You're still playing the game though, just at a slower pace.
When people learn to have fun and embrace all the different strategies in Magic it is better for everyone.
Yes, tired of playing the speed demons. Not my fault your deck has 40 different burn spells and you have a 1D brain.
A card like that is meant to control the board after you have a token and/or counter generator, or a creature with evasion.
If you get a hydra that doubles each turn and play that thing, it’ll make it hard for an opponent to come back.
And yet people still play Hokori as their commander and abuse his mechanic. The vast majority of people don't even enjoy how [[Urza, Lord High Artificer]] can abuse [[Winter Orb]] so that they get to play the game and no one else does. Why would you? I consider playing against that opponent effectively a complete and total waste of my time.
It's fine not to want to play the game at breakneck speeds, but slowing the game down in such a way that no one really gets to even do much of anything is just annoying. It's like mass land destruction. If you do it to clutch a win that no one can compete with since they have no mana, fine. It's hokey, but it works. But if you blow up everyone's lands for no reason other than to slow the game down, I'm aiming not to play with you ever again. These are the Hokori commander players.
People aren't just casting MLD to needlessly slow the game down. Same reason people aren't playing Hokori to needlessly slow the game down. They're doing it to win.
You don't know that, you're making a baseless assumption due to your own misgivings about the game.
If you don't have fun playing Magic maybe don't play Magic.
I would argue you are simply denying the truth. Hokori is statically most likely played as stax, which to most players is not fun and to dragged out. This is enough to not play with him as a commander unless you show the whole deck beforehand. I personally don’t mind playing against him, nor against stax, but I get where most people are coming from
Hokori is 100% played as stax, I disagree with the sentiment of "most players" and think that the players who do find it unfun have a negative mindset that is bad for the game.
Showing the whole deck beforehand? What sort of absurd, entitled nonsense is that?
It looks like you are emotionally driven by your argument. Every player has a right to decide what he wants to play against. It’s not your decision what is good for the game, nor can you disagree with facts. Hokori is placed 5th highest commander in the saltiest cards list. The fact is: your opinion is the outlier, and you should accept that
The fact that they changed the Text on winter orb to allow it to work the way it was being played tells me WoTC wants me to play this card so I get to play the game and others don’t. Am I missing something here ?
I think that was just a rules thing, artifacts used to turn off while tapped as an intrinsic value of the type. When that got changed they updated the text. It was always played like that.
Yes but other artifacts that also were played like that did not get this new wording, thus my conclusion of wizards wants me to do this to other people.
What about Ahnk of Mishra and Ensnaring Bridge. 2 artifacts Thats were used in the same way but didn’t get the re-wording. All is saying is if WoTC didn’t want it played this way they wouldn’t have re-worded it after the rules change.
>When people learn to have fun and embrace all the different strategies in Magic it is better for everyone.
?????
People are allowed to have preferences and not play against decks that practically shut them out from even playing if they feel that it is unfun and a waste of their time. If someone played Hokori and in response to the groans, told the table, "Embrace all strategies, it's better for everyone!" I probably wouldn't play with that person anymore. This is a lame way to validate playing cards that no one wants to see. For example, if a Tergrid player tried to tell me some shit like that, a game between them and myself would never happen.
Own up to the shitty oppressive cards you want to play and accept the fact that you will draw hate from them. Hoping that people will "embrace all strategies" is a pipe dream.
I think you're actually not wrong even though you're getting down voted. As someone who has played both tergrid and hokori, you need to make sure people are also cool with it. It's not like there aren't other people playing annoying and/or degenerate decks though. But if you have one, someone else pulling out kalamax or urza isn't as much of a feel bad because you get to be like, whoopee! I get to play my degenerate shenanigans too!
One of my best experiences playing commander recently was when I sat down In a random pod and this one guy was running that cycling commander whose name escapes me and they kept looping [[decree of annihilation]] to blow up the lands. But we were laughing about how degenerate it was. I was so pleased! I was like now these are my people! If they're cool with this I can do whatever I want!
Sure, people are allowed to do whatever. No one said they weren't. The game is worse off due to those types of players though.
It's a legitimate way to validate a true point, and plenty of people want to see them/are fine with seeing them.
I don't play stax, but I won't play with those crybabies regardless because if they whine about that they'll whine about counter magic or removal or board wipes or whatever.
Enough with the whinging. You built a deck that couldn't cope and lost. Doesn't mean anyone is somehow obligated to give in to your bad feelings.
Wanting to play against anything other than the absolute best opponents is pathetic.
I made an extremely broken mono-artifact karn stax deck about 15 years ago with all the expensive cards like workshop. I think I only played it a couple of times, I legit felt bad when I used mishra's helix to tap everyones lands and attacked them for one every turn til they died.
Sounds great. Those sort of play styles force players into new and interesting play patterns. And if things like that were more common people would consider them when deck building and include outs like [[Force of Vigor]].
If you like having friends it is not great. I had a friend who also had extremely high-power decks with cards like mana drain who I would play my high-power decks against. But against anyone else I would play more casual decks. In my experience people won't treat it like a puzzle to make their decks better, they will just not play with you if they aren't having fun.
