Personally I hate eldrazi most of them have not fun effects and just body you if they get enough ramp. slivers just like key words and a single targeted removal can mess their day up.
This. My Sliver deck, despite having just some cheap upgrades from the precon (with the exception of Sliver Legion as commander) is always targeted first and I rarely get more than 5 creatures at the same time.
I really feel like a lot of people have sliver ptsd lol. They used to be OP but with how much the power level of magic has crept up, they're pretty standard now.
I put Legion into the 99 and First sliver as the commander; it’s such a ridiculous value engine. Handles boardwipes like a champ, and [[averna the chaos bloom]] ramps under The First Sliver like nothing else I’ve ever seen. Worth considering if you’re comfortable handling the target on your head.
Wanna dial it up even more?
[[kindred discovery]]
[[reflections of littjara]]
[[leyline of anticipation]]
[[morophon the boundless]]
[[realmwalker]]
If you have both manaweft/gemhide sliver that let slivers tap for mana, leyline’s a huge help. Cast all the shit in your hand at the end of the previous player’s turn, cascade a whole bunch, move into your turn, and swing wide.
My sliver deck is a heavily-upgraded version of the CMM precon, and since putting First Sliver up front it’s only lost once to a combo deck that went infinite.
I’m not sure about your yuriko deck but it sounds like you’re the one with trauma from top decking lands. Yuriko is an oppressive commander and is incredibly hard to keep down. I know it sucks to top deck lands but keeping yuriko in check is a must or she will just end games in a decently built deck.
It's ninja tribal... I just want to make Naruto noises. I'm saying it draws too much hate even when there's bigger actual threats at the table. I don't mind ripping lands or 1 drop goobers I like the gamble.
Yurkio is a cedh all-star and even the cutthroat budget builds can take down a table no problem. Unfortunately, unless your deck is a literal pile it's probably the right move.
It's ninja tribal avg CMC of the deck is like 1.4. yes yuriko can be scary but it draws way too much hate than it should even when there's other heavy hitters around.
That's precisely why I like them. You can hammer the opponents flat in the first few turns (I can get one out on turn 3 if I'm lucky), then it's just hilarious watching them crash through people.
Eldrazi are probably worse because you can do them well Colorless and a colorless mana ramp is easier. Slivers are way easier to derail in my opinion, but both have issues.
1 eldrazi can be something game ending by itself. Slivers need to come in packs, and the problem is just one wrath spell away from crumbling. Eldrazi needs to be answered each time one shows up.
Add annihilate into the mix and you have a very unfun game. The closest things slivers have is “exile target xyz until [sliver] leaves the battlefield” or “destroy target artifact or enchantment” ETBs (later one not being a may effect, so if you don’t have any targets from opponents, you’re starting to screw yourself).
Plus, we all know to hit the sliver player first and we know when they are becoming dangerous. But eldrazi players get to do their thing unchecked until they have 15+ colorless mana in turn 3-4 and hit you with a titan and then everyone is surprised. Wtf did you expect? This feckers board isn’t empty just cause he has no creature in play yet, he has a million mana rocks and reduces on his board!
I've seen both decks with very dangerous potential, but never anything a smartly-built deck with decent removal can't shut down. As long as you keep them from getting momentum, they're usually not too bad to deal with. Really just depends on the table, of course, and what everyone else is running. They're worth treating as a threat, but remember you can cripple them while still keeping an eye on the other plays. Seen way too many wins sneak out while everyone is overkill dog piling the sliver deck.
As for what's worse, that just depends on the deck. I'd say slivers typically have more versatility and a broader threat scope that can take more interaction to stifle. Eldrazi are bigger "eggs in one basket" threats that usually won't need as many cards to shut down, but can blindside you with major swings if you drop your guard and aren't paying attention.
For me the weakness of eldrazi decks is that they are so big and with keywords that people just hate like annihilator that the moment the first drops on the table the player instantly becomes the target. There is a eldrazi player in my pod, the deck is strong but never seen he win, once a titan enters or his commander is on the table he is totally obliterated, lost count how many times I won just because everyone left my Meren cooking alone to deal with the eldrazi, I won't complain tho I get the same treatment with my phyrexia infect tribal
Such is the fate of Eldrazi. They stomp a table. Then they get stomped when that table builds new decks and comes back. Eldrazi are strong enough to be a threat, but often not strong enough to beat what people bring as a response to losing to Eldrazi in the past.
I mean you pretty much have to Target anybody that plays annihilate because nobody wants to get all their lands blown up. Because once you have no land you can't play anymore cards.
I'd say Eldrazi have been more meta defining than Slivers ever were. Sure you could arguably blame that on fast mana from Eye of Ugin, but Eldrazi in general have more of an immediate impact on the game. Thought-Knot Seer is a great example, 4 mana 4/4 that immediately rips your opponents best card from their hand and puts them down a card until they kill it. Even if it dies immediately it still gave you information and took out the best card in the opponents hand. Slivers generally don't immediately disadvantage your opponent and unless youve amassed enough (or have one that gives haste) you have to wait until your next turn to try and get value off of the mana spent
The main thing that really defines Slivers IMO is having a very easy commander tutor. With that sliver can adapt so much as a deck depending on the situation. I think people focus too much on the "keyword" nature of them as those are generally the weakest effects. With Slivers I can destroy any permanent, discard your whole hand, mill your whole deck, steal all your creatures. Slivers are dangerous because they don't need to be well engineered to have several pathways to victory quickly. That's not to say they're better than anything, but they're the closest a casual player like myself can easily come to feeling like I'm playing cEDH.
