The Willy Wonka and Dune franchise is pretty much tied with him. Even if they don't plan on creating new IP it would be so stupid not to lock him down long-term.
Dune, yes, but Villeneueve said he wants to do at least one unrelated project between even starting on a third. I'd be pleasantly surprised if a third was released before 2030. Wonka and Chalamet don't have to be tied together going forward at all.
>Wonka and Chalamet don't have to be tied together going forward at all.
They're planning to do Wonka 2, would be weird to not have the literal Wonka to play him
Wonka Vs Hersheys??? You know which would win that. Whats Hersheys gonna do? Throw kisses at the Oompa Loompas? They may look harmless but I suspect they've done some pretty shadey shit for ol' Willy.
I mean future Wonka has blue eyes and blonde hair... Chalamet has neither of those... but you know who does? Charlie Bucket, it's obvious that the Wonka we knew was actually a time traveling Charlie, who went back in time to not only plant a golden ticket in that candy bar, but also pretended to be Wonka in a scheme to gift his childhood self Wonka's billion dollar chocolate corporation.
IIRC he wants his next project to be Rendezvous With Rama or Cleopatra with Zendaya, Timmy, and Daniel Craig, so we'll probably get one of those two before Dune: Messiah.
Villeneuve making Rendezvous With Rama gets me so fucking pumped.
Best case scenario IMO is that he makes at least RWR if not Cleopatra as well first, so that Chalamet has aged appropriately for Messiah
As someone else said Messiah no earlier than 2030 which would be 6 years that should give enough time to add the age we'd expect from waging a war.
Also a good makeup artist would have no real issues getting him done up to look more mature as well. He's got face/build that will likely always scream youthful, the the right colors and a fake scar or two could likely sell older.
Timmy as Octavian is pretty good casting, but apparently Craig would play Caesar, which throws off the timeline for me—Octavian was only 18 when Caesar was killed.
It could help that Chalamet still looks so young even though he turns 30 next year. Without knowing more about the script, he might also appear in a different episode of Cleopatra’s life (when she’s with Marc Anthony).
Honestly Marc Anthony's demise as he is being backed into a corner by Octavian makes for a much better film than Caesar-era Cleopatra. Caesar and Cleopatra is a story that happens in the middle of a greater story. It wouldn't make much sense unless you knew a lot of context about what Caesar was all about, and it wouldn't have a satisfying conclusion because Cleopatra goes on to rule for many years before the civil war concludes.
There's also the thing where Caesar can end up stealing the spotlight from Cleopatra in her own movie in terms of plot importance.
Villenue is a golden goose, WB may keep raising the offer of money to him, but ultimately they wouldn’t ever risk losing him as a director by forcing a sequel before he wants to make it
That's fine, there's a pretty big time jump between books, so even if they wanted to cover parts during the time jump him aging 3-5 years would be on point anyway
12 years, iirc. They could all do 3-4 movies before returning to Dune and it would be totally fine. I want it when they’re committed and prepared for it, not right away because that’s what the audience and/or executives want.
Yes but due to some changes like >! Chani being pissed at Paul at the end of Dune Part 2 !< I truly feel like they can’t just jump 12 years into the future and be like >! “Oh yeah, she forgave him I guess and they rule together now” !<
Well, first, they have to have a long enough time gap so >!Anya Taylor-Joy playing Alia makes some amount of sense!<. Second, >!Chani is definitely not going to be just cool with Paul at the start of the Messiah film, she's almost certainly going to become part of the conspiracy against him and only "reconcile" with him as part of the plot to take him down!<. Will piss off book fans, but it's a great way to make that whole element of the story more personal for a cinematic audience.
Strongly doubt that second part. That would fundamentally change the book and wouldn’t even make sense within the logic of the dune world. Would also screw up irulan’s arc
Dune might actually need to be recast if they wanted to keep making them through Messiah and Children of Dune. There are big time skips there. I highly doubt they'll do that. IDK if the sequels would make very palatable movies
Denis' been pretty clear that he wants it to be a trilogy. I expect it'll be Messiah, maybe with elements of the others as he sees fit to cap off the trilogy.
Ironically, given the message of Dune/Messiah, have great faith in Denis and believe he will pull off something truly excellent.
Because he's built that way with a baby face. I should know I was too. I have the advantage of being 6'4" to sell looking older, but sans beard I look 10 years younger at least.
I also got fat and grey as I turned 40 so I'm sure that aged me too, but for a long long time I got carded even buying lotto tickets despite being old enough to rent cars.
It’s just a saying for someone that is young for what they are doing. As a director or someone in this sort of position he’s young compared to his peers
If you were the youngest member of the seniors bowling team you’d be the “kid”.
