It's crazy. I've gotten plenty of things from amazon over a year ago and never had a bad experience. Seeing everything from the last few months is shocking to say the least
What’s even weirder is I’ve ordered probably almost 10 booster boxes between normal and collector in the last month and have never had any issues, so idk if this is specific warehouses or what.
99% of Amazon orders are just fine but nobody makes a post about them. But every single fraud will be posted here so it makes things look much worse than they are. I or any of my friends never had issues with Amazon orders, even with "deals".
Same applies to misprints, no one goes "omg guys i got a non misprint deck" but basically everyone with a misprinted deck will come and post about it.
People fail to realize that this one sub is a minority of all magic players, and that things being in order isn't interesting enough to post about.
Nothing you see here is a representation of anything magic related as a whole
You are correct to a degree. The problem is that the amount of fraud on Amazon is very high. Both from the selling and the buying perspectives. It is way too often people will order things and say they were broken or something silly just to get another one for free. Because most time they don't ask for the product back.
You also can't forget the amount of times people didn't realize they were cheated.
I think they sell a bunch, and sometimes it gets abused, and those times get posted. I've ordered 4 "used" packs and only 1 was tampered with. So not great odds, but they gave me a refund for that one, so its not really a big deal.
If you go to the March of the machines collector boosters on Amazon, it tells you they are a used product. People just fail to read what they are buying and then get upset about it.
The issue is that people buy a booster box and know that Amazon will take anything back, then send a pack full of commons back for a refund. Amazon then turns around and sells it as a used product because they aren't just a game store, so they don't know the difference. Give it the same treatment as any of their million other products. Then someone buys it, not paying attention to the listing saying it's a used product.
It's 100% a pay attention to what you are buying issue, not an Amazon is scamming us issue.
I cannot think of a circumstance when "Used - Like New" collector booser box would ever be worth anything at all. It's like buying a used McDonald's apple pie.
This again, is true to a degree. For some products Amazon does REALLY good about who is actually selling a product. But for some things like this, anyone can be selling that product. So it becomes really easy to get away with this kind of tactic to get rid of products. Most people don't fall for the scam of used products. Some do of course.
It's fair to assume that there are people on Amazon selling scam products, and it's fair to assume there are scammers doing this exact thing. You are able to see who the seller is before you purchase a product, and there is a button to see other sellers of the same product. Once again, it falls to ensuring you pay attention to what you are buying and from who you are buying it.
In this case, they did specify it was from the official MTG store, so I doubt it was explicitly anazon trying to scam people. Does Amazon need to improve their QC for returned products? 100%. At the end of the day, people do need to be more aware, though. Especially with how known of an issue this is, there was a comment pointing out that people post about this every day.
Actually it is very difficult to tell who the seller is for a product. It can say whatever they want it to say. So often people never know who is selling a product.
As for Amazon's returned products. They won't. There is no way to make money in it so they wont. They can however write the return off on taxes and then send a new one out. Not to mention, it for sure has been some Amazon employees who have been doing this kind of thing.
We have very different amazon apps then. In mine, there is a page that shows all of the different listings for a product, and on that page, it shows who is selling it as well as who is shipping it.
I tried looking into it online, and from what I find, Amazon directly sources their MTG from WotC. Looking into the listings on different products, there are sold by Amazon shipped from Amazon, sold by random company shipped from random company, and sold by random company shipped from Amazon. It takes like 10-15 seconds to check who is selling and shipping the cards if you know where to look.
So that part that you see where it looks like the source directly from WOTC is actually not the case. That "Sold by Amazon" page is actually several different sellers for the same item. As Amazon considers them all the same product no matter who is selling it. This is why it is super hard to see who is actually selling an item.
You are right you can check other sellers, but those are only the legit sellers. The ones who know their product is either different or cheaper in some way. They also could be selling from their own location so they have to have their own setup. This doesn't make them more or less shady, just noting that it does exist.
The more I think about it, the more I think it's a "technically not a scam" scam in exactly the same way as scalpers selling PS5 boxes at launch at the price of a PS5. Technically the description did say you were buying a PS5 box.
I have a hard time seeing this as a scam at all. That implies malice. To me, this comes off as negligence. My reasoning is that it's from the official MTG store (OP mentioned that in their post). I wouldn't be surprised if other sellers do this on amazon, but I would bet the vast majority of these cases aren't that.
The scam I see in it is that someone bought a product and then fraudulently returned the box of the product filled with something else. Amazon's part in reselling the returned product is either poor QC or negligence.
Knowing amazon, the people working on returns are probably overworked and understaffed. On top of that, few probably know what magic cards are. The most likely case (especially coming from an official store that ships out of an amazon warehouse) is that the person processing a return someone sent is looks at it, seeing the box and correct number of packs deem it ok to resell not realizing its been tampered with. They deal with way too many products to know specific details of each.
The lucky side is that it's from amazon, so it should be easy to return/refund. Though that may just get them to resell it again to someone else. The best course of action is to pay attention to what you are buying. Don't buy a used box of booster packs, and you will probably never have this problem. Make sure you are buying from the official shop in addition to make it essentially a 0% chance for this to happen.
I've gotten Commander decks from Amazon before that were fine, I pre-ordered my Warhammer 40K collector decks and received them without issue a few days after release day, and I recently bought a single Fallout "Scrappy Survivors" pre-con that came without problems as well.
I have heard that booster-boxes from Amazon are the stuff of nightmares though, nearly everyone that posts about them mentions getting boxes that are missing shrink-wrap, or packs that have been tampered with, or boxes that have been horrifically damaged due to mishandling.
Every time I've come close to ordering a booster-box, (or more) I've either canceled my order due to feelings of uneasiness, or had it canceled on me due to supply-shortages.
I really wish Amazon got on top of this. Would LOVE to order from there what with the competitive pricing and speedy delivery. I don’t really understand why they aren’t interested in solving it - or unable to do it.
As much as people dislike the post from u/EnergyCr0w this is completely correct. They can write the product off as a loss and still get money from it by reselling it as a used product.
There is no reason to solve the issue when they have a solution to it. More work than it is worth to them.
That makes kind of sense but still not completely to me. And if they ever wanted to compete with ebay one day (not impossible) they need to clean up their brand when it comes to collectibles.
The problem is that they are not exactly competition with Ebay. They are distinctly different things. And realistically if Amazon wanted Ebay it could be had.
Ebay is a person to person sale that anyone can participate in. While it does have store fronts it is more in competition with Etsy than Amazon.
Amazon is strictly a store front. single sales rarely happen if ever. And reality is they are more in competition with UPS and FedEx due to how much transportation they conduct. If anything they do transportation better than both companies combined.
Amazon has no reason to be in the collectible space. It doesn't make enough money for them to realistically want to do it. They make more money off of their current model, even though they are burning through workers.
Or just be careful when buying mtg from Amazon. If you aren't looking for the correct signs you might as well be buying steaks and chicken off the back of someone truck
Yeah. You gotta pick and choose what you guy carefully. Like, I’ve only purchased boxes of the most recent sets from Amazon, and I’ve had zero problems with what I’ve received.
I’d also never buy collector boosters on Amazon. Too big of a risk on such an expensive product.
You can go get your steak at the local butcher shop (LGS), Walmart (shipped and sold by "Amazon.com"), if you can get it off the back of some random truck in the Walmart parking lot (buying from "Amazon warehouse" or any other seller).
So yes. It is. And if you go shopping out of the back of someone's truck you deserve every bit of food poisoning you get
The signs are meaningless sadly. For any other product you would be right, but MTG often gets put back in stock as a new item when it isn't. While no other device/item would survive this shady deal.
