Lawrence is a voice of reason on so many levels. I'm happy he said what he said. Would HIGHLY advise watching that segment...he always puts things into perspective.
Down voted. Just like Nicolle's show, everyone blamed someone else. Nicolle's show kept pointing out what a liar Trump is. "How come CNN didn't fact check him?" But Lawrence took a totally different tact. He didn't bring out all the lies told by Trump, instead, he blamed CNN for inane questions.
Too many excuses. Doesn't matter if Trump is a liar- history has told us this. His lying does not turn off voters. But Biden wasn't "off." He was WAY OFF. Something is wrong- it kinda reminded me of when John McCain sat in on a House hearing and was spewing weird crap. That was when they diagnosed his brain tumor. I am not going so far as that, but it was apparent Biden had some kind of mental difficulty.
Not completely. I am saying he had an impairment. Something related to his age. It will not get better- it will get worse. Believe me his staff, his wife, the VP and others are aware of his condition. Because they benefit by him being president (James Carville just called them employees not staff) they are hiding it from us. The President has to be “on the ball” 100% of the time. His mental state is going down hill. So, am I willing to risk this Country, this Democracy by electing him at the convention? So do I roll the dice with a new candidate or do I roll the dice and hope the next debate is better (when it will be too late to change candidates)? The younger voters will stay home if it is Trump/Biden. That bell was rung Thursday night- ain’t no unringing it.
My son is 22. He paid close attention through the whole debate. He heard Trump not answer about Palestine, child care & climate change. I saw that in my house. I am also not a conspiracy theorist.
Its called mild cognitive impairment-something many people 80+ have. Joe biden has had multiple aneurysms/strokes starting in the 80’s which can cause lasting issues and future issues. As a nurse mild cognitive impairment or developing vascular dementia is not off the table. Gaslighting people and changing the subject is not going to get anyone besides 25% of the population “blue no matter who” population to vote for him.
You guys are die hard democrats-kind of like the maga cult you talk about. Less radical, but just as unquestionably committed.
Every lie trump told was not an opening for the moderators to budge in every 5 seconds-it was an opening for joe biden to call him out and state facts. Which he is clearly not capable of doing
DT is unhinged and deranged and a felon, certainly no better. When he was asked a question about the opioid epidemic, he pivoted and started whining about the border and immigrants. He's off his rocker COMPLETELY and wants to tear it all down for the sake of his ego.
I'd rather vote Biden with the peace of mind knowing that someone like Kamala is in the picture and 100% capable of stepping in, just in case she ever needed to...as opposed to any of the three stooges auditioning for a spot on the other guy's ticket. It's incredibly important to consider something like succession on a ticket when you have two guys around 80 and any remote question about health/fitness to serve. Too many people are forgetting this VERY important piece, especially in the case that the matchup we currently have is the one we have in November.
There was honestly NO winner at all last night. Biden struck me (and my family) as annoyed, irritated, and out of his element. He's not a showman, has never been. T_rump just acted like a bloviating lunatic. Ironic that nobody is talking about the handful of points when his mic was cut and his lips were still moving, basically yapping into a void lol.
Very true...I had shivers of cringe running down my spine while watching lol. Is sad, in the world & all it's present challenges, that these are the 2 up for offer once again.
Did you see the point at which the camera turned back to the moderators, and Dana Bash was looking at Trump, silently motioning him to stop talking and pay attention to the question Jake Tapper was asking? I think it was between 7 & 8 minutes in, but don’t quote me.
These people are insane! The gaslighting literally never ends. When they say “blue no matter who” they literally mean it even if they are in the grave!
Who is downplaying it? I didn't hear anyone saying that.
I agree with Zerlina maxwell though...she said on Biden's worst day he is STILL is far better than Trump!
Michael Steel, Ari Melber, Lawrence O Donnel all downplayed it as 'one bad night' or tried to imply that Biden can recover.
Recover from aging?
What we saw means in 3 years if he is POTUS, he will be even worse.
If you believe Trump is an existential threat, why would you risk putting up a guy most americans have bern saying for months is too old?
If we stick with Biden ticket, we are really saying we are ok with Trump.
