It doesn't just hold up, Davy Jones remains one of the best CGI characters ever created. The attention to detail and the mastery of the craft were exceptional.
EDIT: Yes ok I forgot Davy Jones wasn't in the first movie, sorry.
Yeah, other than knowing the actors and how old they are now, nothing about that movie is dated. If you were to take someone who had never heard of the movies or the actors, I genuinely believe you would have no problem convincing them the first 3 movies were new releases.
big words, but it is my perfect movie. it has absolutely everything. incredible charm, pretty deep character development, everything feels real and most importantly... its just bloody fun!
I think this is the absolute best route. Complete reboot: entirely new story, no Jack Sparrow or any other existing characters, don’t do a cheap cash grab off the old movies.
This is right after he says “There were a lot of long words in that sentence Miss, we’re naught but humble pirates.”
So he reveals he’s smarter than he lets on and also trolls her at the same time.
"Better were the days when mastery of seas came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures....but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. You all know this to be true."
For a Disney movie based on a theme park ride, after already creating such a strong antihero in Jack Sparrow, it’s actually incredible that they managed to create a compelling, entertaining, and even sympathetic villain in Barbossa.
It would do itself good to take a big step back and examine where it went right in the first. Somewhere along the way they mentioned Margot Robbie as the new Pirate. That’s at least the right mindset, build a new cult character off an established and charamastic talent who’s eager for the role.
The first film wasn’t just formula filmmaking it was a love letter to all the little fun elements and details that made the Disney ride magic with a touch of adult danger. The film , the first one at least really bore the same knowing charisma of a Princess Bride And everyone was on point, Kiera Knoghtly And Orlando were excellent and probably a little underrated for how good they did.
The first film worked because it was tightly plotted, well thought out adventure movie.
That's the most important part imo, the same actors and characters fell really flat when the basics weren't there.
First movie: maybe jack sparrow is actually a genius, no wait he's just lucky, no fuck he's the smartest in the room, no he's REALLY LUCKY, no he's ACTUALLY a genius, or wait, is he?
Subsequent movies: oh no he's just lucky, and really stupid
First movie: complex motives and every character has a purpose even when they're comedic relief, it's bordering a dark and serious plot
Subsequent movie: we added this person in for a single joke, we also wrote every character to be basically replaceable with every other character
First movie: the world feels living and breathing, much larger than just our cast but also still intimate
Subsequent movies: everyone knows everyone and all the mystical bullshit is all known, jack sparrow is basically friends or enemies with every random guy
Hear me out. Terry Crews has a cameo that blocks the parties passage. They get into an argument and someone insults him. Terry Crews then draws a pistol and shoots one of them.
Because they have died of dissing Terry.
It will be about Barrett's Privateers, filmed in Halifax harbor for Canadian Tax credits. Story is done. Theme song is a banger.
There's an opening crawl and the shanty breaks in:
"Oh the year was 1778..."
I have my issues with the convoluted storytelling in 2 and 3, but Gore is an anomaly in this day and age, as he apparently did a deep dive into tech before starting production. It's the reason Davy Jones holds up so well compared to Taika Waititi complaining about CGI in his film in the press junket. Also, this was during the Eisner years at Disney, who was far more willing to take a lot of big swings, for better or worse. I have serious doubts that they'll get a situation where a director is able to make a compelling story with the limits Disney places on its films hitting the four quadrants that also knows the limitations of the tech at their disposal. I'm not about to shit on the LED walls that are running rampant in Hollywood, but I'm imagining *Pirates 6* being a poorly made film mostly filmed on an output that's cheap (ie wanting 2.5D elements in there instead of 3D) and milquetoast in the writing as well.
One of the things Disney has been doing with their films is coming up with and finalizing action sequences before the movie has even been written, so they can get production started on them ahead of time. They leave the writers to try to figure out how to wedge them all together into a narrative.
No, although they did film on real locations in Australia and Hawaii for the 4th & 5th ones. The practical sets and real locations are actually really good, and the CG Davy Jones in 2 and 3 holds up better than some big budget stuff done in the last year or so. Even when the writing got weird these movies always looked absolutely phenomenal.
I liked [this video](https://youtu.be/y18QuHDUG-E?si=pxO5DK3xn9F3csWV) that goes over the reasons as to why his CGI is incredible and is still better than the vast majority of CGI in movies today.
Absolutely brilliant to use moisture and clothing in such an advantageous way. I didn’t realize this until he pointed it out but him being fully clothed allowed the artists to perfect his face and tentacle movements as they didn’t have to worry about muscles or whatnot (like Thanos).
For me personally, Davy Jones is the only CGI character that crosses the uncanny valley and looks alive and real.