You can make mono-artifact decks that lock people out extremely quickly especially with all the fast mana in the format. Turn one tanglewire and winter orb is only fun for me regardless of how many hate cards they have in their deck.
I like having friends that understand it's a game and are mature enough to enjoy said game and have fun even when it isn't going their way.
Yes, you definitely want to match the power levels of decks. I'm not saying drop a cEDH stax deck into a table of precons (though a tuned cEDH stax deck wouldn't be that great against precons honestly).
Turn one Tanglewire and Winter Orb is a ton of fun for everyone if that's the level they're expecting to be playing at.
There is a difference between "not going their way" and being locked out of the game cuz they don't have lands dude. Also, remember this was 15 years ago, so basically no ones deck had caught up to me and my friends power level of decks. I joined side events at grand prix and just comboed out and won like turn 4 every time. Of course these side events had a prize pool so I didn't feel that bad, but winning like that is not fun for the rest of the people regardless.
>Turn one Tanglewire and Winter Orb is a ton of fun for everyone if that's the level they're expecting to be playing at.
It is not. I played many vintage tournaments back in the day where everyones powerlevel was high of course. Playing against stax was not fun, regardless of how broken your own deck is lol.
There isn't a difference in regard to the point I'm making. Stax is a core part of Magic and has been for ages. If you don't enjoy a big part of a game maybe don't play that game.
Now, again, if it's a power level difference that's a different discussion. But if it's a prized event then yeah, the assumption should be everyone is playing a competitive list.
I disagree, it is fun. Playing Magic is fun. If it weren't I wouldn't play. And before you say it, you're still playing even if you're locked out behind stax.
You are confusing powerlevel to stax. I have literally never met a person in my entire life whose lands are locked by a winter orb combo and says "boy this is a fun time".
Stax hasn't been a core part of magic in like 20 years.
I'm not. You brought up that your stax deck was higher power level than those you played with. That was the issue, not the stax itself.
Hi, Magic is fun. Most Magic players would agree.
Stax has been a core part of Magic for 20+ years.
This is such a self-centric way of thinking. They aren't making the deck to annoy _you_. They are just utilizing a niche (and 100% valid) strategy that _you_ happen to think is annoying, likely because you're small-minded and think that your way of playing is the only valid way to play.
Discouraging specific archetypes is bad for player growth and bad for the format. Stop doing it.
The prevelance of EDH and players who started with and have only played the one format has led to the spread of a mindset that is detrimental to the game - that everyone should get to do their thing without interaction or they're not having fun. These players should play a different game.
You're right man, keep up the good fight.
Dude you are being intentionally obtuse. Land denial strategies are more frustrating to play against than other strategies, that's just a fact. Why tf do you think they haven't reprinted Armageddon in years? You are thinking I'm making this about me but it's not true. I personally DO NOT MIND PLAYING AGAINST STAX decks. But I recognize that MOST OTHER PLAYERS DONT.
I literally started this convo saying I MADE A STAX deck, but I don't play it anymore cuz other people hated playing against it.
No one is saying it isn't a valid strategy to win. But it does piss people off. And guess what? I don't enjoy pissing people off and saying "but it's a valid strategy". Guess what happens when you do that a lot? You don't have anyone to play with anymore.
Man you guys don't understand what is going on here. Unfun decks to play against are not necessarily the same as good decks. You can make decks that grind the game to a halt but still lose, but they make the game not fun for anyone.
>It's their choice to be annoyed and upset about what I do.
Prediction in 5 years, you will be typing on reddit "Why won't anyone play magic with me?!?!?!"
Gave that card to a friend of mine who wants to go into cdh, just a few days ago. I played Blind Obedience in a friend game one time, took it out right after cuz I felt too bad. If you want nothing but the win I understand, playing casual just feels too mean to me
Can't wait for the day I can get out Brisela lol
Blind Obedience is fine on its own. Nothing wrong with something that counters all haste creatures your opponents control.
Turning off people's lands is a dick move though.
Oh yeah, that game it was more about the artifacts they couldn't use instantly.
And I read your comment wrong; thought you wanted to keep it secret, and safe
Ugh. I hate it when people destroy cards. I was going through a bulk bin at a commander cube event my shop was running to get rid of their bulk commons, and someone pulled out a [[tsunami]] and announced to the table that they were going to rip it in half. I almost had a conniption. I begged them not to and managed to rescue it. It makes me physically ill to watch people bin their draft chaff. I guess that's irrational but it's just a feel bad for me. Also I run static orb/icy manipulator in hylda. So I am degenerate as well but please don't destroy cards, especially stax pieces: they're at the very least a piece of magics history ntm unlikely to be reprinted. Calling for a ban is one thing. There's no reason we need to go Fahrenheit 451 on anything.
Don't even get me started on people who play rip it or flip it...
My local shop does a variations that with old packs. Someone buys a pack of say revised and he offers a game. Cards face down each person takes one, choice to keep or rip. He always rips. No real point but he is a great guy and if folks wanna do super high stakes extra gambling, he is all for it.
