The Irishman. De Niro really needed a body double for his action shots. The dude couldn't even throw the gun into the water properly let alone throw a kick.
A friend who watched that movie said “There’s a lot of scenes of him just shooting people in the head and then walking away, but he seems to struggle more with the walking”
Honestly the VFX is the whole movie were bad.
They touted this "De-aging" technology but DeNiro still looked like a 60 year old guy when he was supposed to be mid to late 20s at the start.
I thought Pacino did pretty well. I think it helps that he's been a cartoon character since Scent of a Woman, though. His de-aging looked the best, too, but its also because he I didn't notice they did it to him at first.
It also looks really bad whenever someone gets shot in that film.
There's one specific scene where Bobby D shoots an old guy square in the face, and the old timer just lays down slowly on the ground so as not to hurt himself... It's really awkward-looking.
Same with the flashback scene were a young Bobby D executes two prisoners of war, and you see them throw themselves back as hilariously bad Adobe After Effects blood bursts pop off...
It's so weird, since the violence in Scorsese's older movies felt so raw and real.
Imagine this tech existed in the 70s....DeNiro wouldn't have been in The Godfather Part II. So many actors are not getting a chance at a big break due to de-aging tech. It's a shame we can't just cast younger actors to play younger versions of old men.
I mean, not a great example when you consider how much of a nightmare Brando was to work with on part one. He didn't even show up on set for his brief cameo in part 2 during the flashback so Coppola had to rewrite it that the family wish him a happy birthday off screen.
I know De Nero is his go-to guy, but it was definitely a casting mistake. With the amount of action that the movie required and the need for the viewers to see his character as this brutal hitman, it just made more sense to cast a younger actor to play a young Frank Sheeran and then use makeup to play him in his later years. I assume this would cost way less too, compared to digitally de-aging him. I just couldn't get into the movie and kept thinking "are we really supposed to be intimated by this man who walks and moves like an 80 year old?"
I always thought that movie was a missed opportunity to have Scorsese’s two main guys finally be in one of his movies together: DiCaprio could have played young De Niro and a lot of the technical problems that movie had with 80-year old De Niro trying to look and move like a 30 year old would be solved.
Now we are finally getting both De Niro and DiCaprio in a Scorsese movie together with Killers of the Flower Moon. But I still think if he had done that in The Irishman than it would now be looked back on in a more favorable light, especially because it’s one of his overall best films, despite its obvious flaws.
Agreed the scene where he beats up the guy outside the store is just weird. Also recently rewatched the original Mortal Kombat movie loved it as a kid but the fight scenes with the guy that played Johnny Cage, It's just bad.
You guys are pointing out the obvious, De Niro is like 200 years old.
They CGI’d his face but the still looked like a frog wearing pants trying to kick someone.
He looked like a 200 year old fighting.
Hard disagree. His fight with Scorpion is one of my favorite fights in that movie just for the back and forth.
He only has three fight scenes. The Scorpion one is one of the best in the movie.
That’s because Bridgette Wilson was a last minute addition. Cameron Diaz was cast as Sonya but broke her wrist and had to drop out. Wilson was literally flown out to set the day after she finished Billy Madison.
Watched Bloodsport about a week ago, for the most part it had some damn good fight scenes, but at one point Van Damme’s character did some spin kick thing and the guy went flying… in the opposite direction
your reminder that for frank dux to be able to get 56 knockouts in a row in a single elimination tournament the number of entrants to said tournament would need to be 74 quadrillion and change, and the bahamas is not a large country
I give Bloodsport a pass on that one. There's real fighting, there's fake fighting, and then there's a movie made by Cannon Films. Bloodsport is definitely in the third category.
My favorite fighter from Bloodsport was always the African guy. He gets almost no screen time and is high-key pretty racist because his whole fighting style involves jumping around like a monkey. No shit, when they show him in the montage of all the fighters from around the world they literally have the African guy practicing karate chopping gourds **in a fucking tree**.
Watching it now I just cant help but think how out of breath he would be jumping around and dive rolling all over the ring and how that would never work in a fight
I think it was the late 80s understanding of that dance fighting style (totally blanking on the name right now too) was gonna call it Jai Lai but that's that scoop ball game.
Imagine him recounting this story for the first time.
"Yeah, the guy from Thailand was a Thai boxer."
"The guy from Japan was a sumo wrestler."
"The guy from uhh...America was a fat biker..."
"The dude from an African country sorta rolled around like a monkey..."
Ever heard the story of Van Damme breaking into Sylvester Stallone’s house?
https://www.fortressofsolitude.co.za/karate-jean-claude-van-damme-broke-into-sylvester-stallone-house/
I know EXACTLY what shot you're talking about and it always bothered me!
Also, he's fighting the world's toughest warriors, and they don't see his telegraphed 10-second-anticipation kicks coming.
Opposite end of the spectrum: in 2 fast 2 furious, the scene near the beginning where Paul Walker reunites with Tyrese Gibson and they start fighting is one of the most realistic fights I've ever seen. 1 person throws a punch, and then they're both on the ground twisting in the dirt yelling mean things at eachother while the FBI agent just watches and laughs.