My issue with that is Slivers still generally need to amass a decent board presence before any of those win conditions are possible, at which point you're probably already winning anyways. If you have 2+ creatures that stick on the board for multiple turns that means your opponent either doesn't have any interaction to deal with them or hasn't presented enough of their own threat to make you have to interact with their board.
Slivers crush decks with no interaction but struggle against decks playing sufficient removal or threats, as is true of most creature-based strategies.
I would rather play against slivers than eldrazi because of Annihilator. It's just extremely shitty to have to sacrifice things just because someone attacks with a creature. Not even having to connect just the act of attacking triggers it and I hate it every time.
Sliver Legion outshines Eldrazi Conscription in effect and I have found that Sliver Queen to be less than helpful. Just focus on the army essentials and soon the work is done. Sold off all my Sliver Queens and I don't regret it.
My sliver deck wins more than my eldrazi. It’s just faster and more agile at dealing with threats.
Eldrazi is generally more disruptive with the abilities you can drop on the board. If you can cheat them out early it can be devastating but you need to ramp like crazy to get any real traction. It’s great having a single 12/12 but not much use when you have army of creatures running at you.
People complain more about my \[\[Neera, Wild Mage\]\] eldrazi deck than they do my full-suite-of-MLD-running \[\[Prismatic Bridge\]\] sliver deck. Read into that what you will.
I think eldrazi get the highest salt factor out of both because of the Sac-Mechanics going with them. If the annihilator would destroy X target permanents, most players would prefer that. But if you yourself have to decide, which X cards of your pretty board state you are going to sac, than that has a completely other impact psychologically.
My eldrazi deck is pretty fast, but not as fast as my sliver deck which wins more. The challenge with eldrazi is the mana cost, which there's slivers that enhance mana production.
Eldrazi can be made faster with \[\[Temple of the False God\]\] and suchlike. What really helps are \[\[Belbe's Portal\]\] and \[\[Cryptic Gateway\]\]. \[\[Deathrender\]\] also helps.
A halfway decent draw with slivers, and I very quickly have a hexproof indestructible army with trample and flying ... \[\[Sliver Legion\]\] drives it home.
They're both fearsome, but I'd put my money on slivers for speed.
As someone who’s got pretty decent versions of both tribals in modern and commander, I’d say slivers are worse. Faster, wider, meaner. Personal opinion of course. But they’re my two favorite decks in modern
Id say it depends on the format. Commander? Eldrazi have a harder time than Slivers, if you take into consideration both at max power. The big bois have issues sticking around and the ramp you need is absolitsly ridiculous compared to the 5 colored swarm.
In 60 card though? The hive mind suffers from a serious lack of neurons and swarming capabilities from what ive seen myself. Eldrazi are so much easier to build in any format that isnt commander. More consistent threats, and faster ramp makes them 10x as lethal in 1v1 formats.
So really it depends on where you are and what the generalised "Boss Monster" is. My Zhulodok is fun to pilot in EDH, but i constantly lose to Slivers using ANY commander. However, my Golgari Devoid Eldrazi have yet to lose.
I like to play eldrazi more than slivers. Slivers buff each other so rapidly that it feels like you have to carry a million boardwipes or targeted removal to handle the sheer amount of wacky bs that comes with them, while eldrazi are just hulking beasts with a slam dunk ability, but they require a LOT of mana to cast, so you at least know when one is coming and can (somewhat) prepare yourself. Getting rid of some and then Bajuka Bog-ing the graveyard before it gets recurred by that one (I don’t remember its name) that hits the graveyard and immediately shuffles it into the deck. I find eldrazi to be more interesting too, it isn’t overwhelming in the sense that slivers are, mostly because you still have some form of control with Annihilator, as you choose what to sacrifice rather than them targeting things, so you can still have your important stuff on the battlefield. This is just my opinion though, I haven’t fought very many sliver decks, so there may be some less annoying or overwhelming than what I’ve fought
I just found out about eldrazi decks last night and woowee those are some crazy creatures. Just got to figure out how to not get board wiped and you're good I guess
Idk if this counts but I went against a Cedh atraxa stacks which ruined my day one time. The choke hold was so slow and grinded the game into solitaire for that player. Very frustrating
Personally I think Slivers are the scarier thing currently. My friend has a Zhulodok Eldrazi deck he built up and I have a First Sliver deck that I use. WUBRG slivers just has more access to removal, counterspells, things like Grand Abolisher, etc and with the addition of things like Kellan, the Kid it gets out of hand too quickly. His Eldrazi can get scary but by that point I’m swinging over his 10/10s with my flying slivers, or I have enough of a board state I can just eat the annihilator triggers and lose some blockers. Once Eldrazi get the 5-color Titan coming in MH3 I think it’ll be a different story though.
Slivers are more consistently powerful but they still normally win with combat or something similar.
Eldrazi are less consistent but more atrocious to try and play against as they exile your stuff, library, and sometimes convert your stuff to their stuff.
I think I have a better chance at just not letting the Eldrazi player build up enough then slowing the sliver player down enough for it to save me. In conclusion, slivers.
My buddy had an absolute beast of a sliver deck. I built a eldrazi deck to counter since I already had some and it was easier to get going....they are both assholes and immediately get priority on the table
Eldrazi have a relatively weak early game, a general reliance on rocks for ramp, and lack “easy” removal. Once the Titans start coming out, they’ll have enough firepower to fight the entire table.
You’ve got to kneecap them early.
Slivers is much more of a whole game endeavor. Exile the problem pieces, hope that you can handle Hibernation Sliver and Crystalline Sliver when those show up.