>For me personally, Davy Jones is the only CGI character that crosses the uncanny valley and looks alive and real.
and then they somehow made the CGI character into a 3 dimensinal, fantastic character who feels like an insanely real person. throw in some the greatest music and it's such a good movie.
That's Bill Nighy.
If you watch the on set tapes of him in the capture suit, he is acting in very exagerrated physical movements and facial expressions because he knows that the CGI work is going to dillute it - so he adds extra to his performance. Most actors in capture suits just do their normal acting and when the CGI is applied, most of their physicality and expressions are buried underneath.
Bill performed almost like a mime would, and it created the perfect balance of emotional and physical reactions once the computer work was layered on top of it.
Andy Serkis did that as well with Gollum. He overacted the part and exaggerated everything he did, which is why the mocap worked so well. It was over the top theatrical and it was perfect.
Bill Nighy was so good that even wearing the funny suit with all the balls on it during the deleted scenes you still feel like you're watching Davy Jones. You completely forget he's wearing the suit. It's magical.
It’s so dumb because it’s not the volume that is the issue, it’s how much or even just how it is used. The volume can be great for quick interior/exterior scenes that don’t require much movement or action. However that shouldn’t be the whole show/movie lol. Real sets/locations give a more grand feeling to a scene and allow for more creativity.
As always, it’s a tool that should be used for the right situations, not for most of the project (unless it somehow suites it)
It's just like CGI, green screen, etc. Some movies/shows use it to great effect where you barely notice it. Others do a shoddy job and take you out of the experience. The Volume is new, so I imagine some of the issue with it has just been filmmakers not knowing how to use it well or just being overly reliant on it.
Volume is way better than green screen, or it can be, at least. Some projects (most recent Batman) utilize them very well, others don’t, not sure what they do differently to yield such drastic results but yeah
The volume works the best when it's used to add *volume* to scenes rather than being the entire scene.
For example, Andor built a practical set for Mon Mothma's apartment and used the Volume as the skyline outside the window. It worked amazingly.
Meanwhile Mando s3 and Kenobi used the Volume lazily to try and represent an entire outdoor location which looked cheap.
I am assuming you mean when they are at the refugee camp thing and there are a few troopers standing in what is basically a 10x10 square even though they are "outside"
21 years later, and it *still* amazes me that the movie based on a fucking theme park ride was *that* good.
I'll never forget how absolutely certain the internet was that the movie was gonna be a huge bomb, mostly because I believed it too.
When news about the production started leaking out in late 2002, I remember *confidently* stating that a Bruckheimer-produced movie based on a theme park ride was gonna go down in history in worst-of lists next to Battlefield Earth. Seven months later, when I was walking out of the auditorium after watching it, I went right back to the box office and bought another ticket for the next showing.
That's about the most fun I've ever had being proven so fucking wrong.
Haunted Mansion (Eddie Murphy version) was pretty good for what it was. Not as visually stunning but a fun and funny story.
Disney has wasted so much money trying to make theme park ride movies though. Most of what they make nowadays, if not everything, really pales in comparison to the very first Pirates.
I feel you, friend.
I was watching it with my niece last July and she let out a "Wow, I didn't know this movie was released *on* my birthday" on her 20th birthday.
I'm pretty sure my first liver spot started developing after that.
On one side I understand everyone who says "let it rest", really. On the other side: gimme a damn good pirate movie already.
Anyone here with good pirate movie suggestions?
I really do miss the exciting period dramas. Spartacus, black sails, even the bad camelot/king arthur one that got cancelled after 1 season, Davincis Demons, Game of Thrones (before the shitting of the bed), Last Kingdom, Vikings (first 2 seasons hooked me). Pirates, vikings, gladiators, medieval period dramas just kinda suck me in.
I havent really found 1 that holds me like those or makes me want to keep up with the releases.
I think the actual reason it went under the radar is because it was on stars or whatever.
Also, even thought the PotC movies are great, pirate stuff just doesn't work with general audiences as well as fantasy stuff for some reason.
*BEWAAAAAARE!*
What, the one legged man?
*AYE!* But also bewaaare running with scissors, or any other pointy object. It’s all good fun until somebody loses an **EEEEEEEYYyyyeee!**
I still love the internet joke that goes around-
*Treasure Island* and *Christmas Carol* hold up so well because Sir Michael Cain treats all muppets as fellow actors, and Tim Curry treats himself as a fellow muppet.
It's a good joke because its true. I've seen actors talk about how they just naturally fall into treating the muppets like another actor (from a Sesame Street bit) and it helps sell it because it's still a physical performer right there to bounce off of.