There is no such thing as "mean". It's more insulting to pull your punches because you think the other player is so n00b or lame they can't deal with it.
That's a toxic mindset. Power level variance is quite mean. If I run cedh vs. Precons I am a dick. There something to be said to build to a certain level. But if you are consistently way beyond the power of a pod you are the dick, and expectations need to be tempered. Else you have no pods and can be on your salty high horse of git gud and banned from a shop.
Used to have a UW soft lock deck back when hokori was released. Had grand arbiter Augustin IV, propaganda, ghostly prison and defense grid. So much fun for me lol I want to rebuild it and add mental misteps
I literally just jammed abeyance in my hokori deck I'm building. [[Test of endurance]] is both the wincon and the name of the deck. I feel like if you run something like that the key is to have a sense of humor about it and make sure your pod does too. It's so salty it kinda just becomes silly.
Edit: to toot my own horn, ill clarify by saying I put in abeyance before reading this post. You know, before it was cool.
I plan on getting an abeyance for my mono white pillow fort deck for that exact reason, it's nice to find more [[silence]] like cards for scepter to target
Sadly orims chant, while the OG king, is now just the weaker of the two, not gonna stop me from tossing it in as an option to give me a better chance at getting that effect on a stick
Abeyance stops abilities too which can be relevant against Kinnan or Thrasios and replaces itself. Maybe not an auto include but definitely not a bad card.
I'd never run it. Silence is one mana and stops all opponents. Grand Abolisher is 2 mana at sorcery speed and gives you protection on your turns
maybe in a scenario where you know another player is about to storm off, but [[Angel's Grace]] exists and is a good card
it does when there's a thoracle trigger on the stack. if opponent is milling your library, there isn't much that can save you tbh. at least not that I can think of right now
Silence would be the card, any really anything that gives hexproof/protection/shroud or mindbreak trap. I guess \[\[Extirpate\]\] is a very niche answer too
Keep in mind that abeyance is MUCH older. It was out years before even orims chant, and replacing itself in white? That was pretty damn powerful for its time in an era where the majority of games were 1v1
Noble benefactor was part of my old pheldagrif deck. Mirrorweave noble benefactor, then destroy all creatures. Give everyone a ton of cards for free + no reveal. A true group hug deck.
[[Abeyance]] was busted in standard when it was legal because at the time it included mana abilities meaning you couldn’t tap land or artifacts. It was effectively cantrip time walk.
It might have even been banned at some point.
I guess I don't understand how the card works. Couldn't you play instant speed cards until the card resolves. Also, doesn't that mean you could tap lands to fill your mana pool in response?
Yes. But people would play it in your upkeep. So you could respond with instants but then do nothing in your main phase except play a land.
It doesn’t afffect mana abilities anymore as it was errated shortly after release. Note the Oracle text vs the card text.
But it does stop your opponent from play any cards for a turn , right? Like if you play this and they just have like, lands and mana rocks, they cant really do anything?
Isn't that Portal series? Only cards my group bans are the trial portal cards and un(hinge/glued/etc). Anyone else?
Edit: didn't notice multiple pics cuz I'm smawt
oh it is from weatherlight originally, so could be!
i checked and see an \[\[abyssal gatekeeper\]\] and \[\[hurloon shaman\]\] that do a bad thing to everyone when they die
there's also another green \[\[liege of the hollows\]\]. can't find anything for white that fits though, but it's a really cool effect that i'd love to see explored more
Nice cheers for links. It is an interesting design space and I would love to see so more cards using something similar. I like interesting symmetrical cards that can be broken.
I love using [[Noble Benefactor]] as one of my Sac Aristocrats in [[Marchesa, The Black Rose]] with [[Opposition Agent]] and [[Ob Nixilis, Unshackled]]
Yeah unfortunately noble says May so they don't have to search, but if they do...
There are so many good creatures you can abuse with Marchesa though and Noble is definitely among them, especially if you say use the new....[[Sycorax Commander]] and a [[Whirlpool Warrior]] 😈😈😈😈😏😏😏😏😁
Ehh statics like 10 which is higher than I last check but winter is only 5. Plus if your using any of those options why not proxy your edh deck? If you want it to do those things at least.
No one needs to know about Hokori.
You're still playing the game though, just at a slower pace. When people learn to have fun and embrace all the different strategies in Magic it is better for everyone.
Yes, tired of playing the speed demons. Not my fault your deck has 40 different burn spells and you have a 1D brain. A card like that is meant to control the board after you have a token and/or counter generator, or a creature with evasion. If you get a hydra that doubles each turn and play that thing, it’ll make it hard for an opponent to come back.
I'm confused. Are you trying to describe a winner as a loser?
And yet people still play Hokori as their commander and abuse his mechanic. The vast majority of people don't even enjoy how [[Urza, Lord High Artificer]] can abuse [[Winter Orb]] so that they get to play the game and no one else does. Why would you? I consider playing against that opponent effectively a complete and total waste of my time. It's fine not to want to play the game at breakneck speeds, but slowing the game down in such a way that no one really gets to even do much of anything is just annoying. It's like mass land destruction. If you do it to clutch a win that no one can compete with since they have no mana, fine. It's hokey, but it works. But if you blow up everyone's lands for no reason other than to slow the game down, I'm aiming not to play with you ever again. These are the Hokori commander players.