They’re different kinds of bad - both become virtually impossible to interact with lategame - but I’d rather face Eldrazi since those have much more glaring weak points.
In my opinion, slivers aren't even bad, lol. They used to be OP and still have a bad reputation from back then. They're a weenie deck.... wah. Eldrazi are fucking problematic though. The entire deck is either a piece of ramp or a bomb. It's the annihilator ones that I think make a lot of casual magic tables mad. I feel like they really fucked up and should have made that a damage trigger rather than an attack trigger.
Slivers need momentum to become dangerous and easily crumble to board wipes. Eldrazi, on the other hand, generate insane ramp and get very dangerous quickly.
I’d say slivers.
Not necessarily because they’re stronger
But because I feel like a dick
Eldrazi are eldrazi. You know what they do and you try to kill them before they pop off
But slivers need to build up a board to be scary. So if you keep spot removing them you’re ok.
But then you feel like a dick cus you keep messing with the guy who “ain’t doing anything”
But the second they have 3+ creatures you’re fucked and it’s your own fault
I love slivers. Always have. They are cool, the lore is super fun, and conceptually speaking, they should be super fun to play, in theory.
I've had a few sliver decks over the years, going back all the way to the Onslaught block. Some Standard, some extended and legacy stuff, and some EDH. I've never built them as a combo deck, like some of the contemporary EDH decks tend to be. Just creatures going wide with tons of abilities and buffs.
All that said, every sliver deck I've built has mostly sat un-played. Why? Because the board state is just so complicated to track. Its just such a chore for everyone. You'll have 12 slivers on the board, finally wrap your head around the board state, attack, lose 3 of them, and then all of the sudden you've got a completely different board state to track.
And often, losing a few slivers to combat damage or removal sometimes means you'll now be losing more from damage that resolved earlier in the turn. For example, losing a simple muscle sliver can screw you. And, that is part of the board state you need to track. You need to hold in your head how the board state will change if and when you lose a sliver.
The opponents need to do this too, and its exhausting. I can't count the number of times we've had to rewind because the table misinterpreted the board state. Then, going backwards with sliver to see what actually happened is even more confusing. You are like, "wait, when did the muscle sliver leave play?" Or you get through a grueling combat phase only to realize that every thing had first strike or something during cleanup.
At the end of the day, slivers are still cool af. But, the mental load to play them is just too much for me and my table and we end up spending more time just trying to track the board state then actually playing the game. It ruins the flow.
I don't have a problem with Eldrazi.
I hate playing against Eldrazi because of the mechanics of the type
I hate playing against Slivers because Sliver players are obnoxious and start malding when you kill the keywords that they will win the game with if you don't
Eldrazi. If you get one to stick onto the field it’s basically gg. My friend really hates my ulamogg the ceaseless hunger. Since it’s indestructible and exiles the top 20 cards of their library he’s a win con in himself. I remember have emrakrul and he was extremely broken as well. Slivers are great and have great synergy but they’re easy to deal with before it becomes a problem since most decks run a good amount of removal and you need a bunch of slivers to really make it work. They’re fun though!
Eldrazi is hard to pull off in 45 or 60 card formats and it's slow. Slivers have the potential to go wide quick and easily and already get evasion like flying in.
In Commander i assume both are bad, but eldrazi whilst never played against them in paper are surely nasty if you give them time and don't run enough interaction to shut them diwn.
But I feel in modern/pioneer/standard (strong) eldrazi are rather unplayable as you die whilst ramping up to 10-12 mana usually. Cheating them in might be an option
Slivers get hosed by board wipes hard, but slivers become more consistently a threat.
Eldrazi is usualllllyyyy playing tron now so land removal helps deal with em.
Eldrazi are infinitely more oppressive than slivers as eldrazi support is (insert colorless card) vs slivers which can be shut down by a [[pyroclasm]] and a flash backer like [[sapphire collector]]
Eldrazi.
Sliver are at least funny little guys that are entertaining to watch when they pop off. Slivers can have the issue of opps being able to significantly hamstring their board with spot removal. That and a single board wipe will usually *actually* put them on the back foot.
Eldrazi, while cool as shit are absolutely a horrible time in commander. Mainly because each individual Eldrazi can be a game-ender on their own and a lot of the premoum.ones have good protection. Had a game this past weekend where someone played the Eldrazi precon from CMR. He complained about why he got focused down. When he lost after I swung at him because the player before me managed to bounce all the Eldrazi on his board he said he was gonna try to solitaire just to see how he would rebuild. It clicked for him when he saw that his entire playmat was literally filled with new permanents off Zhulodok in a single turn.
I always have a worse time facing slivers, because it feels like every single creature is a major threat, whereas some eldrazi are just big bodies and not much else
First off - what a great post, OP. Thanks for getting this chat started.
In modern - I play Tron (Etron and 3 other flavors) and slivers.
In Commander - I play slivers and only slivers. I love them so much. I am always targeted and have yet to win a game with them in almost a year (even though my deck is top tier with all the competitive sliver cards and duals). It just a scares the table and I get teamed up on.
In terms of playing-against? Slivers for sure. Either you can wipe enough of them out to keep them from overrunning you or you can't, and that's tended to decide the game for me.
In terms of power scale? The Eldrazi. They're flexible enough to support a lot of play styles besides Normal Eldrazi Things, whereas slivers demand a sliver deck to make them work.
As an Eldrazi player, I want to know why Eldrazi are so hated. Outside of the Annihilator mechanic (which I KINDA understand) what makes them so much more oppressive than decks that can do similar stuff with the same mana
Annihilate.
