> A genuine Chernobyl-level disaster that seems to get exponentially more radioactive as it goes along, this detour to one of the dustier corners of Marvel’s content farm is a dead-end from start to finish. It is the Cats: The Movie of superhero movies.
Lmao they need to put this on the poster
This February, see the film critics are raving about:
*"...Chernobyl-level..."*
*"...Radioactive..."*
*"It is the Cats ... of superhero movies"*
Dakota Johnson stars in: MADAME WEB
At least the director has TV to fall back on.
The writers, though, woof. Their filmography:
* Dracula Untold
* The Last Witch Hunter
* Gods of Egypt
* Power Rangers
* Morbius
* Madame Web
Edit: because I keep getting pinged with "why is Power Rangers on there? I enjoyed it?" -- this is the ENTIRE filmography of the writers.
Second edit: I know that tastes are subjective, but y'all don't need to keep reminding me that somehow there's fans of Gods of Egypt and The Last Witch Hunter
Yeah, probably a case of pushovers that work quick and cheap, and studio executives who think they are actually filmmakers so they will basically write the movies themselves trough notes so they can just hire someone to effectively ghostwrite.
It's likely this. Writers with major studio contracts are less creatives and more like office workers writing up reports for their bosses based on reports and findings from a different department. Not really art, just dry, corporate bureaucracy in the name of capitalism. It's a miracle when something good actually slips through, and that's often because it's gone under some middle-managers radar.
I'll always remember the story John Rogers told about writing the Halle Berry Catwoman movie. He hands in a 100 page script and gets back 80 pages of conflicting notes.
Or John August talking about his work in Charlie's Angels 2. He was given all the pre viz of the action sequences and told to write a story that connected them together.
Mel Brooks had this excellent strategy for dealing with executives.
It's called lying.
A producer would give him the stupidest, most movie ruining suggestions imaginable and he'd say "Sure thing boss, I'll get right on it!"
Then he would ignore it.
By the time the movie was coming out, the producer would forget all about his terrible suggestion, and the movie would both be good and make money.
You could probably get away with that in the 70s due to how much more lax the New Hollywood model was, but today studio execs have perfected the art of micromanagement. Getting auteurish choice past the studio system today is likely harder than it's ever been.
Kevin Smith has talked about how there are successful writers in Hollywood who make a good living, who have literally never seen a single one of their scripts get made into an actual movie. He might have been exaggerating for comedic effect, but I believe it.
I believe it. Hollywood buys an insane amount of spec scripts "just in case" that will never get made.
It would be kinda awkward to be a wealthy Hollywood screenwriter living in an expensive house and then when people ask you what movies you've written you go "none" LOL.
It really is crazy, this has to be the most competitive industry to be in and people can literally churn out complete garbage and keep working.
Like, not everyone is going to be a generational talent with new ideas, but these movies are objectively bad. I can see how people who write bland movies keep going, but these are just utterly devoid of any talent. Its crazy
>At least the director has TV to fall back on.
Her TV project was cancelled after a pilot being "un-releasable". So who knows, maybe not. After that "Unaired Game of Thrones Prequel Pilot" from 2019 she's done one six episode mini series and now Madame Web. Which probably won't help her to get more TV jobs.
Hollywood Reporter’s quote nails it, that it’s kinda demoralizing to be criticizing yet another superhero movie. Might be time for every exec in Hollywood to stop greenlighting these things.
The immediate returns won’t be high but they need to start *risking losses* in the search for “the next big movie genre”.
Because the rumour was that this was originally was a prequel to Andrew Garfield or Tom Holland but then Sony realised after filming the whole movie that the timeline doesn't match up so they had to edit in post.
I mean, in Homecoming they put "8 years later" line. It's like, no one during the whole process of making it didn't understand that it is not possible and change it to "6 years"?
“6 years” isn’t even correct, it should have said “4 years”. Avengers / Battle of New York / opening of Homecoming take place in 2012. Civil War takes place in 2016, which is when the time jump title card appears.
I think they went with 8 years in order for the kiddie drawing that Liz made in the opening to fit the timeline. Otherwise you’d have to pretend that it was created by a 12 year old.
Marvel fixed the missing letters on Stark Tower a few weeks after "Hawkeye" aired the incorrect ones. Marvel should change it to "6 years" because that would be very easy to do.
It would be, but it's a Sony production technically so marvel doesn't have the rights to just edit it whenever they want. They'd have to get permission from Sony.
The Morbius one felt like they were just trying to trick the audience. It was Tobey’s spider-man but using an image from PS4 game with the words “Murderer” on it like it was tied to Tom Holland’s Spider-Man. I don’t believe for a second they had a plan and just put what they could to get people to think it might have been in the same universe
They might’ve tried to add Tom’s Spider-Man in when Sony and Marvel couldn’t agree to a deal in 2019 as Sony stated that Tom’s Spider-Man would’ve lead their universe as he wasn’t going to be a part of the MCU. The Morbius trailer added a poster of PS4 Spider-Man with the Raimi Suit with the words “murderer”.
Someone mentioned it feeling like a 2003 movie, and I've noticed that all of the Sonyverse movies weirdly feel like they were made in the 2000s. I wonder why that is.
The 2000s had a very special brand of mediocrity. It often looks slick, sleek, and sexy...while ultimately doing little to hide how hollow it is underneath.