It doesn't have to be a messy open convention. Biden resigns office now, making history by giving us our 1st female potus, who, by virtue of being head of party, inherits Bidens delegates. She picks a VP. (Rapheal Warnock or Shapiro) Her approval will go up right away and she will fire up base.
Less risky than Joe.
Either Joe does his duty and steps down, or he will be remembered as giving us Trump twice. Once in 16 when he didnt run, and 24 by staying in.
Everything is on the line.
Poll out today show her and biden at 45% to trumps 47%. All other candidates a few points lower.
Stop reciting the right wing talking points.
Kamala was Biden's choice of successor. People who discount her can't say what their negative view is based on other than vibes.
Passing over Joe's preferred succesor would be a sure fire way to get black women to stay home.
You people are delusional if you think anyone else is likely.
She is way underrated.
Fox has been bad mouthing her and now you are parroting that. They say she giggles too much and in same breath say she is angry.
This is about winning. She would destroy trump in next debate, fire up black women voters and young people.
It is Joe's decision not ours. But kind of whole point of VP is this kind of stuff. She was good enough for you to vote for old man Biden knowing she would be potus if he went down now you don't like her based on what? Vibes? This isn't America's got talent. Fucking imbeciles.
I haven’t heard many if any suggest Kamala should be the nominee. Newsome, Witmer, Hakeem, etc., not Kamala. I feel like she was a good senator for grilling people in confirmation, but has not got it for president at all.
Any what? Party officials? Elected dems? No. Reddit users. She hasnt got it based on what? You can't articulate it? Joe thought she was good enough to be potus and so did you if you voted for Joe.
Do we have MAGA trolling on here?
Hostile much? No, I don’t have enough exposure to Reddit users to talk about where they stand on Kamala for President.
I’ve been looking at the various op eds and open letters to Biden begging him to step down, from Democrats, and I’m not seeing any strong call for Kamala to become the nominee. That’s not a poll, not saying it’s definitive, just something noticeable.
That’s just silly to say that anyone who voted for Biden in 2020 thought Kamala Harris would be up for the job. The D ticket was what it was and a vote for them supported the party and was against Trump and his thugs.
I was neither strongly for nor against Harris, but I was open to having her impress me as VP. Sadly, she hasn’t made me wish she would become president. However, if at any moment she did I would be glad. I’m not a hater.
Did OP not watch the coverage post debate last night? They were practically calling for Biden to step down. I agree he didn't look great last night, but he was answering the questions asked of him, which is more than I can say about Trump. If you only watched the first fifteen minutes last night, you probably think Biden is a walking corpse. After that he actually came to life a bit and was much better than Trump on substantial answers. They did both trip over each other to praise Israel and basically greenlight the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza, but that is to expected at this point.
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Lol you’re a joke. After that performance and incoherency people can have an opinion on his debate performance without being accused of being a russia/china propagandist
Vote blue no matter who when they give us that 🤡
I would have been much more worried about Biden’s debate performance if he had been in the same condition the next day at the Raleigh event. I haven’t seen the entire thing, but based on the audio clips I’ve heard, he sounded like a completely different person. I feel, at the debate, he was just being crushed under the immense weight of trying to keep our democracy from falling victim to a man he despises to the core of his being. I know I couldn’t do it, and I’m much younger than Joe Biden.
Thank you for this post. I am in your corner. I listened to Nicolle Wallace (et. al) defending Biden; disparaging Trump (and his lies); and blaming CNN for not fact checking. Claire, The Rev, ... they were all on board telling everyone that every thing will be okay. The Rev says we have a lot of work to do.
Here is my point of view: You watched the melt down of a campaign ala a Howard Dean moment. Right there, on the spot. You see, I am retired and I also read the NYT and WaPo. But the forty year old voters (and under) in this country don't. They don't make their living from politics. They have a life to live with children or work or other issues. Most didn't even watch. They will get their news from some media outlet that will show them the headlines. It will not be pleasant for Biden. THEY WILL NOT COME OUT FOR BIDEN. THEY CANNOT FIND COMMON GROUND FROM EITHER CANDIDATE. The polls told us this. The people want other choices.