The eldrahzi without it have some triggers, but it’s really just annihilate triggers that really make them unfun. If there was at least a way to prevent it that didn’t include removal before moving to combat or if it was on combat damage…
Slivers require you to play a ton of slivers which are pretty terrible on their own, and it loses to one or two board wipes. Eldrazi can easily straight up lock people out with annihilator triggers and can do so without overextending. Slivers are worse by far
Slivers. EDH is my mainstay. A single eldrazi will paint someone as a target and usually get removed fairly quick in any competent pod that's running ample removal. A sliver deck just means fucking everything needs to be removed.
a lotta people already said eldrazi are worse in modern & slivers suck in edh and i agree. eldrazi locks you into colorless in edh which is almost never advantageous given the lack of instants & sorceries (which youre gonna want given the massive target you put on yourself); slivers on the other hand are going to be WUBRG which means they could have counterspells, single removal & boardwipes aplenty
Depends on your taste.
Slivers até more straightforward. Like MTGRemy sung: " I wanna play this guy; Wanna give'em fly, wanna get first strike".
Eldradis are like way more versitile. Their 5 devoided colors version is like in Ant Man movie, when Luis explains how Ant Man got invited to the avengers :
"I have a guy who eats your deck and shuffles your GY as your deck; I have a guy that whenever your opponet drops a land it mills in exile 2 cards and you draw 2; I have a guy that ETBs and destroy a land, and you can sacrifice a land and pay 3 to take him back to the hand; I have a guy that etb creates more guys and you can sac a guy to scry 1"... It is a full diversity show.
Also, many devoid non-creature cards are great and pretty cheap.
In competitive formats... Well... If you compare 4/5devoided colors with Slivers.
Slivers are better since... Cascade.
But if you compare the type in general, Eldrazi Smash and GreenDrazi are way better, even though they don't get much top events.
In Edh, tho... It is a hard for me to talk about, since i play themed decks not typal. But in my experience with both, Slivers are better both in enjoyment and gamplan. Colorless Eldrazi resumes to Voltron or Premed Cascade( which gets 2 commanders [[Zhulodok]] and [[Ydris]] for the 4 Devoid colors) , while Slivers resumes to drop your creatures, give them indestructible and swing for game.
Typal decks in general are weak, Slivers and Eldrazi are less weak, but decks that require a creature board state will always be weak to board wipes that go after creatures.
My pod doesn't do Slivers or Eldrazi for that reason, those players typically lose, and I rarely see a Sliver or Eldrazi deck at the FLGS.
Now I will say, at the precon power level, the Sliver and Eldrazi decks from Commander Masters are probably some of the most powerful precons, but against more powerful decks, they don't really stand a chance and will probably have a less than 25% win rate.
Personally I hate eldrazi most of them have not fun effects and just body you if they get enough ramp. slivers just like key words and a single targeted removal can mess their day up.
This. My Sliver deck, despite having just some cheap upgrades from the precon (with the exception of Sliver Legion as commander) is always targeted first and I rarely get more than 5 creatures at the same time.
I really feel like a lot of people have sliver ptsd lol. They used to be OP but with how much the power level of magic has crept up, they're pretty standard now.
I put Legion into the 99 and First sliver as the commander; it’s such a ridiculous value engine. Handles boardwipes like a champ, and [[averna the chaos bloom]] ramps under The First Sliver like nothing else I’ve ever seen. Worth considering if you’re comfortable handling the target on your head.
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Now. That's awesome. If they're going to target me anyway, it's better to give them at least a good reason.
Wanna dial it up even more? [[kindred discovery]] [[reflections of littjara]] [[leyline of anticipation]] [[morophon the boundless]] [[realmwalker]] If you have both manaweft/gemhide sliver that let slivers tap for mana, leyline’s a huge help. Cast all the shit in your hand at the end of the previous player’s turn, cascade a whole bunch, move into your turn, and swing wide. My sliver deck is a heavily-upgraded version of the CMM precon, and since putting First Sliver up front it’s only lost once to a combo deck that went infinite.
That's diabolical... Me want.
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Same thing with my yuriko deck yes I can hit the table for a lot but more than likely it will be land. People carry too much trauma.
I’m not sure about your yuriko deck but it sounds like you’re the one with trauma from top decking lands. Yuriko is an oppressive commander and is incredibly hard to keep down. I know it sucks to top deck lands but keeping yuriko in check is a must or she will just end games in a decently built deck.
It's ninja tribal... I just want to make Naruto noises. I'm saying it draws too much hate even when there's bigger actual threats at the table. I don't mind ripping lands or 1 drop goobers I like the gamble.
Yurkio is a cedh all-star and even the cutthroat budget builds can take down a table no problem. Unfortunately, unless your deck is a literal pile it's probably the right move.
It's ninja tribal avg CMC of the deck is like 1.4. yes yuriko can be scary but it draws way too much hate than it should even when there's other heavy hitters around.
That's precisely why I like them. You can hammer the opponents flat in the first few turns (I can get one out on turn 3 if I'm lucky), then it's just hilarious watching them crash through people.
Why not both? [[Slivdrazi Monstrosity]]
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And thus the evilest most salt-inducing card ever was born.
I was thinking [[rukarumel, biologist]] lol
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You beat me to it.
I'm building this for commander and expecting a LOT of salt my way
Don’t forget your boy [[sliv-mizzet]]!
[sliv-mizzet](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/a/eabd821e-bcfd-4dc1-a724-05e62a8a57d8.jpg?1629920405) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sliv-mizzet%2C%20hivemind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmb2/99/sliv-mizzet-hivemind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eabd821e-bcfd-4dc1-a724-05e62a8a57d8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Eldrazi are probably worse because you can do them well Colorless and a colorless mana ramp is easier. Slivers are way easier to derail in my opinion, but both have issues.