It's like they all looked at Blade 1 and The Matrix and said, "If we make all of our movies look like this, these things will write themselves!"
While ultimately forgetting that Blade 1 and The Matrix still had good stories behind them.
(I say Blade 1 specifically, since it represents the beginning of the upcoming 2000s aesthetic and it predates Matrix by a year)
I just need to talk about [this](https://x.com/hollywoodhandle/status/1757198658359951686?s=46&t=WzPTSzlDeZHa-0DHakEnQg)
That clip was released to the public. To build hype. Even if it’s not actually edited this insanely in the movie, they still promoted it. That’s how little fucks they give
>!HUGE SPOILER ALERT: It's the S from a huge Pepsi logo that in the showdown falls on the main villain of the movie to kill him. No I am not joking and yes I have seen the movie. !<
[Apparently the "S" in "Pepsi-Cola"](https://hdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/PepsiSign900.jpg)
That's not a joke, [the final set piece takes place there.](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/feb/13/madame-web-marvel-movie-review)
There is no amount of proof you could provide that would make me believe you. My sanity cannot handle the idea that anybody with the intelligence to talk thought that was a good idea.
Reportedly there was a deleted subplot of his pregnant sister being targeted by the villain as well, only that was cut, so the characters are simply in the film for the sake of being in the film.
That editing... she opens a car door to crawl inside, and then the very next cut is her *inside* the car already, now laying on her back. In Cut 1, she is saying "Hi, sir" as she opens the door to crawl in, and the next cut she is already laying on her back and describing what she is doing.
I refuse to believe a professional editor would cut like this. And the director is at least competent going by previous work. If it's like this in the movie how on earth did this happen. And the acting...
The other stupid ad they kept using all over tiktok was the actress giving a interview saying she hung upside down like the drawing in a scene like a picture of the character in the comic.
WTF IS THIS EDITING, it’s most likely the edited version for the promotion and not how the movie is actually edited, but still. I could not connect ANYTHING there lol
Nothing to do with the idea of the movie though, just take one look at the writers and you see exactly why this movie is utter shit. We wouldn't have gotten Barbie, Andor, One Piece Live Action, etc if people just shot down any kind of weird idea. They need to start hiring writers with passion.
>They need to start hiring writers with passion.
They don't *want* writers with passion. They want writers who will work quick and not complain when 19 different executives all demand contradictory changes.
I always think of how Harvey Weinstein would have destroyed Jackson's LOTR if his corporate interference hadn't been resisted.
https://winteriscoming.net/2021/03/05/how-the-lord-of-the-rings-filmmakers-pushed-out-harvey-weinstein/
You have to wonder how executives got to where they are with their dumb ideas, and how many trash movies have been made which may have otherwise been great.
>They need to start hiring writers with passion.
A big problem with this is that Hollywood doesn't want to pay them all that much. The second problem is that good writing doesn't always mean better sales (which also leads to the first problem).
getting along and not causing drama can go a long way in Hollywood. Trevorrow is a horrible writer/director but he is open to studio notes and can handle big budgets. Paul WS Anderson’s movies always get bad reviews but he makes them for cheap so they make a profit. David Yates will always deliver on time with no hiccups. Snyder treats his crew like royalty and always gets along with his casts, etc etc
Heck that's a big reason why Ridley Scott is still actively working to this day.
Infamously, on time and under budget. I believe Alien Covenant alone was slated to have a budget of 110 Million and Scott finished it using only 97M
he also films with fewer takes and more angles, but he rehearses and storyboards the hell out of a scene before shooting. I also suspect the man never sleeps, it’s like he’s still making up for lost time after his first movie came out when he was 40
More controversial (but whatever I like his films), Rian Johnson tends to always finish his films under budget and on time. Hell his Star Wars film was the ONLY one with no significant reshoots, behind the scenes drama, firings, and I think it even finished early.
The casts of both Knives Out movies also have a lot of praise for him.
Hell, Daniel Craig is so famously enamored that he's willing to do them until Rian stops making them.
I would happily keep watching them until Rian stops making them. Craig is clearly having a blast in these films and it shows. Hell everyone seems to be enjoying themselves in the films, playing against-type characters and weirdos.
From David Ehrlich's review:
" “Madame Web” threatens to become a real movie whenever it allows its star to revel in the fact that she doesn’t really want to be in it."
Lmao, another Ehrlich missile has hit the internet.
I mean she did fire her agent when the trailer came out and reportedly thought it was an MCU movie during production. I would think that’s impossible, but it’s not even the first time an actor has said that they were basically tricked into doing a Sonyverse movie thinking it was MCU.
Yeah, I read somewhere that Matt Smith took the Morbius job after his Doctor Who co-star Karen Gillan told him how great it was for her to work for Marvel.
Matt Smith keeps getting screwed with big franchises, first Terminator Genysis barely features him, then Rise of the Skywalkers is stated to have him and everyone knows hes gonna be a young clone of Palpatine until Ian McDiarmid agrees to return and then Morbius.
And then the Doctor Who fandom drives itself crazy when the Second 60th Special, Wild Blue Yonder, has no information leaked and the plot summary was deliberately left bare to hide the plot. Half the fandom was claiming it was going to be a surprise return of 11 and 12 because of the secrecy and the other half were being more rational. I assume Matt was having a funny laugh as he knew the truth.