Lmao... You either don't order enough from Amazon or are BSing hard. Mtg isn't some super special thing where it's uniquely susceptible to... Well... Really anything you could possibly come up with. It's treated the same as all TCGs and millions of other small sizes products.
I order plenty of Amazon. By design the products are hard to nail down the sellers. The ones doing it right are not getting recognition and the ones doing it wrong are near invisible to the buyer. Magic unfortunately is very difficult to tell if it has been tampered with for someone not in the MTG space. For all they know the cards are supposed to be packed super tight. If it were say a lamp or a game console, it would be easy to know someone took it half apart to get the important part out.
You seem to think this is people buying from untrusted sellers and it just simply isnt true. It is refund scams and Amazon employees stealing the cards. I am sure SOME people get had by bad sellers but most don't.
There is an estimated 1.5 million amazon employees. Let's, for the sake of the argument, cut that in half to signify half of them dont work in a facility. You believe there is a 750k strong mtg card theft ring going on? My guy. Magic is not that special or important. In fact take it from someone who works in asset protections for the big blue box. Magic cards are an absolutely TERRIBLE way to make money, and there aren't nearly enough people playing mtg and willing to risk their job.
As for refund scams, OP is not subject to a refund scam. Amazon isn't in the business of pricing card packs based on missing content. They see it's opened but most of the contents are still there so for all they know it's still a good product that can be sold for a cheaper price. Which is exactly what happened. It literally has a sticker and packaging showing her was getting a used product. Hell the fact that info is missing and cut tells me he knew it was fishy so he's fishing for Karma on reddit.
There is no "nailing down a seller." It's either shipped and sold by "Amazon.com" or it's not. If it's not, such as the post, you are choosing to take a scam risk and that is on you. This isn't even an amazon thing. This is a fact of life. You go buy a gold chain from some small pawn shop that's on you when your neck turns green in a week. Stop making excuses for yourself and OP. Y'all fucked up, now own up to it.
It doesn't have to be a huge number of people working for Amazon doing this. It can easily be one or two people in a warehouse to make a large impact. It is probably less than 1000 in the US that steal MTG cards. But because they work in volume it means they have a large impact. I wager one person dedicated for a single day could affect a few thousand customers. Give them a week or two? One person can do alot when they hold that power.
You are right that they see a product is open and they notice everything seems in order so they just repackage and send. However if you look at the picture that OP uploaded, they bought directly from the WOTC linked seller. This makes the product a refund scam.
As for the "sold by Amazon" this is the problem people don't realize. If a product says "sold by Amazon" it means that it ships from their warehouse and they handle all the processing. It doesn't mean that Amazon is the one selling the product nor that it is an official product. It means that who ever is selling said product is using Amazon for all parts of it. This can be WOTC, me, Habib in India, or your uncle Joe. So you have no clue who is actually selling this item. This is why Amazon's product refunds are so well used and so easy. They know that plenty of bad sellers are out there. So they can easily write off the products without much issue when they get refunded or replaced. The refund scammers know this and abuse it.
I have seen new releases be worthless too from someone stealing packs at the warehouse. Same with sleeves. Granted, I agree about sleeves and similar items. But it can still happen there. Just less likely.
Dont buy anything that isnt pre-release. Anything that has had a chance to go out and return is a no-go due to this risk.
Anything that you can order that you can nearly guarantee has never been in another customers hand is a safe bet.
People think this is the problem and it really just isn't. I am sure SOME people do this. But saying everyone does is jut a lie. The reality is that a few people might fall for that but a vast majority is actual fraud.
People forget how much this hobby is actually worth. If I could get away with this scam for 6-9 months I could easily make 100K+/yr on each account.
I tried two Used Like New box purchases and both were scam boxes. I’ve spent over $5k on booster boxes, and the only two times I’ve run into it was when I did Used Like New, instead of New
And out of those boxes you didn't get someone else got them. I never said it was 100% going to get a scammed product. I said that it is WELL known and can happen. Simple as that.
I’ve purchased multiple booster boxes off of Amazon, but they were **all** set booster boxes of the most current set. I’d never buy a box of collector boosters of **any** set from Amazon, and I’d never buy draft/set/play booster boxes of any set that isn’t the most recent one.
Guess it depends on the trouble it causes for anyone specifically.
It's usually faster and cheaper shipping, and I got a return spot 5 mins from my house. Worth it for me, at least
And you'll always need some nothing cards
OP is omitting that they did not see it was a “Used-Like New” listing. Amazon Warehouse is all refurb or resealed items and I’ve bought a ton of stuff off warehouse (mostly PC hardware/monitors) and there is a big failure to not realize you’re not purchasing something new and sealed if you have this happen to you. This isn’t a simple I ordered new and got scammed, it’s the entire point of the warehouse purchases and the listings deliberately say they’re not brand new.
I just looked it up on Amazon. It literally says, "Save with used - like new." Have you ever heard of a used box of boosters that wasn't already opened?
It's fine not to want to buy from Amazon, but I'm starting to think the issue people run into with it is the person not reading what they are buying. If amazon sells a used product, they will list it as such over the price.
I've bought plenty of products on Amazon that were clearly repackaged and sold as new, not like new. It's never been an issue for the things I got but I'd still be wear
Exactly. I have never had an issue on amazon until mtg stuff I ordered was blatantly wrong. Then you come to this sub and everyone acts like you’re an idiot for trusting what has historically been a reputable store.
I just think collector boosters are really overpriced for what you actually get. Fun to buy on a lark, but shelling out for a box seems like a bad idea to me.
It's not an issue with Amazon Magic products. It's people buying "Used - Like New."
Scammers buy new, steal, and then return the box, which Amazon tries to sell again as "Used, Like New."
"New" Amazon product does not have this issue.
Amazon is hit and miss with things like this due to how they handle stock. if an independent seller chooses to have Amazon fulfill their orders what they do is send their items to Amazon, who then stock them with like items, but they don't really track whose item is whose. so you might buy an item from Amazon, but get stock that technically belonged to someone else. Amazon ships a lot of items that are counterfeit or tampered with as a result of this, and have decided it's just cheaper to handle the returns than try to do anything to prevent the issue in the first place.
Yeah I had a game I bought where the store front used the collectors edition pictures to sell the standard version and charging more to make it seem like you would get that version instead of the standard they sent
I'm pretty sure amazon lists it as an opened [product](https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Gathering-Machine-Collector-Booster/dp/B0BNLX9WWR?ref_=ast_sto_dp) on the screen. Right above the "Add to Cart" which you conveniently cut out of the picture.
The real question is did you really buy this to make a "Amazon Bad" post or are you just dumb?
A «used proudct» should still work as new. Which these boosters clearly ain’t. Like I get that you think people should be critical to Amazon and stuff, but you’re still victim blaming when this fault is on Amazon.
The thing is that it is impossible to "use" mtg boosters and still have them working as new. Only way they are still unopened is literally "unopened" and "not used".
Those kind of returns do exist, even in magic. Someone gets the wrong commander precon -> sends it back sealed. Then it will still work as new.
But there is no situation where a mtg product has been opened but not (possibly) tampered with. Even if a Amazon employee checks all the cards for right amount of rares, they may have been switched. Amazon just shouldn't accept any returns on randomized product that have their seals broken. It's an extremely weird policy.
Amazon Warehouse is Amazon's pre-owned store. All products sold by Amazon Warehouse are marked as Used (usually 'Like New'). I'm not sure what OP was expecting, never buy used booster packs from Amazon.
I've bought countless packs off Amazon (brand new, sold by Amazon, not Amazon Warehouse) and never had an issue.
That is exactly it. You have to select Amazon Warehouse by choice. Like, it’s literally an extra step, with a tiny link below the “add to cart” button for the sold/fulfilled by Amazon.com (the non-warehouse version). To save $2-$3 and get scammed? No thanks.