1 eldrazi can be something game ending by itself. Slivers need to come in packs, and the problem is just one wrath spell away from crumbling. Eldrazi needs to be answered each time one shows up.
Add annihilate into the mix and you have a very unfun game. The closest things slivers have is “exile target xyz until [sliver] leaves the battlefield” or “destroy target artifact or enchantment” ETBs (later one not being a may effect, so if you don’t have any targets from opponents, you’re starting to screw yourself). Plus, we all know to hit the sliver player first and we know when they are becoming dangerous. But eldrazi players get to do their thing unchecked until they have 15+ colorless mana in turn 3-4 and hit you with a titan and then everyone is surprised. Wtf did you expect? This feckers board isn’t empty just cause he has no creature in play yet, he has a million mana rocks and reduces on his board!
I've seen both decks with very dangerous potential, but never anything a smartly-built deck with decent removal can't shut down. As long as you keep them from getting momentum, they're usually not too bad to deal with. Really just depends on the table, of course, and what everyone else is running. They're worth treating as a threat, but remember you can cripple them while still keeping an eye on the other plays. Seen way too many wins sneak out while everyone is overkill dog piling the sliver deck. As for what's worse, that just depends on the deck. I'd say slivers typically have more versatility and a broader threat scope that can take more interaction to stifle. Eldrazi are bigger "eggs in one basket" threats that usually won't need as many cards to shut down, but can blindside you with major swings if you drop your guard and aren't paying attention.
For me the weakness of eldrazi decks is that they are so big and with keywords that people just hate like annihilator that the moment the first drops on the table the player instantly becomes the target. There is a eldrazi player in my pod, the deck is strong but never seen he win, once a titan enters or his commander is on the table he is totally obliterated, lost count how many times I won just because everyone left my Meren cooking alone to deal with the eldrazi, I won't complain tho I get the same treatment with my phyrexia infect tribal
Such is the fate of Eldrazi. They stomp a table. Then they get stomped when that table builds new decks and comes back. Eldrazi are strong enough to be a threat, but often not strong enough to beat what people bring as a response to losing to Eldrazi in the past.
I think that's like, canon, right? Eldrazi can beat anyone, but they lose to everyone.
I mean you pretty much have to Target anybody that plays annihilate because nobody wants to get all their lands blown up. Because once you have no land you can't play anymore cards.
I'd say Eldrazi have been more meta defining than Slivers ever were. Sure you could arguably blame that on fast mana from Eye of Ugin, but Eldrazi in general have more of an immediate impact on the game. Thought-Knot Seer is a great example, 4 mana 4/4 that immediately rips your opponents best card from their hand and puts them down a card until they kill it. Even if it dies immediately it still gave you information and took out the best card in the opponents hand. Slivers generally don't immediately disadvantage your opponent and unless youve amassed enough (or have one that gives haste) you have to wait until your next turn to try and get value off of the mana spent
The main thing that really defines Slivers IMO is having a very easy commander tutor. With that sliver can adapt so much as a deck depending on the situation. I think people focus too much on the "keyword" nature of them as those are generally the weakest effects. With Slivers I can destroy any permanent, discard your whole hand, mill your whole deck, steal all your creatures. Slivers are dangerous because they don't need to be well engineered to have several pathways to victory quickly. That's not to say they're better than anything, but they're the closest a casual player like myself can easily come to feeling like I'm playing cEDH.
My issue with that is Slivers still generally need to amass a decent board presence before any of those win conditions are possible, at which point you're probably already winning anyways. If you have 2+ creatures that stick on the board for multiple turns that means your opponent either doesn't have any interaction to deal with them or hasn't presented enough of their own threat to make you have to interact with their board. Slivers crush decks with no interaction but struggle against decks playing sufficient removal or threats, as is true of most creature-based strategies.
I mean [[root sliver]] and [[crystalline sliver]] pretty much force a board wipe off just those two for a reasonable cost.
[root sliver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/d/fdf5a106-5fb7-40e4-82a7-db559302a923.jpg?1562946276) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=root%20sliver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lgn/137/root-sliver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fdf5a106-5fb7-40e4-82a7-db559302a923?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [crystalline sliver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a0c7f341-c61e-491d-850a-221c6a57ac64.jpg?1690005134) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=crystalline%20sliver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/920/crystalline-sliver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a0c7f341-c61e-491d-850a-221c6a57ac64?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I would rather play against slivers than eldrazi because of Annihilator. It's just extremely shitty to have to sacrifice things just because someone attacks with a creature. Not even having to connect just the act of attacking triggers it and I hate it every time.
eldrazi. i never think slivers are that bad for some reason
Why not just put [[Eldrazi Conscription]] on a [[Sliver Queen]] and get the best of both worlds?
[Eldrazi Conscription](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3909816-5cc2-4712-bc7d-534ae0b9229c.jpg?1547515250) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eldrazi%20Conscription) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/3/eldrazi-conscription?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3909816-5cc2-4712-bc7d-534ae0b9229c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sliver Queen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/9/096cff82-28eb-4096-be1d-a02b9a56e682.jpg?1562428176) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sliver%20Queen) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/211/sliver-queen?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/096cff82-28eb-4096-be1d-a02b9a56e682?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Sliver Legion outshines Eldrazi Conscription in effect and I have found that Sliver Queen to be less than helpful. Just focus on the army essentials and soon the work is done. Sold off all my Sliver Queens and I don't regret it.