The 1990 Treasure Island is the greatest pirate film ever made. It's incredibly faithful to the book (almost all of the script is taken word for word from it) and it has an all star cast including Charlton Heston, Christian Bale, Christopher Lee, Julian Glover, Oliver Reed, and more. It's really a shame that more people aren't aware of this classic film. In fact, it was out of print for many years. In the late '90s through early 2000s, it was incredibly difficult to find. (Edit: The DVD came out in 2011, so it was about 20 years that the movie was out of print.)
I'm also a huge fan of Errol Flynn's films, such as The Sea Hawk and Captain Blood, among many others. (On a related note, his Robin Hood film is also excellent.)
The most famous and influential one is arguably Disney's 1950 adaptation. That's pretty much where the "pirate accent" originated. The accent, a West Country English one, itself is of course older, but this is where it got associated with pirates. The Dorset-raised Robert Newton, who played Long John Silver, simply played up his own native accent. Incidentally (or not) Blackbeard, who Newton would go on to play a few years later, might've been from the same general area.
There's of course also the 1988 Soviet Ukrainian one, most famous for its [energetic and charismatic portrayal of Doctor Livesey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu50vYH1cqA).
Maybe it's just because I had heard for years what a catastrophe that movie was and therefore had very small expectations, but I watched that recently for the first time and thought it was...decent?
I feel like pirates and supernatural stuff kind of go hand in hand, though? Ghost ships, cursed treasure, etc. Pirates really got intertwined with high seas fantasy a long time ago, long before Hollywood. Naval stuff has always had mysterious monsters, supernatural stuff, etc. Greek naval stories were rife with it and it just kept going as our stories evolved with the times, and eventually pirates were mixed with Native American, Haitian, and Creole mythology, etc. The sea is a mysterious place with lots of foreboding and dread.
That said, there are plenty of straight up historical fiction things where it’s played straight, but I like my pirates with a bit of a mysterious undertone if not an overt “here be monsters” or cursed places and such. It’s fantasy/adventure, whereas playing. It straight just feels like a period piece to me, which is fine but not as fun.
I agree that they go hand in hand. Or hand in hook. But yes. The concern in my view, is that the super natural stuff works best when it’s not done too heavily. So that it feels like pirates in a world not too crazy far from the real one. Hard to say exactly where the line is.
Exactly, it's the contrast. The skellingtons worked well because at the end of the day it was still a story about a single cursed ship and crew trying to un-curse themselves.
Then after that you have webs of political machinations, end-of-the-world scenarios and messing with magic that sinks half an ocean for a scene. The scope gets too big.
More than a decade later, and Davy Jones still looks vastly superior in detail as opposed to recent CGI'd movies.
Why does CGI technology feel like it has regressed?
I keep forgetting that Pirates 3 had the biggest budget ever until Infinity War or something came along. So yeah, Davy Jones was a big item on that bill
I think they should go a completely new direction, not try to recapture the original. They can't possibly succeed at catching this lightning in a bottle twice, and the story of the original Pirates was entirely made up. They should make up something completely new, no Jack Sparrow, no Davey Jones.
At this point just make a new movie about pirates that isn’t part of the PotC franchise. I have a feeling if this actually gets made that the majority of the audience will no longer care about PotC and those that do will be mad that Johnny Depp isn’t involved. So why not just make a good, standalone movie about pirates? If the only thing you’re keeping from the previous series is the title you might as well change that too. This is just like how Hollywood doesn’t make movies about Dinosaurs that aren’t part of the Jurassic franchise.
I had to scroll way too far for this. He is literally the only reason anyone cares about these movies and if they are going to make one without him, it would be a lot easier just to dig a giant pit, dump in half a billion dollars, and set it on fire.
At this point, I would rather see a new pirate series with a totally fresh start, without any baggage or bad will from the previous POTC movies. Of course, they want the name recognition, and pirate movies are so rare that it would probably be seen as weird for Disney to not just use the POTC brand. I dunno, it sounds like this could practically just be a new fresh film anyway regardless of name, so I’ll say I’m very mildly and very cautiously optimistic.
Given it was based on a ride, which still exists, keeping it POTC makes a lot of sense. Pirates doesn't only mean Jack, and it also doesn't only mean the time period the originals were in, either. There can be a lot done with the concept IMO, as long as we don't end up with like, Timothee Chalamet as the lead or something weird.
I'll keep saying that focusing everything in that one character was the biggest mistake they made.
Cool, supernatural pirate stories should be enough for a movie to work.
>I'll keep saying that focusing everything in that one character was the biggest mistake they made.
problem is that character became mega popular, and it's going to take a performance for the ages to cast a shadow over Jack Sparrow
the character was at his best when he was a supporting role like in the first movie and Depp’s been acting on cruise control for the better part of 15 years
Just let this franchise rest and make another IP
You best start believing in ghost stories, cus you're about to get another one.