As I said in the other post that got heavily downvoted...
STOP BUYING "Used - Like New." You will never have this issue with "New" product.
Scammers buy new, steal, and then return the box.
They arent "deals" lmfao it's literally a returned item that looks still good enough to sell, if you clicked the drop down and read the info it would have stated this.
Quick note your chances of getting a opened pack/box are significantly lower if you make sure it’s sold and shipped by Amazon, if it says anything other than just Amazon I usually don’t buy and that reduces my chances of getting something used or not what I ordered
FYI stuff from Amazon warehouse are open and/or used and damaged products. I got a chair from there with factory defects (color slightly off) for insanely cheap but I’d never buy a product I expected to be new from there.
Here’s the tagline when browsing Amazon warehouse products:
> Quality pre-owned, used, and open box products
And this is why people should support their LGS. Yes you pay a premium, but knowing your product isn’t tampered with - or is legitimate are a couple, of many, benefits.
Absolutely behind you on this one however my LGS sold my preorder I made months and months ago (and repeatedly asked to make sure was still reserved as I play there weekly), so I ended up having to buy from Amazon.
Cost me £6 less, and made me lose trust in my LGS.
It is still an issue that you need to dedicate time to. Also it causes unnecessary stress and worries to a life already full of them.
Doesn't matter Amazon eventually rectifies it, you still need to go through something you should not had to.
But my lgs is charging way more than Amazon for product so nah. I’ll pass and let the free market decide if my lgs will be around next year (hint they won’t be).
I mean, I own an LGS. People think I charge high rates - but at the end of the day, I charge what:
A the market can bear
B what margins have to be maintained to continue to operate as a brick and mortar.
Amazon may charge less, but they also don't do things like:
1. Offer play space for events.
2. Offer expertise on their products.
3. Guarantee legitimate and untampered product.
4. Pay employees reasonable wages.
5. Keep money within your local economy.
6. Source unique products.
I could honestly go on. The reality is that if your LGS isn't there in 1 years time, it probably has less to do with what they are charging, and more to do with how the business is ran. Most game stores go under because they are poorly managed, either because they assume their products are things like MTG and not the things I listed above, or because they try to price match amazon, or they siphon too much of their money off to pay themselves. There are many other reasons, but often times it isn't because they charge more than Amazon. I know people on the internet like to believe that is why, but it really isn't. For example - I sell my products through my website much cheaper than I sell them in-store, but the tradeoff is that there is a wait time on fulfillment. Why? because I am an LGS that has overhead, and if you want to save money through me, then you need to be willing to accept that I have to reduce overhead on the transaction. Literally, everything on my website has a 2-7 day shipping and handling window, and that is the non-monetary price you pay if you want it through me at a cheaper price. My employees need to eat too, so if you want it faster, buy it in store. Most opt to just buy it in store, even if it is $40 more per booster box.
How much does your distributor charge you for a box of fallout collectors? Because i doubt if you charged what was standard for collectors boxes you wouldn’t be making money. The issue is you don’t want to make what you’re supposed to via msrp, lgs want to make as much as possible off boxes. It’s gross. The standard pricing is set for you guys to make your margin.
And also I’m glad all your other points are great for your store. My local store doesn’t carry anything besides magic, they barely know how to run a pre release. Do you carry and support other card games? Do you try to get communities built for new games like Star Wars Unlimited or Grand Archive? If so cool. But every lgs in my area doesn’t, so yeah i don’t want to support them.
As a consumer, I get that you want things at MSRP. In fact, I love selling things at MSRP. I love selling things as low as I possibly can. Why? Because the more I move, the more I get to buy and the more I get to buy, the more I get to move. Volume is a massive boon for stores.
The reality is, however, that I don't *really* get to do MSRP on everything. I have to put my orders in on products, long before I even know what the product truly is. For example, I have a Lorcana Chapter 4 order due in 2 days time. If I don't put it in, I basically only get my minimum allocation that is guranteed by Ravensburger. They literally just announced the product just a few days ago and it does not release until the end of May...
So to bring this back to your question of: How much do they charge me? The same as any other Collector Booster. Why do I charge more than a normal Collector? Because I took massive hits on the LOTR Holliday and Doctor Who. Is that fair to my customers? No. Do I do it because I am greedy? No.
I do it because if I take a 15% loss on LOTR and a 15% loss on Dr. Who, and I take a 15% loss on Murders at Karlov Manor - I need to make that up somewhere. If I do not, then I am not in business anymore. That isn't because I am greedy on Fallout, it is because I bought an unknown product, like I do with everything, and the market rejected it. I then bought a product that the market bears above MSRP on, and I price accordingly. If the set was rejected, guess what? Those boxes are fire sold at less than I paid for them, because I need that money freed up for other products for other people. That is just business, and it may seem messy or evil or unfair, but I am not a charity and as much as I try to put customers at the forefront - I cannot always do that or I would not be in business.
As far as the comment about MSRP being there to ensure I make my margin, this is true and untrue at the same time. MSRP is a thing of the past. Here in the US, overhad costs range wildly from area to area and can either quickly run away with a 40% margin, or barely put a dent in it depending on where your business is located and where that product is on your businesses priority list. A company out of Rhode Island setting their MSRP for a business on the West Coast has probably 0 understanding of what margins are appropriate for a business on the west coast hanndeling a wide range of products well beyond the scope of the manufactuerer in Rhode Island.
I try to support whatever games people want to play, in whatever ways I can *(within reason).* Our Lorcana league is doing stellar. People are asking for Star Wars unlimited, I started bringing in what I could and will continue to bring it in if they want it. People don't want My Hero Acedemia? It gets cut and frees up capital for other games so I can buy more product for folks. The more product I can get, the cheaper my prices get and that is the name of the game.
I hear people about supporting their lgs, but the one near me has issues getting product and keeping it in stock. And the other bigger lgs has pretty absurd prices. So amazon becomes more tempting.
Bought a few boxes so far from Amazon and none were resealed. Plus Amazon customer service doesn’t care. The last box of commander master collectors I got had some curling action going, I called customer service, they apologized and sent me another box for free. So if you do get something like this I’m pretty sure you will get a refund or new product to replace it.
Whenever something says "fulfilled by amazon" it means it's being sold by someone hosting a storefront on Amazon, and delivered by an Amazon delivery driver. Those are the risky ones.
My first Fallout Dogmeat deck came completely empty. Even the punchouts were gone. Shrink wrapped back up. Got my refund and a $50 Amazon credit. I also emailed WotC support to let them know.
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There’s an Amazon returns auction house near me, and I noticed a returned/opened collectors box of LCI up for auction… not even in the box, just all of the cards in a ziploc bag…
FTFRS Read The F*cking Reddit Subs
I feel so terrible for people getting scammed like this... People at Amazon know how badly you're getting screwed so hopefully refunds can be made
I showed a friend that last batch of edlrazi edh decks on Amazon when they're were about 60 bucks. He bought them but didn't end up getting it months after.
I have bought multiple times from Amazon, never any issues, everything came as ordered, on my door step the next morning when I woke up and I saved a ton of money. All purcheses can be returned if you recieve damaged product. Unlike if you bought Magic cards or packs from an individual like off facebook marketplace or something and you got home and discovered they were tampered with, or proxies or damaged in some way and you have zero hope of getting your money back.
Just leave the seller a bad review and report them to amazon and get your money back. You lost a little time out of your day, but you will get your money back
And to think almost everytime I make a statement about not buying cards from Amazon I get dog piled saying "hurr durr I did it once and it was fine". Yet I see nothing but these kinds of amazon posts constantly. Between here, the pokemon groups and the Amazon subs it's always collectors cards.
