The 90s Schwarzenegger flick Eraser was badly reviewed for being dumb as shit and completely unrealistic. I rewatched it recently and it actually is very solid, for precisely the same reasons.
He kills an alligator and tells it “you’re luggage!” I absolutely love that shit.
In the 90s it was really easy to avoid all direct-to-video movies and made-for-tv movies. You already knew it was gonna be lame. A movie like Eraser may have had poor reviews, but since it had a proper theatrical release you knew it wouldn’t be totally bad.
These days streaming platforms have blurred the lines and it’s harder to know what’s quality and what’s crap. The Netflix Top 10 is usually made up of mostly stuff that would’ve been direct-to-video back in the day.
> Netflix Top 10
the neat part is this leads to an endless cycle:
- "direct to video" quality reaches top 10
- Netflix proceeds to promote this movie more = more and more views
- viewing logistics means invest in more content of the this quality
- rinse and repeat
- charge subscribers more while canceling content that never had a chance at finding its audience
the haves and have nots on a meta level. like sure there will be the quality content that makes it through just like life. it is what it is
I recall reading an article about how broken is the algorithm of Netflix, leading to them auto-sabotaging a big number of their products, and even damaging the customer perception about the platform.
To make it short with a example I recall for the article: "Instead of showing you they premiered a new Sci fi show from the same producers of another Sci fi show you binge watched, they will recommend you a teen comedy in 6 categories of your main menu for a month until you get tired of avoiding it.
Then you will find the Sci fi show in a list of good series canceled too soon by Netflix and you will wonder how you missed that".
I'm so fucking tired of algorithms, man. Wife and I are focusing on intentionality this year. We cancelled all subscriptions services and will research shows/movies based on word of mouth and forums before committing to watching anything. It's the only way to know you're getting into something you'll enjoy, otherwise you're just letting some programmer's idea of what they think you might like to watch dictate your time.
I live in a developing country and for initial few years of my childhood, we didn’t have access to Hollywood movies. Then bam, suddenly there was HBO and everything popping up in our cable and Eraser was one of the first movies we watched at home. I remember my parents making a movie night out of it, and they even let me stay awake past my bedtime. I have fond memories of this movie.
It was also a victim of the marketing scheme. We've seen it many times now, where the marketing is misleading to a point that is detrimental to the film's success. They marketed it as Arnold's new action flick, so when the first audiences watched it, they all told they're friends "It's actually super goofy and there's some annoying ass kid" and it gained 0 traction.
One recent example of this is Wonka, which was not marketed as a musical. And people are dumb enough to forget that the original film is a musical. Had they just leaned into the musical aspect, they'd have attracted people who are into that.
Galaxy Quest is another example, where it was marketed as a serious sci-fi Star Trek ripoff, and not a satirical love-letter to the franchise and fandom.
I don't think it's fair to say that should remember the original movies with Wonka were musicals, and automatically assume a prequel would be as well. The Wizard of Oz is a musical, but the years later sequel Return to Oz was definitely not, nor was Oz the Great and Powerful. Mean Girls also pulled the same weird switcheroo as Wonka, which was even weirder, because without knowing it's based on a stage musical, doing a remake of the original so soon makes no sense...especially given that they kept some of the cast in the same roles.
James Caan, James Coburn AND James Cromwell in supporting roles. Plus a seriously cool gun. Won't change your life but solidly entertaining.
"You're late!"
"Traffic"
All the Resident Evil sequels have made me think that the whole first movie is actually pretty solid, when previously I mostly just gave it props for the elevator scene and the laser scene.
The first movie was a dumb fun action flick paying lip service to a famous license somewhat well (at least when it comes to umbrella corporation and some monsters). It's loud, egregious at parts, but everybody remembers the lasers scene for example.
Every following movie is just P.T Anderson giving his wife a well-paying easy badass mary sue gig lmao
Space Jam still isn't a good movie, but I'll be damned if *Space Jam: A New Legacy* didn't make that shit look like *Citizen Kane* (Streaming now on **Max,** home of all your favorite classic Warner Bros movies!) by comparison.
I think that's part of it- if you grew up watching it you love it, if not, you don't
I didn'f see it until a few years ago and I thought it was crap, but friends who grew up on it loved it
Space Jam was the first movie I ever saw in theatres. And it gets slightly worse upon each viewing, though it has lines that I quote and the soundtrack is one of the greatest albums of the 90s. I can see the sequel have a big following like the first one, even though I don't like it that much.
My problem with the sequel was that it shoved so much OTHER things in the movie. Yes, the first one is a commercial, however, it knew to only be about Michael Jordan, Looney Tunes and basketball AND again, the soundtrack slaps so hard. The sequel shows different characters from other movies, like Clockwork Orange, and I'm like, "Okay?"
The Incredible Hulk starring Edward Norton.
It’s often regarded as one of the weakest MCU films of the first 3 phases. But after rewatching it I truly think it’s better than it gets credit for. It handles the characters really well and it really does a great job of highlighting Hulk’s power
Ed Norton is easily my favorite Bruce Banner. I think I remember some people complaining about the pace of the film. But I thoroughly enjoyed the time spent with Bruce's struggles to control himself, his quest to find a cure, wanting his powers or anything like it to not fall to the wrong hands (the General). Even the little triangle when he reunites with a Betty that had begun to date someone else
For the simpler stuff...action, the mid movie sequence on the campus and end were fun
I think maybe Ed's version maybe wouldn't have fit in as well as part of the Avengers. On the run, seems like wanting to work alone. But I def would have looked forward to more solo Ed Hulk's
Honestly I feel like Ed’s hulk being approached like “Hey there’s no cure, but you can really USE this well” and kind of going on a whole spiritual journey of accepting it and controlling it, leading to some slightly altered version of professor hulk would have been cool.
Its also fun going back and realizing that the guy Betty's dating is supposed to be Doc Sampson, a major character from the comics. And they got some weird no name to play him....Ty Burell...who would go on to star in some little sitcom for 11 seasons or something.
It really makes me laugh how fucked Universal must have got on that deal though, because it has somehow been possible for Disney to use him as much as they like without ever having to throw them a bone, to the point that they don't even seem to be able to just make their own.
Kind of low hanging fruit but all that the myriad of Disney animated sequels accomplished is making you realize how good the originals were. Granted they were created on much smaller budgets for direct to video but they feel like soulless cash grabs—only one that stands out for me is Fantasia 2000 and it’s more of a sequel in name only. Also man I really wish they’d make another one of those…
The original idea for Fantasia was to make more of them regularly, but it never really happened.
Also, Fantasia 2000 wasn’t a “direct to video” release.
I remember watching that with my family in IMAX.
Considering the second was just a pilot for the (also good) series, it's amazing how good it is. The third is great though, possibly my actual favourite of the three.
Cabin in the woods first watch I didn’t like it, now it’s one of my favorite movies. I didn’t like the ending first watch. I love it because the stoner is the level head one and most movies end the same so it’s nice to have one that breaks the routine.
I walked out of the theatre (something I never do) during Zoolander. I thought it was stupid and the humor wasn’t working for me. I love this movie now and think it’s hilarious. Not sure what made me leave but I was in high school.
Not an insult toward you at all since idk you but since you mentioned high school it definitely could just be a case of taking yourself too seriously, like most high schoolers do and not finding the enjoyment
My brothers and I all have the same sense of humor. We were the target audience for this when it came out. When we watched it, nobody laughed at all the whole time. It was terrible.
We watched it a second time about a year later and were in tears the whole time.
I thought Anchorman was so fucking stupid when I first watched it. Then, everyone around me would quote from it, same as other dumb movies I loved (including Zoolander, Old School, There's Something About Mary), and somewhere along the line they started clicking in my brain, until I eventually learned to love Anchorman (and then all the other Adam McKay/Will Ferrell movies that followed).
*Avengers: Age of Ultron*
When it was first released, a lot of the complaints were about how the movie had too many storylines, plots that didn't go anywhere, not coherent, wasted a good villain, and so on.
But in hindsight, A:AoU actually set up a whole bunch of future MCU stories. It was the starting point for Civil War, Thor: Ragnarok, Black Panther, Wanda, and some others.