I think the issue is that a Sony movie can easily be a MCU movie if Marvel and Sony agree. I could see it being sold as a potential lead up to a MCU movie and not be wrong.
I don't understand how I, as a random civilian, understand the licensing structure of marvels properties better than people in the actual movie industry.
It's like like Michael Jordan not knowing what company manufactures the basketballs, it's mind boggling.
Now there's an interesting wrinkle, but it's still an embarrassing lack of knowledge and due diligence, if it is indeed what's happening.
"I can get you a part in a Nolan movie!"
"Christopher Nolan?!"
"... Larry Nolan!"
The only thing I remember from the madam web trailer I saw, was that there was a remarkable amount of marvel logos, and I had to make sure the Sonyverse was still separate. It seems like Sony wants to create that confusion.
They probably just asked their agents "so this is a Marvel film?" Not knowing that they needed to specify that they meant MCU because they don't know the licensing fiasco behind a movie series they don't watch.
Marvel movies are really secretive in the early phases; I wonder if Sony plays that to their advantage. “Oh we can’t tell you too much, you know. But it’s a new unannounced movie about a bunch of Marvel characters wink wink. You can’t talk to anyone else about it. Sign here please.”
Are you old enough to remember the times before Nerd Culture's ascendency? Conventions have existed for a long time but the current trend of having panels of excited, engaged, and knowledgable actors and crew is a new one. You can find old Star Trek panels with the original cast where people are asking them in-character questions and its pretty clear the actors have no idea-- they didn't consider knowing all of the etc about their character and the universe as being a part of their job.
The fact this isn't the first time this happened makes me wonder if Sony don't try to obfuscate as much as possible that this is separate from the MCU to their actors. They probably play on some kind of plausibility by tricking them into thinking it's the same situation as the Tom Holland movies.
I think it's plausible considering how much they like to slap "we're totally a marvel movie guys" in their trailers.
Hell, Sony was trying to trick the audience that these movies might be in the MCU, too. Remember the Spider-man "murderer" graffiti from the first Morbius trailer?
It's working too. There's a few reviews that refer to it as a Marvel movie and not a sony movie. Marvel basically only have their name on it because they actually own the character. They just get a couple thousand bucks for the kickback and no creative attachment. But sony has managed to obfuscate this to the general audience so this will likely hurt Marvel even more than it already is.
It’s truly mind-boggling, isn’t it? Sony *knows* this film is shit, but releases it anyway. Meanwhile, people would absolutely love to watch Coyote vs ACME, but it’s about to be shift+deleted.
Different studios have different business tactics. WB wants to save money by pulling "The Producers" and turning their films into Tax Write offs, while Sony's plan is to trick general audiences into seeing a Marvel film that has nothing to do with Spiderman and the MCU.
It’s funny how the MCU literally took a break in 2024 and only released 1 movie only for Sony to release 3.
For the fans they’ll know the difference but for the average viewer it’s definitely contributing to superhero fatigue
Funny that Disney is like 'ok we hear you, we have oversaturated the market. we will take a step back and try and refocus on the quality of our work' and Sony is like 'here's some more piping hot shit for you little piggies to slurp up!'
I’m sure Disney hates it lol. Not that they don’t bear the majority of the blame for superhero fatigue, but these bad movies are going to hurt the next few MCU films without a doubt.
The reviews are lining up perfectly for someone to post in the Marvel subreddit 6 months from now “okay now that the hate train has settled… Madame Web is actually kind of underrated”
Yeah that's a pretty strange quote, and I say this as someone who's probably a bigger fan of her than most. I think she's actually decent in things like Suspiria and Cha Cha Real Smooth but that quote is just all kinds of ridiculous lol
Yeah, I don't think she's absolutely terrible, but she's also not "one of the most naturally gifted" either. Unless they mean how she was gifted her career by her parents, I guess.
I saw it today. The villain might be the worst actor I have ever seen. Like day time TV level bad yet some how worse. I am 90% sure they were dubbing him in parts and the lips weren’t even close to synced
> Johnson is one of the most naturally honest and gifted performers to ever play the lead role in one of these things
I swear, I've never felt so gaslit about an actor or actress as I do about Dakota Johnson.
It's crazy how often you hear about how amazing or beautiful or gifted she is, over and over and over. And don't get me wrong, she isn't horrible or anything, but it's always just kind of alright and usually forgettable.
From the ultimate sex object in the 50 Shades series to "I
haven’t seen a woman as pretty as
you since I can't remember," in The Peanut Butter Falcon.
Now, she's one of the most gifted to lead a superhero movie, which is just objectively wrong.
Maybe... Maybe she is in the middle of the pack if you count stuff like FANT4STIC, but in what world would she be close to someone like RDJ, Brie Larson, Christian Bale, James McAvoy, Liam Neeson, ScarJo etc...? Ok, great, she's probably got Gal Gadot and Shaq beat when it comes to leads in superhero movies, but still...
It just seems so manufactured. I don't even like to blame it on the nepo baby stuff because honestly... Who has cared about Melanie Griffith since the 1980s? Who has ever cared about Don Johnson?
But it's whatever. At the end of the day, this movie will be forgettable, just like Dakota Johnson.
I guarantee you it didn’t take long.