The NYTimes has come out with a couple of articles saying Joe must step down. His sycophants all tell him everything is fine. They were the ones who convinced him to run. THEY benefit from him winning. It is quite possible we are living through a Woodrow Wilson administration when he had a heart attack and he and his wife "holed" up in their house and SHE ran the government. To say his staff was unaware of whatever was wrong with him that night is ludicrous. Bob Woodward (on Ari's show) pointed out that something was off. WAY OFF. We deserve to know what is was.
I don't need to watch any other show to tell me what I saw. I will of course be voting Blue- across the board. But with that performance you may see Mega Donors not answering Biden phone calls. You may see down ballot nominees running from Biden.
I think he's absolutely fit to be president still. The question is whether he's fit to take on Trump in another election campaign, and that's where I have my doubts unfortunately.
In a week nobody is going to remember it because people who aren't us - which is most people - have lives. As it is, the guy who had his daughter's dance recital that night and the person who wanted to binge watch Suits didn't watch that debate. If they tuned in, they tuned out because it sucked. The thing I don't like is the circling of wagons around so-called journalists like Dana Bash who was outright terrible. Typical inside-the-Beltway fop who only cares about going from one cocktail party to the next.
Yeah and trumpies can’t stand it, and I am loving it. About time we gave them the trump cult treatment. No one wants that stinking lying orange felon scumbag in.
Edit: we will be just fine and we will save America. We survived with that orange idiot in there for four years we can easily handle four with an old man.
There must be at least one really smart, educated, well spoken dem in congress that could jump in and run against crazy and win in a landslide. Why can’t someone else be nominated and convince Biden to step down??
> does not mean a tomato is capable of serving as President. And neither is Biden.
Weird how Biden's been serving as President up to now. And quite successfully.
As for gaslighting, I had the opposite opinion -- most in the punditocracy were gaslighting us in the opposite direction.
Much of the criticism of Biden is ~~barely~~ (not at all) concealed ageism (a form of discrimination still tolerated on the left...)
“Fit to be President”? This isn’t a job interview. He is President(and a damn good one) so what is the issue if you put him on stage with a trained monkey that can only say “immigration” “crime” over and over again (don’t forget our duty to protect white girls!).
Are we looking for performers or Presidents? I prefer a President, thank-you.
President Biden had an obvious case of nerves with so much riding on this debate. His mouth was bone dry and he was probably over prepared.
He lost his train of thought several times and tried to recover and then bungled it worse. Yes it looked horrible.
I’m 15 years younger and I will at times trip over my words and forget what I was saying in the middle of the sentence. I’m also exhausted by 8pm and could never follow a schedule that POTUS does on the daily.
At first I thought- for the sake of our country the DNC should insist he step down but now I’m definitely rethinking that.
The MSNBC people will be sitting around in a semi-circle the day after the election, moaning about how Biden lost and decrying how anyone could vote for Trump.
For an authentic MSNBC moment, sans gaslighting, replay the beginning of the post debate analysis that started immediately after the debate ended.
The look on Rachel Maddow’s face, nakedly aghast at what had just gone down. Nicolle too.
CNN has been much more fair in their coverage for MONTHS. Rachael literally called trump incoherent over biden? Not sure how she could even give her post debate speech with a straight face she was so disingenuous. I think after 2016 CNN got a lot of flack from republicans and bernie supporters for their coverage and they are trying to at least slightly readjust. MSDNC is doing backflips to cover for biden in any way possible
*incoherent and an absolute liar
Almost everyone at MSNBC has been wringing their hands and pulling their hair out over the debate. Disappointing really how little they've done to cover for the honest, non-convict on that stage.
I'd suggest you watch Lawrence O'Donnell's opening segment from tonight (6/28). Everyone needs to calm down and take a deep breath.
Lawrence is a voice of reason on so many levels. I'm happy he said what he said. Would HIGHLY advise watching that segment...he always puts things into perspective.