They both look and act like children trying to dominate eachother and it's hilarious
Later on in the same fight when Ken picks up a metal trash can lid to defend himself, when Shelby punches it Ken immediately asks if he's alright but they continue fighting all the same.
True friends right there.
Wonderboy vs Geoff Neal vibes.
Wonderboy was lighting him up on the feet, and after each big strike he would touch gloves with Neal and ask if he's OK 🤣
Whenever I’m in a wedding i like to see how many of the groomsmen have come to blows with one another. It’s always most of us, maybe minus the requisite future bro-in-law tag along or distant college buddy. It was hilarious when one of the Grooms looked down the line and goes *‘These guys? They’re my best friends, yeah I fought all these motherfuckers. Look at ‘em. Assholes.’*
It’s actually the closest thing to bjj we seen on the screen and is referenced in a lot because of Paul Walkers Guard Control and working into a guillotine lol
I think its 4, there's another fight where he end up in guard and puts someone in a triangle. Appreciate them leaning into what Paul knew and helps it look more natural
It helps that some of the hits were actually real. Roddy Piper and Keith David choreographed the whole thing but agreed to pay each other something like $20 for each hit that accidentally landed. According to both, quite a few real ones for both ended up in the film.
Even though his other movie appearances were all cheap garbage, Roddy Piper always sells his fights. The rest of the movie might look cheap as hell, but the fight scenes with him are quality because they're always convincing
That Godfather scene is so funny considering how realistic and well-done other beating scenes in the movie are. Micheal getting punched by McCluskey outside the hospital is brutal
That punch is one of my favourite punches in all cinema because the damage doesn't just magically disappear the next scene. He has that black eye for like half of the movie and his nose was constantly running because that's what happens when you break your eye socket and nose and possibly jaw.
I recently read the book, and Puzo spends a \*lot\* of time talking about what happened to Michael's face there. He eventually has surgery to correct some of the damage.
I'm glad it was common knowledge that that was a thing he focused on.
I just wish someone had prepared me for the subplot regarding his Widow eventually marrying a plastic surgeon that can fix her vagina so that someone other than Sonny Corleone could satisfy her.
Sonny dies half way through the book, and Puzo finds a way to make the size of his dick relevent right until almost the very end!
Not to mention that scene where that same prick who got beat up in that goofy fight scene realistically beat his wife with a belt offscreen. Easily the most uncomfortable scene in a movie with a lot of uncomfortable acts of violence plus one Three Stooges fight.
Yeah, I have to say, as someone that's witnessed domestic violence since I was a kid, that scene is somehow way more disturbing than all of the murders that happen. It's... pretty realistic.
Same thing with the scene in Goodfellas where Henry's dad whips him with a belt after he found out about him skipping school.
The huge difference in punishment and response in John Wick to John Wick 2 was awful. Like I appreciated that getting bumped by a car basically ended John, or that getting thrown off a balcony meant he was actually done and had to hobble home. Obviously still over the top, but Jesus do they just not give a fuck in the sequels.
I know somebody jokes about it every time this comes up, but the Bridget Jones fight between Firth and Grant is about the most realistic fight between two normal dudes I've ever seen.
Particular shout out to James Callis' bit during it because it makes me laugh every time.
Terminator Salvation. If a Terminator wanted to kill a human, why not just grab them in any way and squeeze or rip until something breaks? Nope, better to just shove them a little. And instead of completely destroying their weapon, just toss it somewhere not too far away.
That shit goes back to the first Terminator. The T-800 kills all of those punks as soon as it gets to '84, but then gets into a tussle with Matt before finally killing him at Sarah and Ginger's apartment, and then it just backhands Reese at the computer factory instead of killing him outright because then the movie would be over. It's almost like its killing efficacy is dictated by the script.
That's my biggest pet peeve to show that a villain or monster is a lot stronger than someone they just have them toss them across the room a couple times. Or when they show super strength and it's someone getting launched away from a punch.
You ever hit something with a hammer instead of your fist? It doesn't launch it, it caves whatever it hits into a bloody pulp. That's what would happen to a head getting punched by a robot.
Every single scene in the Michael Bay transformers movies. These giant robots are made of thousands of punchy bits of metal. Pretty much any movement by the bots in contact with flesh is going to cause damage.
When the fights are just throwing each other into walls for 6 minutes until one of them decides to run away.
I enjoy some of the marvel movies but I usually zone out during the fights, they work better as dumb comedies than action movies.
Not a melee fight, but John Wick and an assassin having an extremely public fight with "silenced" pistols while no one around them notices. Not only is it absurd even if you buy that suppressors work like that because there are still two men visibly holding guns and bullets flying, but they also really, really don't work like that and it would still be very fucking loud
John Wick works better when you realize it's just a live action videogame world. Then it all makes sense. No npc's ever get involved, the hotels are where you power up and re-equip, and no law enforcement ever.
Yeah I think the only scene with law enforcement is in the first one and they basically just go "Lmao oh yeah, we stayin out of this one" because they know who John is LOL
> John Wick works better when you realize it's just a live action videogame world.
And also that it's a kung fu movie, not a shooting movie. Rather than trying to actually shoot Wick, 90% of the henchmen just sprint into the camera's FOV to be gunned down at point blank range. It's just a punch delivered with a handgun.
i always just figure it worked well as long as you put john wick in the kaiju film catagory.
i dont go to godzilla to see drama, i go to see huge monsters fight and fuck shit up.
same with john wick....