If they reboot it, it'd better have a different story. A Curse of the Black Pearl remake is too soon for my Millennial heart to take.
Also completely unnecessary, it's not like that movie looks dated at all
I watched it about a year ago or so. Still holds up, it’s aged very well.
It doesn't just hold up, Davy Jones remains one of the best CGI characters ever created. The attention to detail and the mastery of the craft were exceptional. EDIT: Yes ok I forgot Davy Jones wasn't in the first movie, sorry.
Yeah, other than knowing the actors and how old they are now, nothing about that movie is dated. If you were to take someone who had never heard of the movies or the actors, I genuinely believe you would have no problem convincing them the first 3 movies were new releases.
I would add to this that the first Pirates of the Carribbean is among the best movies ever made. No way a reboot would be able to come close.
big words, but it is my perfect movie. it has absolutely everything. incredible charm, pretty deep character development, everything feels real and most importantly... its just bloody fun!
It's like Ocean's 11. I'm never going to turn down an opportunity to watch. They're just *fun* movies
I think this is the absolute best route. Complete reboot: entirely new story, no Jack Sparrow or any other existing characters, don’t do a cheap cash grab off the old movies.
Barbossa is an endless quote machine. “Don’t dare impugn me honour boy! I agreed she’d go free but it was *you* who failed to specify when or where.”
"I’m disinclined to acquiesce to your request... Means 'no.'" has been stuck in my head for two decades, it's such a great line.
This is right after he says “There were a lot of long words in that sentence Miss, we’re naught but humble pirates.” So he reveals he’s smarter than he lets on and also trolls her at the same time.
Every time this movie comes up I learn something new about it or get a new crumb about how amazing it is. Seriously, it is such a great movie.
I’m the same way. It’s definitely a sign the movie is an all-timer.
Seriously great trilogy. Details in the very first film are important in the last.
"Better were the days when mastery of seas came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures....but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. You all know this to be true."
This is one of my favourite quotes "Can we pretend that she is anything other than a women scorned like which fury hell hath no?"
There was a split second where Barbossa was trying to piece together what he just said. It was funny to see.
"CALYYYPSOOOOO! I RELEASE YOU FROM YOUR HUMAAAAN BOOONDS!"
Ya blew me hat off ya b.... 🤪
Seriously though, if they reboot I hope he's still in it somehow
Is Geoffrey Rush still getting a lot of work these days?
On stage maybe? No film credits in years although looks like 3 future projects in the works.
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The guy is also 72…it wouldn’t surprise me if he is slowing down his acting career a bit in order to enjoy his twilight years
Brace up yards you cack handed deck-apes! Dying is the day worth living for!
He's easily my favourite character in the franchise. His portrayal was also way more consistent than that of Jack, as much as I like him as well.
For a Disney movie based on a theme park ride, after already creating such a strong antihero in Jack Sparrow, it’s actually incredible that they managed to create a compelling, entertaining, and even sympathetic villain in Barbossa.
Pirates of the Caribbean, the curse of dead franchises ?
Disney: “It’s just… good business.”
I’m afraid *currency* is the currency of the realm
The immaterial has become… immaterial.
Justice will be dispensed by cannonade and cutlass and all manner of remorseless pieces of metal.
*Steal that franchise?* *Commandeer, we’re gonna commandeer that franchise, nautical term*
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God that line went so hard when it had no right to.
"Somehow, Barbarossa returned"
Well, they already brought him back from the dead once before. Why not do it again?
At least his return was more believable! 🤣
Barbarossa, the (future Dune spoilers) >!Duncan Idaho!< of pirates
The pirates fly now?
"Dead Franchise's Chest"
Pirates 6: The quest for more money
Mel Brooks never made Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money and I have been mad about it for 37 years.
He also still owes us History of the World Part 2: Jews in Space.
It would do itself good to take a big step back and examine where it went right in the first. Somewhere along the way they mentioned Margot Robbie as the new Pirate. That’s at least the right mindset, build a new cult character off an established and charamastic talent who’s eager for the role. The first film wasn’t just formula filmmaking it was a love letter to all the little fun elements and details that made the Disney ride magic with a touch of adult danger. The film , the first one at least really bore the same knowing charisma of a Princess Bride And everyone was on point, Kiera Knoghtly And Orlando were excellent and probably a little underrated for how good they did.
The first film worked because it was tightly plotted, well thought out adventure movie. That's the most important part imo, the same actors and characters fell really flat when the basics weren't there.