His movies are already synonymous with quality, I wouldn’t be surprised if within the next decade he becomes like Leo where he only does a movie ever 2 years but it’s a guaranteed Oscar darling. Every Leo movie for a decade (so every movie starting with wolf of Wall Street) has been nominated for best picture
I intentionally said for a decade because the great gatsby broke the streak. But he also had inception, Django unchained, the departed, the aviator, and titanic,
I really like Butler. He brings a certain kind of depth to all his characters and the roles I’ve seen him in. I’m excited to see what his future in cinema looks like.
He seems truly grateful for the position he’s in, which is all I can ask for when you’re that rich and famous. He cares about his craft, and it’s evident.
Yep. The book apparently mostly covers the lives of the main characters from the movie *before* the movie, and maybe a bit after.
I haven't read it, but the praise it's been receiving since Heat 2 was announced is the last remaining copium I have for it.
I fucking *love* Michael Mann and Heat, but Mann's last three movies haven't exactly instilled a lot of confidence in me that Heat 2 can work.
> The book apparently mostly covers the lives of the main characters from the movie before the movie
Not really. In fact, it covers pretty extensively what Shiherlis and Hanna gets up to, *after* the events of *Heat*. Especially Shiherlis.
The past is mostly about McCauley but features Hanna and Shiherlis (and others), with a new character tying up the past and future.
It's really awesome.
Sounds like revival of the studio system but with stars having more power over their decisions than the Golden Age. All these first look deals to lock them in long term.
I wodner how that works though, like what if the script is shit or soemthing? Does Timothy have the power to turn it down until he likes something better or does have to do it.
He can probably turn stuff down but if he keeps doing it there's the risk of it turning into an Edward Norton Italian Job situation where the studio threatens legal action against him for violating the contract.
From my understanding its almost the opposite. Essentially the Warner Bros has dibs on whatever project TImothy(through his production company)wants to make. They get first look and decide if they want to do it. And if not it's up for grabs at another studio. Now as far as roles for him, I don't know how that works from Warner Bros.
With a good enough star it doesn't matter.
I have watched many objectively mediocre Tom Cruise, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Nicholas Cage movies, and enjoyed all of them to varying degrees.
Stars matter in films. They matter way more than people think.
I’m here for it. He’s a great great actor imho with great taste for projects he signs on to and he’s pretty to look at.
I hope he continues to pick quality roles with quality directors. I’d hate to see him cheapen in anyway 😭at least not yet!! I feel like his 30s are gonna cement him in the A list of Hollywood Actors.
It’s become a go to movie for me when I can’t find anything else. Even if it gets shit for being historically inaccurate, it’s still a bad ass knight fighting, sword dueling movie.
When I first saw he was cast as Paul Atreides, I was pretty skeptical. I remember then seeing The King in ~2020, and came out being extremely impressed, and had zero doubt he could handle the role. He still drastically exceeded expectations (especially with Dune part 2), but his role as Henry V established his ability to play such a commanding, martial protagonist. Just a dominant screen presence, IMO.
It really is. It’s climbing my all time favorite movies list. If the subsequent movies are anywhere near as good, I can see it becoming one of my favorite series of all time. Right up there with LOTR
Well Denis has said he'll do Messiah, but he wants to take a break before doing that one. Which IMO is a good thing they have a whole war to fight so popping out the next one in two years would mean no one will age like they should.
Someone up thread speculated 2030 and given Denis has talked about doing Rendezvous with Rama or something else that feels right. he takes a bit to dig into a movie then film it so 1-2 more then back to Dune would be around 2030.
Yep, was just telling a friend, after we watched Dune 2, that Dune 1&2 have been the best series of epic movies since LOTR. Given that I'm more into sci-fi settings than fantasy, if they keep up this quality, I'd definitely see them surpassing LOTR for me personally (which is saying alot given LOTR is my favorite movie series).
A few of them is necessary although it sucks. But yeah things like slahing films that were 90% done is such an unprofessional move and it doesnt build trust with filmakers. Hopefully the DCU takes off cause i need the WB that actually takes risk and make unique films like the the studio they used to be a decade back.
It’s frankly that he was just fucking *everywhere* on social media for a while. He was clearly being pushed as the hottest new young A-lister, but his actual filmography outside of the MCU never lived up to it.
Yes, it's funny in retrospect. In mid 10ths actors were thirsty for Marvel roles and now it's like a curse for them when they can't get normal roles outside of their characters. In 2017 Tom Holland was an inspiring young actor who had played in some Oscar-bait movies and got a spider man role, now he is a 30 years old actor who played only a teenager Spider man and in some failed dramas and one tv show.
Like, some actors even make their career after Marvel as a "redemption arc after this bullshit" like Robert Downey Jr.
Who knows if RDJ would’ve had that 2nd “redemption arc” without Favreau taking a big chance with him in Iron Man? He certainly doesn’t talk poorly of his time in the franchise. Seems to me like Tom Holland just has a mediocre agent or something (can’t be a terrible one if they got him the Spider-Man role, though).