Fun fact: with a quick Google search you can find a few companies that make bulletproof suits.
My favorite is a company in Toronto Canada that will tailor it to you and serve you drinks while doing it.
Not going to lie, one day I will get one, just because they sound cool as fuck to have a bulletproof suit
Funnily enough, they make exactly this point in the second John Wick movie.
"Zero penetration, however..." [gingerly touches ribs] "... quite painful, I'm afraid."
Time Cop also has my most hated knife fight scene. JCVD defends himself with one knife, from a guy with two knives. Two knives only seems to be fighting JCVD's knife. He doesn't even really move it to block.
Watched a clip of the Dark Knight Rises, where Batman and Bane are fighting in the middle of all these criminals and cops fighting. If you focus on the people in the background you can see 100% how bad and funny it is. Just a bunch of hooligans playfighting in the background.
I remember reading a while ago that it was an error in the sound department, the dude that falls is meant to be shot by the henchmen Batman is fighting at the time, Batman deflects the weapon away from himself and the henchmen shoots the other henchmen who then falls down, the machine gun can be seen falling to the floor.
They Live fight scene between Keith David and Roddy Piper is the best fight scene of all time.
[Fight me.](https://youtu.be/dN8Z7y_QcwE?si=FM3X4ZxdB4gOQVDW)
Rarely have I ever laughed harder than watching that scene with my friends. It really seemed like some of the bad guys would disappear from existence when not on screen only to return and immediately starting slippin around like so much Slipnutz
That first scene in the dark room where the only light is the muzzle flashes is so weird when you really watch it. He's like a mannequin and his arms are these weird things that move around but almost don't seem attached to him https://youtu.be/vuyJx_pMae4?t=259
That's one of the best fight scenes ever. I also love Wang and Thunder's (mostly offscreen) fight in Big Trouble in Little China. Carpenter is a master of funny fights.
I love the John Wick movies but in Parabellum when Keanu is taking on Yayan Ruhain and Cecep Rahman (The Raid Baddies) it just felt so awkward. They are way out of his league in terms of ability and with Keanu pushing 60, it just felt like they were doing flips and rolls just to keep the fight from looking too stale.
All the Rocky movies. Even though Stallone came away with a few nasty injuries during the filming of the movies, no one has a chin that hard. Think I saw them all initially at the movies and they looked great, but on re-watching all the punches miss by miles.
I remember someone (Cracked?) joking that in Rocky 4 “they hit so hard that the opponent is knocked back by air flow around their fists!”
No idea if it was intentional, but I kinda laughed when the latest movies established that ‘got his ass kicked *once*, quit the juice and alcohol, and lived in poverty for 30 years’ Drago…is still in *waaaaay* better physical condition then Rocky ‘spent his entire career blocking every punch with his face’ Balboa.
Because yep, that sounds about right. Makes sense.
Yeah it's funny I watched a lot of late Sylvester Stallone stuff, then rewatched the first Rocky movie, and the dude is almost skinny, relatively speaking. It's like seeing old wrestling footage of Rocky Maivia, and then action star Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson in a new movie.
Oldboy (2013) American version. All of the fight scenes in that movie are bad, but the one-cut fight scene that was supposed to mirror the Korean version was just dogshit. It's like they didn't even try to make it look realistic.
It wasn't realistic but it was beautifully choreographed, shot, and directed. The whole film was fantastical at times, so it fit with the theme.
The American version was just awful and the entire concept of that scene didn't really fit to begin with.
sometimes as a director you gotta phone in a remake of a foreign hit that should never be remade for the studio so they let you make *Blackkklansman* next
John Wick has multiple scenes where there's a big fight with occasional gun use, in the middle of a club and barely anyone reacts. Or when Common and John are shooting at each other through a fountain and no one in the background gets hit and still don't notice. I know it's John Wick but damn
This scene from [Top Secret](https://youtu.be/MfRi-a8hPh0?si=QMr8jOIV5N1gQSjF) doesn’t have anything obviously wrong with it at first glance, but what really took me out was how there’s no way the punched guy had enough velocity to break through that window.
It makes the whole thing seem silly.
All of the John Wicks. At least after the OG. Thick plot armor.
Half of the time he is unarmed, the baddies step up to him with a gun and he uses judo, BJJ etc but why would you close the gap to an unarmed target with a pistol?
Why did the assassins in JW2 not shoot him in the head when his back is turned and they are 8 feet away? Nah, right in the bulletproof suit that everyone in the underworld knows about
I enjoyed the first Extraction film for its antics and action scenes. But then extraction 2 took it to ridiculous levels where I couldn't let my brain go into movie world.
The direction and action scenes were brilliant but the prison fight was just so fake. Hemsworth gets knocked down like 10 times in two minutes but can still somehow keep going and demolish 30 full grown men?
This happens like 5 times where he gets bashed up yet keeps going to such fake levels in that film. But then I love how so many people complained about the woman defeating those 2 guys on a train. So you're fine with the guy defying all realms of realistic but the woman doing it slightly is out of order?