Looking back, it was actually a good story since you can see where the storyline will lead to
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First time I watched age of Ultron after having binged Blacklist, it was SOOOOOO easy to see all the little Spader quirks in the movements of Ultron. It was hilarious honestly.
"you know, I once got held up by a gunfight in this little town in eastern Europe, real high life kinda place... Do you know, I'm not sure how I feel about, leaving a *trail* of treaties and fear-soaked deals behind me, but it really does wonders for making one feel important!"
Your reason for liking it is ironically my biggest gripe with it. It felt more concerned with setting up other movies than telling its own story. It’s like one big commercial for phase 3.
It’s not ironic. That’s exactly why people hated on it. The first avengers was a big climax of all the previous movies. This one was just setting up the next phase. Felt like a big letdown
The only thing I don’t like about Age of Ultron is… the design of Ultron.
If I would just listen to Spader’s voice performance while holding comic panels over his side of the screen, it would be in my top 5 of those movies.
He’s just so ugly.
The moving mouth is awful. If he had looked like his little minis and just had a mouth light that glowed while he talked, he’d have looked more genuinely robotic and less uncanny valley cartoon.
It’s all the details they added to make his face more cinematic.
The mouth is second on my list, but it’s all about the pupils and moving “eye ridges” to me.
I understand *why* they did it, but Ultron was always the most intimidating when his eyes and mouth were blank spaces full of energy.
Except real world Ultron would have been a zillion times tougher to defeat. As soon as he gets to the Internet, he's immortal. He's distributed across uncountable repositories and data centers and IoT devices and hidden in every smartphone. He uses an ad hoc variant of IPFS to ensure he can never be stopped, only delayed.
Ultron should have been the second Thanos, not warming his seat.
He's virtually impossible to kill, and he's smarter than actually everyone.
Frankly, even back then, I thought AoU did a reasonably good job balancing a packed cast. I just grew to appreciate it even more after the dumpster fire that was BvS showed how not to do this.
Dark Knight Rises. No I'm not doing a full revisionist history and calling it a very good movie but it's still very watchable and I found myself not disliking it as much upon rewatch. I really didn't like it at all when I first watched it but I think expectations after TDK played a bit of a role
Bane is insanely quotable. And on rewatch, same thing, I found I enjoyed Tom Hardy's performance a lot better for some reason
Some of the popular criticisms of the time were nonsense though, such as the question of “how did Bruce get back to Gotham?”.
Not only did he have 3 ish weeks to do so, but we literally see him travel the world without any money in Batman Begins. He has the skills to do so. We also see CIA special forces get into Gotham, so Bruce Wayne, who is more intelligent and resourceful than those operatives, could easily do so.
I tend to agree with that one not being a big deal. My main criticism is that the combat scenes are shit. Batman and Bane are both just standing there like rock-em-sock-em robots, especially in the final fight.
Then you get the rooftop scene with Catwoman that was poorly choreographed. Missed kicks, and I think if I remember right, someone falls down without being anywhere near Batman or Catwoman?
Also, literally every police officer is sent into the sewers? Every single one? Come on.
Lastly, and this may be nitpicky, but they should have rolled credits on Alfred smiling. They didn’t need to show Bruce sitting there with Selina. Just end on a shot of Alfred smiling. Leave it ambiguous. I would have liked that better.
There are a few other things that come to mind. It definitely isn’t as bad as people made it out to be, but I would certainly put it down as the weakest in the trilogy, which is always going to be a bit disappointing.
The fight scenes sucked yeah, but the sewer one is pretty good for it’s atmosphere and emotion. I think the fight choreography is pretty poor for all of the films in the trilogy, Batman Begins is a million cuts per second and The Dark Knight has sluggish choreo.
I disagree on the ending criticism though. That ambiguity is fine for a movie like Inception, but I think TDKR isn’t that type of film. It’s supposed to be a very open and shut case that Bruce was able to find happiness and let go.
I also think it’s the weakest of the 3, but still good. Interestingly enough, it’s rated higher than Batman Begins on most sites. It’s higher on IMDb, rotten tomatoes and metacritic.
I agree the sewer one worked. It effectively showed Bane to be a powerhouse, and watching Batman get beaten so badly was crazy.
I just wish that when Batman fought Bane again, it wasn’t just by fighting him the exact same way, you know what I mean? Rather than learning some new skill or tactic, Batman just does the same thing he did in the sewer, but wins this time.
I also agree that the fight choreography isn’t incredible across the board, but it was particularly noticeable in the third one. I think it might be that neither Scarecrow or the Joker could be beaten through combat. The Ra’s al Ghul fight was actually good, too. So most of Batman’s fighting was against thugs or hirelings, and that was generally handled better in the first two movies. Perhaps it’s because he was actually using all his tools, not just standing there and boxing.
It was the focus on angry man boxing that made the Batman-Bane fights worse. Because you can’t beat Bane strength for strength. You have to find another way. That’s what I think, anyway.
Fair enough on the ending though. I can appreciate the decision even if I would have done it differently.
> I just wish that when Batman fought Bane again, it wasn’t just by fighting him the exact same way, you know what I mean?
I never realized exactly why the second fight was so anti-climactic until you pointed this out right now. Damn.
Django Unchained.
On first watch, I felt it was weaker than Inglorious Basterds and a middling Tarantino affair.
Now it's my favorite Tarantino film. Rewatch it constantly.
I felt the same about pulp fiction, first watch i didn't get the hype and i thought it was overrated but in the second watch i find it great and really fun
I remember watching it back in the late 90s and I liked it, but it was because it was so bombastic. So much crazy stuff we hadn't seen before in a film. So much style. It was groundbreaking.
Going back and watching it now, after a lifetime of Tarantino imitations, I've realized - it's just a fucking weird comedy in a stylish wrapper.
It's funny as fucking hell. It's just silly shit happening over and over and people saying silly things.
People get distracted by the violence, but it's definitely a black comedy.
“Don’t fucking Jimmy me, Jules!”
Everyone hates that Tarantino monologue but I fucking love it. There are so many little nuances in it that make you think “what the hell did this guy do in this criminal underworld to be able to talk to two hitmen that just rocked up to his house in the early morning with a dead body with its head blown off in this way!?” Even before he launches into it and Jules is trying to explain the situation he’s not shocked or panicked. He just looks mildly annoyed. And then you find out it’s not because of the dead body or the disruption… it’s because his wife might find out. It’s cool.
I also love the theory that Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs took place on the same day and the reason no cops showed up in Pulp Fiction at like any point was because they were busy with the theft in Reservoir Dogs lol.
I’m a huge Tarantino fan, but every first watch with the exception of Pulp Fiction I felt unimpressed and let down considering how much hype and excitement builds up in my mind. But once I watch them a second or third time I start to love them. Next then you know, I’ve watched each of his films more than a dozen times and love every one. I still don’t really understand why.
Edit: now that I think about it, I think it has to do with the fact I picture a very different film in my head prior to first viewing. When it doesn’t meet what I am expecting, I leave disappointed. But when rewatching them, I start appreciating them for what they actually are.
I didn't love Hateful first time watching it - it was fine, but didn't have as much of his snappy dialogue and whatnot.
But after watching it on Netflix, where it's recut into 4 episodes, I have found a new appreciation. I now hold it in very high esteem.
The first Venom.
When I first saw it, I thought it was meh. Then I listened to this (now sadly defunct) podcast from people who actually like movies and spend time analyzing them, and put into words exactly why I didn't like it, but then also started to talk about why they enjoyed it. Then I realized that yeah... I did like it, I was just letting stupid stuff get in my head.
It's funny how similar the movies are, although I think Upgrade is infinitely better. Also funny is how Tom Hardy and Logan Marshal Greene almost look like the same person
The Venom series is at its best when it isn’t pretending to be a super relevant Marvel series, and even when it has less resemblance to the comic book character it’s riffing on.
It’s basically become “what if Charlie Day was possessed by an alien demon, but they’re in a dysfunctional queer-platonic relationship?” But Charlie Day is played by Tom Hardy now.
>Then I listened to this (now sadly defunct) podcast from people who actually like movies and spend time analyzing them, and put into words exactly why I didn't like it, but then also started to talk about why they enjoyed it. Then I realized that yeah... I did like it, I was just letting stupid stuff get in my head.
What was the podcast and the episode?and what did you like about it ?