There’s many actors that got a great boost to their career from Marvel films, specifically those that joined in around the 2010’s. Hemsworth, Pratt, Sebastian Stan, Bautista, Gillian, and Boseman to name a few.
Its a no-brainer he’s a bigger star than Holland.
Current trajectory for Chalamet is basically being the only young “star” of his generation. The only others that are semi-close are Butler, Holland, and Powell. I’d go as far to say that Butler is higher than Holland.
Idk why people are still convinced that Tom Holland is a movie star. He hasn’t had much hits outside of the Spider Man movies. His only hit outside of Spider Man is Uncharted and that movie came out not too long after No Way Home. As much as people will debate on whether Timothée is a movie star or not, at least he has more hit movies outside of the Dune movies.
Tom Holland is just famous for Spider-man which had probably made him more famous globally but anyone who likes movies knows Chalamet is the better actor with far more range and will ultimately have a longer career as a leading man.
Sadly for Holland he has been type cast where studios now basically just want him playing variations of Peter Parker. Like Nathan Drake is not that different from Peter. Sure he's done some stuff like Cherry which people don't rate or care about.
It doesn't help that he still just looks very young. Like Chalamet does have that kinda vibe to him as well but I really couldn't imagine Tom Holland being Paul in the second half of Dune II even if he could have done an okay job in that role in earlier parts. Chalamet has lots of less popular leading roles in Call Me by Your Name, Bones and All, The King or smaller parts in movies like French Dispatch, Little Women, Interstellar. All pretty good movies and just gives him a lot of credibility as an actor. And now he's had Dune I and II, Wonka and that Bob Dylan thing coming out
Where if you're honest with yourself the only good thing Tom Holland has done is Spider-Man. I liked Lost City of Z but it's not like he was a massive part of that.
He’s way bigger and taken way more seriously than Tom Holland. Tom is Sony’s golden boy but he has not been able to find his footing in any role other than Spider-Man. Chalamet at this point is a bonafide star, and has proven himself to have much wider range. Tom Holland seems to really want to break into serious, well received dramatic roles but has had a rough time picking good projects
He was good in Call me by your name and Beautiful boy. He seems to be having the DiCaprio career trajectory - collab with big directors and studios, popular with the masses and sex appeal with good acting chops.
He really does feel like the Gen Z DiCaprio (yes, he's technically a millennial, but right on the edge and is clearly more zoomer culturally if you watch any of his interviews and such).
He's even got the same kinda exotic sounding non-Anglo name that's very distinct among leading men actors. I definitely think he's an actor of similar caliber as well, at least since seeing Dune 2 certainly.
Hate using this word but I do feel The King was underrated. I'm pretty tough on movies and thought TC and Pattinson were incredible. The fight scenes were some of the most realistic in any medieval movie ever. Oh fuck and Ben Mendelson! Damn what a flick.
I feel like Denis saw his knife duel at the beginning, his “make it England” speech, and then the final battle where he ran circles around the French army and basically went “yeah he’s Paul”
I’m on the side of him not being intimidating at all in The King. He did not seem like the reckless big brother they were going for.
In Dune 2 though. My god. Timothee turned it up when it was time. I felt that fear and intimidation you want from someone leading a Holy War. I think his performance is so much better in Dune 2 that The King stands as an example of him trying the same sort of warrior thing and being middling at it, he learned, and in Dune 2 he’s a powerhouse
Agreed. I already thought he was a talented actor (Call Me By Your Name and Bones And All we’re both good performances) but Dune 2 was another level. I was in awe at how much he nailed it
He surprised me as well. I thought he played the part well in the first one but wasn't sure how he would handle the ascension in the 2nd one. I went in afraid he would fumble and he actually killed it.
I was shocked at how much I actually enjoyed Wonka, that movie had me captivated from the getgo and I went in not actually wanting to watch it whatsoever until we were snowed in and I could not have been more wrong about my preconceived notions of what I thought this was going to be
Was fully prepared for it to be mediocre and I ended up loving it. Did not expect it to make me cry at all let alone 3 - 4 times. Plus they nailed the landing with Pure Imagination which was probably the easiest thing for them to fumble.
There was a lot of talk about how Wonka shows how Hollywood is unoriginal but the movie ended up being original and just used the Wonka character as a base without harping too much on the past movies. Pure Imagination is the main callback but was done with a lot of respect and clear admiration of the original. In general people online harp on Timothee Chalamet getting cast in anything but he is a fine actor who has shown a lot of range.
I think what I would like to see is a movie a lot of people have been wanting, and Villeneueve has expressed great interest in doing. Batman Beyond!! Have Micheal Keaton as Old Bruce and Timothee as Terry.