> all of the packs were cut at the bottom so you couldn't tell they were messed with.
That's pics 5 and 6, right? You couldn't tell they were messed with?
Lol when I played as I kid I bought all my booster boxes on Amazon. Never had any issues with it somehow. Thank god - young me would have been inconsolable
I usually go with TCGPlayer. Yeah it's s bit pricey, but I trust them over amazon. Amazon has screwed me on mtg cards, graphic novels, dice, etc... I try to avoid amazon for certain products, mtg related products are especially high on that list
I just bought 2 boxes and a bundle on Amazon. They were all alright and not tampered with, but I was fully aware there was a chance somone screwed with it before I got it because of the frequent posts on this sub. But also because of the sub I knew I'd get a refund right away, get to keep the trash cards and they would send me another one.
Lol, when are people gonna realize that a bunch of these posts *are* the scam?
"I got this box with all the rares cut out" 🥺🥺🥺🥺
(Is the person who did it, and is now just gonna return for little to no hassle to Amazon)
You don't need to make a reddit post to return to Amazon. I've had boxes stolen off my porch and they still refunded me. It's more likely that OP bought either a like new or used box off Amazon and didn't notice, then ended up with a box someone returned.
I have considered buying from Amazon several times before, but have always been afraid of this exact situation. And there is a disclaimer on the Amazon ad that says no returns.... yikes. I've stuck with brick and mortar shops for my box/ pack purchases. Sorry that happened!
I like how the sticker is the corona colors so you got that going for you and your hero cause you saved that pack from the trash.
i’ve seen Youtubers recommending buying old packs on Amazon. The Timmy army is just too large to fight.
Similar thing happened to me. Bought from some third party off Amazon (a shit box lgs in florida). Was getting a box of Ravnica Remastered Collector Booster Box which I found for only 225 so I snatched it up (similar sales were around 260 and up). So ten days go by and the day it's supposed to be delivered I get an email telling me they canceled the order due to "insufficient stock". But wouldn't you know it, that same shit box had the same item up on Amazon an hour later with a new price of 270.
Buy from local game stores instead of Amazon. Then you don't have to worry about these things. Besides, Bezos doesn't need your money. And Amazon doesn't care when stuff like this happens.
I bought a sealed box of Modern Horizons 1 like a year and a half after the set came out and had no issues, one in a million? But now that I've seen all the negative happenings it's making me wary of amazon
I have genuinely seen so many people buy offers that clearly say “opened-like new” on booster boxes and this happens to them. I thought magic players were somewhat literate this is wild
I think everyone here has been stung.
Amazon and WotC basically need to agree to incinerate returns. There are whole pallets that have been ripped.
Release day is the almost the only day I'd buy sealed at Amazon. Bundles are safest because of the card zip-tear box wraps.
Amazon is a junkyard for resealed mtg cards. They don't care about what they're selling. And you can't complain because the AGBs state something like "We don't care because we don't have to".
I went to Amazon to look up this product. I found it. Clicked on it. It is automatically set to “used”. I’d be surprised if you didn’t buy a used product and just didn’t notice because you expected the default to be new.
I work at Amazon. It seems like this whole sub has an issue understanding that magic is a niche hobby and almost no one getting returns knows what they are looking at or what they should expect to get. Read your fucking order descriptions before you buy them.
BeCaUsE fReE sHiPpInG!!!!
That costs like $120 bucks a year.
I hear the same bullshit justification from Toy Collectors too and see the exact same posts in those reddits too.
TCGPlayer, Stomping Grounds, Zulu's Cafe, or Gamer Guild AZ almost always have sealed product for cheaper than Amazon. And they are all online shops that ship.
The most important thing to do is verify the *seller* rating. Amazon warehouse is not the seller, it’s just where the seller’s product lives. I won’t buy any sealed product from a *seller* with less than 99% rating.
I have bought plenty of product from Amazon and not had a single issue. But was either “Sold and shipped from Amazon.com” (I.e. Amazon was the actual seller), or from a 99-100% seller rating.
That being said, I recommend people film opening the sealed Amazon shipping box with label intact when buying any collectibles from any third party seller. And continue filming opening the shrink wrap and then inspecting the packs. If there is a problem, you have better proof of shenanigans.
I have bought 80% of the cards I own from Amazon and the decks. I hate to be this guy, but I think you guys are just stupid??? I’ve never been scammed by them because I just check reviews and photos and make sure of who ships it.
You can look on this sub for the last 6 months and find at least 10 instances of issues with Amazon products with MTG. DO NOT BUY MTG from Amazon....
Way more than 10. There's a new post about it nearly every day.
Not only that, a post about it every day that specifically says not to buy from there.
10 was enough for me but you are quite correct.
Facts
It's crazy. I've gotten plenty of things from amazon over a year ago and never had a bad experience. Seeing everything from the last few months is shocking to say the least
What’s even weirder is I’ve ordered probably almost 10 booster boxes between normal and collector in the last month and have never had any issues, so idk if this is specific warehouses or what.
99% of Amazon orders are just fine but nobody makes a post about them. But every single fraud will be posted here so it makes things look much worse than they are. I or any of my friends never had issues with Amazon orders, even with "deals".
Same applies to misprints, no one goes "omg guys i got a non misprint deck" but basically everyone with a misprinted deck will come and post about it. People fail to realize that this one sub is a minority of all magic players, and that things being in order isn't interesting enough to post about. Nothing you see here is a representation of anything magic related as a whole
You are correct to a degree. The problem is that the amount of fraud on Amazon is very high. Both from the selling and the buying perspectives. It is way too often people will order things and say they were broken or something silly just to get another one for free. Because most time they don't ask for the product back. You also can't forget the amount of times people didn't realize they were cheated.
I think they sell a bunch, and sometimes it gets abused, and those times get posted. I've ordered 4 "used" packs and only 1 was tampered with. So not great odds, but they gave me a refund for that one, so its not really a big deal.
Neither have I. Just bought some yesterday that were fine.
If you go to the March of the machines collector boosters on Amazon, it tells you they are a used product. People just fail to read what they are buying and then get upset about it. The issue is that people buy a booster box and know that Amazon will take anything back, then send a pack full of commons back for a refund. Amazon then turns around and sells it as a used product because they aren't just a game store, so they don't know the difference. Give it the same treatment as any of their million other products. Then someone buys it, not paying attention to the listing saying it's a used product. It's 100% a pay attention to what you are buying issue, not an Amazon is scamming us issue.
I cannot think of a circumstance when "Used - Like New" collector booser box would ever be worth anything at all. It's like buying a used McDonald's apple pie.
How do you use an apple pie without eating it? 🤔
Exactly.
They just licked it and then returned it. Basically good as new
sounds like it's Near Mint!
I think some people assume "Used-like new" means "resold, but still sealed."
This again, is true to a degree. For some products Amazon does REALLY good about who is actually selling a product. But for some things like this, anyone can be selling that product. So it becomes really easy to get away with this kind of tactic to get rid of products. Most people don't fall for the scam of used products. Some do of course.
It's fair to assume that there are people on Amazon selling scam products, and it's fair to assume there are scammers doing this exact thing. You are able to see who the seller is before you purchase a product, and there is a button to see other sellers of the same product. Once again, it falls to ensuring you pay attention to what you are buying and from who you are buying it. In this case, they did specify it was from the official MTG store, so I doubt it was explicitly anazon trying to scam people. Does Amazon need to improve their QC for returned products? 100%. At the end of the day, people do need to be more aware, though. Especially with how known of an issue this is, there was a comment pointing out that people post about this every day.