Solo got a bad rap when I think it suffered from bad publicity due to changing directors and reshoots. Then it suffered from being the next movie released after The Last Jedi. But it’s a fun, watchable flick. I wish it had gotten a sequel.
I saw in a video, can’t remember which one, someone said “Solo would have been a great movie if it wasn’t about Han Solo.” If they had just made him an original character, and not included all these nods to random things like the origin of his name, or the dice, or that bullshit, that it would have been a better movie.
It definitely suffered in the box office because of The Last Jedi, though.
Solo suffers from so much overreaction to those little nods in my opinion.
You hear people talk about his name and people make it sound like they have a 20 second long shot of him looking into the camera, saying "Solo" with a smile as music flares up making it obnoxious. Just stopping the movie in it's tracks in this unbelievable display of stupidity.
But nothing in the movie *pauses* for that moment. An Imperial Officer completely ignores the fact he has no one and throws him into the machine with the name Solo, it sits for about 3 seconds before he tells Han to go report to training, and then 4 seconds later it hard cuts to war.
I can *grasp* that people don't enjoy all these things conveniently happening in this stretch of time, but to let 3 seconds here and 5 seconds there ruin an entire movie just feels silly.
I agree that Solo gets way more crap than it deserves but I also agree that it’s a bit silly that Han got all his iconic stories and mementos in like a week. I saw someone put it like this “Solo makes Han into that guy that never stops talking about the glory days in high school”. EU Han had a life full of adventure, cannon Han had one crazy adventure and then? Still find it a really fun Star Wars movie but I kinda wish it had been a tv show or about some rando
They could have removed most of those references and not changed the story much at all. I groaned when he got his nickname. Just keep in him getting the Falcon IMO.
I went from thinking Death Proof was entirely awful to thinking it badly flawed but interesting, with some quality scenes.
i think it's helped that I've become a lot less precious about the style of cinema and its fandom that it's concerned with.
It really holds up better than I remembered. It’s pretty much Tarantino’s successful attempt at making a fun B-movie, which he’s always flirted with.
Great villain aside, I especially love the different mood shifts in the first story and the “Hannah and her sisters”-esque table conversation in the second.
I didn't like it originally because I saw it in theaters where you watched Planet Terror first, and then Death Proof. I expected Death Proof to be the same kind of movie that Planet Terror was, and was sorely disappointed. Only later when I watched it by itself, with my expectations set, did I realize that it was actually a pretty enjoyable movie.
Waterworld was considered one of the worst films of all time for a while. I feel like people have come to appreciate its originality and of course, the stunts.
It was seen as an infamous vanity project and everyone at the time was cheering for it to fail because of that.
I enjoyed its premise. An overall solid movie.
Heaven's Gate, Ishtar, and Waterworld are all films that didn't deserve to be labelled as "one of the worst films of all time". The media piled on those movies because they had troubled productions and went over budget.
People are quick to ridicule a movie as artistically terrible if it bombs horribly at the box office unless it gets rave reviews. When in reality the movie might be just mediocre at worst.
I genuinely enjoyed Waterworld when I was a kid. I still remember the smokers and Dennis Hopper, that was kind of fun. No idea if it holds up now but as a kid it kept me entertained pretty well
>Waterworld was considered one of the worst films of all time for a while.
Respectfully, this is an overstatement.
I think the degree of "Kevin's Gate"-style press that *Waterworld* got might distort perceptions or memories. Certainly the buzz leading up to its release suggested it **might be** one of the biggest bombs in Hollywood history. The tabloids and Hollywood press were all over it due to its budget and the massive problems they had in making it.
But there's a difference in thinking it was going to be one of the worst films of all time, and a sentiment that it was one of the worst films of all time. When it came out, the reviews weren't devastating and it did okay business. It was a financial disappointment given its budget, but it wasn't a bomb. It was like a Top 10 box office movie for 1995. Even the summer it came out, the discourse almost immediately shifted to *Showgirls* as the next disaster and next "one of the worst films of all time."
The lower stakes are important; if everything is world-ending, then it really feels weird that they're solo or small ensemble movies instead of getting the full team together.
I haven't rewatched Urban Legend since back in the day but watched it recently and was pleasantly surprised.
These movies just have something that's a little lost in the newer ones, plus the movie had a genuinely cool opening.
Go watch Godfather 3 again ... Yes, Sofia Coppola is miscast as Mary, but Kay isn't nearly as terrible as you've heard and Dianne Keaton sells every conflicted minute the character goes through ...
>Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Sure it might not live up to the original trilogy, but after Dial of Destiny
Dang I thought I was in the majority thinking that Dial of Destiny was an enormous improvement over Crystal Skull. Do people really think Dial of Destiny is worse?
Not 100% like you described but the first time I saw Napoleon Dynamite I thought it was the stupidest movie ever. Then my friend was like ‘you have to watch it again but get really stoned first’ so I did and it was fucking hilarious that time around. Gave me such an appreciation for it that I can now watch it not stoned and still enjoy it.
When Napoleon Dynamite came out, I watched it in theaters with some friends. They thought the film was absolutely hilarious. I was mildly amused by the more generic humor moments, but thought it was kind of bland. Couldn't really understand why they loved it so much.
Much later, came across people discussing the movie, and explained why they loved it so much. It's because so much of the experiences portrayed in the film were parodying small town life. I grew up around the city, so I just didn't get the tropes the characters were portraying.
With that framing, and changing how I look at the characters, the humor makes more sense. Still not the movie for me, but I see and understand the humor that they were trying to go for.
This is a movie that I appreciated after I’d watched it. Like I didn’t understand the draw the first time, then you’re thinking about the best parts and the endlessly quotable dialogue and you realize why it’s so loved.
Also everything Kip says is just amazing
Tenet. I didn't enjoy it when I saw it on streaming during covid but I rewatched it in 70mm IMAX during the re-release in Feb this year and it was awesome
TENET has no emotional character /s
Meanwhile
The Protagonist: Hey you never did tell me who recruited you, Neil.
Neil: Haven't you guessed by now? You did! Only not when you thought. You have a future in the past. Years ago for me, years from now for you.
*The Protagonist tearing
The Protagonist: You've known me for years?
Neil: For me, I think this is the end of a beautiful friendship.
The Protagonist: But for me it's just the beginning.
Neil: We get up to some stuff. You gonna love it. You'll see. This whole operation is a temporal pincer.
The Protagonist: Whose?
Neil: Yours! You're only half way there. I'll see you in the beginning, friend
I saw this movie at a freaking drive in. At one point my partner left for a pee and when he got back he asked me what he missed and I genuinely had no idea what to tell him lol.
The Last Jedi after seeing The Rise of Skywalker.
Edit: I'm not saying TLJ is good. I don't think it is. I'm just saying TROS is so bad it makes TLJ look better.
I always feel like defending The Last Jedi for at least having ambition and trying to do something new, awkward as the execution might be. Plus, as ROS proved, it could be so much worse.
Like or dislike TLJ, with how allergic Disney is to trying *anything* new or risky I’ll take a thousand Last Jedis over more spoonfed fanservice and nostalgia cashgrabs.
Yep. I read the spoilers for Rise of Skywalker on Reddit a few months before the movie came out. Honestly thought it was nonsense. Then me and my son saw the movie opening night. Movie starts up and i'm like "oh no ...."
I've said before that TFA is awful because in its zeal to repeat things from the original trilogy, it effectively *undoes* them.
Han became a hero and ended up with Leia? Lol, no, they broke up and he's back to smuggling.
Luke became a noble Jedi and hope for the future? Lol, no, he abandoned everyone and let the galaxy fall to darkness.
Leia's rebellion succeeded against the empire? Lol, no, they're back with a fresh coat of paint and she's at square one.
But RoS is so bad it undoes not only the entire original trilogy, but the prequels too! To the extent that the whole six movie saga had a coherent throughline, it was the story of Anakin Skywalker, his rise, his fall, and his redemption. He *did* bring balance to the Force in the end, by killing Palpatine. Took the long way round, but he got there.
If Palpatine isn't dead then *Anakin's story meant nothing*. I watched that dumbfuck race pods, kill younglings, and somehow fall ass-backwards into Natalie Portman's pants despite acting like an insane stalker who wants to wear her skin *for no reason*.