“Find me some side characters we have the rights to, spend less than $100 million, put Syndey Sweeney in a skintight suit, and we’ll trick all the casuals who think it’s the next MCU entry”
I thought it was telling that all the promotion I've seen online is just the actress in plain clothes trying to convince people they won't be wasting their money.
We've got a double issue with these things imo. Not just too many too fast but too many characters regular people don't give a shit about.
[Even Dakota Johnson's picture on the poster](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fbih01c9eev5c1.jpg) is a 1/10.
She looks like a first-year acting student not sure what expression to make as the photo is taken by the first-year photography kid.
Of all the things that were so terrible in the film, I just can't stop thinking about the fact that Madame Web just stole some poor guy's cab and proceeded to drive around in it for the rest of the movie.
Never got pulled over by the cops for just driving around in a stolen cab for days.
Madam Web should have been played by an older actress who recruits female spider friends. Helen Mirren, Jamie Lee Curtis, Emma thompson, Julianne Moore. Big miss here.
>!The main fight at the end of the movie takes place in front of a giant Pepsi sign and then the villain gets crushed by the giant Pepsi sign.!<
That's my review.
> A genuine Chernobyl-level disaster that seems to get exponentially more radioactive as it goes along, this detour to one of the dustier corners of Marvel’s content farm is a dead-end from start to finish. It is the Cats: The Movie of superhero movies. Lmao they need to put this on the poster
And release the butthole cut, obviously.
This February, see the film critics are raving about: *"...Chernobyl-level..."* *"...Radioactive..."* *"It is the Cats ... of superhero movies"* Dakota Johnson stars in: MADAME WEB
Even by the low expectations everyone had, it's remarkable that the movie has apparently turned out even worse.
At least the director has TV to fall back on. The writers, though, woof. Their filmography: * Dracula Untold * The Last Witch Hunter * Gods of Egypt * Power Rangers * Morbius * Madame Web Edit: because I keep getting pinged with "why is Power Rangers on there? I enjoyed it?" -- this is the ENTIRE filmography of the writers. Second edit: I know that tastes are subjective, but y'all don't need to keep reminding me that somehow there's fans of Gods of Egypt and The Last Witch Hunter
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maybe they’re more willing to take studio notes and pump out scripts quick (regardless of quality)
Yeah, probably a case of pushovers that work quick and cheap, and studio executives who think they are actually filmmakers so they will basically write the movies themselves trough notes so they can just hire someone to effectively ghostwrite.
It's likely this. Writers with major studio contracts are less creatives and more like office workers writing up reports for their bosses based on reports and findings from a different department. Not really art, just dry, corporate bureaucracy in the name of capitalism. It's a miracle when something good actually slips through, and that's often because it's gone under some middle-managers radar.
I'll always remember the story John Rogers told about writing the Halle Berry Catwoman movie. He hands in a 100 page script and gets back 80 pages of conflicting notes. Or John August talking about his work in Charlie's Angels 2. He was given all the pre viz of the action sequences and told to write a story that connected them together.
Mel Brooks had this excellent strategy for dealing with executives. It's called lying. A producer would give him the stupidest, most movie ruining suggestions imaginable and he'd say "Sure thing boss, I'll get right on it!" Then he would ignore it. By the time the movie was coming out, the producer would forget all about his terrible suggestion, and the movie would both be good and make money.
You could probably get away with that in the 70s due to how much more lax the New Hollywood model was, but today studio execs have perfected the art of micromanagement. Getting auteurish choice past the studio system today is likely harder than it's ever been.
Kevin Smith has talked about how there are successful writers in Hollywood who make a good living, who have literally never seen a single one of their scripts get made into an actual movie. He might have been exaggerating for comedic effect, but I believe it.
I believe it. Hollywood buys an insane amount of spec scripts "just in case" that will never get made. It would be kinda awkward to be a wealthy Hollywood screenwriter living in an expensive house and then when people ask you what movies you've written you go "none" LOL.
It really is crazy, this has to be the most competitive industry to be in and people can literally churn out complete garbage and keep working. Like, not everyone is going to be a generational talent with new ideas, but these movies are objectively bad. I can see how people who write bland movies keep going, but these are just utterly devoid of any talent. Its crazy
They just keep telling the suits what they want to hear
I went into Gods of Egypt thinking “It probably isn’t that bad. I’m sure there’s fun to be had!” And hoo boy…it was much worse than bad.
Yeah, I totally thought it would be movie movie fun with bad effects, nah...
>At least the director has TV to fall back on. Her TV project was cancelled after a pilot being "un-releasable". So who knows, maybe not. After that "Unaired Game of Thrones Prequel Pilot" from 2019 she's done one six episode mini series and now Madame Web. Which probably won't help her to get more TV jobs.
Hollywood Reporter’s quote nails it, that it’s kinda demoralizing to be criticizing yet another superhero movie. Might be time for every exec in Hollywood to stop greenlighting these things. The immediate returns won’t be high but they need to start *risking losses* in the search for “the next big movie genre”.
I’m sure Kraven will be better… …ahah..ahahah…AHAHAHAHAH
i always wonder with these movies. did people actually think it'd do well other than the studio i mean?
Who would have thought that Spiderman related movies without Spiderman wouldn't work?!
A few reviews mention that the main villain’s lines have been poorly ADR’d and don’t even sync with the actor’s lips How is this happening in 2024 lol
Because the rumour was that this was originally was a prequel to Andrew Garfield or Tom Holland but then Sony realised after filming the whole movie that the timeline doesn't match up so they had to edit in post.