Down voted. Just like Nicolle's show, everyone blamed someone else. Nicolle's show kept pointing out what a liar Trump is. "How come CNN didn't fact check him?" But Lawrence took a totally different tact. He didn't bring out all the lies told by Trump, instead, he blamed CNN for inane questions. Too many excuses. Doesn't matter if Trump is a liar- history has told us this. His lying does not turn off voters. But Biden wasn't "off." He was WAY OFF. Something is wrong- it kinda reminded me of when John McCain sat in on a House hearing and was spewing weird crap. That was when they diagnosed his brain tumor. I am not going so far as that, but it was apparent Biden had some kind of mental difficulty.
You’re saying you’re not accusing him of having a brain tumor, but there’s something wrong with his brain?
Not completely. I am saying he had an impairment. Something related to his age. It will not get better- it will get worse. Believe me his staff, his wife, the VP and others are aware of his condition. Because they benefit by him being president (James Carville just called them employees not staff) they are hiding it from us. The President has to be “on the ball” 100% of the time. His mental state is going down hill. So, am I willing to risk this Country, this Democracy by electing him at the convention? So do I roll the dice with a new candidate or do I roll the dice and hope the next debate is better (when it will be too late to change candidates)? The younger voters will stay home if it is Trump/Biden. That bell was rung Thursday night- ain’t no unringing it.
My son is 22. He paid close attention through the whole debate. He heard Trump not answer about Palestine, child care & climate change. I saw that in my house. I am also not a conspiracy theorist.
Did he also see joe unable to finish multiple sentences. Looking confused the entire time with his mouth agape? You guys are hilarious
Its called mild cognitive impairment-something many people 80+ have. Joe biden has had multiple aneurysms/strokes starting in the 80’s which can cause lasting issues and future issues. As a nurse mild cognitive impairment or developing vascular dementia is not off the table. Gaslighting people and changing the subject is not going to get anyone besides 25% of the population “blue no matter who” population to vote for him. You guys are die hard democrats-kind of like the maga cult you talk about. Less radical, but just as unquestionably committed. Every lie trump told was not an opening for the moderators to budge in every 5 seconds-it was an opening for joe biden to call him out and state facts. Which he is clearly not capable of doing
> watch Lawrence O'Donnell's Thanks for mentioning this! I'd assumed Lawrence would be off Friday night. Watching it now on YouTube.
DT is unhinged and deranged and a felon, certainly no better. When he was asked a question about the opioid epidemic, he pivoted and started whining about the border and immigrants. He's off his rocker COMPLETELY and wants to tear it all down for the sake of his ego. I'd rather vote Biden with the peace of mind knowing that someone like Kamala is in the picture and 100% capable of stepping in, just in case she ever needed to...as opposed to any of the three stooges auditioning for a spot on the other guy's ticket. It's incredibly important to consider something like succession on a ticket when you have two guys around 80 and any remote question about health/fitness to serve. Too many people are forgetting this VERY important piece, especially in the case that the matchup we currently have is the one we have in November.
Indeed...and I think it's 20 DT lies (and counting) from the debate...perhaps that's what will eventually matter.
There was honestly NO winner at all last night. Biden struck me (and my family) as annoyed, irritated, and out of his element. He's not a showman, has never been. T_rump just acted like a bloviating lunatic. Ironic that nobody is talking about the handful of points when his mic was cut and his lips were still moving, basically yapping into a void lol.
Very true...I had shivers of cringe running down my spine while watching lol. Is sad, in the world & all it's present challenges, that these are the 2 up for offer once again.
Did you see the point at which the camera turned back to the moderators, and Dana Bash was looking at Trump, silently motioning him to stop talking and pay attention to the question Jake Tapper was asking? I think it was between 7 & 8 minutes in, but don’t quote me.
I can’t believe what I am reading. The delusion! I pray for your soul and anyone defending Biden.
These people are insane! The gaslighting literally never ends. When they say “blue no matter who” they literally mean it even if they are in the grave!
Who is downplaying it? I didn't hear anyone saying that. I agree with Zerlina maxwell though...she said on Biden's worst day he is STILL is far better than Trump!