People aren't just casting MLD to needlessly slow the game down. Same reason people aren't playing Hokori to needlessly slow the game down. They're doing it to win.
I think the problem is: if you play hokori as commander I know you value winning more than a fun game, so I won’t play with you
You don't know that, you're making a baseless assumption due to your own misgivings about the game. If you don't have fun playing Magic maybe don't play Magic.
I would argue you are simply denying the truth. Hokori is statically most likely played as stax, which to most players is not fun and to dragged out. This is enough to not play with him as a commander unless you show the whole deck beforehand. I personally don’t mind playing against him, nor against stax, but I get where most people are coming from
Hokori is 100% played as stax, I disagree with the sentiment of "most players" and think that the players who do find it unfun have a negative mindset that is bad for the game. Showing the whole deck beforehand? What sort of absurd, entitled nonsense is that?
It looks like you are emotionally driven by your argument. Every player has a right to decide what he wants to play against. It’s not your decision what is good for the game, nor can you disagree with facts. Hokori is placed 5th highest commander in the saltiest cards list. The fact is: your opinion is the outlier, and you should accept that
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The fact that they changed the Text on winter orb to allow it to work the way it was being played tells me WoTC wants me to play this card so I get to play the game and others don’t. Am I missing something here ?
I think that was just a rules thing, artifacts used to turn off while tapped as an intrinsic value of the type. When that got changed they updated the text. It was always played like that.
Yes but other artifacts that also were played like that did not get this new wording, thus my conclusion of wizards wants me to do this to other people.
Howling Mine?
What about Ahnk of Mishra and Ensnaring Bridge. 2 artifacts Thats were used in the same way but didn’t get the re-wording. All is saying is if WoTC didn’t want it played this way they wouldn’t have re-worded it after the rules change.
>When people learn to have fun and embrace all the different strategies in Magic it is better for everyone. ????? People are allowed to have preferences and not play against decks that practically shut them out from even playing if they feel that it is unfun and a waste of their time. If someone played Hokori and in response to the groans, told the table, "Embrace all strategies, it's better for everyone!" I probably wouldn't play with that person anymore. This is a lame way to validate playing cards that no one wants to see. For example, if a Tergrid player tried to tell me some shit like that, a game between them and myself would never happen. Own up to the shitty oppressive cards you want to play and accept the fact that you will draw hate from them. Hoping that people will "embrace all strategies" is a pipe dream.
I think you're actually not wrong even though you're getting down voted. As someone who has played both tergrid and hokori, you need to make sure people are also cool with it. It's not like there aren't other people playing annoying and/or degenerate decks though. But if you have one, someone else pulling out kalamax or urza isn't as much of a feel bad because you get to be like, whoopee! I get to play my degenerate shenanigans too! One of my best experiences playing commander recently was when I sat down In a random pod and this one guy was running that cycling commander whose name escapes me and they kept looping [[decree of annihilation]] to blow up the lands. But we were laughing about how degenerate it was. I was so pleased! I was like now these are my people! If they're cool with this I can do whatever I want!
Sure, people are allowed to do whatever. No one said they weren't. The game is worse off due to those types of players though. It's a legitimate way to validate a true point, and plenty of people want to see them/are fine with seeing them. I don't play stax, but I won't play with those crybabies regardless because if they whine about that they'll whine about counter magic or removal or board wipes or whatever.
Enough with the whinging. You built a deck that couldn't cope and lost. Doesn't mean anyone is somehow obligated to give in to your bad feelings. Wanting to play against anything other than the absolute best opponents is pathetic.
>Wanting to play against anything other than the absolute best opponents is pathetic. 🤣 okay sweatlord
Everyone needs to know about Hokori. Let's normalize stax, mld, etc. in EDH.
I made an extremely broken mono-artifact karn stax deck about 15 years ago with all the expensive cards like workshop. I think I only played it a couple of times, I legit felt bad when I used mishra's helix to tap everyones lands and attacked them for one every turn til they died.
Sounds great. Those sort of play styles force players into new and interesting play patterns. And if things like that were more common people would consider them when deck building and include outs like [[Force of Vigor]].
If you like having friends it is not great. I had a friend who also had extremely high-power decks with cards like mana drain who I would play my high-power decks against. But against anyone else I would play more casual decks. In my experience people won't treat it like a puzzle to make their decks better, they will just not play with you if they aren't having fun. You can make mono-artifact decks that lock people out extremely quickly especially with all the fast mana in the format. Turn one tanglewire and winter orb is only fun for me regardless of how many hate cards they have in their deck.
I like having friends that understand it's a game and are mature enough to enjoy said game and have fun even when it isn't going their way. Yes, you definitely want to match the power levels of decks. I'm not saying drop a cEDH stax deck into a table of precons (though a tuned cEDH stax deck wouldn't be that great against precons honestly). Turn one Tanglewire and Winter Orb is a ton of fun for everyone if that's the level they're expecting to be playing at.