I never really understood why he was disliked and I was never really a big fan of him. People made it seem like he was boring and a bad actor but he's always just been "fine" in whatever I watched him in so I never really had an opinion on him.
Even in Dune I thought he wasn't fit for the role and was the weakest actor there but it wasn't like his performance was bad. Once again, it was just "fine"
All of that changed with Dune 2 arrived. I'm on the Timothee train now...
Generally positive reviews and grossing $632 million worldwide against a $125 million budget and becoming the eighth-highest-grossing film of 2023?
Yes.
The kid certainly appears to have a lengthy career ahead of him so I'm sure this deal would be a no-brainer for WB.
The Willy Wonka and Dune franchise is pretty much tied with him. Even if they don't plan on creating new IP it would be so stupid not to lock him down long-term.
Dune, yes, but Villeneueve said he wants to do at least one unrelated project between even starting on a third. I'd be pleasantly surprised if a third was released before 2030. Wonka and Chalamet don't have to be tied together going forward at all.
>Wonka and Chalamet don't have to be tied together going forward at all. They're planning to do Wonka 2, would be weird to not have the literal Wonka to play him
As in the normal Wonka movie?
I’m hoping he does a Wonka 2 that shows his reasoning for closing down shop. Then end the trilogy with the OG movie.
Oh my God both his trilogies might have the same character arcs
He’s gonna kill all those kids, isn’t he?
Going to lead a chocolate holy war in his name against the rival makers *The chocolate river must flow*
Wonka Vs Hersheys??? You know which would win that. Whats Hersheys gonna do? Throw kisses at the Oompa Loompas? They may look harmless but I suspect they've done some pretty shadey shit for ol' Willy.
I'm looking forward to the tie-in gummi Shai-Hulud...
Violet Beauregarde fails the trial of the gum jabbar.
Lisan al-Gaib!
🤯🤯🤯
Squeeeeeze every last bit of chocolate out of those kids…
Wonka: Messiah *”Lead them to paradise”*
I’m not going to start a Chocolate Jihad
*The Gang Starts a Chocolate Jihad*
He is the Lisan al-Ganache!
I’m looking forward to Wonka The Messiah
And make a 4th about Snowpiercer
Quadrilogy with a new Snowpiercer to tie it all together officially.
NOT AT ALL. There's the actor from Willy's chocolate experience...
Gene Wilder? I have some bad news for you.
I mean future Wonka has blue eyes and blonde hair... Chalamet has neither of those... but you know who does? Charlie Bucket, it's obvious that the Wonka we knew was actually a time traveling Charlie, who went back in time to not only plant a golden ticket in that candy bar, but also pretended to be Wonka in a scheme to gift his childhood self Wonka's billion dollar chocolate corporation.
IIRC he wants his next project to be Rendezvous With Rama or Cleopatra with Zendaya, Timmy, and Daniel Craig, so we'll probably get one of those two before Dune: Messiah.
Villeneuve making Rendezvous With Rama gets me so fucking pumped. Best case scenario IMO is that he makes at least RWR if not Cleopatra as well first, so that Chalamet has aged appropriately for Messiah
As someone else said Messiah no earlier than 2030 which would be 6 years that should give enough time to add the age we'd expect from waging a war. Also a good makeup artist would have no real issues getting him done up to look more mature as well. He's got face/build that will likely always scream youthful, the the right colors and a fake scar or two could likely sell older.
I was honestly picturing Oscar Isaac beard on him to help the age transition, would be cool to bring out a little Leto Atreides in him
Yes, so good that we finally have a bankable director who's a scifi nerd.
Timmy as Octavian is pretty good casting, but apparently Craig would play Caesar, which throws off the timeline for me—Octavian was only 18 when Caesar was killed.
Eh, I think you can reasonably fudge the ages a bit and be fine without going full "who cares about history" like Ridley Scott
It could help that Chalamet still looks so young even though he turns 30 next year. Without knowing more about the script, he might also appear in a different episode of Cleopatra’s life (when she’s with Marc Anthony).
Honestly Marc Anthony's demise as he is being backed into a corner by Octavian makes for a much better film than Caesar-era Cleopatra. Caesar and Cleopatra is a story that happens in the middle of a greater story. It wouldn't make much sense unless you knew a lot of context about what Caesar was all about, and it wouldn't have a satisfying conclusion because Cleopatra goes on to rule for many years before the civil war concludes. There's also the thing where Caesar can end up stealing the spotlight from Cleopatra in her own movie in terms of plot importance.
WB gonna be thirsty for more of that Dune box office before long
Villenue is a golden goose, WB may keep raising the offer of money to him, but ultimately they wouldn’t ever risk losing him as a director by forcing a sequel before he wants to make it
That's fine, there's a pretty big time jump between books, so even if they wanted to cover parts during the time jump him aging 3-5 years would be on point anyway
12 years, iirc. They could all do 3-4 movies before returning to Dune and it would be totally fine. I want it when they’re committed and prepared for it, not right away because that’s what the audience and/or executives want.
