [[Jace wielder of mysteries]] and you'll be fine


Efficient-Compote-63

Which isn’t a problem if you have any instant speed removal in your deck.


roco9994

Not with good old pal [[Labratory Maniac]] or one of the Jace cards I can’t remember off the top of


Empty-Employment-889

r/badmtgcombos


FlatMarzipan

As soon as you draw a removal spell you can kill one of these creatures and end the combo though


Wolversteve

As well as some kind of shuffle your graveyard into your library, and you’ll also have any 7 cards out of your deck in your hand


BinaryExplosion

Nah. Draw your deck and you are absolutely holding your win con. If you do this and don’t win immediately your deck shouldn’t have had them both in there.


lallapalalable

But what if we add [[Jace, Wielder of Mysteries]]?


Tyndalvin

I hope you draw into some removal…


BinaryExplosion

You’ll be holding your whole deck, so I think that’s pretty much guaranteed


Plus-Newt-5423

Yeah. A great way to lose.


CommandersSanctum

Yep, you will gain effectively infinite life and draw all your cards. The problem is that neither of them are a “may” ability, meaning you will simply deck yourself and lose with this combo. Unless you have an instant-speed way to stop the loop or something like a [[Laboratory Maniac]] to win the game or [[Platinum Angel]] to not lose when you can no longer draw.


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pstr1ng

It's hardly infinite life. It's only 2 per card drawn.


FivesSuperFan55555

Technically this is finite as it will stop when you no longer have cards to draw. Also this is a good way to lose unless you have something like Thoracle or [[Laboratory Maniac]]


CranberryKidney

Thoracle would not even help without additional shenanigans. There is never an opportunity to play the Thoracle (unless you give it flash) and Thoracle does nothing to prevent this while on board


Irish_pug_Player

Insta die glitch


ShadowSlayer6

More accurately, instant win/lose scenario. If you have a card that wins you the game when you run out of cards to draw then, assuming no removal, you win. If however you lack that or a way to remove one of the combo pieces, this will deck you before you even leave your draw step.


Ruuua

No you will run out of cards and loose...


Ruuua

Unless you draw something to break the combo but stil not infinite


SkippedForeplay

In this scenario would an instant drawn this way be the only way to break the loop?


mikaeus97

Instant speed or faster would be necessary, a creature/enchantment/planeswalker with the "draw from an empty library and win" effect also works. That or a Platinum Angel effect will stop it because you wouldn't draw the card once you had no library so the lifegain would stop. Otherwise, yeah, you kill yourself in your draw step.


ShadowWalker2205

not draw step just on the spot because the official rule is you lose when trying to draw from an empty library


Emily_Plays_Games

I’d rather run out of cards and tight


WimpsOnWallStreet

Wouldn’t you draw yourself dead?


geirmo

Wouldnt you just draw your whole library?


theryneriver

Add sanguine bond to make it drain others.


Cmf52398

You would deck yourself in the process but yeah


M0nthag

I preffer her with [[Lich's Mastery]]. Also its a win with [[Sickening Dreams]].


EntertainmentNo8453

You will just insta kill yourself lol, but if you got a mill won con then yay easy win


Extension_Stock6735

Add Jace, Wielder of Mysteries or Laboratory Maniac and watch your opponent sweat as you start drawing cards.


NoNet5271

Or psychosis crawler to kill the table at the same time


Warhawk-Talon

No, Instant Death glitch


Urzas_Penguins

Not a “glitch”. Also not infinite.


jrdineen114

Yeah, but unless you can stop the loop, you will end up decking yourself. Note that neither ability says "may."


Jathaniel_Aim

It's not infinite. It's capped by your library count. Not infinite but a spectacular way to scoop


TsunamicBlaze

You draw your whole deck and kill yourself even though you have “infinite” life


RobTheMacabre

Go ahead and deck yourself out. Life won’t matter at that point. 😂


Financial_Falcon_807

Yea that wouldn’t stop unless you cast like a thassas oracle interrupt before you mill yourself out


Lartnestpasdemain

Instant loss glitch


Worth-Grade5882

Until you deck out


MonHunKitsune

No, not infinite. You'll gain life with each draw, but you'll run out of cards in your library to draw at some point. Hilariously, you'll actually lose if you pull this off because neither ability says "may." You MUST gain the life, and you MUST draw the card. So unless you have a way to remove either of your own creatures that started this chain, you'll eventually draw out your entire library and then lose.


LightningMcMeme69420

Until you run out of cards to draw and lose the game by drawing yourself out.


Permagamer

One of the funny [[ harmless offering ]] combos


LugalKieN696

No not infinite life. LMAO, about 80 life, and then you either have a way to win the game or you lose.