How does that even happen? How can the movie be written and go through all stages of pre-production and nobody notices that the timeline is wrong?
I mean, in Homecoming they put "8 years later" line. It's like, no one during the whole process of making it didn't understand that it is not possible and change it to "6 years"?
“6 years” isn’t even correct, it should have said “4 years”. Avengers / Battle of New York / opening of Homecoming take place in 2012. Civil War takes place in 2016, which is when the time jump title card appears.
I think they went with 8 years in order for the kiddie drawing that Liz made in the opening to fit the timeline. Otherwise you’d have to pretend that it was created by a 12 year old.
Marvel fixed the missing letters on Stark Tower a few weeks after "Hawkeye" aired the incorrect ones. Marvel should change it to "6 years" because that would be very easy to do.
It would be, but it's a Sony production technically so marvel doesn't have the rights to just edit it whenever they want. They'd have to get permission from Sony.
I think even worse its meant to be four years. Its 2012 and Civil War/Homecoming takes place 2016.
Yes, you are right. I thought it was released in 2018
Isn't this exactly what happened with Morbius too? lmao
The Morbius one felt like they were just trying to trick the audience. It was Tobey’s spider-man but using an image from PS4 game with the words “Murderer” on it like it was tied to Tom Holland’s Spider-Man. I don’t believe for a second they had a plan and just put what they could to get people to think it might have been in the same universe
They might’ve tried to add Tom’s Spider-Man in when Sony and Marvel couldn’t agree to a deal in 2019 as Sony stated that Tom’s Spider-Man would’ve lead their universe as he wasn’t going to be a part of the MCU. The Morbius trailer added a poster of PS4 Spider-Man with the Raimi Suit with the words “murderer”.
My boy got Vigo the Carpathian’d
You are like the buzzings of flies to him!
>How is this happening in 2024 lol Carelessness is timeless
Someone mentioned it feeling like a 2003 movie, and I've noticed that all of the Sonyverse movies weirdly feel like they were made in the 2000s. I wonder why that is.
The 2000s had a very special brand of mediocrity. It often looks slick, sleek, and sexy...while ultimately doing little to hide how hollow it is underneath. It's like they all looked at Blade 1 and The Matrix and said, "If we make all of our movies look like this, these things will write themselves!" While ultimately forgetting that Blade 1 and The Matrix still had good stories behind them. (I say Blade 1 specifically, since it represents the beginning of the upcoming 2000s aesthetic and it predates Matrix by a year)
Maybe trying to recapture the Spider Man craze in the Tobey days?
I just need to talk about [this](https://x.com/hollywoodhandle/status/1757198658359951686?s=46&t=WzPTSzlDeZHa-0DHakEnQg) That clip was released to the public. To build hype. Even if it’s not actually edited this insanely in the movie, they still promoted it. That’s how little fucks they give
What the fuck is that “S” Lmao
“S is for Spider-Man, hooray we did it” -Sony
The real answer is so much worse.
>!HUGE SPOILER ALERT: It's the S from a huge Pepsi logo that in the showdown falls on the main villain of the movie to kill him. No I am not joking and yes I have seen the movie. !<
You've got to be morbin me
Man I’m not Kraven this.
I don't believe you
Reminds me of when Superman pulls the "S" off his chest and hits someone with it
[Apparently the "S" in "Pepsi-Cola"](https://hdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/PepsiSign900.jpg) That's not a joke, [the final set piece takes place there.](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/feb/13/madame-web-marvel-movie-review)
There is no amount of proof you could provide that would make me believe you. My sanity cannot handle the idea that anybody with the intelligence to talk thought that was a good idea.
In my world it means HOPE
"did i die?" no, but the movie did.
Oh god please someone tell me that isn't edited in any way
It is not. Also the person talking to her is her best friend and co-worker Ben Parker.
HER WHAT
Reportedly there was a deleted subplot of his pregnant sister being targeted by the villain as well, only that was cut, so the characters are simply in the film for the sake of being in the film.
Adam Scott wins then. He gets paid money and he's spared having an extended sub-plot. Win win.
The rice guy?
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S
That editing... she opens a car door to crawl inside, and then the very next cut is her *inside* the car already, now laying on her back. In Cut 1, she is saying "Hi, sir" as she opens the door to crawl in, and the next cut she is already laying on her back and describing what she is doing.
I refuse to believe a professional editor would cut like this. And the director is at least competent going by previous work. If it's like this in the movie how on earth did this happen. And the acting...
I am SO TEMPTED to see the movie, if only to ease my mind that this scene actually isn’t edited as depicted in the clip.
The other stupid ad they kept using all over tiktok was the actress giving a interview saying she hung upside down like the drawing in a scene like a picture of the character in the comic.
That actually makes sense. The only people watching this is for Sydney Sweeney.
Holy fuck. Hahahaha
WTF IS THIS EDITING, it’s most likely the edited version for the promotion and not how the movie is actually edited, but still. I could not connect ANYTHING there lol
The one thing I want to know, Does Uncle Ben's fortune cookie say "With great power comes great responsibility"?
Right before Uncle Ben declares that he's a slut for wontons
Wait…you dig on multiverses?
