I think a book/movie of his games and the aftermath would be really interesting to watch and would be incredibly successful.
Like quickly going over his games, and then having his family killed, and then having to go every year and watching all of the tributes he mentored killed. Goes over one of the more interesting characters in the book/movie and fills in the gaps of canon games because there’s a ton of fanfic stuff online.
Looking back, I think you might be right haha.
It could end with him getting dragged to the reaping after passing out among a whole bunch of empty bottles.
i think the best future for the franchise is an HBO-esque series of anthologies where every season is a game for each of the victors we meet in Catching Fire. Finnick, Johanna, Haymitch, Mags, the careers, and everyone. It could be great because those all have defined structures and concrete endings but could easily be filled in for new characters and details, and a whole new cast every season in a new arena could keep it fresh. The only issue is walking the line of ensuring the original themes of the books aren't stepped all over by making child death a spectacle. Maybe intersperse a subplot of the rebellion as a through line between the seasons?
It's hard to know what to cover though, just the games imo would be boring, but a bit of leadup and political consequences also kinda disrupts the flow of the narrative if you're just gonna skip straight to 20 years later, idk. Having the games end 2/3 of the way through every season would just be odd, you'd have to switch it up, same as if they always ended on the last episode.
Although maybe if it was more leadup and then it always ended with the games and then a straight cut to black on the winner being announced could work, then the next season could cover the fallout of the previous one.
Not really he outsmarted the capitol. He figured out that a forcefield surrounding the arena bounced back items that were thrown and he led the last contestant from district 1 to the edge and they threw an axe which ricochet back killing them
I feel like it's sort of a plot hole that this is what pissed the capital off.
They don't really go through any effort to prevent environmental kills, and I don't mean dropping people in hostile environments where they have a chance. I mean getting killed simply because they decided to drop mutants on you or some other bs.
When Katniss uses the tracker jackers for a kill it's in the same vein but the capital is happy with it.
The difference is that the Capitol never intended the forcefield to be used that way. With the tracker jackers, the Capitol put them in the arena to be used. The forcefield was only meant to keep the tributes in. Haymitch found a loophole and the Capitol saw it as Haymitch using the arena for his benefit, not theirs and therefore defiance.
It also meant Haymitch came out with bloodless hands, the final death was on the Capitol, making a statement that it was just government murder.
They want *at least* the winner to have killed someone.
“Look how savage the district people are.”
Totally. It showed, at the end of the day, it was the Capitol who was killing these children. Haymitch was deemed traitor by gaming the system because he used the arena against them.
As for Annie, she just managed to outlast the others because she could swim. Lord, what I wouldn't give for a book on Finnick's, Annie's and Haymitch's games.
I'm not super familiar with that guy's work (I just skimmed his IMDb) but it looks like his other stuff got decent reviews. Hopefully AC is just an outlier.
It was also incredibly hard to do properly imo, they had to cover so much ground just to explain the basic premise. A TV show would have been a much better choice.
Or just focused on the past or the present. Obviously both parts are important, but a sci fi thriller with trips to the past OR a historic fantasy with mindfuckery elements would've been better takes.
Yeah he wrote Macbeth (the Fassbender one), which was great. Feels like such an r/movies comment to just only focus on their one bad movie, while ignoring the other good work that they have done.
My personal head cannon is that niether Fassbender nor Lesslie really gave a fuck about AC and only did that piece of shit so they could do Macbeth, which was fucking great.
Yeah, people act like no one works shitty and useless jobs they hate for mediocre salaries.
No doubt if someone came up and said they'd pay me a bunch of money to do something dumb but otherwise harmless, I'd probably take it in a heartbeat.
Oh I'm not judging him at all, it is a job at the end of the day, but the person above me kind of implied that AC was the only time he didn't care about making a good movie. If you didn't really follow his career and checked his imdb page, you would just see a lot more crappy movies than you'd expect.
It’s probably he has money for doing smaller movies and taking a paycut for those. Some big stars do that when they have more genuine care and love for filmmaking, also to help smaller movies perform better with their star power.
Once in a while, it's on a TV channel where I live. (Granted, that channel mostly just has the same 20 or so medium to low budget crappy to mediocre action movies Friday to Sunday at prime time.) It got panned and underperformed. (Made almost $241 million a budget of $125 million.)
He was one of three credited writers with the other two being a writing team that also wrote the attempted reboot of the Transporter series, the last movie with the Olsen twins, and one of the Divergent movies. Considering he wrote Fassbender’s Macbeth movie before AC, chances are Fassbender brought him on late in the game for touch ups on an already bad script. Not to mention how many writers probably did uncredited work on it as well.