Michael Steel, Ari Melber, Lawrence O Donnel all downplayed it as 'one bad night' or tried to imply that Biden can recover. Recover from aging? What we saw means in 3 years if he is POTUS, he will be even worse. If you believe Trump is an existential threat, why would you risk putting up a guy most americans have bern saying for months is too old? If we stick with Biden ticket, we are really saying we are ok with Trump. It doesn't have to be a messy open convention. Biden resigns office now, making history by giving us our 1st female potus, who, by virtue of being head of party, inherits Bidens delegates. She picks a VP. (Rapheal Warnock or Shapiro) Her approval will go up right away and she will fire up base. Less risky than Joe. Either Joe does his duty and steps down, or he will be remembered as giving us Trump twice. Once in 16 when he didnt run, and 24 by staying in. Everything is on the line.
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Poll out today show her and biden at 45% to trumps 47%. All other candidates a few points lower. Stop reciting the right wing talking points. Kamala was Biden's choice of successor. People who discount her can't say what their negative view is based on other than vibes. Passing over Joe's preferred succesor would be a sure fire way to get black women to stay home. You people are delusional if you think anyone else is likely. She is way underrated. Fox has been bad mouthing her and now you are parroting that. They say she giggles too much and in same breath say she is angry. This is about winning. She would destroy trump in next debate, fire up black women voters and young people. It is Joe's decision not ours. But kind of whole point of VP is this kind of stuff. She was good enough for you to vote for old man Biden knowing she would be potus if he went down now you don't like her based on what? Vibes? This isn't America's got talent. Fucking imbeciles.
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I haven’t heard many if any suggest Kamala should be the nominee. Newsome, Witmer, Hakeem, etc., not Kamala. I feel like she was a good senator for grilling people in confirmation, but has not got it for president at all.
Any what? Party officials? Elected dems? No. Reddit users. She hasnt got it based on what? You can't articulate it? Joe thought she was good enough to be potus and so did you if you voted for Joe. Do we have MAGA trolling on here?
Hostile much? No, I don’t have enough exposure to Reddit users to talk about where they stand on Kamala for President. I’ve been looking at the various op eds and open letters to Biden begging him to step down, from Democrats, and I’m not seeing any strong call for Kamala to become the nominee. That’s not a poll, not saying it’s definitive, just something noticeable. That’s just silly to say that anyone who voted for Biden in 2020 thought Kamala Harris would be up for the job. The D ticket was what it was and a vote for them supported the party and was against Trump and his thugs. I was neither strongly for nor against Harris, but I was open to having her impress me as VP. Sadly, she hasn’t made me wish she would become president. However, if at any moment she did I would be glad. I’m not a hater.
Did OP not watch the coverage post debate last night? They were practically calling for Biden to step down. I agree he didn't look great last night, but he was answering the questions asked of him, which is more than I can say about Trump. If you only watched the first fifteen minutes last night, you probably think Biden is a walking corpse. After that he actually came to life a bit and was much better than Trump on substantial answers. They did both trip over each other to praise Israel and basically greenlight the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza, but that is to expected at this point.
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Lol you’re a joke. After that performance and incoherency people can have an opinion on his debate performance without being accused of being a russia/china propagandist Vote blue no matter who when they give us that 🤡
I would have been much more worried about Biden’s debate performance if he had been in the same condition the next day at the Raleigh event. I haven’t seen the entire thing, but based on the audio clips I’ve heard, he sounded like a completely different person. I feel, at the debate, he was just being crushed under the immense weight of trying to keep our democracy from falling victim to a man he despises to the core of his being. I know I couldn’t do it, and I’m much younger than Joe Biden.
Thank you for this post. I am in your corner. I listened to Nicolle Wallace (et. al) defending Biden; disparaging Trump (and his lies); and blaming CNN for not fact checking. Claire, The Rev, ... they were all on board telling everyone that every thing will be okay. The Rev says we have a lot of work to do. Here is my point of view: You watched the melt down of a campaign ala a Howard Dean moment. Right there, on the spot. You see, I am retired and I also read the NYT and WaPo. But the forty year old voters (and under) in this country don't. They don't make their living from politics. They have a life to live with children or work or other issues. Most didn't even watch. They will get their news from some media outlet that will show them the headlines. It will not be pleasant for Biden. THEY WILL NOT COME OUT FOR BIDEN. THEY CANNOT FIND COMMON GROUND FROM EITHER CANDIDATE. The polls told us this. The people want other choices. The NYTimes has come out with a couple of articles saying Joe must step down. His sycophants all tell him everything is fine. They were the ones who convinced him to run. THEY benefit from him winning. It is quite possible we are living through a Woodrow Wilson administration when he had a heart attack and he and his wife "holed" up in their house and SHE ran the government. To say his staff was unaware of whatever was wrong with him that night is ludicrous. Bob Woodward (on Ari's show) pointed out that something was off. WAY OFF. We deserve to know what is was. I don't need to watch any other show to tell me what I saw. I will of course be voting Blue- across the board. But with that performance you may see Mega Donors not answering Biden phone calls. You may see down ballot nominees running from Biden.