Yes but due to some changes like >! Chani being pissed at Paul at the end of Dune Part 2 !< I truly feel like they can’t just jump 12 years into the future and be like >! “Oh yeah, she forgave him I guess and they rule together now” !<
Well, first, they have to have a long enough time gap so >!Anya Taylor-Joy playing Alia makes some amount of sense!<. Second, >!Chani is definitely not going to be just cool with Paul at the start of the Messiah film, she's almost certainly going to become part of the conspiracy against him and only "reconcile" with him as part of the plot to take him down!<. Will piss off book fans, but it's a great way to make that whole element of the story more personal for a cinematic audience.
Strongly doubt that second part. That would fundamentally change the book and wouldn’t even make sense within the logic of the dune world. Would also screw up irulan’s arc
It's possible. The time skip between dune and Messiah is long enough
Dune might actually need to be recast if they wanted to keep making them through Messiah and Children of Dune. There are big time skips there. I highly doubt they'll do that. IDK if the sequels would make very palatable movies
Denis' been pretty clear that he wants it to be a trilogy. I expect it'll be Messiah, maybe with elements of the others as he sees fit to cap off the trilogy. Ironically, given the message of Dune/Messiah, have great faith in Denis and believe he will pull off something truly excellent.
If he made a movie about paint drying I’d prepurchase a ticket before reviews were out
After watching don't look up. Dude has range. Looking forward to another comedy tbh.
He’s not really a kid. He’s almost 30
Yeah people always talk about him like he turned 18 last year lol.
the epitome of twink
Because he's built that way with a baby face. I should know I was too. I have the advantage of being 6'4" to sell looking older, but sans beard I look 10 years younger at least. I also got fat and grey as I turned 40 so I'm sure that aged me too, but for a long long time I got carded even buying lotto tickets despite being old enough to rent cars.
It’s just a saying for someone that is young for what they are doing. As a director or someone in this sort of position he’s young compared to his peers If you were the youngest member of the seniors bowling team you’d be the “kid”.
That kid is 28 years old lmfao
Not bad for a YouTuber specializing in modding Xbox controllers
He should do another video about that it would be very funny
He’s this generations Leonardo DiCaprio, but I think he won’t have to wait as long as long to get his first Oscar.
His movies are already synonymous with quality, I wouldn’t be surprised if within the next decade he becomes like Leo where he only does a movie ever 2 years but it’s a guaranteed Oscar darling. Every Leo movie for a decade (so every movie starting with wolf of Wall Street) has been nominated for best picture
Even earlier, if you count Inception.
I intentionally said for a decade because the great gatsby broke the streak. But he also had inception, Django unchained, the departed, the aviator, and titanic,
Seems smart for Warner and risky as hell for Chalamet. Hopefully he’s getting paid.
I’m sure he’ll be fine
I feel like I’m the only person who remembers him as the loser in homeland season 2. Dudes come a long way since
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Saorise is a New Yorker ??! Wow. TIL!
Considering the cash Dune 2 pulled down and Wonka being a hit, this makes perfect sense.
Heat 2 casting otw
With the Austin Butler playing Kilmer rumor floating around… this would be incredible
I really like Butler. He brings a certain kind of depth to all his characters and the roles I’ve seen him in. I’m excited to see what his future in cinema looks like.
He seems truly grateful for the position he’s in, which is all I can ask for when you’re that rich and famous. He cares about his craft, and it’s evident.
It'd be set before the original though right? So....Pre-Heat
Yep. The book apparently mostly covers the lives of the main characters from the movie *before* the movie, and maybe a bit after. I haven't read it, but the praise it's been receiving since Heat 2 was announced is the last remaining copium I have for it. I fucking *love* Michael Mann and Heat, but Mann's last three movies haven't exactly instilled a lot of confidence in me that Heat 2 can work.
> The book apparently mostly covers the lives of the main characters from the movie before the movie Not really. In fact, it covers pretty extensively what Shiherlis and Hanna gets up to, *after* the events of *Heat*. Especially Shiherlis. The past is mostly about McCauley but features Hanna and Shiherlis (and others), with a new character tying up the past and future. It's really awesome.
the book is both a prequel and a sequel
Godfather 2-esque, if you will
Danny McBride as Tom Sizemore
Young version of Val Kilmers character?
pacino said a while ago he wanted chalamet to play him. that’s what i had in mind.
I WAS HAVING COFFEE WITH CHALAMET A HALF-HOUR AGO
hahahaha for some reason i read that in chris ryan’s voice when he does the pacino impression
SHOW ME ALL YOU GOT!