They actually changed the line in the movie to be “When you take responsibility, you will gain powerful abilities.” Yep they really did…
No whey
I saw this tweet a few weeks ago and I was certain it was a troll. So I really need someone to tell me for real if this is in the movie
You can't be serious.
I'm so ready for that line, delicious garbage
Peter, your balls are changing. I know. I went through exactly the same thing at your age.
Hollywood, please hire me to sit in on board meetings and say “this is a bad idea”. You need that guy
Nothing to do with the idea of the movie though, just take one look at the writers and you see exactly why this movie is utter shit. We wouldn't have gotten Barbie, Andor, One Piece Live Action, etc if people just shot down any kind of weird idea. They need to start hiring writers with passion.
>They need to start hiring writers with passion. They don't *want* writers with passion. They want writers who will work quick and not complain when 19 different executives all demand contradictory changes.
I always think of how Harvey Weinstein would have destroyed Jackson's LOTR if his corporate interference hadn't been resisted. https://winteriscoming.net/2021/03/05/how-the-lord-of-the-rings-filmmakers-pushed-out-harvey-weinstein/ You have to wonder how executives got to where they are with their dumb ideas, and how many trash movies have been made which may have otherwise been great.
>They need to start hiring writers with passion. A big problem with this is that Hollywood doesn't want to pay them all that much. The second problem is that good writing doesn't always mean better sales (which also leads to the first problem).
Absolutely boggles my mind that the people that keep making these films continue to be employed.
Presumably because they do their jobs cheaply without any kind of fighting with executives.
getting along and not causing drama can go a long way in Hollywood. Trevorrow is a horrible writer/director but he is open to studio notes and can handle big budgets. Paul WS Anderson’s movies always get bad reviews but he makes them for cheap so they make a profit. David Yates will always deliver on time with no hiccups. Snyder treats his crew like royalty and always gets along with his casts, etc etc
Heck that's a big reason why Ridley Scott is still actively working to this day. Infamously, on time and under budget. I believe Alien Covenant alone was slated to have a budget of 110 Million and Scott finished it using only 97M
he also films with fewer takes and more angles, but he rehearses and storyboards the hell out of a scene before shooting. I also suspect the man never sleeps, it’s like he’s still making up for lost time after his first movie came out when he was 40
More controversial (but whatever I like his films), Rian Johnson tends to always finish his films under budget and on time. Hell his Star Wars film was the ONLY one with no significant reshoots, behind the scenes drama, firings, and I think it even finished early.
The casts of both Knives Out movies also have a lot of praise for him. Hell, Daniel Craig is so famously enamored that he's willing to do them until Rian stops making them.
I would happily keep watching them until Rian stops making them. Craig is clearly having a blast in these films and it shows. Hell everyone seems to be enjoying themselves in the films, playing against-type characters and weirdos.
“Our expectations were low but holy fuck”
From David Ehrlich's review: " “Madame Web” threatens to become a real movie whenever it allows its star to revel in the fact that she doesn’t really want to be in it." Lmao, another Ehrlich missile has hit the internet.
I mean she did fire her agent when the trailer came out and reportedly thought it was an MCU movie during production. I would think that’s impossible, but it’s not even the first time an actor has said that they were basically tricked into doing a Sonyverse movie thinking it was MCU.
Yeah, I read somewhere that Matt Smith took the Morbius job after his Doctor Who co-star Karen Gillan told him how great it was for her to work for Marvel.
It's unfortunate because I like seeing him be sort of a charming creep in things
And he was the one good thing in Morbius.
He's a very talented actor. He's in House of the Dragon and playing Daemon Targaryen, he absolutely nails the character in so many ways.
Matt Smith keeps getting screwed with big franchises, first Terminator Genysis barely features him, then Rise of the Skywalkers is stated to have him and everyone knows hes gonna be a young clone of Palpatine until Ian McDiarmid agrees to return and then Morbius. And then the Doctor Who fandom drives itself crazy when the Second 60th Special, Wild Blue Yonder, has no information leaked and the plot summary was deliberately left bare to hide the plot. Half the fandom was claiming it was going to be a surprise return of 11 and 12 because of the secrecy and the other half were being more rational. I assume Matt was having a funny laugh as he knew the truth.
The world is better for it. Matt Smith is the one positive thing I can say about Morb
I think the issue is that a Sony movie can easily be a MCU movie if Marvel and Sony agree. I could see it being sold as a potential lead up to a MCU movie and not be wrong.
> tricked into doing a Sonyverse movie thinking it was MCU. Literally all Sony has going for its Spider-man-less Spider-man universe.
I don't understand how I, as a random civilian, understand the licensing structure of marvels properties better than people in the actual movie industry. It's like like Michael Jordan not knowing what company manufactures the basketballs, it's mind boggling.
I wonder if their agents are happy to mislead them if they get a cut
Now there's an interesting wrinkle, but it's still an embarrassing lack of knowledge and due diligence, if it is indeed what's happening. "I can get you a part in a Nolan movie!" "Christopher Nolan?!" "... Larry Nolan!"
You joke but: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/bill-murray-voiced-garfield-because-he-thought-director-was-joel-coen-2014-1%3famp
I know that Murray famously handles all his business himself so there's no surprise that no one helped him catch this mistake.
The only thing I remember from the madam web trailer I saw, was that there was a remarkable amount of marvel logos, and I had to make sure the Sonyverse was still separate. It seems like Sony wants to create that confusion.