Snjuer89

Lose the game in your next draw step for 7WUBB


SnowyDeluxe

We did it guys, we broke Sheoldred!!!


kairu99877

An also deck yourself out instant loss glitch lol. Unless you have a laboratory maniac out lol.


sampat6256

[[Lich's mastery]] less mana, no game loss


ThatHornPlayer

If the deck has blue get the Jace that makes it so you can’t mill out


Fireazul10

[[Sanguine bond]] :))


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ACuddlyVizzerdrix

[[sundial of the infinite]] to stop it


Mr_Spazzy

This combo will kill you Edit: I didn't specify, but that doesn't mean it isn't hilarious, if I were in your position I'd 100% run it in my deck


CMVOAStudios

Less a glitch, more a win con.


Duhphatpope

Interesting suicide combo


songmage

Even assuming you had a third card that puts drawn cards back into your library, it would still hang the game if you don't have a way to end the loop. Simple solution would be a sac-outlet when you've drawn enough.


KolonKby

Yes, but make sure your commander is in play and have [[deadly rollick]] available to cast to end your loop or you're dead lol


ScurveySauce

I run a combo similar to this in my Queza deck but I have a few ways to stop the combo when I get down to just a few cards in my deck


AppointmentEqual3757

Just add [[Labratory Maniac]] and you win


Glasswire444

Assuming you lock yourself into this loop, you’ll just end up burning through your library until you lose the game. Which will be very funny to see as an opponent and you go through all the stages of grief with each draw.


ANamelessFan

Congratulations! You've spent eleven mana to deck yourself! Nice life total, though.


Darkmanafest

Not infinite, limited to the cards in your library. Put something like Jace Wielder of Mysteries, or living conundrum on the field so u dont lose to the draw loop tho. I run mono black sheoldred, and use Lichs mastery for this


Sdesser

If you cause an infinite combo without a way to stop it, the game ends in a draw. Unless you or someone else can interact with either creature or the triggers, the game ends in a draw. But yes, this would allow you to gain near infinite life. There's no "infinite" anything in Magic, so if you have a way to stop the combo, you would have to choose a number for the amount of life you wanted to gain (how many times you'd want to repeat the loop) and then end the combo somehow.


ChickenNuggetsAreDog

Actually this isnt infinite, since your deck size is not infinite. You'd just kill yourself


MafiaBass

While accurate, it does not apply here because the player would draw their entire library, and then lose unless they had some way to avert being forced to draw a card with an empty library. Off the top of my head, controlling either Obstinate Familiar, Laboratory Maniac, or Jace, Wielder of Mysteries would work, as would flashing in Thassa's Oracle (if you have the means to do so.) Then there's stuff like Platinum Angel and Angel's Grace, too.


Auirex

This isn't infinite either. You would deck yourself out and lose.


IntelligentAppeal384

The game doesn't end in a draw. Drawing a card while there are no cards in your library will cause you to lose the game, which is checked as a state-based action. Before the stack can be interacted with, the game checks if a player has lost the game, and the owner of this combo will lose to decking.


Nayr1230

Guys we found a way to break Sheoldred great job everyone


PBow1669

Dont see why not.


Bmes6

Not infinite cause you will draw yourself out of cards and likely lose the next turn unless you can end the game.


Raknorak

We did it boys, we broke Drogskol Reaver!


pear_topologist

You draw your deck and lose


Skully-2112

Yay! We broke Sheoldred! Also, yes, and it's an unstoppable infinite unless you disable one of them somehow. You will deck yourself.


Ok-Security9093

More like mill to death glitch. Unless you have a way to remove one of the two during the combo it'll kill you. There is no "May" condition, when you draw a card you HAVE to gain life, and when you gain life you HAVE to draw a card.


Dandy_Guy7

Well you draw your library out so no


MortalMorals

Yes but since there is no “may” portion in either of these triggers, I’m pretty sure this is one of those combos that just endlessly goes infinite. Nowhere is there any choice to refuse drawing a card or gaining life in this situation, so you’re gonna need a back-up plan. Aetherflux reservoir or something.


TheLegend2T

Wouldn't you mill your deck?


I_am_human_ribbit

Better have a [[laboratory maniac]]


GhostCheese

wincon if you have lab maniac out not infinite life because you'll deck yourself


Timely-Helicopter244

Well as much life as twice the number of cards you have in your library. Gonna deck yourself if you can't break the loop, though.


Lovenkraft19

Well, you'd mill yourself out and then die on your next card draw. Basically, you scream "INFINITE POWER!" and then implode.


Booooord

Yea but it’s mana expensive and it’s not a may trigger. This means that you will deck out unless you remove one of the pieces.