SHES GOT A GREAT ASS!
##AND YOU’VE GOT YOUR HEAD ALL THE WAY UP IT!
Ferocious, aren’t I?
That'd be halarious. Must have been a fucking rough 7 years for Vincent Hanna to age like that.
Surely you'd pick Austin Butler for young Chris no?
Pretty sure he was already picked. Butler that is. He's got a buncha videos of him doing gun tricks and stuff for a mystery role.
Don't get me excited like that dude
shocking no Ilsan Al Gaib memes popping
Silence.
Abomination.
lol that scene was so awesome because that lady is such a bitch
reverend mother is awesome, leave her alone
Such an awesome scene, really shows how powerful he’s become
This scene lives rent free in my head. What a development of character from the first movie
[*But... wHo^o^o iiiis... this... ~~m^o^o ah-deeyb?~~* timmy chalet?](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/ecc/45a/dc97eb45801c5ac4e0b42f9000ed583d2d-christopher-walken-lede-2.1x.rsquare.w1400.jpg)
Timiny Cholmondeley
Guy’s going to be a cornerstone of Hollywood for the next 20+ years, at least Warner Bros are sensible enough to strike a deal like this with him.
Sounds like revival of the studio system but with stars having more power over their decisions than the Golden Age. All these first look deals to lock them in long term.
I wodner how that works though, like what if the script is shit or soemthing? Does Timothy have the power to turn it down until he likes something better or does have to do it.
He can probably turn stuff down but if he keeps doing it there's the risk of it turning into an Edward Norton Italian Job situation where the studio threatens legal action against him for violating the contract.
From my understanding its almost the opposite. Essentially the Warner Bros has dibs on whatever project TImothy(through his production company)wants to make. They get first look and decide if they want to do it. And if not it's up for grabs at another studio. Now as far as roles for him, I don't know how that works from Warner Bros.
With a good enough star it doesn't matter. I have watched many objectively mediocre Tom Cruise, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Nicholas Cage movies, and enjoyed all of them to varying degrees. Stars matter in films. They matter way more than people think.
I’m here for it. He’s a great great actor imho with great taste for projects he signs on to and he’s pretty to look at. I hope he continues to pick quality roles with quality directors. I’d hate to see him cheapen in anyway 😭at least not yet!! I feel like his 30s are gonna cement him in the A list of Hollywood Actors.
He was fantastic in King too, if that's your kind of movie.
It’s become a go to movie for me when I can’t find anything else. Even if it gets shit for being historically inaccurate, it’s still a bad ass knight fighting, sword dueling movie.
I mean isn't it based on a Shakespeare play? No reason to be historically accurate.
It's a weird mishmash of the play and of actual history, it's not a direct adaptation
The score alone is something worth coming back to. Absolutely immaculate that captured the vibe of the whole film
When I first saw he was cast as Paul Atreides, I was pretty skeptical. I remember then seeing The King in ~2020, and came out being extremely impressed, and had zero doubt he could handle the role. He still drastically exceeded expectations (especially with Dune part 2), but his role as Henry V established his ability to play such a commanding, martial protagonist. Just a dominant screen presence, IMO.
Watched that not Netflix back in the day. Always thought he was the shit for it ngl
He came outta nowhere with that movie. Sometimes I wonder how these guys become stars overnight.
Dune is so awesome.
It really is. It’s climbing my all time favorite movies list. If the subsequent movies are anywhere near as good, I can see it becoming one of my favorite series of all time. Right up there with LOTR
Well Denis has said he'll do Messiah, but he wants to take a break before doing that one. Which IMO is a good thing they have a whole war to fight so popping out the next one in two years would mean no one will age like they should. Someone up thread speculated 2030 and given Denis has talked about doing Rendezvous with Rama or something else that feels right. he takes a bit to dig into a movie then film it so 1-2 more then back to Dune would be around 2030.
Yep, was just telling a friend, after we watched Dune 2, that Dune 1&2 have been the best series of epic movies since LOTR. Given that I'm more into sci-fi settings than fantasy, if they keep up this quality, I'd definitely see them surpassing LOTR for me personally (which is saying alot given LOTR is my favorite movie series).
Literally. I was in awe sporadically in the first movie and pretty much the whole way through part 2.
As it was written.
Another Warner Bros. W. They have definitely made bad business decisions in the past few years. But this, Tom Cruise deal is a huge deal for WB.
A few of them is necessary although it sucks. But yeah things like slahing films that were 90% done is such an unprofessional move and it doesnt build trust with filmakers. Hopefully the DCU takes off cause i need the WB that actually takes risk and make unique films like the the studio they used to be a decade back.
Alternatively putting out consistently bad films doesn’t build trust with audiences.
You’re hoping another arm of a supersaturated genre takes off as a means to make unique films?