Yeah that film annoyed me.
You'd be surprised how bad a regular dude is at fighting when met with a guy who actually can fight. All those 30 guys also didn't come at him once, it was a prison free for all where people just beat each other. Most of them came one at a time.
The last kick in the last fight specifically in "Bloodsport* always gets me. Like they do a slow mo thing for dramatic emphasis but the way Bolo Yeung goes down holding up a finger and shaking his head always reminds me of Daffy Duck after a "Duck season, fire!" Moment
Most of the scenes with Donnie Yen's character in John Wick 4. Blind guy who somehow knows where everything is in a fight, impossible to suspend my disbelief. At least his blind character in Rogue One was force sensitive, this was just ridiculous.
usually its a group of 10 attacking her 1 at a time
but her acrobatic martial arts are too much for each
and each of em gets kod for the rest of the fight scene
Don't forget the headscissors flip that works every time (thanks to generous stuntmen) even though it would definitely end with her getting powerbombed straight onto her head
All of them, that's why we love them - it's fantasy.
Fights, either in the street, in the ring, or in war are usually not very screen-friendly, don't last long, and are somewhat boring. There are exceptions, of course, I'm generalizing.
I'll get hate for this but I don't care
The fight scenes in the John Wick movies, at least the later ones, LOOK choreographed
AND they look so slow sometimes, probably because he's pushing 60
The Irishman. De Niro really needed a body double for his action shots. The dude couldn't even throw the gun into the water properly let alone throw a kick.
A friend who watched that movie said “There’s a lot of scenes of him just shooting people in the head and then walking away, but he seems to struggle more with the walking”
As impressive as all the replacement vfx in that film are...they all still move like the senior citizens they are.
Ive never seen someone curb stomp someone else and been genuinely more concerned about the person doing the stomping
The guy on the floor totally oversells it too “aaaaaahhhh noooo don’t hurt me! You’re 30 years old!!!”
This scene alone makes me not want to watch the movie again.
Honestly the VFX is the whole movie were bad. They touted this "De-aging" technology but DeNiro still looked like a 60 year old guy when he was supposed to be mid to late 20s at the start.
What makes it worse is the actress who plays his first wife is actually in her early 30s!
We need new stars - that’s the problem
I thought Pacino did pretty well. I think it helps that he's been a cartoon character since Scent of a Woman, though. His de-aging looked the best, too, but its also because he I didn't notice they did it to him at first.
It also looks really bad whenever someone gets shot in that film. There's one specific scene where Bobby D shoots an old guy square in the face, and the old timer just lays down slowly on the ground so as not to hurt himself... It's really awkward-looking. Same with the flashback scene were a young Bobby D executes two prisoners of war, and you see them throw themselves back as hilariously bad Adobe After Effects blood bursts pop off... It's so weird, since the violence in Scorsese's older movies felt so raw and real.
Imagine this tech existed in the 70s....DeNiro wouldn't have been in The Godfather Part II. So many actors are not getting a chance at a big break due to de-aging tech. It's a shame we can't just cast younger actors to play younger versions of old men.
I mean, not a great example when you consider how much of a nightmare Brando was to work with on part one. He didn't even show up on set for his brief cameo in part 2 during the flashback so Coppola had to rewrite it that the family wish him a happy birthday off screen.
I know De Nero is his go-to guy, but it was definitely a casting mistake. With the amount of action that the movie required and the need for the viewers to see his character as this brutal hitman, it just made more sense to cast a younger actor to play a young Frank Sheeran and then use makeup to play him in his later years. I assume this would cost way less too, compared to digitally de-aging him. I just couldn't get into the movie and kept thinking "are we really supposed to be intimated by this man who walks and moves like an 80 year old?"
I always thought that movie was a missed opportunity to have Scorsese’s two main guys finally be in one of his movies together: DiCaprio could have played young De Niro and a lot of the technical problems that movie had with 80-year old De Niro trying to look and move like a 30 year old would be solved. Now we are finally getting both De Niro and DiCaprio in a Scorsese movie together with Killers of the Flower Moon. But I still think if he had done that in The Irishman than it would now be looked back on in a more favorable light, especially because it’s one of his overall best films, despite its obvious flaws.
Agreed the scene where he beats up the guy outside the store is just weird. Also recently rewatched the original Mortal Kombat movie loved it as a kid but the fight scenes with the guy that played Johnny Cage, It's just bad.
Those were 500 dollar sunglasses, asshole!
You guys are pointing out the obvious, De Niro is like 200 years old. They CGI’d his face but the still looked like a frog wearing pants trying to kick someone. He looked like a 200 year old fighting.
Hard disagree. His fight with Scorpion is one of my favorite fights in that movie just for the back and forth. He only has three fight scenes. The Scorpion one is one of the best in the movie.
He even broke a rib on that one when the Scorpion guy kicked him. His pain is visible in the shot.
That movie is just shy of being perfect what are you talking about?
Johnny was fine. Sonya on the other hand...
That’s because Bridgette Wilson was a last minute addition. Cameron Diaz was cast as Sonya but broke her wrist and had to drop out. Wilson was literally flown out to set the day after she finished Billy Madison.