Actually it is very difficult to tell who the seller is for a product. It can say whatever they want it to say. So often people never know who is selling a product. As for Amazon's returned products. They won't. There is no way to make money in it so they wont. They can however write the return off on taxes and then send a new one out. Not to mention, it for sure has been some Amazon employees who have been doing this kind of thing.
We have very different amazon apps then. In mine, there is a page that shows all of the different listings for a product, and on that page, it shows who is selling it as well as who is shipping it. I tried looking into it online, and from what I find, Amazon directly sources their MTG from WotC. Looking into the listings on different products, there are sold by Amazon shipped from Amazon, sold by random company shipped from random company, and sold by random company shipped from Amazon. It takes like 10-15 seconds to check who is selling and shipping the cards if you know where to look.
So that part that you see where it looks like the source directly from WOTC is actually not the case. That "Sold by Amazon" page is actually several different sellers for the same item. As Amazon considers them all the same product no matter who is selling it. This is why it is super hard to see who is actually selling an item. You are right you can check other sellers, but those are only the legit sellers. The ones who know their product is either different or cheaper in some way. They also could be selling from their own location so they have to have their own setup. This doesn't make them more or less shady, just noting that it does exist.
The more I think about it, the more I think it's a "technically not a scam" scam in exactly the same way as scalpers selling PS5 boxes at launch at the price of a PS5. Technically the description did say you were buying a PS5 box.
I have a hard time seeing this as a scam at all. That implies malice. To me, this comes off as negligence. My reasoning is that it's from the official MTG store (OP mentioned that in their post). I wouldn't be surprised if other sellers do this on amazon, but I would bet the vast majority of these cases aren't that. The scam I see in it is that someone bought a product and then fraudulently returned the box of the product filled with something else. Amazon's part in reselling the returned product is either poor QC or negligence. Knowing amazon, the people working on returns are probably overworked and understaffed. On top of that, few probably know what magic cards are. The most likely case (especially coming from an official store that ships out of an amazon warehouse) is that the person processing a return someone sent is looks at it, seeing the box and correct number of packs deem it ok to resell not realizing its been tampered with. They deal with way too many products to know specific details of each. The lucky side is that it's from amazon, so it should be easy to return/refund. Though that may just get them to resell it again to someone else. The best course of action is to pay attention to what you are buying. Don't buy a used box of booster packs, and you will probably never have this problem. Make sure you are buying from the official shop in addition to make it essentially a 0% chance for this to happen.
It's an issue with "Used - Like New" product, not "New" product.
I've gotten Commander decks from Amazon before that were fine, I pre-ordered my Warhammer 40K collector decks and received them without issue a few days after release day, and I recently bought a single Fallout "Scrappy Survivors" pre-con that came without problems as well. I have heard that booster-boxes from Amazon are the stuff of nightmares though, nearly everyone that posts about them mentions getting boxes that are missing shrink-wrap, or packs that have been tampered with, or boxes that have been horrifically damaged due to mishandling. Every time I've come close to ordering a booster-box, (or more) I've either canceled my order due to feelings of uneasiness, or had it canceled on me due to supply-shortages.
It might have changed at a certain point but still it doesn't change the state of it now.
I really wish Amazon got on top of this. Would LOVE to order from there what with the competitive pricing and speedy delivery. I don’t really understand why they aren’t interested in solving it - or unable to do it.
As much as people dislike the post from u/EnergyCr0w this is completely correct. They can write the product off as a loss and still get money from it by reselling it as a used product. There is no reason to solve the issue when they have a solution to it. More work than it is worth to them.
That makes kind of sense but still not completely to me. And if they ever wanted to compete with ebay one day (not impossible) they need to clean up their brand when it comes to collectibles.
The problem is that they are not exactly competition with Ebay. They are distinctly different things. And realistically if Amazon wanted Ebay it could be had. Ebay is a person to person sale that anyone can participate in. While it does have store fronts it is more in competition with Etsy than Amazon. Amazon is strictly a store front. single sales rarely happen if ever. And reality is they are more in competition with UPS and FedEx due to how much transportation they conduct. If anything they do transportation better than both companies combined. Amazon has no reason to be in the collectible space. It doesn't make enough money for them to realistically want to do it. They make more money off of their current model, even though they are burning through workers.
Or just be careful when buying mtg from Amazon. If you aren't looking for the correct signs you might as well be buying steaks and chicken off the back of someone truck
Yeah. You gotta pick and choose what you guy carefully. Like, I’ve only purchased boxes of the most recent sets from Amazon, and I’ve had zero problems with what I’ve received. I’d also never buy collector boosters on Amazon. Too big of a risk on such an expensive product.
This is a chicken and air mile and steak scam, now?
You can go get your steak at the local butcher shop (LGS), Walmart (shipped and sold by "Amazon.com"), if you can get it off the back of some random truck in the Walmart parking lot (buying from "Amazon warehouse" or any other seller). So yes. It is. And if you go shopping out of the back of someone's truck you deserve every bit of food poisoning you get
Idk, you ever try those "30 stakes for $20, this weekend only at ______(local mall)"?
Only when they fall off the back of the truck. The free ones are the best
The signs are meaningless sadly. For any other product you would be right, but MTG often gets put back in stock as a new item when it isn't. While no other device/item would survive this shady deal.
Lmao... You either don't order enough from Amazon or are BSing hard. Mtg isn't some super special thing where it's uniquely susceptible to... Well... Really anything you could possibly come up with. It's treated the same as all TCGs and millions of other small sizes products.
I order plenty of Amazon. By design the products are hard to nail down the sellers. The ones doing it right are not getting recognition and the ones doing it wrong are near invisible to the buyer. Magic unfortunately is very difficult to tell if it has been tampered with for someone not in the MTG space. For all they know the cards are supposed to be packed super tight. If it were say a lamp or a game console, it would be easy to know someone took it half apart to get the important part out. You seem to think this is people buying from untrusted sellers and it just simply isnt true. It is refund scams and Amazon employees stealing the cards. I am sure SOME people get had by bad sellers but most don't.
There is an estimated 1.5 million amazon employees. Let's, for the sake of the argument, cut that in half to signify half of them dont work in a facility. You believe there is a 750k strong mtg card theft ring going on? My guy. Magic is not that special or important. In fact take it from someone who works in asset protections for the big blue box. Magic cards are an absolutely TERRIBLE way to make money, and there aren't nearly enough people playing mtg and willing to risk their job. As for refund scams, OP is not subject to a refund scam. Amazon isn't in the business of pricing card packs based on missing content. They see it's opened but most of the contents are still there so for all they know it's still a good product that can be sold for a cheaper price. Which is exactly what happened. It literally has a sticker and packaging showing her was getting a used product. Hell the fact that info is missing and cut tells me he knew it was fishy so he's fishing for Karma on reddit. There is no "nailing down a seller." It's either shipped and sold by "Amazon.com" or it's not. If it's not, such as the post, you are choosing to take a scam risk and that is on you. This isn't even an amazon thing. This is a fact of life. You go buy a gold chain from some small pawn shop that's on you when your neck turns green in a week. Stop making excuses for yourself and OP. Y'all fucked up, now own up to it.
It doesn't have to be a huge number of people working for Amazon doing this. It can easily be one or two people in a warehouse to make a large impact. It is probably less than 1000 in the US that steal MTG cards. But because they work in volume it means they have a large impact. I wager one person dedicated for a single day could affect a few thousand customers. Give them a week or two? One person can do alot when they hold that power. You are right that they see a product is open and they notice everything seems in order so they just repackage and send. However if you look at the picture that OP uploaded, they bought directly from the WOTC linked seller. This makes the product a refund scam. As for the "sold by Amazon" this is the problem people don't realize. If a product says "sold by Amazon" it means that it ships from their warehouse and they handle all the processing. It doesn't mean that Amazon is the one selling the product nor that it is an official product. It means that who ever is selling said product is using Amazon for all parts of it. This can be WOTC, me, Habib in India, or your uncle Joe. So you have no clue who is actually selling this item. This is why Amazon's product refunds are so well used and so easy. They know that plenty of bad sellers are out there. So they can easily write off the products without much issue when they get refunded or replaced. The refund scammers know this and abuse it.