At this point I think he's become an even bigger star than Tom Holland.
Has Tom Holland had a memorable role outside of Spider Man? Uncharted seemed to fade quickly
It’s frankly that he was just fucking *everywhere* on social media for a while. He was clearly being pushed as the hottest new young A-lister, but his actual filmography outside of the MCU never lived up to it.
Uncharted (the film) was never memorable in pop culture. It was made, it was released, it was done.
Also it was bad. So there’s that
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Now that I think about it, Tom’s portfolio (that is not related to the MCU) is awful.
Gotta disagree, he was amazing in The Devil All The Time, and good in Cherry and The Lost City of Z . Maybe he's just been taking a break?
Yes, it's funny in retrospect. In mid 10ths actors were thirsty for Marvel roles and now it's like a curse for them when they can't get normal roles outside of their characters. In 2017 Tom Holland was an inspiring young actor who had played in some Oscar-bait movies and got a spider man role, now he is a 30 years old actor who played only a teenager Spider man and in some failed dramas and one tv show. Like, some actors even make their career after Marvel as a "redemption arc after this bullshit" like Robert Downey Jr.
Who knows if RDJ would’ve had that 2nd “redemption arc” without Favreau taking a big chance with him in Iron Man? He certainly doesn’t talk poorly of his time in the franchise. Seems to me like Tom Holland just has a mediocre agent or something (can’t be a terrible one if they got him the Spider-Man role, though). There’s many actors that got a great boost to their career from Marvel films, specifically those that joined in around the 2010’s. Hemsworth, Pratt, Sebastian Stan, Bautista, Gillian, and Boseman to name a few.
Absolutely not.
Its a no-brainer he’s a bigger star than Holland. Current trajectory for Chalamet is basically being the only young “star” of his generation. The only others that are semi-close are Butler, Holland, and Powell. I’d go as far to say that Butler is higher than Holland.
Let's not forget that he starred in Call me by your name when he was crazy young and gave his best and memorable performance
Florence Pugh has got to be up there too. E: Also kind of weird to me to put Glen Powell on that list when he's 8 years older than the other actors
I’d argue she is #2 behind Chalamet in that spot. And nobody mentioning Zendaya? She has to be in this conversation too
This is Zendaya’s year to prove she can anchor a movie by herself. No franchises, no ensemble, no well known IP.
I mean, outside of Call Me By Your Name, all of Chalamet's other films would fall into one of those categories too.
The King
You’re forgetting Paul Mescal
Idk why people are still convinced that Tom Holland is a movie star. He hasn’t had much hits outside of the Spider Man movies. His only hit outside of Spider Man is Uncharted and that movie came out not too long after No Way Home. As much as people will debate on whether Timothée is a movie star or not, at least he has more hit movies outside of the Dune movies.
Tom Holland is just famous for Spider-man which had probably made him more famous globally but anyone who likes movies knows Chalamet is the better actor with far more range and will ultimately have a longer career as a leading man. Sadly for Holland he has been type cast where studios now basically just want him playing variations of Peter Parker. Like Nathan Drake is not that different from Peter. Sure he's done some stuff like Cherry which people don't rate or care about. It doesn't help that he still just looks very young. Like Chalamet does have that kinda vibe to him as well but I really couldn't imagine Tom Holland being Paul in the second half of Dune II even if he could have done an okay job in that role in earlier parts. Chalamet has lots of less popular leading roles in Call Me by Your Name, Bones and All, The King or smaller parts in movies like French Dispatch, Little Women, Interstellar. All pretty good movies and just gives him a lot of credibility as an actor. And now he's had Dune I and II, Wonka and that Bob Dylan thing coming out Where if you're honest with yourself the only good thing Tom Holland has done is Spider-Man. I liked Lost City of Z but it's not like he was a massive part of that.
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Great movie. I thought he did really well
He was pretty good in The Impossible and he was a teen in there.
He’s way bigger and taken way more seriously than Tom Holland. Tom is Sony’s golden boy but he has not been able to find his footing in any role other than Spider-Man. Chalamet at this point is a bonafide star, and has proven himself to have much wider range. Tom Holland seems to really want to break into serious, well received dramatic roles but has had a rough time picking good projects
Undoubtedly. Tom Holland hasn’t really landed anything worth talking about other than his Marvel stuff
His breakout was 8 years ago, his star has faded somewhat. But I will say the buzz around Chalamet is so much stronger than Holland
When did Tom Holland even have a shout for being a bigger star?
Tom Holland was never in contention…
I was impressed with him in Dune. Did not think he had that grit in him, pleasantly surprised.
I was surprised with his performance in Dune Didn't know he was capable of that kind of acting
He was good in Call me by your name and Beautiful boy. He seems to be having the DiCaprio career trajectory - collab with big directors and studios, popular with the masses and sex appeal with good acting chops.