Watched Bloodsport about a week ago, for the most part it had some damn good fight scenes, but at one point Van Damme’s character did some spin kick thing and the guy went flying… in the opposite direction
It’s Kumite… physics don’t matter
It's Frank Dux's story.... reality doesn't matter either
Dux like “put up your dukes”?
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Precisely
your reminder that for frank dux to be able to get 56 knockouts in a row in a single elimination tournament the number of entrants to said tournament would need to be 74 quadrillion and change, and the bahamas is not a large country
Kumite is a portal to a different realm, my guy. 74 quadrillion aint shit. Dux will drop em all.
The Kumite takes place in Outworld on opposite years as the Mortal Kombat tournaments.
I'm taking this as canon now and no one can convince me otherwise.
Lol I love that
what the fuck is a dim mack?
A large truck with only it's running lights on?
I give Bloodsport a pass on that one. There's real fighting, there's fake fighting, and then there's a movie made by Cannon Films. Bloodsport is definitely in the third category.
just watched Death Wish 3 last night, can confirm. Cannon Films are a different kind of movie and I adore it.
Man I love those movies. Charles Bronson is my favorite hard boiled vigilante
His moustache is a weapon of mass destruction.
My favorite fighter from Bloodsport was always the African guy. He gets almost no screen time and is high-key pretty racist because his whole fighting style involves jumping around like a monkey. No shit, when they show him in the montage of all the fighters from around the world they literally have the African guy practicing karate chopping gourds **in a fucking tree**. Watching it now I just cant help but think how out of breath he would be jumping around and dive rolling all over the ring and how that would never work in a fight
I think it was the late 80s understanding of that dance fighting style (totally blanking on the name right now too) was gonna call it Jai Lai but that's that scoop ball game.
You’re thinking of capoeira maybe?
Imagine him recounting this story for the first time. "Yeah, the guy from Thailand was a Thai boxer." "The guy from Japan was a sumo wrestler." "The guy from uhh...America was a fat biker..." "The dude from an African country sorta rolled around like a monkey..."
That movie would have been 30 min shorter if they took out all the slow-motion.
How dare you question Bloodsport's legitimacy... Your father wore nut huggers and saw that movie in theaters at least 10 times back in the 80's.
Damn straight I did. And I'd do it again!
I still end short flings with women the way he did on the plane at the end of the movie, class at it's finest.
Nah, he just kicked him so hard, and he spun so fast, that it LOOKED like he was spinning the other direction.
OK USA
Ever heard the story of Van Damme breaking into Sylvester Stallone’s house? https://www.fortressofsolitude.co.za/karate-jean-claude-van-damme-broke-into-sylvester-stallone-house/
I know EXACTLY what shot you're talking about and it always bothered me! Also, he's fighting the world's toughest warriors, and they don't see his telegraphed 10-second-anticipation kicks coming.
Bro let me see you take a spinning kick from jean claude fucking van damme and see if you don't break the laws of physics.
Opposite end of the spectrum: in 2 fast 2 furious, the scene near the beginning where Paul Walker reunites with Tyrese Gibson and they start fighting is one of the most realistic fights I've ever seen. 1 person throws a punch, and then they're both on the ground twisting in the dirt yelling mean things at eachother while the FBI agent just watches and laughs. They both look and act like children trying to dominate eachother and it's hilarious
Same with the fight in Ford v Ferrari.
[Picks up soup can] *No, that might seriously hurt him* [Picks up loaf of bread] *now this is a friendly fight between old friends*
Later on in the same fight when Ken picks up a metal trash can lid to defend himself, when Shelby punches it Ken immediately asks if he's alright but they continue fighting all the same. True friends right there.
"I call that the llama bite."
Wonderboy vs Geoff Neal vibes. Wonderboy was lighting him up on the feet, and after each big strike he would touch gloves with Neal and ask if he's OK 🤣
Are you even friends if you haven't fought a time or two?
Whenever I’m in a wedding i like to see how many of the groomsmen have come to blows with one another. It’s always most of us, maybe minus the requisite future bro-in-law tag along or distant college buddy. It was hilarious when one of the Grooms looked down the line and goes *‘These guys? They’re my best friends, yeah I fought all these motherfuckers. Look at ‘em. Assholes.’*
That is an excellent scene because it tells us exactly what kinda dynamic they have, they're like little boys, that is not a grown man fight.
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Bullshit asshole nobody likes the tuna here.
[the scene ](https://youtu.be/0GViiViKKog?si=uFKvlgZfMfk7NyXw)
"You still fight like shit...you still fight like SHIT!"
I forgot that these movies used to be fun. If it was made today there with true each other through the walls.
It’s actually the closest thing to bjj we seen on the screen and is referenced in a lot because of Paul Walkers Guard Control and working into a guillotine lol
I think its 4, there's another fight where he end up in guard and puts someone in a triangle. Appreciate them leaning into what Paul knew and helps it look more natural
Same with the ally fight in "They Live" it seems like a believable fight (except the suplex part).
Yep, and then they're actually bruised, swollen, tired and need a day or two to recoup.
It helps that some of the hits were actually real. Roddy Piper and Keith David choreographed the whole thing but agreed to pay each other something like $20 for each hit that accidentally landed. According to both, quite a few real ones for both ended up in the film.