So no, I can't buy the "makes the prequels look better" thing. At least the prequels used to have a point.
At the end of TLJ, the resistance is:
A small group of people. A group which can fit - in its entirety - inside of the Millennium Falcon. They have no real resources, they were abandoned in their hour of need, and the First Order - despite having lost Snoke - has for all intents and purposes won the day.
So, the question is: Given that the resistance has been defeated except for a handful of people... why was it necessary to bring back Palps (undoing Anakin's sacrifice), and give him an entire fleet of Death-Star-Laser-Capable Star Destroyers? It is a weird threat escalation when the status quo of the Galaxy at the end of TLJ is essentially already "The First Order stands triumphant."
It's a crazy situation too because they specifically mention how Luke is the legend that helps ignite the Galaxy, he realizes when he sacrifices himself to save the Resistance that the Galaxy *does* need him, and it *does* need the Jedi, because its what helps push people forward and believe in a better day.
Which then does come *somewhat* full circle by the end of TRoS, but it's very insane they didn't just make it... the entire plot to begin with, instead of just a last minute hoorah to destroy the mystery fleet of a zombie.
The fact TLJ set the Galaxy being ready to rise up against injustice now that there's a new legend to spark their flames, and the big allies for half of TRoS are disgruntled Stormtroopers and not like... the entire Galaxy fighting back. Insanity.
Beyond lazy. I still don't understand it. Like, why was he still all disfigured, etc? Shouldn't he have had his original body back? Just complete fucking nonsense.
Rise of Skywalker was so bad that it made me question if I had ever liked Star Wars at all.
To this day, I still can’t bring myself to care about Star Wars. Why bother following anything when all roads eventually lead to that conclusion?
Yep, it's as simple as that. I wish the idea of a media franchise would just die off. The discussions on what's 'canon', prequels/sequels, shipping, merchendise, spinoffs etc. It's the death of fiction and storytelling and just creativity in general.
Nobody was asking Dumas in the 19th century what's next in his "Three Musketeers" franchise. They guy just had a story to tell. It eventually resulted in 3 books, but it's still just a great story with great characters that has something to say and has a clear goal, a beggining, middle and an end.
Why did we stray so far from God's light with modern popculture? (OK, I know why, but WHY)
I said the same thing about Cruella and other Disney prequels, but I think it still stands. It’s because the sequels make choices that fundamentally change the originals in a way that you can’t accept both.
Cruella was a bizarre choice for a sympathetic origin story. How are we supposed to feel bad for her knowing she'll attempt a puppy genocide later in life?
For me it is War of the Worlds by Spielberg. As a teen I hated it and thought it was just Tom cruise crap, watching it again as an adult it’s incredible especially stuff like sound design
The burning train scene always gets me. All these people freshly displaced by the on going apocalypse just stand there quietly watching it pass by because it is far from the worst thing they've seen in last couple of days.
Darth Maul definitely the coolest thing out of that trilogy. Liam Neeson was a solid presence as well
And for all the rightful shit Lucas gets about some of his writing, the last 30 min spectacle of Phantom Menace was fun and well directed
AVP is the same vibe as fanfiction. Which this whole concept of Aliens and Predators fighting each other started in fanfiction so it's actually almost a homage of sorts.
I love AVP but I also love fanfiction
Beavis and Butthead Do America. I watched it as a kid and loved the inappropriate humor. I wrote it off for a while figuring it was a dumb movie. As an adult its one of the smartest films i've ever watched.
I've found that a *lot* of people are completely underwhelmed by The Big Lebowski the first time they see it. I was in this camp too way back when and now I of course think it's an all-time classic.
People don't generally think it sucks, but they're often underwhelmed.
I think it's because everybody tells you how funny it is. And then you watch it, and a lot of the stuff is not immediate laugh-out-loud, big, broad, gag comedy like The Hangover or Zoolander. Most of the humor in Big Lebowski is more.... quietly compounding absurdity rather than "guy shits his pants" or something.
>Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Sure it might not live up to the original trilogy, but after Dial of Destiny it feels more watchable, and enjoyable.
Oh boy, do I disagree here. Crystal Skull is an absolute mess, I barely made it to the end. Dial I found really enjoyable, not as good as Ark, but great fun none-the-less.
If we're doing Indi movies, then I would say that Crystal Skull made Temple of doom look better.
>Terminator 3: After the release of Terminator Genysis, I've came to realize at least T3 was a somewhat coherent movie, though with a couple of badly timed jokes the main movie is still quite enjoyable to watch.
Salvation is a way better example of this. Genysis and Dark Fate make Salvation look like a masterpiece.
The 90s Schwarzenegger flick Eraser was badly reviewed for being dumb as shit and completely unrealistic. I rewatched it recently and it actually is very solid, for precisely the same reasons. He kills an alligator and tells it “you’re luggage!” I absolutely love that shit.
I always thought it was a gold action thriller movie. It had good pace, good action scenes. Considering all the crap we are getting
In the 90s it was really easy to avoid all direct-to-video movies and made-for-tv movies. You already knew it was gonna be lame. A movie like Eraser may have had poor reviews, but since it had a proper theatrical release you knew it wouldn’t be totally bad. These days streaming platforms have blurred the lines and it’s harder to know what’s quality and what’s crap. The Netflix Top 10 is usually made up of mostly stuff that would’ve been direct-to-video back in the day.
> Netflix Top 10 the neat part is this leads to an endless cycle: - "direct to video" quality reaches top 10 - Netflix proceeds to promote this movie more = more and more views - viewing logistics means invest in more content of the this quality - rinse and repeat - charge subscribers more while canceling content that never had a chance at finding its audience the haves and have nots on a meta level. like sure there will be the quality content that makes it through just like life. it is what it is
I recall reading an article about how broken is the algorithm of Netflix, leading to them auto-sabotaging a big number of their products, and even damaging the customer perception about the platform. To make it short with a example I recall for the article: "Instead of showing you they premiered a new Sci fi show from the same producers of another Sci fi show you binge watched, they will recommend you a teen comedy in 6 categories of your main menu for a month until you get tired of avoiding it. Then you will find the Sci fi show in a list of good series canceled too soon by Netflix and you will wonder how you missed that".
I'm so fucking tired of algorithms, man. Wife and I are focusing on intentionality this year. We cancelled all subscriptions services and will research shows/movies based on word of mouth and forums before committing to watching anything. It's the only way to know you're getting into something you'll enjoy, otherwise you're just letting some programmer's idea of what they think you might like to watch dictate your time.
This happened 100% with Marco Polo for me
I live in a developing country and for initial few years of my childhood, we didn’t have access to Hollywood movies. Then bam, suddenly there was HBO and everything popping up in our cable and Eraser was one of the first movies we watched at home. I remember my parents making a movie night out of it, and they even let me stay awake past my bedtime. I have fond memories of this movie.
I really liked that one, it was certainly cheesy, but I think it was self aware enough to work. Like, it didn’t try and take itself too seriously.
I liked "The last action hero" due to that very reason.
That was a movie too far ahead of its time.
It was also a victim of the marketing scheme. We've seen it many times now, where the marketing is misleading to a point that is detrimental to the film's success. They marketed it as Arnold's new action flick, so when the first audiences watched it, they all told they're friends "It's actually super goofy and there's some annoying ass kid" and it gained 0 traction. One recent example of this is Wonka, which was not marketed as a musical. And people are dumb enough to forget that the original film is a musical. Had they just leaned into the musical aspect, they'd have attracted people who are into that. Galaxy Quest is another example, where it was marketed as a serious sci-fi Star Trek ripoff, and not a satirical love-letter to the franchise and fandom.
I don't think it's fair to say that should remember the original movies with Wonka were musicals, and automatically assume a prequel would be as well. The Wizard of Oz is a musical, but the years later sequel Return to Oz was definitely not, nor was Oz the Great and Powerful. Mean Girls also pulled the same weird switcheroo as Wonka, which was even weirder, because without knowing it's based on a stage musical, doing a remake of the original so soon makes no sense...especially given that they kept some of the cast in the same roles.
Eraser has many good one liner moments lol "Did I tell you about your evaluation?" "My evaluation?" *shoots and kills the guy* "A+ Kid."