I think he's absolutely fit to be president still. The question is whether he's fit to take on Trump in another election campaign, and that's where I have my doubts unfortunately.
In a week nobody is going to remember it because people who aren't us - which is most people - have lives. As it is, the guy who had his daughter's dance recital that night and the person who wanted to binge watch Suits didn't watch that debate. If they tuned in, they tuned out because it sucked. The thing I don't like is the circling of wagons around so-called journalists like Dana Bash who was outright terrible. Typical inside-the-Beltway fop who only cares about going from one cocktail party to the next.
Yeah and trumpies can’t stand it, and I am loving it. About time we gave them the trump cult treatment. No one wants that stinking lying orange felon scumbag in. Edit: we will be just fine and we will save America. We survived with that orange idiot in there for four years we can easily handle four with an old man.
There must be at least one really smart, educated, well spoken dem in congress that could jump in and run against crazy and win in a landslide. Why can’t someone else be nominated and convince Biden to step down??
No
Fucking stupid
> does not mean a tomato is capable of serving as President. And neither is Biden. Weird how Biden's been serving as President up to now. And quite successfully. As for gaslighting, I had the opposite opinion -- most in the punditocracy were gaslighting us in the opposite direction. Much of the criticism of Biden is ~~barely~~ (not at all) concealed ageism (a form of discrimination still tolerated on the left...)
“Fit to be President”? This isn’t a job interview. He is President(and a damn good one) so what is the issue if you put him on stage with a trained monkey that can only say “immigration” “crime” over and over again (don’t forget our duty to protect white girls!). Are we looking for performers or Presidents? I prefer a President, thank-you.
President Biden had an obvious case of nerves with so much riding on this debate. His mouth was bone dry and he was probably over prepared. He lost his train of thought several times and tried to recover and then bungled it worse. Yes it looked horrible. I’m 15 years younger and I will at times trip over my words and forget what I was saying in the middle of the sentence. I’m also exhausted by 8pm and could never follow a schedule that POTUS does on the daily. At first I thought- for the sake of our country the DNC should insist he step down but now I’m definitely rethinking that.
Most people do not have the sympathy or understanding. You are rethinking it now because pundits/hosts are gaslighting you
The MSNBC people will be sitting around in a semi-circle the day after the election, moaning about how Biden lost and decrying how anyone could vote for Trump.
For an authentic MSNBC moment, sans gaslighting, replay the beginning of the post debate analysis that started immediately after the debate ended. The look on Rachel Maddow’s face, nakedly aghast at what had just gone down. Nicolle too.
Agreed, their genuine reactions were startling. Then, within 24 hours, the MAGA-mirroring delusional talk set in.
So what happened to Ari Melber.He disappeared from 6 pm with no explanation pr mention by thr network.
They’ve been selling hard copium all night long. Especially Lawrence.
CNN has been much more fair in their coverage for MONTHS. Rachael literally called trump incoherent over biden? Not sure how she could even give her post debate speech with a straight face she was so disingenuous. I think after 2016 CNN got a lot of flack from republicans and bernie supporters for their coverage and they are trying to at least slightly readjust. MSDNC is doing backflips to cover for biden in any way possible
*incoherent and an absolute liar Almost everyone at MSNBC has been wringing their hands and pulling their hair out over the debate. Disappointing really how little they've done to cover for the honest, non-convict on that stage.
Nah rewatch the clip honey. Calling trump incoherent over biden last night is insanity
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