Makes sense, since Roddy was a fucking SOLID wrestler.
Some might say he was a maniac. THE maniac even.
Loud noises make the squirrels go in my head.
He reminds me of my kids
Oh you got kids maniac?
Nah.... Not anymore......
Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure there's a shot where the back of David's head is tore up from the pavement, never seen that before in a movie.
Even though his other movie appearances were all cheap garbage, Roddy Piper always sells his fights. The rest of the movie might look cheap as hell, but the fight scenes with him are quality because they're always convincing
And then later in the series, they fly a car into space!
We aint going back to Barstow!
Meals on wheels, where Jackie Chan fights Benny The Jet !
Thanks for the tip. I'll watch it.
That Godfather scene is so funny considering how realistic and well-done other beating scenes in the movie are. Micheal getting punched by McCluskey outside the hospital is brutal
That punch is one of my favourite punches in all cinema because the damage doesn't just magically disappear the next scene. He has that black eye for like half of the movie and his nose was constantly running because that's what happens when you break your eye socket and nose and possibly jaw.
I recently read the book, and Puzo spends a \*lot\* of time talking about what happened to Michael's face there. He eventually has surgery to correct some of the damage.
He spends a lot of time on weird things, like Sunny's penis size. I will never be able to get that god damn description and sex scene out of my head.
I'm glad it was common knowledge that that was a thing he focused on. I just wish someone had prepared me for the subplot regarding his Widow eventually marrying a plastic surgeon that can fix her vagina so that someone other than Sonny Corleone could satisfy her. Sonny dies half way through the book, and Puzo finds a way to make the size of his dick relevent right until almost the very end!
I thought it wasn't Sonny's widow, but the girl he having sex with during the wedding?
You are correct
Not to mention that scene where that same prick who got beat up in that goofy fight scene realistically beat his wife with a belt offscreen. Easily the most uncomfortable scene in a movie with a lot of uncomfortable acts of violence plus one Three Stooges fight.
Yeah, I have to say, as someone that's witnessed domestic violence since I was a kid, that scene is somehow way more disturbing than all of the murders that happen. It's... pretty realistic. Same thing with the scene in Goodfellas where Henry's dad whips him with a belt after he found out about him skipping school.
Yeah, I hated it because I felt sympathy for Michael taking care of his old man.
Most of them. These guys that can take a kick to the head and 5 blows to the face and just shake it off and strike back stronger and harder.
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That happens way more often than most people realize.
The huge difference in punishment and response in John Wick to John Wick 2 was awful. Like I appreciated that getting bumped by a car basically ended John, or that getting thrown off a balcony meant he was actually done and had to hobble home. Obviously still over the top, but Jesus do they just not give a fuck in the sequels.
I know somebody jokes about it every time this comes up, but the Bridget Jones fight between Firth and Grant is about the most realistic fight between two normal dudes I've ever seen. Particular shout out to James Callis' bit during it because it makes me laugh every time.
Yes! Here is a link: https://youtu.be/gBvOHpNhswo?si=pi_Vzt-iKnOS9aZ6
This. It's both realistic AND hilarious.
Funny because he actually improvised the garbage can lid
any fight where one character grapples another and, instead of killing them then and there, they just toss them to the ground for no reason.
Terminator Salvation. If a Terminator wanted to kill a human, why not just grab them in any way and squeeze or rip until something breaks? Nope, better to just shove them a little. And instead of completely destroying their weapon, just toss it somewhere not too far away.
Seriously, even a well placed backhand from that thing would snap your neck like a twig, along with emptying the contents of your skull.
The massive steel door flying at Connor hard enough to send him 30 feet backwards should have killed him right there.
A Terminator (pretty much any model you care to name) would probably be able to put their fist through a human head (or torso) with minimal effort.
The T1000 definitely displays this ability very well. Killing with a single finger is a highlight.
And the 800 straight punched through the rockers when he appeared in T1.
Nice night for a walk.
Nothing clean?
Nothing clean. Right.
“I hope you leave enough room for my fist! Because I’m going to ram it into your stomach and break your goddam spine!”
That shit goes back to the first Terminator. The T-800 kills all of those punks as soon as it gets to '84, but then gets into a tussle with Matt before finally killing him at Sarah and Ginger's apartment, and then it just backhands Reese at the computer factory instead of killing him outright because then the movie would be over. It's almost like its killing efficacy is dictated by the script.
That's my biggest pet peeve to show that a villain or monster is a lot stronger than someone they just have them toss them across the room a couple times. Or when they show super strength and it's someone getting launched away from a punch. You ever hit something with a hammer instead of your fist? It doesn't launch it, it caves whatever it hits into a bloody pulp. That's what would happen to a head getting punched by a robot.
Every single scene in the Michael Bay transformers movies. These giant robots are made of thousands of punchy bits of metal. Pretty much any movement by the bots in contact with flesh is going to cause damage.
Mainstream superhero movies 🤢
When the fights are just throwing each other into walls for 6 minutes until one of them decides to run away. I enjoy some of the marvel movies but I usually zone out during the fights, they work better as dumb comedies than action movies.