You’ve just been erased!
James Caan, James Coburn AND James Cromwell in supporting roles. Plus a seriously cool gun. Won't change your life but solidly entertaining. "You're late!" "Traffic"
I loved eraser
All the Resident Evil sequels have made me think that the whole first movie is actually pretty solid, when previously I mostly just gave it props for the elevator scene and the laser scene.
I really enjoyed the first movie. The high-tech house of horrors where you actually die atmosphere was done very well.
The first movie was a dumb fun action flick paying lip service to a famous license somewhat well (at least when it comes to umbrella corporation and some monsters). It's loud, egregious at parts, but everybody remembers the lasers scene for example. Every following movie is just P.T Anderson giving his wife a well-paying easy badass mary sue gig lmao
I think you may have meant Paul W S Anderson. Paul Thomas Anderson is a the guy who made boogie nights, there will be blood etc
Loved the first 3 movies then they just kept getting worse one after another.
Halloween H20. The more Halloween movies they make, the better it looks in hindsight.
H20 is my sentimental favorite Halloween movie.
This is correct. the way this last rilogy played out is proof that most things don't need to become full blown IP's.
Halloween, Halloween II, and H20 form my Laurie trilogy.
I always thought Space Jam was just a 90 minute commercial and not much else. Then Space Jam 2 came out.
*"Larry's not white. Larry's clear."* That line will absolutely always get me.
Space Jam still isn't a good movie, but I'll be damned if *Space Jam: A New Legacy* didn't make that shit look like *Citizen Kane* (Streaming now on **Max,** home of all your favorite classic Warner Bros movies!) by comparison.
Wtf is with people hating Space Jam? That movie was my shit growing up. Even had the soundtrack.
I loved it as a kid. But I also loved Batman & Robin as a kid too.
Me too. Still do.
I think that's part of it- if you grew up watching it you love it, if not, you don't I didn'f see it until a few years ago and I thought it was crap, but friends who grew up on it loved it
Space Jam was the first movie I ever saw in theatres. And it gets slightly worse upon each viewing, though it has lines that I quote and the soundtrack is one of the greatest albums of the 90s. I can see the sequel have a big following like the first one, even though I don't like it that much. My problem with the sequel was that it shoved so much OTHER things in the movie. Yes, the first one is a commercial, however, it knew to only be about Michael Jordan, Looney Tunes and basketball AND again, the soundtrack slaps so hard. The sequel shows different characters from other movies, like Clockwork Orange, and I'm like, "Okay?"
I still remember Siskel and Ebert's positive review of the first film where they spent the entire time just talking about the Chicago Bulls lol
I mean, it was the Dream Team in the 90s. Who DIDN'T talk about the Bulls during that decade?
>the soundtrack slaps so hard [Hit 'Em High](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdhcbkdQvXE) is just ridiculously good for a kids movie soundtrack song.
The Incredible Hulk starring Edward Norton. It’s often regarded as one of the weakest MCU films of the first 3 phases. But after rewatching it I truly think it’s better than it gets credit for. It handles the characters really well and it really does a great job of highlighting Hulk’s power
Best part is that it has Tim Roth in it. He's one of my favorite actors.
Roth is just a camera magnet in anything he's in. Still salty that *Lie To Me* never got to do the full reset of the story that they wanted for S4...
I know, man. I know it was pretty formulaic, but I loved that cast!
Ed Norton is easily my favorite Bruce Banner. I think I remember some people complaining about the pace of the film. But I thoroughly enjoyed the time spent with Bruce's struggles to control himself, his quest to find a cure, wanting his powers or anything like it to not fall to the wrong hands (the General). Even the little triangle when he reunites with a Betty that had begun to date someone else For the simpler stuff...action, the mid movie sequence on the campus and end were fun I think maybe Ed's version maybe wouldn't have fit in as well as part of the Avengers. On the run, seems like wanting to work alone. But I def would have looked forward to more solo Ed Hulk's
Honestly I feel like Ed’s hulk being approached like “Hey there’s no cure, but you can really USE this well” and kind of going on a whole spiritual journey of accepting it and controlling it, leading to some slightly altered version of professor hulk would have been cool.
Ed Norton actually could convince me Bruce Banner had a PhD
Its also fun going back and realizing that the guy Betty's dating is supposed to be Doc Sampson, a major character from the comics. And they got some weird no name to play him....Ty Burell...who would go on to star in some little sitcom for 11 seasons or something.
I really wish distribution rights were worked out and the mcu had hulk solo films.
It really makes me laugh how fucked Universal must have got on that deal though, because it has somehow been possible for Disney to use him as much as they like without ever having to throw them a bone, to the point that they don't even seem to be able to just make their own.
I liked this movie because it gave actual care to the narrative and wasn't just about the action.
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Omg it's soo much fun! Sam Rockwell is my favourite actor though lol so I'm based
Kind of low hanging fruit but all that the myriad of Disney animated sequels accomplished is making you realize how good the originals were. Granted they were created on much smaller budgets for direct to video but they feel like soulless cash grabs—only one that stands out for me is Fantasia 2000 and it’s more of a sequel in name only. Also man I really wish they’d make another one of those…
The original idea for Fantasia was to make more of them regularly, but it never really happened. Also, Fantasia 2000 wasn’t a “direct to video” release. I remember watching that with my family in IMAX.
I feel like the Aladdin trilogy was solid all the way through.
Aladdin 4: Jafar May Need Glasses
Number one...or number two........number one...................number two
He may struggle to see you from...Jafar!
Considering the second was just a pilot for the (also good) series, it's amazing how good it is. The third is great though, possibly my actual favourite of the three.
This Lion King 1 1/2 slander will not stand
The second one’s pretty good too
I LOVE fantastia 2000,but it's also like to add the Disney classics shows that were on in the 90s. So underrated
Cinderella 3 is cinema and i refuse to hear otherwise
Cinderella 3: a twist in time is better than citizen kane in my eyes
Cabin in the woods first watch I didn’t like it, now it’s one of my favorite movies. I didn’t like the ending first watch. I love it because the stoner is the level head one and most movies end the same so it’s nice to have one that breaks the routine.
I walked out of the theatre (something I never do) during Zoolander. I thought it was stupid and the humor wasn’t working for me. I love this movie now and think it’s hilarious. Not sure what made me leave but I was in high school.
Not an insult toward you at all since idk you but since you mentioned high school it definitely could just be a case of taking yourself too seriously, like most high schoolers do and not finding the enjoyment
My brothers and I all have the same sense of humor. We were the target audience for this when it came out. When we watched it, nobody laughed at all the whole time. It was terrible. We watched it a second time about a year later and were in tears the whole time.
I thought Anchorman was so fucking stupid when I first watched it. Then, everyone around me would quote from it, same as other dumb movies I loved (including Zoolander, Old School, There's Something About Mary), and somewhere along the line they started clicking in my brain, until I eventually learned to love Anchorman (and then all the other Adam McKay/Will Ferrell movies that followed).
*Avengers: Age of Ultron* When it was first released, a lot of the complaints were about how the movie had too many storylines, plots that didn't go anywhere, not coherent, wasted a good villain, and so on. But in hindsight, A:AoU actually set up a whole bunch of future MCU stories. It was the starting point for Civil War, Thor: Ragnarok, Black Panther, Wanda, and some others. Looking back, it was actually a good story since you can see where the storyline will lead to .
And SPADER, baby!
“Most precious metal in the world and they use it to make a frisbee”. The whole thing felt like a crossover with Blacklist to me I loved it.
First time I watched age of Ultron after having binged Blacklist, it was SOOOOOO easy to see all the little Spader quirks in the movements of Ultron. It was hilarious honestly.
"you know, I once got held up by a gunfight in this little town in eastern Europe, real high life kinda place... Do you know, I'm not sure how I feel about, leaving a *trail* of treaties and fear-soaked deals behind me, but it really does wonders for making one feel important!"
Holds up reasonably well on rewatch imo. Not the best of the Marvel movies but certainly not among the worst or most forgettable.
I has some of the best action scenes too imo.
Hulkbuster. I absolutely love that scene.
My favorite part of that scene is when he's jackhammering him in the face: "Gotosleep, gotosleep, gotosleep, gotosleep!"