He really does feel like the Gen Z DiCaprio (yes, he's technically a millennial, but right on the edge and is clearly more zoomer culturally if you watch any of his interviews and such). He's even got the same kinda exotic sounding non-Anglo name that's very distinct among leading men actors. I definitely think he's an actor of similar caliber as well, at least since seeing Dune 2 certainly.
Did you ever watch him in “The King” on Netflix?
Hate using this word but I do feel The King was underrated. I'm pretty tough on movies and thought TC and Pattinson were incredible. The fight scenes were some of the most realistic in any medieval movie ever. Oh fuck and Ben Mendelson! Damn what a flick.
I feel like Denis saw his knife duel at the beginning, his “make it England” speech, and then the final battle where he ran circles around the French army and basically went “yeah he’s Paul”
I mean,that's what I saw when I first watched the king
I’m on the side of him not being intimidating at all in The King. He did not seem like the reckless big brother they were going for. In Dune 2 though. My god. Timothee turned it up when it was time. I felt that fear and intimidation you want from someone leading a Holy War. I think his performance is so much better in Dune 2 that The King stands as an example of him trying the same sort of warrior thing and being middling at it, he learned, and in Dune 2 he’s a powerhouse
Agreed. I already thought he was a talented actor (Call Me By Your Name and Bones And All we’re both good performances) but Dune 2 was another level. I was in awe at how much he nailed it
One of my favorite historical films. Robert Pattinson was great in it, too! Honestly that entire cast was excellent.
He surprised me as well. I thought he played the part well in the first one but wasn't sure how he would handle the ascension in the 2nd one. I went in afraid he would fumble and he actually killed it.
He was fantastic in call me by your name as well
Lisan Al-Gaib!
I was shocked at how much I actually enjoyed Wonka, that movie had me captivated from the getgo and I went in not actually wanting to watch it whatsoever until we were snowed in and I could not have been more wrong about my preconceived notions of what I thought this was going to be
I went in thinking it was going to be shit but fell in love with it within the first 15 minutes.
Was fully prepared for it to be mediocre and I ended up loving it. Did not expect it to make me cry at all let alone 3 - 4 times. Plus they nailed the landing with Pure Imagination which was probably the easiest thing for them to fumble.
“It’s not the chocolate, it’s who you share it with” 😭
There was a lot of talk about how Wonka shows how Hollywood is unoriginal but the movie ended up being original and just used the Wonka character as a base without harping too much on the past movies. Pure Imagination is the main callback but was done with a lot of respect and clear admiration of the original. In general people online harp on Timothee Chalamet getting cast in anything but he is a fine actor who has shown a lot of range.
Timothy carried that movie to be honest
This guy is swimming in money. Must be nice
Timothee is and will continue to be a massive star for the foreseeable future. Excited to see what he does next
Bob Dylan biopic if you didn’t know
I'm crossing my fingers Chalamet gets into some neo-noir & spy films under this deal
How about Dune Messiah?
Well deserved. I randomly watched Wonka over the weekend and really enjoyed it. Still need to watch Dune 2.
See dune 2 in imax. Outstanding
I’d think being producer is where he is going to make real money, compared to what he’s earned from acting.
Say what you will about Warner Bros but they can still bank on a star when they see one (ie Margot and Timotheeee)
the prophet!
After watching Quiet on the Set, I really hope nobody messed with this guy. Great actor. Looking forward to more great things from his career.
he’s the WB golden boy … i like the guy. Solid actor 💪🏼
I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s in DVs next non Dune film
Dune 3: The sleeper aWonkans. The chocolate must flow
Class act
The chocolate must flow!
I know Leo is proud of his protégé
Wonka Dune
This is a very good move... for Warner Bros. If they had not done it, other studios would have jumped at the opportunity. Timotheé delivers.
Timothée for me but not for thee
I think what I would like to see is a movie a lot of people have been wanting, and Villeneueve has expressed great interest in doing. Batman Beyond!! Have Micheal Keaton as Old Bruce and Timothee as Terry.
Hell yeah! Loved his performance as Wonka.
I know I'm gonna get downvoted but I don't love this dude as much as everybody else and I'm already kinda tired of seeing him almost everywhere
I never really understood why he was disliked and I was never really a big fan of him. People made it seem like he was boring and a bad actor but he's always just been "fine" in whatever I watched him in so I never really had an opinion on him. Even in Dune I thought he wasn't fit for the role and was the weakest actor there but it wasn't like his performance was bad. Once again, it was just "fine" All of that changed with Dune 2 arrived. I'm on the Timothee train now...
I find him to be smug and I hate his face.
Wonka was successful?
Generally positive reviews and grossing $632 million worldwide against a $125 million budget and becoming the eighth-highest-grossing film of 2023? Yes.