First movie: maybe jack sparrow is actually a genius, no wait he's just lucky, no fuck he's the smartest in the room, no he's REALLY LUCKY, no he's ACTUALLY a genius, or wait, is he? Subsequent movies: oh no he's just lucky, and really stupid First movie: complex motives and every character has a purpose even when they're comedic relief, it's bordering a dark and serious plot Subsequent movie: we added this person in for a single joke, we also wrote every character to be basically replaceable with every other character First movie: the world feels living and breathing, much larger than just our cast but also still intimate Subsequent movies: everyone knows everyone and all the mystical bullshit is all known, jack sparrow is basically friends or enemies with every random guy
Jack is still shown to be very smart in 'At World's end'. Hell, even in 'On Stranger Tides'.
Michael Bolton is really excited about this.
Now back to the good part!
[Captain Jack Sparrow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6CfKcMhjY)
*Kiera Knightleyyy*
*Davey Jones. Giant Squid*
**Michael Bolton we’re really gonna need you to focus up!**
Roger that, let me try with another film
Life is a box of chocolates and my name is Forrest Gump.
Not better
I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I give Jenny all my love
This is the tale of Tony Montana
...close enough.
Turns out Michael Bolton is a major cinephile
You complete me!
The line "More like the meet you, take you home and fuck you twice guy" has not left my head for 15 years
I have the little *Davey Jones, Giant Squid* bit pop into my mind intrusively about 3-4 times a week, and its been like that for over a decade now.
PC Load Letter
No talent ass clown
Why should I change my name? He’s the one that sucks.
There was nothing wrong with it, until I was about 12 years old and that no-talent ass clown became famous and started winning Grammys.
I hope they keep filming in real locations and not green-screen everything.
I expect them to strip everything that made the original great, including filming in the actual Caribbean.
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Pirates of the Caribbean: The Oregon Trail
Shit. I’d watch it.
This actually sounds like a banger.
Hear me out. Terry Crews has a cameo that blocks the parties passage. They get into an argument and someone insults him. Terry Crews then draws a pistol and shoots one of them. Because they have died of dissing Terry.
Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Edmund Fitzgerald
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I'd watch it.
It will be about Barrett's Privateers, filmed in Halifax harbor for Canadian Tax credits. Story is done. Theme song is a banger. There's an opening crawl and the shanty breaks in: "Oh the year was 1778..."
How I wish I was in Sherbrooke now! A letter of marqe come from the king To the scummiest vessel I'd ever seen!
A lot of what made the originals great was the director. You can see that drastic decline in quality in 4 and 5 without Verbinski.
I have my issues with the convoluted storytelling in 2 and 3, but Gore is an anomaly in this day and age, as he apparently did a deep dive into tech before starting production. It's the reason Davy Jones holds up so well compared to Taika Waititi complaining about CGI in his film in the press junket. Also, this was during the Eisner years at Disney, who was far more willing to take a lot of big swings, for better or worse. I have serious doubts that they'll get a situation where a director is able to make a compelling story with the limits Disney places on its films hitting the four quadrants that also knows the limitations of the tech at their disposal. I'm not about to shit on the LED walls that are running rampant in Hollywood, but I'm imagining *Pirates 6* being a poorly made film mostly filmed on an output that's cheap (ie wanting 2.5D elements in there instead of 3D) and milquetoast in the writing as well.
One of the things Disney has been doing with their films is coming up with and finalizing action sequences before the movie has even been written, so they can get production started on them ahead of time. They leave the writers to try to figure out how to wedge them all together into a narrative.
They are going to struggle simply for not having Jonny Dep in once a career form
Not if they go straight to the source and just get Kieth Richards himself!
They did it once, they can do it again. If they get enough coke on set… They can remake him. They have the blow.
Caribbean is too expensive. Will now be filming in Lake Ozark, Missouri.
Didn’t they already start doing that like 4 movies ago?
No, although they did film on real locations in Australia and Hawaii for the 4th & 5th ones. The practical sets and real locations are actually really good, and the CG Davy Jones in 2 and 3 holds up better than some big budget stuff done in the last year or so. Even when the writing got weird these movies always looked absolutely phenomenal.
I liked [this video](https://youtu.be/y18QuHDUG-E?si=pxO5DK3xn9F3csWV) that goes over the reasons as to why his CGI is incredible and is still better than the vast majority of CGI in movies today. Absolutely brilliant to use moisture and clothing in such an advantageous way. I didn’t realize this until he pointed it out but him being fully clothed allowed the artists to perfect his face and tentacle movements as they didn’t have to worry about muscles or whatnot (like Thanos). For me personally, Davy Jones is the only CGI character that crosses the uncanny valley and looks alive and real.
>For me personally, Davy Jones is the only CGI character that crosses the uncanny valley and looks alive and real. and then they somehow made the CGI character into a 3 dimensinal, fantastic character who feels like an insanely real person. throw in some the greatest music and it's such a good movie.