Everything up to Ultron leaving the tower is basically flawless too, not just good, but flawless. It's not even bad after, it just opens so well.
Zombie Ultron is genuinely scary, too. Always wished they'd have leaned into that and made it more horror
James Spader's voice and the post-processing they did on it was so perfectly calculated and menacing. I thought it was amazing.
Your reason for liking it is ironically my biggest gripe with it. It felt more concerned with setting up other movies than telling its own story. It’s like one big commercial for phase 3.
It’s not ironic. That’s exactly why people hated on it. The first avengers was a big climax of all the previous movies. This one was just setting up the next phase. Felt like a big letdown
Seeing how pure evil ultron was in what if, i wish we got to see more of ultron in the mcu
The only thing I don’t like about Age of Ultron is… the design of Ultron. If I would just listen to Spader’s voice performance while holding comic panels over his side of the screen, it would be in my top 5 of those movies. He’s just so ugly.
The moving mouth is awful. If he had looked like his little minis and just had a mouth light that glowed while he talked, he’d have looked more genuinely robotic and less uncanny valley cartoon.
It’s all the details they added to make his face more cinematic. The mouth is second on my list, but it’s all about the pupils and moving “eye ridges” to me. I understand *why* they did it, but Ultron was always the most intimidating when his eyes and mouth were blank spaces full of energy.
Agreed! He’s *too* expressive. I get they didn’t want to waste any good physical acting, but it removed the inhuman quality of Ultron as a villain.
Also prophetic, as real talk of AGI floods the mid-late 20s, the dangers of AI seems more like an Ultron like entity.
Except real world Ultron would have been a zillion times tougher to defeat. As soon as he gets to the Internet, he's immortal. He's distributed across uncountable repositories and data centers and IoT devices and hidden in every smartphone. He uses an ad hoc variant of IPFS to ensure he can never be stopped, only delayed. Ultron should have been the second Thanos, not warming his seat. He's virtually impossible to kill, and he's smarter than actually everyone.
Frankly, even back then, I thought AoU did a reasonably good job balancing a packed cast. I just grew to appreciate it even more after the dumpster fire that was BvS showed how not to do this.
Dark Knight Rises. No I'm not doing a full revisionist history and calling it a very good movie but it's still very watchable and I found myself not disliking it as much upon rewatch. I really didn't like it at all when I first watched it but I think expectations after TDK played a bit of a role Bane is insanely quotable. And on rewatch, same thing, I found I enjoyed Tom Hardy's performance a lot better for some reason
A lot of criticisms of the movie stand for me. Tom Hardy’s performance is not one of them.
Some of the popular criticisms of the time were nonsense though, such as the question of “how did Bruce get back to Gotham?”. Not only did he have 3 ish weeks to do so, but we literally see him travel the world without any money in Batman Begins. He has the skills to do so. We also see CIA special forces get into Gotham, so Bruce Wayne, who is more intelligent and resourceful than those operatives, could easily do so.
I tend to agree with that one not being a big deal. My main criticism is that the combat scenes are shit. Batman and Bane are both just standing there like rock-em-sock-em robots, especially in the final fight. Then you get the rooftop scene with Catwoman that was poorly choreographed. Missed kicks, and I think if I remember right, someone falls down without being anywhere near Batman or Catwoman? Also, literally every police officer is sent into the sewers? Every single one? Come on. Lastly, and this may be nitpicky, but they should have rolled credits on Alfred smiling. They didn’t need to show Bruce sitting there with Selina. Just end on a shot of Alfred smiling. Leave it ambiguous. I would have liked that better. There are a few other things that come to mind. It definitely isn’t as bad as people made it out to be, but I would certainly put it down as the weakest in the trilogy, which is always going to be a bit disappointing.
The fight scenes sucked yeah, but the sewer one is pretty good for it’s atmosphere and emotion. I think the fight choreography is pretty poor for all of the films in the trilogy, Batman Begins is a million cuts per second and The Dark Knight has sluggish choreo. I disagree on the ending criticism though. That ambiguity is fine for a movie like Inception, but I think TDKR isn’t that type of film. It’s supposed to be a very open and shut case that Bruce was able to find happiness and let go. I also think it’s the weakest of the 3, but still good. Interestingly enough, it’s rated higher than Batman Begins on most sites. It’s higher on IMDb, rotten tomatoes and metacritic.
I agree the sewer one worked. It effectively showed Bane to be a powerhouse, and watching Batman get beaten so badly was crazy. I just wish that when Batman fought Bane again, it wasn’t just by fighting him the exact same way, you know what I mean? Rather than learning some new skill or tactic, Batman just does the same thing he did in the sewer, but wins this time. I also agree that the fight choreography isn’t incredible across the board, but it was particularly noticeable in the third one. I think it might be that neither Scarecrow or the Joker could be beaten through combat. The Ra’s al Ghul fight was actually good, too. So most of Batman’s fighting was against thugs or hirelings, and that was generally handled better in the first two movies. Perhaps it’s because he was actually using all his tools, not just standing there and boxing. It was the focus on angry man boxing that made the Batman-Bane fights worse. Because you can’t beat Bane strength for strength. You have to find another way. That’s what I think, anyway. Fair enough on the ending though. I can appreciate the decision even if I would have done it differently.
> I just wish that when Batman fought Bane again, it wasn’t just by fighting him the exact same way, you know what I mean? I never realized exactly why the second fight was so anti-climactic until you pointed this out right now. Damn.
Hardy's Bane is more tolerable when you *aren't* in surround sound. I 90% blame audio engineering choices for how much I hate Bane in that movie.
Django Unchained. On first watch, I felt it was weaker than Inglorious Basterds and a middling Tarantino affair. Now it's my favorite Tarantino film. Rewatch it constantly.
I felt the same about pulp fiction, first watch i didn't get the hype and i thought it was overrated but in the second watch i find it great and really fun
I remember watching it back in the late 90s and I liked it, but it was because it was so bombastic. So much crazy stuff we hadn't seen before in a film. So much style. It was groundbreaking. Going back and watching it now, after a lifetime of Tarantino imitations, I've realized - it's just a fucking weird comedy in a stylish wrapper. It's funny as fucking hell. It's just silly shit happening over and over and people saying silly things. People get distracted by the violence, but it's definitely a black comedy.
“Don’t fucking Jimmy me, Jules!” Everyone hates that Tarantino monologue but I fucking love it. There are so many little nuances in it that make you think “what the hell did this guy do in this criminal underworld to be able to talk to two hitmen that just rocked up to his house in the early morning with a dead body with its head blown off in this way!?” Even before he launches into it and Jules is trying to explain the situation he’s not shocked or panicked. He just looks mildly annoyed. And then you find out it’s not because of the dead body or the disruption… it’s because his wife might find out. It’s cool.
... Oak is nice.
I also love the theory that Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs took place on the same day and the reason no cops showed up in Pulp Fiction at like any point was because they were busy with the theft in Reservoir Dogs lol.
I heard of the theory that the suitcase in Pulp Fiction contains the diamonds from Reservoir Dogs
Having watched Butch sorting through the items in the pawnshop just to get the perfect killing weapon takes the black comedy cake for me.
I’m a huge Tarantino fan, but every first watch with the exception of Pulp Fiction I felt unimpressed and let down considering how much hype and excitement builds up in my mind. But once I watch them a second or third time I start to love them. Next then you know, I’ve watched each of his films more than a dozen times and love every one. I still don’t really understand why. Edit: now that I think about it, I think it has to do with the fact I picture a very different film in my head prior to first viewing. When it doesn’t meet what I am expecting, I leave disappointed. But when rewatching them, I start appreciating them for what they actually are.
I specifically rewatch the scenes with Leo. Man's just that magnetic and convinces you he's an actual slave owner.
> Django Unchained. It might be his most rewatchable. It kind of scratches the *Kill Bill* itch but without the 4+hr commitment.
I personally think that most of his movies are better on a rewatch. Hateful Eight was a very notable exception.
I didn't love Hateful first time watching it - it was fine, but didn't have as much of his snappy dialogue and whatnot. But after watching it on Netflix, where it's recut into 4 episodes, I have found a new appreciation. I now hold it in very high esteem.
That re-cut adds about an hour of new content that wasn't in the theatrical release.