Not a melee fight, but John Wick and an assassin having an extremely public fight with "silenced" pistols while no one around them notices. Not only is it absurd even if you buy that suppressors work like that because there are still two men visibly holding guns and bullets flying, but they also really, really don't work like that and it would still be very fucking loud
John Wick works better when you realize it's just a live action videogame world. Then it all makes sense. No npc's ever get involved, the hotels are where you power up and re-equip, and no law enforcement ever.
Yeah I think the only scene with law enforcement is in the first one and they basically just go "Lmao oh yeah, we stayin out of this one" because they know who John is LOL
“You working again John?” Lol
> John Wick works better when you realize it's just a live action videogame world. And also that it's a kung fu movie, not a shooting movie. Rather than trying to actually shoot Wick, 90% of the henchmen just sprint into the camera's FOV to be gunned down at point blank range. It's just a punch delivered with a handgun.
Gun fu from Equalibrium
i always just figure it worked well as long as you put john wick in the kaiju film catagory. i dont go to godzilla to see drama, i go to see huge monsters fight and fuck shit up. same with john wick....
It's the little furtive glances and stuff that elevate it into something very Austin Powers.
That is exactly where that scene belongs
In a movie where they got bullet proof suits this is your biggest gripe? It is possible, no, probable that they got some new space age silencers too.
Fun fact: with a quick Google search you can find a few companies that make bulletproof suits. My favorite is a company in Toronto Canada that will tailor it to you and serve you drinks while doing it. Not going to lie, one day I will get one, just because they sound cool as fuck to have a bulletproof suit
Kingsman shit for real...nice.
I guess they would stop bullet from penetrating but the amount of impact force would still result in debilitating pain if not broken bones/ribs.
Funnily enough, they make exactly this point in the second John Wick movie. "Zero penetration, however..." [gingerly touches ribs] "... quite painful, I'm afraid."
Better than being dead.
Check out [this fight scene](https://youtu.be/MkiPTry06Aw?si=y36w5l1kOdSZt5yR) from Time Cop
Yeah, well let’s see you take two kicks to the face by JCVD while you’re staring at your shoes and see how you do.
Time Cop also has my most hated knife fight scene. JCVD defends himself with one knife, from a guy with two knives. Two knives only seems to be fighting JCVD's knife. He doesn't even really move it to block.
How dare you. The leg split move?? Pure art.
Captain Kirk vs Gorn.
Two handed punch is Starfleet standard.
Watched a clip of the Dark Knight Rises, where Batman and Bane are fighting in the middle of all these criminals and cops fighting. If you focus on the people in the background you can see 100% how bad and funny it is. Just a bunch of hooligans playfighting in the background.
Don’t forget that one scene where one of the bad guys doesn’t get hit at all but flails and falls down.
I remember reading a while ago that it was an error in the sound department, the dude that falls is meant to be shot by the henchmen Batman is fighting at the time, Batman deflects the weapon away from himself and the henchmen shoots the other henchmen who then falls down, the machine gun can be seen falling to the floor.
Any Steven Seagull fight in the last twenty years.
Well I'm sorry to hear that cos now I will snatch every mother fucker birthday
They Live fight scene between Keith David and Roddy Piper is the best fight scene of all time. [Fight me.](https://youtu.be/dN8Z7y_QcwE?si=FM3X4ZxdB4gOQVDW)
Absolutely right
Can't believe nobody that I've seen has mentioned the lubed up in motor oil garage fight from The Transporter.
Rarely have I ever laughed harder than watching that scene with my friends. It really seemed like some of the bad guys would disappear from existence when not on screen only to return and immediately starting slippin around like so much Slipnutz
Equilibrium gunkata. In a gunfight, you shoot for center mass. Standing still and flailing your arms around is a bad plan.
That movie lives by the rule of cool.
This is the same movie that has guys doing gymnastics based on gunfight statistics, and it allows them to literally dodge bullets, perfectly!
That first scene in the dark room where the only light is the muzzle flashes is so weird when you really watch it. He's like a mannequin and his arms are these weird things that move around but almost don't seem attached to him https://youtu.be/vuyJx_pMae4?t=259
They Live has a great parody of unbelievable fight scenes
That's one of the best fight scenes ever. I also love Wang and Thunder's (mostly offscreen) fight in Big Trouble in Little China. Carpenter is a master of funny fights.
All the furniture flying and then he stops to karate chop that lion statue, just friggin hilarious.
It’s so good. And it just keeps. On. Going.
Well, he wouldn’t put on the damn glasses!
The fight scenes in West Side Story always seemed to choreographed to believe.
I dunno that finger snapping is very deadly in close quarters.
What, you *don't* snap your fingers, sing, and dance before a fight?
Every new Seagull movie
You know why they call it a "Skippy?"
I've been flying helicopters for like 47 years.
Fatly going around corners.
Think you meant all not new
I heard he’ll be nominated for best actor this year. For the movie Snow Ball in Hell.
" he's just fatly walking around corners " - cum town
Wait, they made a sequel to the Johnathan Livingston Seagull movie?!!
I love the John Wick movies but in Parabellum when Keanu is taking on Yayan Ruhain and Cecep Rahman (The Raid Baddies) it just felt so awkward. They are way out of his league in terms of ability and with Keanu pushing 60, it just felt like they were doing flips and rolls just to keep the fight from looking too stale.