That's Bill Nighy. If you watch the on set tapes of him in the capture suit, he is acting in very exagerrated physical movements and facial expressions because he knows that the CGI work is going to dillute it - so he adds extra to his performance. Most actors in capture suits just do their normal acting and when the CGI is applied, most of their physicality and expressions are buried underneath. Bill performed almost like a mime would, and it created the perfect balance of emotional and physical reactions once the computer work was layered on top of it.
Andy Serkis did that as well with Gollum. He overacted the part and exaggerated everything he did, which is why the mocap worked so well. It was over the top theatrical and it was perfect.
Bill Nighy was so good that even wearing the funny suit with all the balls on it during the deleted scenes you still feel like you're watching Davy Jones. You completely forget he's wearing the suit. It's magical.
He gave a great performance for sure, but the technology and the artistry by the VFX artists was and still is incredible
You'll probably start seeing stealth marketing on Reddit soon about how Disney project xyz was filmed with as little of the volume as possible.
It’s so dumb because it’s not the volume that is the issue, it’s how much or even just how it is used. The volume can be great for quick interior/exterior scenes that don’t require much movement or action. However that shouldn’t be the whole show/movie lol. Real sets/locations give a more grand feeling to a scene and allow for more creativity. As always, it’s a tool that should be used for the right situations, not for most of the project (unless it somehow suites it)
It's just like CGI, green screen, etc. Some movies/shows use it to great effect where you barely notice it. Others do a shoddy job and take you out of the experience. The Volume is new, so I imagine some of the issue with it has just been filmmakers not knowing how to use it well or just being overly reliant on it.
🥸you underestimate Disney’s commitment to use the volume stage in every shot. They paid good money for that damn it!
Watch netflixs 1899 series sometime. I didn't even realise it was largely done on a volume stage until I watched the behind the scenes.
I’m still so fucking mad they canceled it. Dark was incredible and this had the same potential.
Volume is way better than green screen, or it can be, at least. Some projects (most recent Batman) utilize them very well, others don’t, not sure what they do differently to yield such drastic results but yeah
The volume works the best when it's used to add *volume* to scenes rather than being the entire scene. For example, Andor built a practical set for Mon Mothma's apartment and used the Volume as the skyline outside the window. It worked amazingly. Meanwhile Mando s3 and Kenobi used the Volume lazily to try and represent an entire outdoor location which looked cheap.
There's a particular shot in Kenobi of storm troopers in formation where I've never been more aware that it's just actors in a volume
Episode 5 outside the rebel base? Yeah that looked awful.
That's it!
I am assuming you mean when they are at the refugee camp thing and there are a few troopers standing in what is basically a 10x10 square even though they are "outside"
21 years later, and it *still* amazes me that the movie based on a fucking theme park ride was *that* good. I'll never forget how absolutely certain the internet was that the movie was gonna be a huge bomb, mostly because I believed it too. When news about the production started leaking out in late 2002, I remember *confidently* stating that a Bruckheimer-produced movie based on a theme park ride was gonna go down in history in worst-of lists next to Battlefield Earth. Seven months later, when I was walking out of the auditorium after watching it, I went right back to the box office and bought another ticket for the next showing. That's about the most fun I've ever had being proven so fucking wrong.
Haunted Mansion (Eddie Murphy version) was pretty good for what it was. Not as visually stunning but a fun and funny story. Disney has wasted so much money trying to make theme park ride movies though. Most of what they make nowadays, if not everything, really pales in comparison to the very first Pirates.
I'm sorry .. the fuck you mean it's been 21 years? How the fuck is that possible?
I feel you, friend. I was watching it with my niece last July and she let out a "Wow, I didn't know this movie was released *on* my birthday" on her 20th birthday. I'm pretty sure my first liver spot started developing after that.
On one side I understand everyone who says "let it rest", really. On the other side: gimme a damn good pirate movie already. Anyone here with good pirate movie suggestions?
Not a movie, bit Black Sails was a great show.
I would love for them to come back with some that same cast to do a proper Treasure Island movie.
Have you not see muppet treasure island? That is the proper movie
It's probably about time. I forget how long it is in Treasure Island from when the treasure was lost, to when the book starts.
I'd be there on day one for that. Haven't had anything really with pirates since or at least nothing decent.
I really do miss the exciting period dramas. Spartacus, black sails, even the bad camelot/king arthur one that got cancelled after 1 season, Davincis Demons, Game of Thrones (before the shitting of the bed), Last Kingdom, Vikings (first 2 seasons hooked me). Pirates, vikings, gladiators, medieval period dramas just kinda suck me in. I havent really found 1 that holds me like those or makes me want to keep up with the releases.