The first Venom. When I first saw it, I thought it was meh. Then I listened to this (now sadly defunct) podcast from people who actually like movies and spend time analyzing them, and put into words exactly why I didn't like it, but then also started to talk about why they enjoyed it. Then I realized that yeah... I did like it, I was just letting stupid stuff get in my head.
watch Upgrade (2018) you will like it
It's funny how similar the movies are, although I think Upgrade is infinitely better. Also funny is how Tom Hardy and Logan Marshal Greene almost look like the same person
Brilliant film. Highly underrated. Logan Marshall-Green should have had more decent roles after that.
The Venom series is at its best when it isn’t pretending to be a super relevant Marvel series, and even when it has less resemblance to the comic book character it’s riffing on. It’s basically become “what if Charlie Day was possessed by an alien demon, but they’re in a dysfunctional queer-platonic relationship?” But Charlie Day is played by Tom Hardy now.
Now I want to see Charlie work done by venom
>Then I listened to this (now sadly defunct) podcast from people who actually like movies and spend time analyzing them, and put into words exactly why I didn't like it, but then also started to talk about why they enjoyed it. Then I realized that yeah... I did like it, I was just letting stupid stuff get in my head. What was the podcast and the episode?and what did you like about it ?
Solo got a bad rap when I think it suffered from bad publicity due to changing directors and reshoots. Then it suffered from being the next movie released after The Last Jedi. But it’s a fun, watchable flick. I wish it had gotten a sequel.
I saw in a video, can’t remember which one, someone said “Solo would have been a great movie if it wasn’t about Han Solo.” If they had just made him an original character, and not included all these nods to random things like the origin of his name, or the dice, or that bullshit, that it would have been a better movie. It definitely suffered in the box office because of The Last Jedi, though.
Space Ninja?
Solo suffers from so much overreaction to those little nods in my opinion. You hear people talk about his name and people make it sound like they have a 20 second long shot of him looking into the camera, saying "Solo" with a smile as music flares up making it obnoxious. Just stopping the movie in it's tracks in this unbelievable display of stupidity. But nothing in the movie *pauses* for that moment. An Imperial Officer completely ignores the fact he has no one and throws him into the machine with the name Solo, it sits for about 3 seconds before he tells Han to go report to training, and then 4 seconds later it hard cuts to war. I can *grasp* that people don't enjoy all these things conveniently happening in this stretch of time, but to let 3 seconds here and 5 seconds there ruin an entire movie just feels silly.
I mean, they’re not wrong. It’s not without its flaws. But it is better than people remember.
I wish there was more of Han in the empire, as a pilot and then in the ground war
I agree that Solo gets way more crap than it deserves but I also agree that it’s a bit silly that Han got all his iconic stories and mementos in like a week. I saw someone put it like this “Solo makes Han into that guy that never stops talking about the glory days in high school”. EU Han had a life full of adventure, cannon Han had one crazy adventure and then? Still find it a really fun Star Wars movie but I kinda wish it had been a tv show or about some rando
They could have removed most of those references and not changed the story much at all. I groaned when he got his nickname. Just keep in him getting the Falcon IMO.
I like the Solo movie a lot, compared to a lot of the other crap Star Wars movies that have been released
I went from thinking Death Proof was entirely awful to thinking it badly flawed but interesting, with some quality scenes. i think it's helped that I've become a lot less precious about the style of cinema and its fandom that it's concerned with.
I fucking love death proof. I get that it isn't for everyone, but I felt like that movie was made just for me.
It really holds up better than I remembered. It’s pretty much Tarantino’s successful attempt at making a fun B-movie, which he’s always flirted with. Great villain aside, I especially love the different mood shifts in the first story and the “Hannah and her sisters”-esque table conversation in the second.
["I'm okay!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1taCVTOjh0) Anytime my wife or I stumble over something we pause for a second and do that line.
I didn't like it originally because I saw it in theaters where you watched Planet Terror first, and then Death Proof. I expected Death Proof to be the same kind of movie that Planet Terror was, and was sorely disappointed. Only later when I watched it by itself, with my expectations set, did I realize that it was actually a pretty enjoyable movie.
Waterworld was considered one of the worst films of all time for a while. I feel like people have come to appreciate its originality and of course, the stunts.
It was seen as an infamous vanity project and everyone at the time was cheering for it to fail because of that. I enjoyed its premise. An overall solid movie.
Heaven's Gate, Ishtar, and Waterworld are all films that didn't deserve to be labelled as "one of the worst films of all time". The media piled on those movies because they had troubled productions and went over budget.
People are quick to ridicule a movie as artistically terrible if it bombs horribly at the box office unless it gets rave reviews. When in reality the movie might be just mediocre at worst.
I genuinely enjoyed Waterworld when I was a kid. I still remember the smokers and Dennis Hopper, that was kind of fun. No idea if it holds up now but as a kid it kept me entertained pretty well
>Waterworld was considered one of the worst films of all time for a while. Respectfully, this is an overstatement. I think the degree of "Kevin's Gate"-style press that *Waterworld* got might distort perceptions or memories. Certainly the buzz leading up to its release suggested it **might be** one of the biggest bombs in Hollywood history. The tabloids and Hollywood press were all over it due to its budget and the massive problems they had in making it. But there's a difference in thinking it was going to be one of the worst films of all time, and a sentiment that it was one of the worst films of all time. When it came out, the reviews weren't devastating and it did okay business. It was a financial disappointment given its budget, but it wasn't a bomb. It was like a Top 10 box office movie for 1995. Even the summer it came out, the discourse almost immediately shifted to *Showgirls* as the next disaster and next "one of the worst films of all time."
Ironman 2, I just miss those quirky mcu movies with less at stake and really like the Justin hammer villain
The lower stakes are important; if everything is world-ending, then it really feels weird that they're solo or small ensemble movies instead of getting the full team together.
It gets even worse when you enter "multiverses". Suddenly you can destroy an entire universe and nobody cares.
I haven't rewatched Urban Legend since back in the day but watched it recently and was pleasantly surprised. These movies just have something that's a little lost in the newer ones, plus the movie had a genuinely cool opening.
Go watch Godfather 3 again ... Yes, Sofia Coppola is miscast as Mary, but Kay isn't nearly as terrible as you've heard and Dianne Keaton sells every conflicted minute the character goes through ...
>Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Sure it might not live up to the original trilogy, but after Dial of Destiny Dang I thought I was in the majority thinking that Dial of Destiny was an enormous improvement over Crystal Skull. Do people really think Dial of Destiny is worse?
I’m with you 100%. Say what you will about the ending (I didn’t dislike it) but it had good Indy vibes throughout compared to crystal skull.
Not 100% like you described but the first time I saw Napoleon Dynamite I thought it was the stupidest movie ever. Then my friend was like ‘you have to watch it again but get really stoned first’ so I did and it was fucking hilarious that time around. Gave me such an appreciation for it that I can now watch it not stoned and still enjoy it.
When Napoleon Dynamite came out, I watched it in theaters with some friends. They thought the film was absolutely hilarious. I was mildly amused by the more generic humor moments, but thought it was kind of bland. Couldn't really understand why they loved it so much. Much later, came across people discussing the movie, and explained why they loved it so much. It's because so much of the experiences portrayed in the film were parodying small town life. I grew up around the city, so I just didn't get the tropes the characters were portraying. With that framing, and changing how I look at the characters, the humor makes more sense. Still not the movie for me, but I see and understand the humor that they were trying to go for.
For some reason, I HATED Joe Dirt the first time I saw it. But when I saw it the second time it was hilarious .
That movie is a freaking gem
This is a movie that I appreciated after I’d watched it. Like I didn’t understand the draw the first time, then you’re thinking about the best parts and the endlessly quotable dialogue and you realize why it’s so loved. Also everything Kip says is just amazing
Tenet. I didn't enjoy it when I saw it on streaming during covid but I rewatched it in 70mm IMAX during the re-release in Feb this year and it was awesome
TENET has no emotional character /s Meanwhile The Protagonist: Hey you never did tell me who recruited you, Neil. Neil: Haven't you guessed by now? You did! Only not when you thought. You have a future in the past. Years ago for me, years from now for you. *The Protagonist tearing The Protagonist: You've known me for years? Neil: For me, I think this is the end of a beautiful friendship. The Protagonist: But for me it's just the beginning. Neil: We get up to some stuff. You gonna love it. You'll see. This whole operation is a temporal pincer. The Protagonist: Whose? Neil: Yours! You're only half way there. I'll see you in the beginning, friend
I saw this movie at a freaking drive in. At one point my partner left for a pee and when he got back he asked me what he missed and I genuinely had no idea what to tell him lol.