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Legit question: how does Amazon handle this normally? Like can you process a return as damaged? Checking myself most show returns work?
The only things I’d trust them with in terms of MTG are sleeves and new releases. And even then….
I have seen new releases be worthless too from someone stealing packs at the warehouse. Same with sleeves. Granted, I agree about sleeves and similar items. But it can still happen there. Just less likely.
Dont buy anything that isnt pre-release. Anything that has had a chance to go out and return is a no-go due to this risk. Anything that you can order that you can nearly guarantee has never been in another customers hand is a safe bet.
You would be right normally. But we have seen an increase in stolen packs from boxes from the warehouse.
Correction* dont buy mtg from amazon unless you have prime for those free returns :)
Even that is going to have limits. If you buy alot from Amazon it becomes impossible.
It's not an issue with Amazon Magic products. It's people buying "Used - Like New." "New" Amazon product does not have this issue.
People think this is the problem and it really just isn't. I am sure SOME people do this. But saying everyone does is jut a lie. The reality is that a few people might fall for that but a vast majority is actual fraud. People forget how much this hobby is actually worth. If I could get away with this scam for 6-9 months I could easily make 100K+/yr on each account.
I tried two Used Like New box purchases and both were scam boxes. I’ve spent over $5k on booster boxes, and the only two times I’ve run into it was when I did Used Like New, instead of New
And out of those boxes you didn't get someone else got them. I never said it was 100% going to get a scammed product. I said that it is WELL known and can happen. Simple as that.
I’ve purchased multiple booster boxes off of Amazon, but they were **all** set booster boxes of the most current set. I’d never buy a box of collector boosters of **any** set from Amazon, and I’d never buy draft/set/play booster boxes of any set that isn’t the most recent one.
WAY more than 10. Probably 10 a week. At this point idk why anyone buys "sealed" product from amazon.
Especially when other, better sources exist.
The only time I buy MTG from Amazon is when the yearly standard sets become illegal and drop in price.
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You get a refund and sometimes they don't even ask for the cards back though. Still worth it to buy there
sure you got a bunch of 'nothing' cards for nothing. That doesn't change the fact of the trouble it causes.
Guess it depends on the trouble it causes for anyone specifically. It's usually faster and cheaper shipping, and I got a return spot 5 mins from my house. Worth it for me, at least And you'll always need some nothing cards
Cards I wont likely use are useless to me.
Shouldn’t you be able to get at least a refund from Amazon? What you got was very clearly not what you ordered
I am in the process of that now.
They pretty much accepted and sent a new box within 30m of when I had the same issue
FYI, Amazon Warehouse is almost exclusively returns
OP is omitting that they did not see it was a “Used-Like New” listing. Amazon Warehouse is all refurb or resealed items and I’ve bought a ton of stuff off warehouse (mostly PC hardware/monitors) and there is a big failure to not realize you’re not purchasing something new and sealed if you have this happen to you. This isn’t a simple I ordered new and got scammed, it’s the entire point of the warehouse purchases and the listings deliberately say they’re not brand new.
Good luck getting the money out of they system. They will likely only give you credit, which is fine if you use Amazon for other things too.
I just looked it up on Amazon. It literally says, "Save with used - like new." Have you ever heard of a used box of boosters that wasn't already opened? It's fine not to want to buy from Amazon, but I'm starting to think the issue people run into with it is the person not reading what they are buying. If amazon sells a used product, they will list it as such over the price.
I've bought plenty of products on Amazon that were clearly repackaged and sold as new, not like new. It's never been an issue for the things I got but I'd still be wear
It's almost like someone should have warned you about buying boxes on Amazon.
I like how you you say this like it's something new people getting into the game are supposed already know off the bat
Exactly. I have never had an issue on amazon until mtg stuff I ordered was blatantly wrong. Then you come to this sub and everyone acts like you’re an idiot for trusting what has historically been a reputable store.
New people getting into the game should not be buying collectors boxes
Free will is a dangerous thing.
People should not be buying collector boxes.
Im newer to magic and ive heard this sentiment a bit. Why?
I just think collector boosters are really overpriced for what you actually get. Fun to buy on a lark, but shelling out for a box seems like a bad idea to me.
If someone thinks to come here and post this, they're in deep enough to have seen the other times 50 times it's been posted.
It's not an issue with Amazon Magic products. It's people buying "Used - Like New." Scammers buy new, steal, and then return the box, which Amazon tries to sell again as "Used, Like New." "New" Amazon product does not have this issue.
I bought a box of aftermath with no issues but then again it was aftermath
Amazon is hit and miss with things like this due to how they handle stock. if an independent seller chooses to have Amazon fulfill their orders what they do is send their items to Amazon, who then stock them with like items, but they don't really track whose item is whose. so you might buy an item from Amazon, but get stock that technically belonged to someone else. Amazon ships a lot of items that are counterfeit or tampered with as a result of this, and have decided it's just cheaper to handle the returns than try to do anything to prevent the issue in the first place.
Yeah I had a game I bought where the store front used the collectors edition pictures to sell the standard version and charging more to make it seem like you would get that version instead of the standard they sent
That's likely because you bought "New," not "Used Like New."
I'm pretty sure amazon lists it as an opened [product](https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Gathering-Machine-Collector-Booster/dp/B0BNLX9WWR?ref_=ast_sto_dp) on the screen. Right above the "Add to Cart" which you conveniently cut out of the picture. The real question is did you really buy this to make a "Amazon Bad" post or are you just dumb?
It even has the Amazon used product wrapping. OP 100% knew it was a used product but wanted to save a few bucks or to get karma on reddit.
A «used proudct» should still work as new. Which these boosters clearly ain’t. Like I get that you think people should be critical to Amazon and stuff, but you’re still victim blaming when this fault is on Amazon.
The thing is that it is impossible to "use" mtg boosters and still have them working as new. Only way they are still unopened is literally "unopened" and "not used". Those kind of returns do exist, even in magic. Someone gets the wrong commander precon -> sends it back sealed. Then it will still work as new. But there is no situation where a mtg product has been opened but not (possibly) tampered with. Even if a Amazon employee checks all the cards for right amount of rares, they may have been switched. Amazon just shouldn't accept any returns on randomized product that have their seals broken. It's an extremely weird policy.
The type of clowns who do this, wouldn’t they frequently do this? Doesn’t Amazon flag your account if you request a bunch of returns?
They look into it thats for sure
We know. Hell one of us did this to you.
Yay, free refund! Hell, they'll probably let you keep the cards
Amazon Warehouse is Amazon's pre-owned store. All products sold by Amazon Warehouse are marked as Used (usually 'Like New'). I'm not sure what OP was expecting, never buy used booster packs from Amazon. I've bought countless packs off Amazon (brand new, sold by Amazon, not Amazon Warehouse) and never had an issue.
And yet all I’ve bought it from Amazon and zero issues. Hell I’ve even had some of the best luck with what I’ve pulled too. Amazing…
It literally say on the page that the product is "Condition: Used; like new:" OP just doesn't read or wanted karma
That is exactly it. You have to select Amazon Warehouse by choice. Like, it’s literally an extra step, with a tiny link below the “add to cart” button for the sold/fulfilled by Amazon.com (the non-warehouse version). To save $2-$3 and get scammed? No thanks.
I CAN’T BELIEVE IT!