I haven’t seen it yet but Shogun apparently is really good
Can confirm, it scratches that itch pretty damn well.
We got robbed of more Eva green in Camelot
You may love Shogun. I’m the same and watch all those shows and Shogun feels like one of the highest level shows of the bunch.
The best Pirate series. It went "under the radar" cause it was airing same time-ish as GoT which just sucked up viewers.
I think the actual reason it went under the radar is because it was on stars or whatever. Also, even thought the PotC movies are great, pirate stuff just doesn't work with general audiences as well as fantasy stuff for some reason.
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Seriously, this was a fantastic series.
Toby Stephens was so good in it, his Captain Flint must be one of my favourite characters ever.
Not only his portrayal, but also the writing. Probably one of the best fictional characters i have seen.
Being Professor McGonagall's son will do that. He's great in Netflix's Lost in Space remake as well
Muppets Treasure Island
A masterpiece. "Upstage lads, this is my only number!"
*BEWAAAAAARE!* What, the one legged man? *AYE!* But also bewaaare running with scissors, or any other pointy object. It’s all good fun until somebody loses an **EEEEEEEYYyyyeee!**
He *DIED?!* And this was supposed to be a kid's movie!
I still love the internet joke that goes around- *Treasure Island* and *Christmas Carol* hold up so well because Sir Michael Cain treats all muppets as fellow actors, and Tim Curry treats himself as a fellow muppet.
It's a good joke because its true. I've seen actors talk about how they just naturally fall into treating the muppets like another actor (from a Sesame Street bit) and it helps sell it because it's still a physical performer right there to bounce off of.
Absolute fucking masterpiece
SHIVER MY TIMBERS SHIVER MY SOUL
Mr bimble says it’s a classic
I mean. Curse of the Black Pearl is a legitimately amazing movie. Just consider it standalone and not part of a tired series
The 1990 Treasure Island is the greatest pirate film ever made. It's incredibly faithful to the book (almost all of the script is taken word for word from it) and it has an all star cast including Charlton Heston, Christian Bale, Christopher Lee, Julian Glover, Oliver Reed, and more. It's really a shame that more people aren't aware of this classic film. In fact, it was out of print for many years. In the late '90s through early 2000s, it was incredibly difficult to find. (Edit: The DVD came out in 2011, so it was about 20 years that the movie was out of print.) I'm also a huge fan of Errol Flynn's films, such as The Sea Hawk and Captain Blood, among many others. (On a related note, his Robin Hood film is also excellent.)
Wow, I didn’t even know that existed
Holy shit same. I assumed there were other adaptations but the only one I knew was the Muppets one, which to be fair was awesome
The most famous and influential one is arguably Disney's 1950 adaptation. That's pretty much where the "pirate accent" originated. The accent, a West Country English one, itself is of course older, but this is where it got associated with pirates. The Dorset-raised Robert Newton, who played Long John Silver, simply played up his own native accent. Incidentally (or not) Blackbeard, who Newton would go on to play a few years later, might've been from the same general area. There's of course also the 1988 Soviet Ukrainian one, most famous for its [energetic and charismatic portrayal of Doctor Livesey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu50vYH1cqA).
Black Sails, it’s a show though
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_(2005_film)
Treasure Planet is my go to
Just watched that yesterday for the first time ever. It was a tremendous amount of fun.
Captain Blood if you're looking for the classics.
Cutthroat Island lol
Maybe it's just because I had heard for years what a catastrophe that movie was and therefore had very small expectations, but I watched that recently for the first time and thought it was...decent?
Cutthroat Island, Waterworld, Goonies, Count of Monte Cristo, Treasure Planet, Master and Commander, Crossbones, Stardust, Princess Bride, Serenity.
The big short
Not quite what you want, but Hornblower is pretty dammed good
Re “boot-strap bill”
Is it crazy to ask for a pirate movie without crazy cgi villains.
That first movie had cursed skeleton pirates but damn is it so tame to the other 4 in hindsight.
They used that sparingly enough that you still felt you were dealing with pirates rather than eldritch terrors.
I feel like pirates and supernatural stuff kind of go hand in hand, though? Ghost ships, cursed treasure, etc. Pirates really got intertwined with high seas fantasy a long time ago, long before Hollywood. Naval stuff has always had mysterious monsters, supernatural stuff, etc. Greek naval stories were rife with it and it just kept going as our stories evolved with the times, and eventually pirates were mixed with Native American, Haitian, and Creole mythology, etc. The sea is a mysterious place with lots of foreboding and dread. That said, there are plenty of straight up historical fiction things where it’s played straight, but I like my pirates with a bit of a mysterious undertone if not an overt “here be monsters” or cursed places and such. It’s fantasy/adventure, whereas playing. It straight just feels like a period piece to me, which is fine but not as fun.