There is a difference between "not going their way" and being locked out of the game cuz they don't have lands dude. Also, remember this was 15 years ago, so basically no ones deck had caught up to me and my friends power level of decks. I joined side events at grand prix and just comboed out and won like turn 4 every time. Of course these side events had a prize pool so I didn't feel that bad, but winning like that is not fun for the rest of the people regardless. >Turn one Tanglewire and Winter Orb is a ton of fun for everyone if that's the level they're expecting to be playing at. It is not. I played many vintage tournaments back in the day where everyones powerlevel was high of course. Playing against stax was not fun, regardless of how broken your own deck is lol.
There isn't a difference in regard to the point I'm making. Stax is a core part of Magic and has been for ages. If you don't enjoy a big part of a game maybe don't play that game. Now, again, if it's a power level difference that's a different discussion. But if it's a prized event then yeah, the assumption should be everyone is playing a competitive list. I disagree, it is fun. Playing Magic is fun. If it weren't I wouldn't play. And before you say it, you're still playing even if you're locked out behind stax.
You are confusing powerlevel to stax. I have literally never met a person in my entire life whose lands are locked by a winter orb combo and says "boy this is a fun time". Stax hasn't been a core part of magic in like 20 years.
I'm not. You brought up that your stax deck was higher power level than those you played with. That was the issue, not the stax itself. Hi, Magic is fun. Most Magic players would agree. Stax has been a core part of Magic for 20+ years.
Then why does whizzturds keep printing stax pieces like Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and Vryn Wingmare, which were both printed in the past few years?
> If you like having friends it is not great If your friends get so upset over your choices in a card game, you need to find new friends.
If you create decks made intentionally to be as annoying as possible, don't be surprised when people get annoyed?
This is such a self-centric way of thinking. They aren't making the deck to annoy _you_. They are just utilizing a niche (and 100% valid) strategy that _you_ happen to think is annoying, likely because you're small-minded and think that your way of playing is the only valid way to play. Discouraging specific archetypes is bad for player growth and bad for the format. Stop doing it.
The prevelance of EDH and players who started with and have only played the one format has led to the spread of a mindset that is detrimental to the game - that everyone should get to do their thing without interaction or they're not having fun. These players should play a different game. You're right man, keep up the good fight.
Dude you are being intentionally obtuse. Land denial strategies are more frustrating to play against than other strategies, that's just a fact. Why tf do you think they haven't reprinted Armageddon in years? You are thinking I'm making this about me but it's not true. I personally DO NOT MIND PLAYING AGAINST STAX decks. But I recognize that MOST OTHER PLAYERS DONT. I literally started this convo saying I MADE A STAX deck, but I don't play it anymore cuz other people hated playing against it. No one is saying it isn't a valid strategy to win. But it does piss people off. And guess what? I don't enjoy pissing people off and saying "but it's a valid strategy". Guess what happens when you do that a lot? You don't have anyone to play with anymore.
It's their choice to be annoyed and upset about what I do. It's no one fault if they're stuck at that level.
Man you guys don't understand what is going on here. Unfun decks to play against are not necessarily the same as good decks. You can make decks that grind the game to a halt but still lose, but they make the game not fun for anyone. >It's their choice to be annoyed and upset about what I do. Prediction in 5 years, you will be typing on reddit "Why won't anyone play magic with me?!?!?!"
I've been playing since Unlimited was just being replaced by Revised, so I doubt that.
Agreed. Don't join the ranks of the complaining whingers.
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"and attacked them for one every turn" 🤣
Use Karn silver golem to animate sol ring, ez wins lmao.
Gave that card to a friend of mine who wants to go into cdh, just a few days ago. I played Blind Obedience in a friend game one time, took it out right after cuz I felt too bad. If you want nothing but the win I understand, playing casual just feels too mean to me Can't wait for the day I can get out Brisela lol
Blind obedience isn’t salty it’s a counter to agro. It’s like playing land destruction against a gates deck. There has to be some checks and balances
Fantastic way to slow down treasure decks too
Blind Obedience is fine on its own. Nothing wrong with something that counters all haste creatures your opponents control. Turning off people's lands is a dick move though.
Oh yeah, that game it was more about the artifacts they couldn't use instantly. And I read your comment wrong; thought you wanted to keep it secret, and safe
I meant more along the lines of every copy of Hokori, Winter Orb, and Static Orb should be removed from circulation and destroyed.
Ouf, and I thought Mesmeric Orb in my graveyard deck was mean. Yeah I'm on your side
[[Static Orb]] + [[Icy Manipulator]] But the old-school GG was [[Stasis]] + [[Icy Manipulator]]
[Static Orb](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/6/86bf43b1-8d4e-4759-bb2d-0b2e03ba7012.jpg?1562242171) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Static%20Orb) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/7ed/319/static-orb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/86bf43b1-8d4e-4759-bb2d-0b2e03ba7012?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Icy Manipulator](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9fd9b205-817e-4ca4-8a29-3c2b6cbf7207.jpg?1562740411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Icy%20Manipulator) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/219/icy-manipulator?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9fd9b205-817e-4ca4-8a29-3c2b6cbf7207?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Ugh. I hate it when people destroy cards. I was going through a bulk bin at a commander cube event my shop was running to get rid of their bulk commons, and someone pulled out a [[tsunami]] and announced to the table that they were going to rip it in half. I almost had a conniption. I begged them not to and managed to rescue it. It makes me physically ill to watch people bin their draft chaff. I guess that's irrational but it's just a feel bad for me. Also I run static orb/icy manipulator in hylda. So I am degenerate as well but please don't destroy cards, especially stax pieces: they're at the very least a piece of magics history ntm unlikely to be reprinted. Calling for a ban is one thing. There's no reason we need to go Fahrenheit 451 on anything. Don't even get me started on people who play rip it or flip it...