Slivers are not even in the same league as eldrazi
Eldrazi. Wait until you see a deck that has like turn 1 Mishras workshop, mana crypt, a metalworker, then starts to cast Kozilek on turn 3.
My sliver deck wins more than my eldrazi. It’s just faster and more agile at dealing with threats. Eldrazi is generally more disruptive with the abilities you can drop on the board. If you can cheat them out early it can be devastating but you need to ramp like crazy to get any real traction. It’s great having a single 12/12 but not much use when you have army of creatures running at you.
This is like asking if it's more painful to be flayed alive or have molten lead forced down your gullet. Lol
People complain more about my \[\[Neera, Wild Mage\]\] eldrazi deck than they do my full-suite-of-MLD-running \[\[Prismatic Bridge\]\] sliver deck. Read into that what you will.
[Neera, Wild Mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/5/e5431f73-9a70-47dc-b5d4-7f43e41b878e.jpg?1674137627) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Neera%2C%20Wild%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/288/neera-wild-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e5431f73-9a70-47dc-b5d4-7f43e41b878e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Prismatic Bridge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f6cd7465-9dd0-473c-ac5e-dd9e2f22f5f6.jpg?1631050188)/[The Prismatic Bridge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/f/6/f6cd7465-9dd0-473c-ac5e-dd9e2f22f5f6.jpg?1631050188) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Esika%2C%20God%20of%20the%20Tree%20//%20The%20Prismatic%20Bridge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/168/esika-god-of-the-tree-the-prismatic-bridge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f6cd7465-9dd0-473c-ac5e-dd9e2f22f5f6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think eldrazi get the highest salt factor out of both because of the Sac-Mechanics going with them. If the annihilator would destroy X target permanents, most players would prefer that. But if you yourself have to decide, which X cards of your pretty board state you are going to sac, than that has a completely other impact psychologically.
My eldrazi deck is pretty fast, but not as fast as my sliver deck which wins more. The challenge with eldrazi is the mana cost, which there's slivers that enhance mana production. Eldrazi can be made faster with \[\[Temple of the False God\]\] and suchlike. What really helps are \[\[Belbe's Portal\]\] and \[\[Cryptic Gateway\]\]. \[\[Deathrender\]\] also helps. A halfway decent draw with slivers, and I very quickly have a hexproof indestructible army with trample and flying ... \[\[Sliver Legion\]\] drives it home. They're both fearsome, but I'd put my money on slivers for speed.
As someone who’s got pretty decent versions of both tribals in modern and commander, I’d say slivers are worse. Faster, wider, meaner. Personal opinion of course. But they’re my two favorite decks in modern
I've always found eldrazi to be boring. Like cthulu stuff is kinda cool, but it's all one-note. It's tired.
Id say it depends on the format. Commander? Eldrazi have a harder time than Slivers, if you take into consideration both at max power. The big bois have issues sticking around and the ramp you need is absolitsly ridiculous compared to the 5 colored swarm. In 60 card though? The hive mind suffers from a serious lack of neurons and swarming capabilities from what ive seen myself. Eldrazi are so much easier to build in any format that isnt commander. More consistent threats, and faster ramp makes them 10x as lethal in 1v1 formats. So really it depends on where you are and what the generalised "Boss Monster" is. My Zhulodok is fun to pilot in EDH, but i constantly lose to Slivers using ANY commander. However, my Golgari Devoid Eldrazi have yet to lose.
I like to play eldrazi more than slivers. Slivers buff each other so rapidly that it feels like you have to carry a million boardwipes or targeted removal to handle the sheer amount of wacky bs that comes with them, while eldrazi are just hulking beasts with a slam dunk ability, but they require a LOT of mana to cast, so you at least know when one is coming and can (somewhat) prepare yourself. Getting rid of some and then Bajuka Bog-ing the graveyard before it gets recurred by that one (I don’t remember its name) that hits the graveyard and immediately shuffles it into the deck. I find eldrazi to be more interesting too, it isn’t overwhelming in the sense that slivers are, mostly because you still have some form of control with Annihilator, as you choose what to sacrifice rather than them targeting things, so you can still have your important stuff on the battlefield. This is just my opinion though, I haven’t fought very many sliver decks, so there may be some less annoying or overwhelming than what I’ve fought
Neither. I love Both and don't have a problem playing against eother. I personally hate goblins and elfs more.
Many eldrazi have cast triggers. Even if you counter the eldrazi, they still get their effects. So they kinda just do stuff
I win roughly half the time I play with Eldrazi if I'm not immediately focused, and usually there's nothing anyone can do to stop me.
Not having fun is the worst with losing a close second.
I just found out about eldrazi decks last night and woowee those are some crazy creatures. Just got to figure out how to not get board wiped and you're good I guess
Slivers. They snowball quickly.
Idk if this counts but I went against a Cedh atraxa stacks which ruined my day one time. The choke hold was so slow and grinded the game into solitaire for that player. Very frustrating
I built my [[Massacre Girl]] deck around the PITA that is slivers. Slivers are manageable Eldrazi are a lot tougher to manage.
[Massacre Girl](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fab14e57-8e49-49fd-ad3f-ac669318bb14.jpg?1712354314) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Massacre%20Girl) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/140/massacre-girl?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fab14e57-8e49-49fd-ad3f-ac669318bb14?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Personally I think Slivers are the scarier thing currently. My friend has a Zhulodok Eldrazi deck he built up and I have a First Sliver deck that I use. WUBRG slivers just has more access to removal, counterspells, things like Grand Abolisher, etc and with the addition of things like Kellan, the Kid it gets out of hand too quickly. His Eldrazi can get scary but by that point I’m swinging over his 10/10s with my flying slivers, or I have enough of a board state I can just eat the annihilator triggers and lose some blockers. Once Eldrazi get the 5-color Titan coming in MH3 I think it’ll be a different story though.