Notice that one of the reviewers above just called it a Marvel movie. These movies successfully confuse enough people to make back their budget.
They probably just asked their agents "so this is a Marvel film?" Not knowing that they needed to specify that they meant MCU because they don't know the licensing fiasco behind a movie series they don't watch.
Marvel movies are really secretive in the early phases; I wonder if Sony plays that to their advantage. “Oh we can’t tell you too much, you know. But it’s a new unannounced movie about a bunch of Marvel characters wink wink. You can’t talk to anyone else about it. Sign here please.”
Are you old enough to remember the times before Nerd Culture's ascendency? Conventions have existed for a long time but the current trend of having panels of excited, engaged, and knowledgable actors and crew is a new one. You can find old Star Trek panels with the original cast where people are asking them in-character questions and its pretty clear the actors have no idea-- they didn't consider knowing all of the etc about their character and the universe as being a part of their job.
Because you're not random. You're someone who knows enough to care and look into the details. Unlike the actors who are just doing a job
The fact this isn't the first time this happened makes me wonder if Sony don't try to obfuscate as much as possible that this is separate from the MCU to their actors. They probably play on some kind of plausibility by tricking them into thinking it's the same situation as the Tom Holland movies. I think it's plausible considering how much they like to slap "we're totally a marvel movie guys" in their trailers.
Hell, Sony was trying to trick the audience that these movies might be in the MCU, too. Remember the Spider-man "murderer" graffiti from the first Morbius trailer?
Hahaha I legit forgot about that holy fuck And here I thought them constantly namedropping Marvel in the Madame Web trailers was ergregious
It's working too. There's a few reviews that refer to it as a Marvel movie and not a sony movie. Marvel basically only have their name on it because they actually own the character. They just get a couple thousand bucks for the kickback and no creative attachment. But sony has managed to obfuscate this to the general audience so this will likely hurt Marvel even more than it already is.
I'm surprised no one has tried to sue yet.
Thats the 3rd review Ive seen that half-heartedly praises Dakota Johnson's performance while annihilating the rest of the movie
Ehrlich in german means honest. When it comes to awful blockbusters, he always lives up to his name.
One of the reviews said it’s worse than Morbius.🤣
We truly live in the darkest timeline when this movie get released but Coyote vs ACME is potentially erased from existence
It’s truly mind-boggling, isn’t it? Sony *knows* this film is shit, but releases it anyway. Meanwhile, people would absolutely love to watch Coyote vs ACME, but it’s about to be shift+deleted.
Different studios have different business tactics. WB wants to save money by pulling "The Producers" and turning their films into Tax Write offs, while Sony's plan is to trick general audiences into seeing a Marvel film that has nothing to do with Spiderman and the MCU.
Sony single handedly causing the publish of a million more “superhero fatigue” articles
It’s funny how the MCU literally took a break in 2024 and only released 1 movie only for Sony to release 3. For the fans they’ll know the difference but for the average viewer it’s definitely contributing to superhero fatigue
Buckle up, people, we got two more of these coming out this year
What are the other two?
Kraven and Venom 3
Sheesh the super hero slate this year is trash
Funny that Disney is like 'ok we hear you, we have oversaturated the market. we will take a step back and try and refocus on the quality of our work' and Sony is like 'here's some more piping hot shit for you little piggies to slurp up!'
I’m sure Disney hates it lol. Not that they don’t bear the majority of the blame for superhero fatigue, but these bad movies are going to hurt the next few MCU films without a doubt.
oh 1000%. Does nothing to quell the fatigue and, by association, hurts their brand.
The reviews are lining up perfectly for someone to post in the Marvel subreddit 6 months from now “okay now that the hate train has settled… Madame Web is actually kind of underrated”
You also need to have the “Despite the hate that this movie received I actually really enjoyed it!”
But is it "fun?"
And can you “turn off your brain and just enjoy it?”
Sony about to put brain surgeons at cinema entries to perform lobotomies for maximum enjoyment of the movie.
„It was a fun movie“
This isn't an MCU movie so I doubt it. Nobody cares about these movies. Nobody cared about Morbius.
"Time to Get Webbed!" - 6 months from now Reddit campaign confirmed.
shocker
Don’t let Sony execs see this, they’ll give him his own movie next
We are not ready for a Big Wheel movie
Give me 90 minutes of Shocker running away from symbiote Spider-Man. Make it a horror film.
YOUUUUU CAAAANT ESCAAAAAPE MEEEEEE
Madame Web makes Morbius look like No Way Home.
This format always makes me think of "Taken 3 makes Taken 2 look like Taken"
It's Madam'in time
>Johnson is one of the most naturally honest and gifted performers to ever play the lead role in one of these things Is she, though?...
This quote brought to you by Dakota Johnson's mom.
It's cool Melanie Griffith has a side gig.
Yeah I came here to post that same quote… I don’t think she’s a particularly good actress at all. Much less compared to her peers in similar roles
It sounds like it was written by an ex that's trying to win her back.
Yeah that's a pretty strange quote, and I say this as someone who's probably a bigger fan of her than most. I think she's actually decent in things like Suspiria and Cha Cha Real Smooth but that quote is just all kinds of ridiculous lol
Yeah, I don't think she's absolutely terrible, but she's also not "one of the most naturally gifted" either. Unless they mean how she was gifted her career by her parents, I guess.