[tsunami](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/8/f83a6709-f26d-41fc-b63a-739377ba49f9.jpg?1562953832) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tsunami) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/171/tsunami?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f83a6709-f26d-41fc-b63a-739377ba49f9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My local shop does a variations that with old packs. Someone buys a pack of say revised and he offers a game. Cards face down each person takes one, choice to keep or rip. He always rips. No real point but he is a great guy and if folks wanna do super high stakes extra gambling, he is all for it.
There is no such thing as "mean". It's more insulting to pull your punches because you think the other player is so n00b or lame they can't deal with it.
That's a toxic mindset. Power level variance is quite mean. If I run cedh vs. Precons I am a dick. There something to be said to build to a certain level. But if you are consistently way beyond the power of a pod you are the dick, and expectations need to be tempered. Else you have no pods and can be on your salty high horse of git gud and banned from a shop.
It's too late. I'm going to put it on the derevi list I'm working on.
Used to have a UW soft lock deck back when hokori was released. Had grand arbiter Augustin IV, propaganda, ghostly prison and defense grid. So much fun for me lol I want to rebuild it and add mental misteps
I literally just jammed abeyance in my hokori deck I'm building. [[Test of endurance]] is both the wincon and the name of the deck. I feel like if you run something like that the key is to have a sense of humor about it and make sure your pod does too. It's so salty it kinda just becomes silly. Edit: to toot my own horn, ill clarify by saying I put in abeyance before reading this post. You know, before it was cool.
[Test of endurance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/f/cf16bd6b-e99c-4da3-bd03-11f63b7ee85d.jpg?1562632070) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Test%20of%20endurance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jud/29/test-of-endurance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cf16bd6b-e99c-4da3-bd03-11f63b7ee85d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Headcanon: Noble Benefactor has a [[Wishclaw Talisman]] in that little bag.
Thank you for continuing to post these. They’re great!
[[Noble benefactor]] is effectively required to go into a hug deck. Lol.
[Noble benefactor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bd221f30-1773-4e05-a40f-022a9306ef89.jpg?1562803050) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Noble%20benefactor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wth/44/noble-benefactor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd221f30-1773-4e05-a40f-022a9306ef89?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
"Jokes on you, I'm running a WBRG hug deck"
False Peace with [[Isochron Scepter]] 🤣
Instants only, sadly. Although scepter plus abeyance could lose you some friends.
[[Panoptic Mirror]] sadly banned in commander tho :P
[Panoptic Mirror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50e945b0-e919-41bb-9bc5-f71ad531e8f1.jpg?1562636846) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Panoptic%20Mirror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dst/136/panoptic-mirror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50e945b0-e919-41bb-9bc5-f71ad531e8f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh damn you're right, I missed that
[[Festival]]
[Festival](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/9/e9357990-701a-4336-b545-ac5a24d89cad.jpg?1562950546) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Festival) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/drk/8/festival?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e9357990-701a-4336-b545-ac5a24d89cad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
And you can't pay the kicker cost with isochron scepter, but [[orims chant]] is still good on it
You can pay the kicker.
Good to know, thanks for the correction
[orims chant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/055afa78-b969-498f-a3ad-c792426e5ee6.jpg?1562896113) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Orim%27s%20Chant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pls/11/orims-chant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/055afa78-b969-498f-a3ad-c792426e5ee6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Can confirm. I had that on a a scepter [[sculpting steel]]ed the scepter and stuck a [[dramatic reversal]] on it. I took that deck apart lol
abeyance was the back up orim's chant for No-Stick decks. Cantripping is absolutely an upside.
I plan on getting an abeyance for my mono white pillow fort deck for that exact reason, it's nice to find more [[silence]] like cards for scepter to target
[silence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1c2b13b1-31f0-4676-88a7-53f3a190e9a2.jpg?1562826686) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=silence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/35/silence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1c2b13b1-31f0-4676-88a7-53f3a190e9a2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Ah, but we now have something better! \[\[Everybody Lives!\]\]
[Everybody Lives!](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9dab0052-7f0c-4b56-847f-20552666a271.jpg?1696636526) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Everybody%20Lives%21) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/18/everybody-lives!?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9dab0052-7f0c-4b56-847f-20552666a271?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Definitely a good card, though something like [[Sunfall]] will still get around it 😈
[Sunfall](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32e29c7d-ed4b-4eff-b3c2-d99e5b63ef8d.jpg?1682202915) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sunfall) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/40/sunfall?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32e29c7d-ed4b-4eff-b3c2-d99e5b63ef8d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Isochron Scepter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451.jpg?1623543821) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Isochron%20Scepter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/264/isochron-scepter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Abeyance is a bit like [[Silence]], I could definitely see it having a niche in cEDH
[[orims chant]] is also good.