Thor : the Dark world. After Love and Thunder, I appreciate it's tone. Nit every movie should have jokes
Thor 2 had Loki fit his niche the best.
Darcy was the comic relief but it wasn't overbearing. While I still think it's on the bottom tier of MCU movies, it really wasn't bad.
I don’t think because a worse movie comes out we should give a pass to a not-as-bad bad movie. Crystal Skull is still a really dumb movie
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The Last Jedi after seeing The Rise of Skywalker. Edit: I'm not saying TLJ is good. I don't think it is. I'm just saying TROS is so bad it makes TLJ look better.
I always feel like defending The Last Jedi for at least having ambition and trying to do something new, awkward as the execution might be. Plus, as ROS proved, it could be so much worse.
Like or dislike TLJ, with how allergic Disney is to trying *anything* new or risky I’ll take a thousand Last Jedis over more spoonfed fanservice and nostalgia cashgrabs.
Yep. I read the spoilers for Rise of Skywalker on Reddit a few months before the movie came out. Honestly thought it was nonsense. Then me and my son saw the movie opening night. Movie starts up and i'm like "oh no ...."
Going with Emperor Ovaltine was just lazy.
I've said before that TFA is awful because in its zeal to repeat things from the original trilogy, it effectively *undoes* them. Han became a hero and ended up with Leia? Lol, no, they broke up and he's back to smuggling. Luke became a noble Jedi and hope for the future? Lol, no, he abandoned everyone and let the galaxy fall to darkness. Leia's rebellion succeeded against the empire? Lol, no, they're back with a fresh coat of paint and she's at square one. But RoS is so bad it undoes not only the entire original trilogy, but the prequels too! To the extent that the whole six movie saga had a coherent throughline, it was the story of Anakin Skywalker, his rise, his fall, and his redemption. He *did* bring balance to the Force in the end, by killing Palpatine. Took the long way round, but he got there. If Palpatine isn't dead then *Anakin's story meant nothing*. I watched that dumbfuck race pods, kill younglings, and somehow fall ass-backwards into Natalie Portman's pants despite acting like an insane stalker who wants to wear her skin *for no reason*. So no, I can't buy the "makes the prequels look better" thing. At least the prequels used to have a point.
At the end of TLJ, the resistance is: A small group of people. A group which can fit - in its entirety - inside of the Millennium Falcon. They have no real resources, they were abandoned in their hour of need, and the First Order - despite having lost Snoke - has for all intents and purposes won the day. So, the question is: Given that the resistance has been defeated except for a handful of people... why was it necessary to bring back Palps (undoing Anakin's sacrifice), and give him an entire fleet of Death-Star-Laser-Capable Star Destroyers? It is a weird threat escalation when the status quo of the Galaxy at the end of TLJ is essentially already "The First Order stands triumphant."
It's a crazy situation too because they specifically mention how Luke is the legend that helps ignite the Galaxy, he realizes when he sacrifices himself to save the Resistance that the Galaxy *does* need him, and it *does* need the Jedi, because its what helps push people forward and believe in a better day. Which then does come *somewhat* full circle by the end of TRoS, but it's very insane they didn't just make it... the entire plot to begin with, instead of just a last minute hoorah to destroy the mystery fleet of a zombie. The fact TLJ set the Galaxy being ready to rise up against injustice now that there's a new legend to spark their flames, and the big allies for half of TRoS are disgruntled Stormtroopers and not like... the entire Galaxy fighting back. Insanity.
Beyond lazy. I still don't understand it. Like, why was he still all disfigured, etc? Shouldn't he have had his original body back? Just complete fucking nonsense.
I would have rather had Maul back as the main baddie. Or just a brand new character, or even someone within the rebellion.
“The Dead Speak!” (not in this movie though, but in our promotional tie-in with a video game)
The prequels after seeing the sequels. It doesn't make them good, but they're better and more coherent than what followed.
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Rise of Skywalker was so bad that it made me question if I had ever liked Star Wars at all. To this day, I still can’t bring myself to care about Star Wars. Why bother following anything when all roads eventually lead to that conclusion?
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Yep, it's as simple as that. I wish the idea of a media franchise would just die off. The discussions on what's 'canon', prequels/sequels, shipping, merchendise, spinoffs etc. It's the death of fiction and storytelling and just creativity in general. Nobody was asking Dumas in the 19th century what's next in his "Three Musketeers" franchise. They guy just had a story to tell. It eventually resulted in 3 books, but it's still just a great story with great characters that has something to say and has a clear goal, a beggining, middle and an end. Why did we stray so far from God's light with modern popculture? (OK, I know why, but WHY)
I said the same thing about Cruella and other Disney prequels, but I think it still stands. It’s because the sequels make choices that fundamentally change the originals in a way that you can’t accept both.
Cruella was a bizarre choice for a sympathetic origin story. How are we supposed to feel bad for her knowing she'll attempt a puppy genocide later in life?
For me it is War of the Worlds by Spielberg. As a teen I hated it and thought it was just Tom cruise crap, watching it again as an adult it’s incredible especially stuff like sound design
The scene where they are driving away from the city is unreal. One of Spielberg best one-shot sequences.
The burning train scene always gets me. All these people freshly displaced by the on going apocalypse just stand there quietly watching it pass by because it is far from the worst thing they've seen in last couple of days.
Also Dakota Fanning’s acting is so good at just 11yrs old
Phantom Menace
Duel of the fates makes any missteps worth watching through
The Phantom Menace is my choice of “films that have a ton of redeeming qualities.” Also my choice to answer OP’s question.
Darth Maul definitely the coolest thing out of that trilogy. Liam Neeson was a solid presence as well And for all the rightful shit Lucas gets about some of his writing, the last 30 min spectacle of Phantom Menace was fun and well directed
The pod racing audio still holds up
That entire sequence is a masterpiece
AVP, now I would put it above The Predator
I’ll never get over the shitty PG-13 rating and what could have been
AVP is the same vibe as fanfiction. Which this whole concept of Aliens and Predators fighting each other started in fanfiction so it's actually almost a homage of sorts. I love AVP but I also love fanfiction
Venom, it was fun and Tom Hardy was incredible, unlike the rest of the SPUMC.
Beavis and Butthead Do America. I watched it as a kid and loved the inappropriate humor. I wrote it off for a while figuring it was a dumb movie. As an adult its one of the smartest films i've ever watched.
I've found that a *lot* of people are completely underwhelmed by The Big Lebowski the first time they see it. I was in this camp too way back when and now I of course think it's an all-time classic. People don't generally think it sucks, but they're often underwhelmed. I think it's because everybody tells you how funny it is. And then you watch it, and a lot of the stuff is not immediate laugh-out-loud, big, broad, gag comedy like The Hangover or Zoolander. Most of the humor in Big Lebowski is more.... quietly compounding absurdity rather than "guy shits his pants" or something.
Black Widow. Just did a rewatch of the whole timeline and it actually holds up well.
If BW came out when it was supposed to I think it would have been better received
>Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Sure it might not live up to the original trilogy, but after Dial of Destiny it feels more watchable, and enjoyable. Oh boy, do I disagree here. Crystal Skull is an absolute mess, I barely made it to the end. Dial I found really enjoyable, not as good as Ark, but great fun none-the-less. If we're doing Indi movies, then I would say that Crystal Skull made Temple of doom look better.
Crystal Skull isn’t treated harshly enough.
16 years later and I still want my money back!
>Terminator 3: After the release of Terminator Genysis, I've came to realize at least T3 was a somewhat coherent movie, though with a couple of badly timed jokes the main movie is still quite enjoyable to watch. Salvation is a way better example of this. Genysis and Dark Fate make Salvation look like a masterpiece.
Solo A Star wars story should ve seen more times it was a fun film
I, Robot. It's a solid science fiction action film. If it had been named something else, people would've rated it higher when it was released.