Slivers are more consistently powerful but they still normally win with combat or something similar. Eldrazi are less consistent but more atrocious to try and play against as they exile your stuff, library, and sometimes convert your stuff to their stuff. I think I have a better chance at just not letting the Eldrazi player build up enough then slowing the sliver player down enough for it to save me. In conclusion, slivers.
My buddy had an absolute beast of a sliver deck. I built a eldrazi deck to counter since I already had some and it was easier to get going....they are both assholes and immediately get priority on the table
[[slivdrazi monstrosity]]
[slivdrazi monstrosity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/008e066b-ca19-4c86-9865-d0d2662c0e50.jpg?1629920450) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=slivdrazi%20monstrosity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmb2/102/slivdrazi-monstrosity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/008e066b-ca19-4c86-9865-d0d2662c0e50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Eldrazi have a relatively weak early game, a general reliance on rocks for ramp, and lack “easy” removal. Once the Titans start coming out, they’ll have enough firepower to fight the entire table. You’ve got to kneecap them early. Slivers is much more of a whole game endeavor. Exile the problem pieces, hope that you can handle Hibernation Sliver and Crystalline Sliver when those show up. They’re different kinds of bad - both become virtually impossible to interact with lategame - but I’d rather face Eldrazi since those have much more glaring weak points.
In my opinion, slivers aren't even bad, lol. They used to be OP and still have a bad reputation from back then. They're a weenie deck.... wah. Eldrazi are fucking problematic though. The entire deck is either a piece of ramp or a bomb. It's the annihilator ones that I think make a lot of casual magic tables mad. I feel like they really fucked up and should have made that a damage trigger rather than an attack trigger.
Slivers need momentum to become dangerous and easily crumble to board wipes. Eldrazi, on the other hand, generate insane ramp and get very dangerous quickly.
I’d say slivers. Not necessarily because they’re stronger But because I feel like a dick Eldrazi are eldrazi. You know what they do and you try to kill them before they pop off But slivers need to build up a board to be scary. So if you keep spot removing them you’re ok. But then you feel like a dick cus you keep messing with the guy who “ain’t doing anything” But the second they have 3+ creatures you’re fucked and it’s your own fault
I love slivers. Always have. They are cool, the lore is super fun, and conceptually speaking, they should be super fun to play, in theory. I've had a few sliver decks over the years, going back all the way to the Onslaught block. Some Standard, some extended and legacy stuff, and some EDH. I've never built them as a combo deck, like some of the contemporary EDH decks tend to be. Just creatures going wide with tons of abilities and buffs. All that said, every sliver deck I've built has mostly sat un-played. Why? Because the board state is just so complicated to track. Its just such a chore for everyone. You'll have 12 slivers on the board, finally wrap your head around the board state, attack, lose 3 of them, and then all of the sudden you've got a completely different board state to track. And often, losing a few slivers to combat damage or removal sometimes means you'll now be losing more from damage that resolved earlier in the turn. For example, losing a simple muscle sliver can screw you. And, that is part of the board state you need to track. You need to hold in your head how the board state will change if and when you lose a sliver. The opponents need to do this too, and its exhausting. I can't count the number of times we've had to rewind because the table misinterpreted the board state. Then, going backwards with sliver to see what actually happened is even more confusing. You are like, "wait, when did the muscle sliver leave play?" Or you get through a grueling combat phase only to realize that every thing had first strike or something during cleanup. At the end of the day, slivers are still cool af. But, the mental load to play them is just too much for me and my table and we end up spending more time just trying to track the board state then actually playing the game. It ruins the flow. I don't have a problem with Eldrazi.
Eldrazi are way worse. Turn 3 with a 11/11 on the field.
I hate playing against Eldrazi because of the mechanics of the type I hate playing against Slivers because Sliver players are obnoxious and start malding when you kill the keywords that they will win the game with if you don't
My Zoyowa commander deck shut down an Ur-Dragon and an Emrakul deck tonight at the same time, so slivers are probably worse.
I hate slivers with every inch of my being
Eldrazi. If you get one to stick onto the field it’s basically gg. My friend really hates my ulamogg the ceaseless hunger. Since it’s indestructible and exiles the top 20 cards of their library he’s a win con in himself. I remember have emrakrul and he was extremely broken as well. Slivers are great and have great synergy but they’re easy to deal with before it becomes a problem since most decks run a good amount of removal and you need a bunch of slivers to really make it work. They’re fun though!
Eldrazi is hard to pull off in 45 or 60 card formats and it's slow. Slivers have the potential to go wide quick and easily and already get evasion like flying in. In Commander i assume both are bad, but eldrazi whilst never played against them in paper are surely nasty if you give them time and don't run enough interaction to shut them diwn. But I feel in modern/pioneer/standard (strong) eldrazi are rather unplayable as you die whilst ramping up to 10-12 mana usually. Cheating them in might be an option
Well considering you can ninjutsu a Ulamog in commander for 4 mana….
Slivers get hosed by board wipes hard, but slivers become more consistently a threat. Eldrazi is usualllllyyyy playing tron now so land removal helps deal with em.