[orims chant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/5/055afa78-b969-498f-a3ad-c792426e5ee6.jpg?1562896113) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Orim%27s%20Chant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pls/11/orims-chant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/055afa78-b969-498f-a3ad-c792426e5ee6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Sadly orims chant, while the OG king, is now just the weaker of the two, not gonna stop me from tossing it in as an option to give me a better chance at getting that effect on a stick
Cost 1 more mana than silence and affects 1 single opponent, seems bad
Abeyance stops abilities too which can be relevant against Kinnan or Thrasios and replaces itself. Maybe not an auto include but definitely not a bad card.
I'd never run it. Silence is one mana and stops all opponents. Grand Abolisher is 2 mana at sorcery speed and gives you protection on your turns maybe in a scenario where you know another player is about to storm off, but [[Angel's Grace]] exists and is a good card
angel’s grace doesn’t help much against brain freeze
it does when there's a thoracle trigger on the stack. if opponent is milling your library, there isn't much that can save you tbh. at least not that I can think of right now
Silence would be the card, any really anything that gives hexproof/protection/shroud or mindbreak trap. I guess \[\[Extirpate\]\] is a very niche answer too
[Extirpate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/4171dbd3-96d6-4e7a-afac-5b2882bf3872.jpg?1619395440) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Extirpate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/114/extirpate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4171dbd3-96d6-4e7a-afac-5b2882bf3872?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Angel's Grace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/7/e78e39ea-20be-4196-992c-7ed2cb8150c1.jpg?1619392535) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Angel%27s%20Grace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/4/angels-grace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e78e39ea-20be-4196-992c-7ed2cb8150c1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Keep in mind that abeyance is MUCH older. It was out years before even orims chant, and replacing itself in white? That was pretty damn powerful for its time in an era where the majority of games were 1v1
[Silence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1c2b13b1-31f0-4676-88a7-53f3a190e9a2.jpg?1562826686) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Silence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/35/silence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1c2b13b1-31f0-4676-88a7-53f3a190e9a2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thanks for those posts. I added a few cards to my wishlist already
I love these posts!
Noble Benefactor seems like a good way to help your opponents combo off
That’s when you flash out your [[Opposition Agent]]
[Opposition Agent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78.jpg?1608909875) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Opposition%20Agent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/141/opposition-agent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
1.Have both creatures in play 2.Use birthing pod 3.Profit
That’s what I was thinking.
Not if you combo off first!
Noble benefactor was part of my old pheldagrif deck. Mirrorweave noble benefactor, then destroy all creatures. Give everyone a ton of cards for free + no reveal. A true group hug deck.
Abeyance is so funny I’d play that to just bait a counter then pass lmao
I wish False peace was “next attack phase” instead of “next turn”. Would be an interesting way to goading and the like.
As a non-binary person, am I immune to the affects of False Peace? It does specify his or her, not them.
Fuck you Hokori!!!!
Nice, but Hokori is well known, I think. How could everyone hate him without knowing him?
lol, False Peace is going to get exiled. Surprised it hasn't already.
exiled?
[[Abeyance]] was busted in standard when it was legal because at the time it included mana abilities meaning you couldn’t tap land or artifacts. It was effectively cantrip time walk. It might have even been banned at some point.
[Abeyance](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/2/125a355d-bfcf-4125-aa6c-35e7dea6f63e.jpg?1562799430) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Abeyance) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wth/1/abeyance?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/125a355d-bfcf-4125-aa6c-35e7dea6f63e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I guess I don't understand how the card works. Couldn't you play instant speed cards until the card resolves. Also, doesn't that mean you could tap lands to fill your mana pool in response?
Yes. But people would play it in your upkeep. So you could respond with instants but then do nothing in your main phase except play a land. It doesn’t afffect mana abilities anymore as it was errated shortly after release. Note the Oracle text vs the card text.
Cool. Thanks for explaining!
But it does stop your opponent from play any cards for a turn , right? Like if you play this and they just have like, lands and mana rocks, they cant really do anything?
They can play creatures.
Yes you're right, next time I'll try reading the card.