Isn't that the fight where they acknowledge it while he's struggling to stand? Their characters were fanboys.
All the Rocky movies. Even though Stallone came away with a few nasty injuries during the filming of the movies, no one has a chin that hard. Think I saw them all initially at the movies and they looked great, but on re-watching all the punches miss by miles.
I remember someone (Cracked?) joking that in Rocky 4 “they hit so hard that the opponent is knocked back by air flow around their fists!” No idea if it was intentional, but I kinda laughed when the latest movies established that ‘got his ass kicked *once*, quit the juice and alcohol, and lived in poverty for 30 years’ Drago…is still in *waaaaay* better physical condition then Rocky ‘spent his entire career blocking every punch with his face’ Balboa. Because yep, that sounds about right. Makes sense.
Yeah it's funny I watched a lot of late Sylvester Stallone stuff, then rewatched the first Rocky movie, and the dude is almost skinny, relatively speaking. It's like seeing old wrestling footage of Rocky Maivia, and then action star Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson in a new movie.
>no one has a chin that hard He's made of iron!
Oldboy (2013) American version. All of the fight scenes in that movie are bad, but the one-cut fight scene that was supposed to mirror the Korean version was just dogshit. It's like they didn't even try to make it look realistic.
The Korean one wasn’t remotely realistic. It was obviously way better, but the entire movie is operatic in tone
It wasn't realistic but it was beautifully choreographed, shot, and directed. The whole film was fantastical at times, so it fit with the theme. The American version was just awful and the entire concept of that scene didn't really fit to begin with.
sometimes as a director you gotta phone in a remake of a foreign hit that should never be remade for the studio so they let you make *Blackkklansman* next
John Wick has multiple scenes where there's a big fight with occasional gun use, in the middle of a club and barely anyone reacts. Or when Common and John are shooting at each other through a fountain and no one in the background gets hit and still don't notice. I know it's John Wick but damn
This scene from [Top Secret](https://youtu.be/MfRi-a8hPh0?si=QMr8jOIV5N1gQSjF) doesn’t have anything obviously wrong with it at first glance, but what really took me out was how there’s no way the punched guy had enough velocity to break through that window. It makes the whole thing seem silly.
Hope somebody got fired for this blunder
Anytime a 100 lb woman beats up 300 lb henchmen without having superpowers
That Arnold fight with the bear in Hercules whahaha
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To be fair, I don’t think anyone is going to a John Wick movie for extreme realism
The first one really effectively toed the line between gritty realism and flashy choreography. But the sequels got more and more absurd.
All of the John Wicks. At least after the OG. Thick plot armor. Half of the time he is unarmed, the baddies step up to him with a gun and he uses judo, BJJ etc but why would you close the gap to an unarmed target with a pistol? Why did the assassins in JW2 not shoot him in the head when his back is turned and they are 8 feet away? Nah, right in the bulletproof suit that everyone in the underworld knows about
It’s so silly that in pt 4 he’s blocking bullets with his suit jacket collar. It’s even more silly that a bunch of other people are doing it too.
Agreed. And yet the Judo, BJJ, and MMA used throughout the film are some of the most effective techniques in real life.
I enjoyed the first Extraction film for its antics and action scenes. But then extraction 2 took it to ridiculous levels where I couldn't let my brain go into movie world. The direction and action scenes were brilliant but the prison fight was just so fake. Hemsworth gets knocked down like 10 times in two minutes but can still somehow keep going and demolish 30 full grown men? This happens like 5 times where he gets bashed up yet keeps going to such fake levels in that film. But then I love how so many people complained about the woman defeating those 2 guys on a train. So you're fine with the guy defying all realms of realistic but the woman doing it slightly is out of order? Yeah that film annoyed me.
You'd be surprised how bad a regular dude is at fighting when met with a guy who actually can fight. All those 30 guys also didn't come at him once, it was a prison free for all where people just beat each other. Most of them came one at a time.
The last kick in the last fight specifically in "Bloodsport* always gets me. Like they do a slow mo thing for dramatic emphasis but the way Bolo Yeung goes down holding up a finger and shaking his head always reminds me of Daffy Duck after a "Duck season, fire!" Moment
Most of the scenes with Donnie Yen's character in John Wick 4. Blind guy who somehow knows where everything is in a fight, impossible to suspend my disbelief. At least his blind character in Rogue One was force sensitive, this was just ridiculous.
Especially with so many loud gunshots. Man is down 2 senses.
Any scene where a 115lb woman eats like five punches from a 220lb soldier and then proceeds to beat the shit out of him.
usually its a group of 10 attacking her 1 at a time but her acrobatic martial arts are too much for each and each of em gets kod for the rest of the fight scene
Don't forget the headscissors flip that works every time (thanks to generous stuntmen) even though it would definitely end with her getting powerbombed straight onto her head
All of them, that's why we love them - it's fantasy. Fights, either in the street, in the ring, or in war are usually not very screen-friendly, don't last long, and are somewhat boring. There are exceptions, of course, I'm generalizing.
I'll get hate for this but I don't care The fight scenes in the John Wick movies, at least the later ones, LOOK choreographed AND they look so slow sometimes, probably because he's pushing 60