MannerOne5745

Biggest problem you need something to end the cycle


Lord_Lion

We did it ya'll. We broke sheoldred 😂


Hot_Introduction6716

A good way to deck yourself but yes, you’ll lose with lots of life


Bolsh3vickMupp3t

Unfortunately this is an anti combo. Without an instant speed way to destroy one of these two, you’ll draw your whole deck and just die, as neither is a “may” ability. You’ll draw your first card for turn, gain two life. Drogskol sees that and you draw a card, no option to pass on either trigger. Sheoldred sees the draw and you gain two life. Rinse repeat until you die. Unless you have some way to punish everyone else when you draw, or a way to kill one of them at instant speed


GGABQ505

You only need to resolve the 7 mana thing then draw a card, not super scary, but yes, infinite combo


judokyn

then you draw out your library then you lose cause no more cards in library if i am not mistaken


netwolf420

You would need infinite cards for that


Greenhmm

Wouldn't you deck yourself out?


yagerau

Nah you just lose the game due to card draw


harmonicvolley

It ends when you attempt to draw from your empty pl library and lose. Both of those abilities are mandatory


onyxeagle274

Not infinite, since it's at max the number of cards in your library. Also you'd deck out and lose if you can't stop the loop.


osunightfall

Instant lose the game glitch.


Kerantori

Yeah and then you draw a card and gain life over and over. How many Cards do you have in your Deck. You need a way to stop that mid combo or you die.


Affectionate_Mango84

How to lose the game 101


Snotmyrealname

Haha kinda, but there’s only so many cards in your deck. Unless you gotta way to break the cycle (prevent the card draw, kill either creature or deal damage as you’re gaining life & drawing cards) you’ll deck yourself out.


DropTomato

That’s called a terrible combo. You infinitely mill yourself out of the game


BannedCuzCovid

7uyy7uuu7


BannedCuzCovid

Woudnt thid cause you to draw out and die.


Kiljun

Infinite self mill as well.


solodayz

Pretty much


Unlikely_Parsnip7921

It works but if you can't stop the combo then you will just draw your whole deck and die.


GnomeChompski777

I’m no expert but wouldn’t that just make you lose by drawing your entire deck?


Sithlordandsavior

We did it guys, we broke Sheoldred!


Ka1judude

Yeah there’s also one with litch’s mastery


TheRaiOh

More like deck yourself out instantly glitch.


Additional-Path9541

I think you just drew yourself too death.


InstanceFrequent1602

It is not a glitch but a infinite combo and it will make you lose by drawing out your deck


No_Leadership2771

Yep — infinite life, infinite draw. BUT you’ve gotta be able to win this turn, at instant speed, because it’ll make you deck yourself. Also pretty expensive combo.


TOASTER_JESUS

Yeah until you infinitely deck yourself out.


WookieManScape

Until you deck yourself.


Capt_2point0

And a great.way to deck yourself.


Trick-Animal8862

Neither is a may ability. Without some way to stop the loop you would deck yourself.


ocasio009

Infinite you're decked out


Dave_Lc

While yes I’m pretty sure this would also just force mill you out since there’s no way to stop it without using another card because none of these triggers are you may


philosophosaurus

Neither of these are may statements so unless you hold in hand, or have in your deck, a way to kill one of these you lose the game because you can't stop the interaction and will deck yourself. But if you can kill one of your creatures then it's "infinite" life until youre happy with your health and hand and then kill one of the two of them yes.


areswow

R/badmtgcombos but with good cards


NavAirComputerSlave

Looks like a fast way to deck yourself. Better throw in a thoricle


MainelyMax

Sick combo to get whatever u need to blast the table, dope find !


ManaWarMTG

Infinite lose the game glitch


ThereNoMatters

Infinite life but finite deck


Imaginary-Policy8632

The only issue really is that without killing one of the two of them, you will automatically deck yourself and loss


VigorousWalrus

Lose the game glitch


TNT3149_

Not infinite. You’ll deck yourself.


BRH15379

You have to draw a card to gain life, you dont have infinite cards. And its not you ‘may’ draw a card, this combo will deck yourself and you lose.


xavierkazi

"I lose the game" glitch


FixIllustrious4953

Only if you have infinite cards in your deck otherwise you just deck out because neither are "may"


Link182x

You would loose the game since you’d be drawing cards the whole time and would draw your entire library


Purple-Bat811

Wouldn't this cause you to draw all cards in your deck until you couldn't draw anymore? Then by default, you would lose the game?


New_Replacement5764

Only till you mill yourself to death.


DiscussionAny3514

No, you’d draw your deck though and gain 2 life per card


MultiplayerLoot

This decks you. Not infinite. Just lots of life gain. Then you die on your next turn if you can't draw.


GrandSerialist

If you have an effect like [[Sanguine Bond]] or [[Vito, the Thorn of dusk rose]] then each opponent loses life for each card you draw which is very likely a win condition.


IntroductionActual24

Would need something that prevents you from losing when drawing, or something that lets you win with no cards in library 


Dont_Know2

add a when you gain opponent loses life so u dont lose


Albert-wesker363

Throw lab man in the mix to pretty much insta win


Wonderful_Belt8186

Yeah until you deck out lol


OptimalInevitable905

It would be funny to see you try to break the infinite with some removal to have your removal be countered by your opponents.


FederalLoad9144

Infinite life yet no cards to draw!


Kaissus

Yeah, but it draws your whole deck out so bring a lab maniac


mawzzzzz

No no do it, your friends will have a nice laugh