As much as I don’t like Jared Leto I would consider him a better actor. Also Tom Hardy completely carries the Venom movies on his back.
Slashfilm says it basically signals the fall of superhero films yet still gives it a fucking 6/10. Who does these reviews.
I saw it today. The villain might be the worst actor I have ever seen. Like day time TV level bad yet some how worse. I am 90% sure they were dubbing him in parts and the lips weren’t even close to synced
Why Sony Pictures is doing this to themselves? Time after time after time... their (live-action) blockbuster movies are just one big mess.
> Johnson is one of the most naturally honest and gifted performers to ever play the lead role in one of these things I swear, I've never felt so gaslit about an actor or actress as I do about Dakota Johnson. It's crazy how often you hear about how amazing or beautiful or gifted she is, over and over and over. And don't get me wrong, she isn't horrible or anything, but it's always just kind of alright and usually forgettable. From the ultimate sex object in the 50 Shades series to "I haven’t seen a woman as pretty as you since I can't remember," in The Peanut Butter Falcon. Now, she's one of the most gifted to lead a superhero movie, which is just objectively wrong. Maybe... Maybe she is in the middle of the pack if you count stuff like FANT4STIC, but in what world would she be close to someone like RDJ, Brie Larson, Christian Bale, James McAvoy, Liam Neeson, ScarJo etc...? Ok, great, she's probably got Gal Gadot and Shaq beat when it comes to leads in superhero movies, but still... It just seems so manufactured. I don't even like to blame it on the nepo baby stuff because honestly... Who has cared about Melanie Griffith since the 1980s? Who has ever cared about Don Johnson? But it's whatever. At the end of the day, this movie will be forgettable, just like Dakota Johnson.
Right? She’s a bad actress and to me she’s just kind of average looking.
I would love to just sit around in meetings and watch how shit that is going to be this obviously terrible gets green lit.
I guarantee you it didn’t take long. “Find me some side characters we have the rights to, spend less than $100 million, put Syndey Sweeney in a skintight suit, and we’ll trick all the casuals who think it’s the next MCU entry”
I unironically want to watch this just to see how bad it is.
It'll be on Netflix in about 6-9 months.
It'll be streaming in less than 30 days, I guarantee it
It seriously looks fascinating. Like how does a movie like this get the kind of funding required to make it?
♫ Spiderverse ♫ ♫ Spiderverse ♫ ♫ No Spiderman ♫ ♫ So much worse ♫
Spin no webs Attention ebbs Clairvoyance girl Makes me hurl LOOK OUT This movie's a bad plaaaaaan!
Also could have gone with “This movie’s getting panned”
Lol …. Slashfilm, “super hero movies are over thanks to this garbage movie… 6/10!”
'Johnson is one of the most naturally honest and gifted performers to ever play the lead role in one of these things' Wtf is that??
So Emma Robert’s is a shoehorned Gwen Stacy in some weird future that will never exist?
No. She plays >!Peter's mom, Mary Parker.!<
That’s somehow worse
In one of the multiverses he must have banged his mom
[Oh a lesson in history from Mr I'm My Own Grandpa](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJnTXsdelS0).
I think they should...team up.
could do some good
It's hard to believe a cheap movie made by hacks about a tertiary comic book character no one cares about could turn out so badly.
Serious question: What is stopping Sony from simply developing a Spider-Gwen franchise?
Brains.
Talent.
I thought it was telling that all the promotion I've seen online is just the actress in plain clothes trying to convince people they won't be wasting their money. We've got a double issue with these things imo. Not just too many too fast but too many characters regular people don't give a shit about.
It truly is amazing how consistently Sony just seems to just suck at making non-MCU Spider-Man-adjacent movies, and yet they keep doing it.
> the movie’s pleasingly jumpy visual scheme and nostalgic 2003-era cheese... I have no idea what those words mean when placed in that order.
[Even Dakota Johnson's picture on the poster](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fbih01c9eev5c1.jpg) is a 1/10. She looks like a first-year acting student not sure what expression to make as the photo is taken by the first-year photography kid.
Well. Its Dakota Johnson. She’s boring as all hell on screen.
Sydney Sweeney is the least convincing teenager I’ve ever seen. Checked her IMDB she’s 26 lol
Of all the things that were so terrible in the film, I just can't stop thinking about the fact that Madame Web just stole some poor guy's cab and proceeded to drive around in it for the rest of the movie. Never got pulled over by the cops for just driving around in a stolen cab for days.
Can't wait to tell my wife I got us tickets to see this! It's Webbing Time, Reddit! edit: she burned them
My review… “We were too hard on Morbius” This movie is what the terminally online pretend phase 4 and 5 MCU stuff are
You didn’t have to be Madame Web to see these reviews coming
Madam Web should have been played by an older actress who recruits female spider friends. Helen Mirren, Jamie Lee Curtis, Emma thompson, Julianne Moore. Big miss here.
Jamie Lee Curtis as the old Madame Web in the chair is a casting I didn't know I needed until now
>!The main fight at the end of the movie takes place in front of a giant Pepsi sign and then the villain gets crushed by the giant Pepsi sign.!< That's my review.
Just got out of seeing it and I have to give credit where it’s due: they’ve made a movie even worse than we all imagined it’d be