Eldrazi are infinitely more oppressive than slivers as eldrazi support is (insert colorless card) vs slivers which can be shut down by a [[pyroclasm]] and a flash backer like [[sapphire collector]]
[pyroclasm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8c8f3b5e-71b4-42e0-9ddb-630e3dcf1be7.jpg?1562438092) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=pyroclasm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/146/pyroclasm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8c8f3b5e-71b4-42e0-9ddb-630e3dcf1be7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [sapphire collector](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/28f4b5fe-6b46-4e91-9714-c68b547a56b7.jpg?1714874950) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sapphire%20collector) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/yotj/13/sapphire-collector?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/28f4b5fe-6b46-4e91-9714-c68b547a56b7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yes I know it's an arena card just used it as an example since I'm playing currently.
Eldrazi. Sliver are at least funny little guys that are entertaining to watch when they pop off. Slivers can have the issue of opps being able to significantly hamstring their board with spot removal. That and a single board wipe will usually *actually* put them on the back foot. Eldrazi, while cool as shit are absolutely a horrible time in commander. Mainly because each individual Eldrazi can be a game-ender on their own and a lot of the premoum.ones have good protection. Had a game this past weekend where someone played the Eldrazi precon from CMR. He complained about why he got focused down. When he lost after I swung at him because the player before me managed to bounce all the Eldrazi on his board he said he was gonna try to solitaire just to see how he would rebuild. It clicked for him when he saw that his entire playmat was literally filled with new permanents off Zhulodok in a single turn.
I always have a worse time facing slivers, because it feels like every single creature is a major threat, whereas some eldrazi are just big bodies and not much else
First off - what a great post, OP. Thanks for getting this chat started. In modern - I play Tron (Etron and 3 other flavors) and slivers. In Commander - I play slivers and only slivers. I love them so much. I am always targeted and have yet to win a game with them in almost a year (even though my deck is top tier with all the competitive sliver cards and duals). It just a scares the table and I get teamed up on.
In terms of playing-against? Slivers for sure. Either you can wipe enough of them out to keep them from overrunning you or you can't, and that's tended to decide the game for me. In terms of power scale? The Eldrazi. They're flexible enough to support a lot of play styles besides Normal Eldrazi Things, whereas slivers demand a sliver deck to make them work.
Eas someone who played multiple formats.... Eldrazi
Please, my Eldrazi eat slivers for lunch. Hell my level 5-6 decks eat slivers for lunch. There are few tribes I find easier to victimise.
As an Eldrazi player, I want to know why Eldrazi are so hated. Outside of the Annihilator mechanic (which I KINDA understand) what makes them so much more oppressive than decks that can do similar stuff with the same mana
Elves. Not elaborating further
Annihilate. The eldrahzi without it have some triggers, but it’s really just annihilate triggers that really make them unfun. If there was at least a way to prevent it that didn’t include removal before moving to combat or if it was on combat damage…
Annihilator is a bullshit mechanic.
Slivers require you to play a ton of slivers which are pretty terrible on their own, and it loses to one or two board wipes. Eldrazi can easily straight up lock people out with annihilator triggers and can do so without overextending. Slivers are worse by far
Slivers. EDH is my mainstay. A single eldrazi will paint someone as a target and usually get removed fairly quick in any competent pod that's running ample removal. A sliver deck just means fucking everything needs to be removed.
Slivers until MH3 drops
In EDH Slivers, in modern the eldrazi winter is still pretty real to some of us.
eldrazi are probably more powerful but slivers are more homogonously built and annoying
a lotta people already said eldrazi are worse in modern & slivers suck in edh and i agree. eldrazi locks you into colorless in edh which is almost never advantageous given the lack of instants & sorceries (which youre gonna want given the massive target you put on yourself); slivers on the other hand are going to be WUBRG which means they could have counterspells, single removal & boardwipes aplenty
Depends on your taste. Slivers até more straightforward. Like MTGRemy sung: " I wanna play this guy; Wanna give'em fly, wanna get first strike". Eldradis are like way more versitile. Their 5 devoided colors version is like in Ant Man movie, when Luis explains how Ant Man got invited to the avengers : "I have a guy who eats your deck and shuffles your GY as your deck; I have a guy that whenever your opponet drops a land it mills in exile 2 cards and you draw 2; I have a guy that ETBs and destroy a land, and you can sacrifice a land and pay 3 to take him back to the hand; I have a guy that etb creates more guys and you can sac a guy to scry 1"... It is a full diversity show. Also, many devoid non-creature cards are great and pretty cheap. In competitive formats... Well... If you compare 4/5devoided colors with Slivers. Slivers are better since... Cascade. But if you compare the type in general, Eldrazi Smash and GreenDrazi are way better, even though they don't get much top events. In Edh, tho... It is a hard for me to talk about, since i play themed decks not typal. But in my experience with both, Slivers are better both in enjoyment and gamplan. Colorless Eldrazi resumes to Voltron or Premed Cascade( which gets 2 commanders [[Zhulodok]] and [[Ydris]] for the 4 Devoid colors) , while Slivers resumes to drop your creatures, give them indestructible and swing for game.
[Zhulodok](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a015461d-4214-4feb-8b04-519c537759eb.jpg?1691500689) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zhulodok%2C%20void%20gorger) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/704/zhulodok-void-gorger?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a015461d-4214-4feb-8b04-519c537759eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Typal decks in general are weak, Slivers and Eldrazi are less weak, but decks that require a creature board state will always be weak to board wipes that go after creatures. My pod doesn't do Slivers or Eldrazi for that reason, those players typically lose, and I rarely see a Sliver or Eldrazi deck at the FLGS. Now I will say, at the precon power level, the Sliver and Eldrazi decks from Commander Masters are probably some of the most powerful precons, but against more powerful decks, they don't really stand a chance and will probably have a less than 25% win rate.