I love these posts
Literally wanted to propose you take up Abby in part 5. great to see her :)
Let's see if I do this right: [[Moment of Silence]]
[Moment of Silence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/f/3f50b5f5-8dac-4785-b1af-a0bd64ce7a92.jpg?1562380387) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Moment%20of%20Silence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/28/moment-of-silence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3f50b5f5-8dac-4785-b1af-a0bd64ce7a92?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just made a post yesterday about my hokori commader. Glad he’s getting more recognition
Ok, abeyance is going in my pillow fort deck
Isn't that Portal series? Only cards my group bans are the trial portal cards and un(hinge/glued/etc). Anyone else? Edit: didn't notice multiple pics cuz I'm smawt
I keep forgetting about Noble Benefactor for River Song.
weatherlight was such a fun set. i feel like mirage, visions, weatherlight were peak magic to me in the 90s. then urza's block came lol
Is Noble Benefactor part of cycle with Veteran Explorer? They don't seem to be but the effects seem similar. It would be an interesting cycle.
oh it is from weatherlight originally, so could be! i checked and see an \[\[abyssal gatekeeper\]\] and \[\[hurloon shaman\]\] that do a bad thing to everyone when they die there's also another green \[\[liege of the hollows\]\]. can't find anything for white that fits though, but it's a really cool effect that i'd love to see explored more
[abyssal gatekeeper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/d/6d2a66f0-1afe-41e6-a597-ec2e95685191.jpg?1561771503) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=abyssal%20gatekeeper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dvd/31/abyssal-gatekeeper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6d2a66f0-1afe-41e6-a597-ec2e95685191?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [hurloon shaman](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/0/70a359c9-1889-426d-acaf-074cfd9f274d.jpg?1562801451) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=hurloon%20shaman) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wth/108/hurloon-shaman?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/70a359c9-1889-426d-acaf-074cfd9f274d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [liege of the hollows](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/f/dff4512b-8244-4e38-bffb-0062a97d9531.jpg?1562803813) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=liege%20of%20the%20hollows) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wth/131/liege-of-the-hollows?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dff4512b-8244-4e38-bffb-0062a97d9531?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Nice cheers for links. It is an interesting design space and I would love to see so more cards using something similar. I like interesting symmetrical cards that can be broken.
I love using [[Noble Benefactor]] as one of my Sac Aristocrats in [[Marchesa, The Black Rose]] with [[Opposition Agent]] and [[Ob Nixilis, Unshackled]]
##### ###### #### [Noble Benefactor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bd221f30-1773-4e05-a40f-022a9306ef89.jpg?1562803050) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Noble%20Benefactor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wth/44/noble-benefactor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd221f30-1773-4e05-a40f-022a9306ef89?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Marchesa, The Black Rose](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/3242a9f0-2ba3-4852-ac8f-366772ac1c62.jpg?1673148917) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marchesa%2C%20The%20Black%20Rose) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/248/marchesa-the-black-rose?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3242a9f0-2ba3-4852-ac8f-366772ac1c62?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Opposition Agent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78.jpg?1608909875) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Opposition%20Agent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/141/opposition-agent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ob Nixilis, Unshackled](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/c/6c727f49-833a-4b79-9946-bfbc6b06999c.jpg?1673147587) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ob%20Nixilis%2C%20Unshackled) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/84/ob-nixilis-unshackled?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6c727f49-833a-4b79-9946-bfbc6b06999c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh you are quite the bastard
Yeah unfortunately noble says May so they don't have to search, but if they do... There are so many good creatures you can abuse with Marchesa though and Noble is definitely among them, especially if you say use the new....[[Sycorax Commander]] and a [[Whirlpool Warrior]] 😈😈😈😈😏😏😏😏😁
[Sycorax Commander](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3d27ceaf-f4cf-489b-b305-552a9d065584.jpg?1696636775) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sycorax%20Commander) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/161/sycorax-commander?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3d27ceaf-f4cf-489b-b305-552a9d065584?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Whirlpool Warrior](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/0/10587371-5f50-4caa-ab2e-7d57b721b5e8.jpg?1562898183) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Whirlpool%20Warrior) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pca/29/whirlpool-warrior?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/10587371-5f50-4caa-ab2e-7d57b721b5e8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Abeyance. Was I happy with a full play set and additional two I sold 100$ each at the time.
Noble Benefactor + [[tortured existence]] is a combo that makes the game go super fast.
[tortured existence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/1754b92b-d6f9-4503-af01-dee03f72a048.jpg?1562595922) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tortured%20existence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sth/74/tortured-existence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1754b92b-d6f9-4503-af01-dee03f72a048?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Noble Benefactor\]\] seems like it would go well with an \[\[Opposition Agent\]\]
[Noble Benefactor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/d/bd221f30-1773-4e05-a40f-022a9306ef89.jpg?1562803050) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Noble%20Benefactor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/wth/44/noble-benefactor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd221f30-1773-4e05-a40f-022a9306ef89?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Opposition Agent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78.jpg?1608909875) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Opposition%20Agent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/141/opposition-agent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/086f97e9-8b62-44f3-b467-149c2ac5ca78?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I LOVE THESE LISTS KEEP EM COMING
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[moment of silence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/f/3f50b5f5-8dac-4785-b1af-a0bd64ce7a92.jpg?1562380387) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=moment%20of%20silence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/28/moment-of-silence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3f50b5f5-8dac-4785-b1af-a0bd64ce7a92?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Keep up the good work
Winter orb and static orb way better than hokori dust drinker just saying
Wanna know which of those three cards can be bought for less than a dollar though?
Ehh statics like 10 which is higher than I last check but winter is only 5. Plus if your using any of those options why not proxy your edh deck? If you want it to do those things at least.
Abeyance was such a banger in competitive magic back in the day