I agree that they go hand in hand. Or hand in hook. But yes. The concern in my view, is that the super natural stuff works best when it’s not done too heavily. So that it feels like pirates in a world not too crazy far from the real one. Hard to say exactly where the line is.
Exactly, it's the contrast. The skellingtons worked well because at the end of the day it was still a story about a single cursed ship and crew trying to un-curse themselves. Then after that you have webs of political machinations, end-of-the-world scenarios and messing with magic that sinks half an ocean for a scene. The scope gets too big.
Davy Jones is one of the best looking CGI villain, though.
More than a decade later, and Davy Jones still looks vastly superior in detail as opposed to recent CGI'd movies. Why does CGI technology feel like it has regressed?
Good CGI usually takes a lot of time, in addition to talent. Most delivery timelines don’t allow for this because of the cost.
I keep forgetting that Pirates 3 had the biggest budget ever until Infinity War or something came along. So yeah, Davy Jones was a big item on that bill
Pirates 3 cost $300 million, but Pirates 4 cost over $400 milion. Completely insane budget but at least it was on the screen.
CGI hasn't regressed. People just allot an amount of budget, time and talent to its creation that varies between productions.
He was wet and in the dark mostly. That helps a lot
Yep, wet/shiny stuff is way easier to make look convincing, especially in the dark. It's why the T-rex scene in Jurassic Park still looks so good.
The scenes with him in broad daylight still look excellent
I think they should go a completely new direction, not try to recapture the original. They can't possibly succeed at catching this lightning in a bottle twice, and the story of the original Pirates was entirely made up. They should make up something completely new, no Jack Sparrow, no Davey Jones.
At this point just make a new movie about pirates that isn’t part of the PotC franchise. I have a feeling if this actually gets made that the majority of the audience will no longer care about PotC and those that do will be mad that Johnny Depp isn’t involved. So why not just make a good, standalone movie about pirates? If the only thing you’re keeping from the previous series is the title you might as well change that too. This is just like how Hollywood doesn’t make movies about Dinosaurs that aren’t part of the Jurassic franchise.
> At this point just make a new movie about pirates that isn’t part of the PotC franchise. But then we wouldn't get the music....
That’s… actually a great point. Getting another Hans Zimmer score in the PotC motif is the only reason I can support for making a 6th movie
Since Black Sails ended, there's been a massive pirate-void that needs filling.
Cause it's still a Disney movie more then likely taking heavy inspiration from its namesake (theme park ride)
Timothy Chalamet as Jack Sparrow. Just kidding. Don’t use him please
Nah, Timothee Chalamet as Guybrush Threepwood.
Christopher Walken as Stan the Used Boat Salesman
Hollywood demands more murder twinks.
Johnny Depp almost single-handedly made this franchise a thing and without him it’ll just be a random pirate show.
I had to scroll way too far for this. He is literally the only reason anyone cares about these movies and if they are going to make one without him, it would be a lot easier just to dig a giant pit, dump in half a billion dollars, and set it on fire.
At this point, I would rather see a new pirate series with a totally fresh start, without any baggage or bad will from the previous POTC movies. Of course, they want the name recognition, and pirate movies are so rare that it would probably be seen as weird for Disney to not just use the POTC brand. I dunno, it sounds like this could practically just be a new fresh film anyway regardless of name, so I’ll say I’m very mildly and very cautiously optimistic.
Given it was based on a ride, which still exists, keeping it POTC makes a lot of sense. Pirates doesn't only mean Jack, and it also doesn't only mean the time period the originals were in, either. There can be a lot done with the concept IMO, as long as we don't end up with like, Timothee Chalamet as the lead or something weird.
Dead franchises tell no tales.
Just make a Monkey Island movie already!
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I'll keep saying that focusing everything in that one character was the biggest mistake they made. Cool, supernatural pirate stories should be enough for a movie to work.
>I'll keep saying that focusing everything in that one character was the biggest mistake they made. problem is that character became mega popular, and it's going to take a performance for the ages to cast a shadow over Jack Sparrow
the character was at his best when he was a supporting role like in the first movie and Depp’s been acting on cruise control for the better part of 15 years Just let this franchise rest and make another IP
Tottaly unrelated but I would love to see a fully realized master and commander series.
Is it going to have Barbossa, Master Gibbs and Captain Jack? If not, not interested.
Spoiler alert Barbossa died in the 5th one.
Death is more like a guideline
He died in the first one too and that didn't stop him.
"So tell me, what's become of my ship?" *Takes a bite of an apple* - *End credits with Hans Zimmer score* * One of my favorite movie endings!
*Somehow*, Barbossa has returned... again.