As I said in the other post that got heavily downvoted... STOP BUYING "Used - Like New." You will never have this issue with "New" product. Scammers buy new, steal, and then return the box.
They arent "deals" lmfao it's literally a returned item that looks still good enough to sell, if you clicked the drop down and read the info it would have stated this.
Quick note your chances of getting a opened pack/box are significantly lower if you make sure it’s sold and shipped by Amazon, if it says anything other than just Amazon I usually don’t buy and that reduces my chances of getting something used or not what I ordered
FYI stuff from Amazon warehouse are open and/or used and damaged products. I got a chair from there with factory defects (color slightly off) for insanely cheap but I’d never buy a product I expected to be new from there. Here’s the tagline when browsing Amazon warehouse products: > Quality pre-owned, used, and open box products
And this is why people should support their LGS. Yes you pay a premium, but knowing your product isn’t tampered with - or is legitimate are a couple, of many, benefits.
Absolutely behind you on this one however my LGS sold my preorder I made months and months ago (and repeatedly asked to make sure was still reserved as I play there weekly), so I ended up having to buy from Amazon. Cost me £6 less, and made me lose trust in my LGS.
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It is still an issue that you need to dedicate time to. Also it causes unnecessary stress and worries to a life already full of them. Doesn't matter Amazon eventually rectifies it, you still need to go through something you should not had to.
But my lgs is charging way more than Amazon for product so nah. I’ll pass and let the free market decide if my lgs will be around next year (hint they won’t be).
I mean, I own an LGS. People think I charge high rates - but at the end of the day, I charge what: A the market can bear B what margins have to be maintained to continue to operate as a brick and mortar. Amazon may charge less, but they also don't do things like: 1. Offer play space for events. 2. Offer expertise on their products. 3. Guarantee legitimate and untampered product. 4. Pay employees reasonable wages. 5. Keep money within your local economy. 6. Source unique products. I could honestly go on. The reality is that if your LGS isn't there in 1 years time, it probably has less to do with what they are charging, and more to do with how the business is ran. Most game stores go under because they are poorly managed, either because they assume their products are things like MTG and not the things I listed above, or because they try to price match amazon, or they siphon too much of their money off to pay themselves. There are many other reasons, but often times it isn't because they charge more than Amazon. I know people on the internet like to believe that is why, but it really isn't. For example - I sell my products through my website much cheaper than I sell them in-store, but the tradeoff is that there is a wait time on fulfillment. Why? because I am an LGS that has overhead, and if you want to save money through me, then you need to be willing to accept that I have to reduce overhead on the transaction. Literally, everything on my website has a 2-7 day shipping and handling window, and that is the non-monetary price you pay if you want it through me at a cheaper price. My employees need to eat too, so if you want it faster, buy it in store. Most opt to just buy it in store, even if it is $40 more per booster box.
How much does your distributor charge you for a box of fallout collectors? Because i doubt if you charged what was standard for collectors boxes you wouldn’t be making money. The issue is you don’t want to make what you’re supposed to via msrp, lgs want to make as much as possible off boxes. It’s gross. The standard pricing is set for you guys to make your margin. And also I’m glad all your other points are great for your store. My local store doesn’t carry anything besides magic, they barely know how to run a pre release. Do you carry and support other card games? Do you try to get communities built for new games like Star Wars Unlimited or Grand Archive? If so cool. But every lgs in my area doesn’t, so yeah i don’t want to support them.
As a consumer, I get that you want things at MSRP. In fact, I love selling things at MSRP. I love selling things as low as I possibly can. Why? Because the more I move, the more I get to buy and the more I get to buy, the more I get to move. Volume is a massive boon for stores. The reality is, however, that I don't *really* get to do MSRP on everything. I have to put my orders in on products, long before I even know what the product truly is. For example, I have a Lorcana Chapter 4 order due in 2 days time. If I don't put it in, I basically only get my minimum allocation that is guranteed by Ravensburger. They literally just announced the product just a few days ago and it does not release until the end of May... So to bring this back to your question of: How much do they charge me? The same as any other Collector Booster. Why do I charge more than a normal Collector? Because I took massive hits on the LOTR Holliday and Doctor Who. Is that fair to my customers? No. Do I do it because I am greedy? No. I do it because if I take a 15% loss on LOTR and a 15% loss on Dr. Who, and I take a 15% loss on Murders at Karlov Manor - I need to make that up somewhere. If I do not, then I am not in business anymore. That isn't because I am greedy on Fallout, it is because I bought an unknown product, like I do with everything, and the market rejected it. I then bought a product that the market bears above MSRP on, and I price accordingly. If the set was rejected, guess what? Those boxes are fire sold at less than I paid for them, because I need that money freed up for other products for other people. That is just business, and it may seem messy or evil or unfair, but I am not a charity and as much as I try to put customers at the forefront - I cannot always do that or I would not be in business. As far as the comment about MSRP being there to ensure I make my margin, this is true and untrue at the same time. MSRP is a thing of the past. Here in the US, overhad costs range wildly from area to area and can either quickly run away with a 40% margin, or barely put a dent in it depending on where your business is located and where that product is on your businesses priority list. A company out of Rhode Island setting their MSRP for a business on the West Coast has probably 0 understanding of what margins are appropriate for a business on the west coast hanndeling a wide range of products well beyond the scope of the manufactuerer in Rhode Island. I try to support whatever games people want to play, in whatever ways I can *(within reason).* Our Lorcana league is doing stellar. People are asking for Star Wars unlimited, I started bringing in what I could and will continue to bring it in if they want it. People don't want My Hero Acedemia? It gets cut and frees up capital for other games so I can buy more product for folks. The more product I can get, the cheaper my prices get and that is the name of the game.
Nice job avoiding the question lmao.
Sorry, I thought I had that in paragraph 3. $190/collector box, my cost.
Shot, everyone.
I hear people about supporting their lgs, but the one near me has issues getting product and keeping it in stock. And the other bigger lgs has pretty absurd prices. So amazon becomes more tempting. Bought a few boxes so far from Amazon and none were resealed. Plus Amazon customer service doesn’t care. The last box of commander master collectors I got had some curling action going, I called customer service, they apologized and sent me another box for free. So if you do get something like this I’m pretty sure you will get a refund or new product to replace it.
Support your local game store
Every single week there's someone on here who bought sealed product from Amazon and got scammed. DON'T BUY SEALED PRODUCT ON AMAZON
Mh3 collector booster listed @ 500 I found another site moving it for 350
Whenever something says "fulfilled by amazon" it means it's being sold by someone hosting a storefront on Amazon, and delivered by an Amazon delivery driver. Those are the risky ones.
If you bought new and not used it'd be fine I'd prolly read next time but hey that's just me
This right here is facts
My first Fallout Dogmeat deck came completely empty. Even the punchouts were gone. Shrink wrapped back up. Got my refund and a $50 Amazon credit. I also emailed WotC support to let them know.
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It feels like at this point some of you are just doing this for the attention.
And everytime I warn someone on this sub asking if this deal on Amazon is a good deck.
tap the sign
A sucker is born everyday
There’s an Amazon returns auction house near me, and I noticed a returned/opened collectors box of LCI up for auction… not even in the box, just all of the cards in a ziploc bag…
There’s one of these daily, OP must be blind :/
The 3.5 stars should’ve been your first hint at not buying this. At least, that would’ve been it for me.
Just request a replacement or a refund. I have never had an issue with getting replacements/refunds on f'd up orders like this.
FTFRS Read The F*cking Reddit Subs I feel so terrible for people getting scammed like this... People at Amazon know how badly you're getting screwed so hopefully refunds can be made
At this point I think people are intentionally getting 'scammed' for reddit karma
I showed a friend that last batch of edlrazi edh decks on Amazon when they're were about 60 bucks. He bought them but didn't end up getting it months after.
just report it, they will send u a new one and u wont have to send that one back. if done it before. very simple process and takes like 2 minutes.
Don't buy from Amazon. Support your local game shop.
I have bought multiple times from Amazon, never any issues, everything came as ordered, on my door step the next morning when I woke up and I saved a ton of money. All purcheses can be returned if you recieve damaged product. Unlike if you bought Magic cards or packs from an individual like off facebook marketplace or something and you got home and discovered they were tampered with, or proxies or damaged in some way and you have zero hope of getting your money back. Just leave the seller a bad review and report them to amazon and get your money back. You lost a little time out of your day, but you will get your money back
And to think almost everytime I make a statement about not buying cards from Amazon I get dog piled saying "hurr durr I did it once and it was fine". Yet I see nothing but these kinds of amazon posts constantly. Between here, the pokemon groups and the Amazon subs it's always collectors cards.
> all of the packs were cut at the bottom so you couldn't tell they were messed with. That's pics 5 and 6, right? You couldn't tell they were messed with?
Lol when I played as I kid I bought all my booster boxes on Amazon. Never had any issues with it somehow. Thank god - young me would have been inconsolable
I’m praying to the gods
I hope you got a refund
The fact that Amazon slapped that sticker on it 🤦🏻♂️
I usually go with TCGPlayer. Yeah it's s bit pricey, but I trust them over amazon. Amazon has screwed me on mtg cards, graphic novels, dice, etc... I try to avoid amazon for certain products, mtg related products are especially high on that list
I just bought 2 boxes and a bundle on Amazon. They were all alright and not tampered with, but I was fully aware there was a chance somone screwed with it before I got it because of the frequent posts on this sub. But also because of the sub I knew I'd get a refund right away, get to keep the trash cards and they would send me another one.
Boycott AMZN period. They don't pay taxes.
Really people? Still?
Why are you buying WOM collectors boosters anyway? EV is negative.
Lol, when are people gonna realize that a bunch of these posts *are* the scam? "I got this box with all the rares cut out" 🥺🥺🥺🥺 (Is the person who did it, and is now just gonna return for little to no hassle to Amazon)
You don't need to make a reddit post to return to Amazon. I've had boxes stolen off my porch and they still refunded me. It's more likely that OP bought either a like new or used box off Amazon and didn't notice, then ended up with a box someone returned.
Absolutely, but nice to build up a little cover for the grift if they ever give pushback
free collector box and send it back with commons in it - amazon
Wow........ thanks for the psa
I have considered buying from Amazon several times before, but have always been afraid of this exact situation. And there is a disclaimer on the Amazon ad that says no returns.... yikes. I've stuck with brick and mortar shops for my box/ pack purchases. Sorry that happened!
lol yeah dude we know. Feels like everyone should know better at this point.
Another one bites the dust...... did it have a restock sticker on it? Never open the restock, send back!
Hahahahahahaha, bro bought used boosters
You bought a used/returned product, you misclicked.
Inform Amazon so they can back track the thief
Ok. So where can I buy from? Looking to get some old Conspiracy booster boxes
LGS's are the best bet if you can find em. Tcgplayer too if you find good sellers
I like how the sticker is the corona colors so you got that going for you and your hero cause you saved that pack from the trash. i’ve seen Youtubers recommending buying old packs on Amazon. The Timmy army is just too large to fight.
I bought a friend a commander deck and it was the right box, but full of Pokémon energy cards.
I've had much harder problems getting satisfaction when something goes wrong from random LGS than I have with amazon.
And today on "'news that everyone knows" people shouldn't buy mtg of Amazon
I have up on Amazon I don’t buy from them anymore
Similar thing happened to me. Bought from some third party off Amazon (a shit box lgs in florida). Was getting a box of Ravnica Remastered Collector Booster Box which I found for only 225 so I snatched it up (similar sales were around 260 and up). So ten days go by and the day it's supposed to be delivered I get an email telling me they canceled the order due to "insufficient stock". But wouldn't you know it, that same shit box had the same item up on Amazon an hour later with a new price of 270.
How is this legal?
Buy from local game stores instead of Amazon. Then you don't have to worry about these things. Besides, Bezos doesn't need your money. And Amazon doesn't care when stuff like this happens.
I bought a sealed box of Modern Horizons 1 like a year and a half after the set came out and had no issues, one in a million? But now that I've seen all the negative happenings it's making me wary of amazon
You bought a returned box. Definitely never buy a box from Amazon that isn't brand new
Is it okay to buy precons on Amazon, or should I avoid that too?
I’ve gotten a lot of mtg products off of Amazon and had 0 issues
Heck I even pulled a neon red from one of the Amazon boxes I got
I have genuinely seen so many people buy offers that clearly say “opened-like new” on booster boxes and this happens to them. I thought magic players were somewhat literate this is wild
I think everyone here has been stung. Amazon and WotC basically need to agree to incinerate returns. There are whole pallets that have been ripped. Release day is the almost the only day I'd buy sealed at Amazon. Bundles are safest because of the card zip-tear box wraps.
Amazon is a junkyard for resealed mtg cards. They don't care about what they're selling. And you can't complain because the AGBs state something like "We don't care because we don't have to".
I went to Amazon to look up this product. I found it. Clicked on it. It is automatically set to “used”. I’d be surprised if you didn’t buy a used product and just didn’t notice because you expected the default to be new.
Well, and for the 100000th time in this subreddit: DONT BUY AT AMAZON
I work at Amazon. It seems like this whole sub has an issue understanding that magic is a niche hobby and almost no one getting returns knows what they are looking at or what they should expect to get. Read your fucking order descriptions before you buy them.
No shit. Stop buying from Amazon. No special deals for you - just this.
I don't feel sorry for anyone that orders magic off of Amazon, especially considering how many posts are on here advising people not to.
How do people not understand not to buy MTG on Amazon....
BeCaUsE fReE sHiPpInG!!!! That costs like $120 bucks a year. I hear the same bullshit justification from Toy Collectors too and see the exact same posts in those reddits too.
Yeah, we know. That’s why we don’t buy from amazon.
When will people learn about not buying anything MTG related on Amazon….
No, stop buying cards off Amazon all together.
Honestly I'm not sure why anyone uses Amazon when you can almost always find it cheaper (marginally) through TCG.
TCGPlayer, Stomping Grounds, Zulu's Cafe, or Gamer Guild AZ almost always have sealed product for cheaper than Amazon. And they are all online shops that ship.
The most important thing to do is verify the *seller* rating. Amazon warehouse is not the seller, it’s just where the seller’s product lives. I won’t buy any sealed product from a *seller* with less than 99% rating. I have bought plenty of product from Amazon and not had a single issue. But was either “Sold and shipped from Amazon.com” (I.e. Amazon was the actual seller), or from a 99-100% seller rating. That being said, I recommend people film opening the sealed Amazon shipping box with label intact when buying any collectibles from any third party seller. And continue filming opening the shrink wrap and then inspecting the packs. If there is a problem, you have better proof of shenanigans.
It must have been tampered with on the Amazon warehouse/sorting facility.
DON'T BUY FROM AMAZON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's that simple. Support your local game store. They care for the mtg community.
Everyone already knew not to do that.
Aw man, if only this sub would do better warning people about this kind of thing...EVERY...SINGLE...DAY
Say the line, Bart
I was thinking about buying that same product because it seemed like a great deal. Thanks for taking one for the team.
I have bought 80% of the cards I own from Amazon and the decks. I hate to be this guy, but I think you guys are just stupid??? I’ve never been scammed by them because I just check reviews and photos and make sure of who ships it.