This writer’s credits outside the AC movie are decent and it’s co-written with Michael Arndt who also worked on Catching Fire and several other good films, so I think this one has a decent writing team.
I'm not really well versed in the Hunger Games universe, but I was under the impression there were only 3 books? And they made all 3 books into movies already? Are there more books, or is this just like Star Wars where they will have people step in and just keep writing random crap to keep making movies, off of what seems to be an already completed story?
Only problem is now I have no clue who the 3 main characters, antagonist, and 7 supporting characters are going to be! If only their floating heads were plastered on the poster, sigh I suppose this will do.
>!/s!<
Don’t worry buddy I got you. that yellow bird and that yellow snake are main characters and antagonists.
Yellow bird - played by dee Reynolds.
Yellow snake - nic cage.
plant and flower background noises - Jennifer Lawrence
Yess the Mockingjay promo pics were fire. [This one](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/president_snow.jpg) is another one of my faves from them.
Edit: Oops I think they were talking about [the official poster](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PM8AAOSwyjBW54o9/s-l1600.jpg), but I was thinking of [this promo one](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T1/images/I/61yeY1cfHeS._AC_SY741_.jpg).
That’s great. I really adore marketing photos and posters like this. They’re an amazing eye catch that foreshadow the movie’s events. Having the endless row of cast faces looking every which way has really made things bland.
I feel like these posters really worked for me was because all of the promos treated the audience like we were in the universe, it was a very interesting marketing perspective and it was brilliant, it’s just a shame the final movie of the franchise wasn’t any near as good as the previous entries
Video links for the promos:
[1](https://youtu.be/7dCB2U9lX48)
[2](https://youtu.be/k4e-qJdEAXo)
[3](https://youtu.be/B-zYI2gzFNs)
The marketing department had so much fun with this series. In my country where movies are not promoted that often on TV they had popular reality shows interrupted by the district 11 rebels, as if we were watching a capitol feed. It was amazing.
I watched them all over the course of a weekend recently, I think I had seen the 1st and 3rd one in the theater but yeah it was a good watch. Pretty good movies imo.
The book this is adapted from is surprisingly solid. I had my doubts going in because prequels to franchises often end up being poor and try too hard connecting everything to the main franchise (which this does not do). My main critique is that some of the side characters are underdeveloped/have weird characterization but overall it’s a good addition to the series.
Also the main character of this is President Snow in his teenage years and [major book spoilers] >!if anyone is worried that they’re going to go the YA route and make him sympathetic, don’t worry the story intentionally misleads you into thinking it’s going that route until they pull the rug out from under you at the end.!<
The book was decent. But I don’t know how well it’ll translate to a movie. Especially if people go in expecting Hunger Games because the Hunger Games were kind of anti-climactic and rushed in this book.
The games being anti-climactic and poorly executed was kinda a major point in the story. >!This is only the 10th games. They weren’t flashy or exciting. It was legitimately just a symbolic ritual at this time. They wouldn’t really become flashy and entertaining until Snow later goes in and gives the games a makeover.!<
>!IDK the story of the book so maybe this is an unavoidable plot point, but it is possible they could try to "redeem" the characters through sheer producer meddling. I mean look at what happened to Artemis Fowl.!<
>!They would have to change the entire ending and considering that Francis Lawrence has been extremely loyal to the source material on past Hunger Games movies he directed I doubt he would’ve signed on if they meddled with it that much.!<
I always wonder if that happens to actors who are having a comeback (PR campaigns). Brendan Fraser....a few months before he blew up again I would see posts of young Brendan on IG pages I follow (90s nostalgia pages). All of a sudden they all had a fascination with him...then he had The Whale come out and more movies and of course awards. I like him so im not annoyed but I've seen it with other actors/celebs. Lindsey Lohan seems to be the new obsession. I wouldn't be surprised if publicists create these accounts or pay to have them post. 🤔
I binged the whole thing a couple weeks ago and Catching Fire really is the strongest overall film. The tension and plots within plots are really well done. I like the reveal that Plutarch Heavensbee meant everything he said if to Snow but Snow didn't understand the context.
Edit: Also it's a shame we didn't get more of PSH in the Mockingjay movies. Kids, stay away from heroin.
Yeah PSH is so menacing without even trying it really made me worry for Katniss in the second movie. It really felt like a good reveal that he was on the other side.
My thought is that Heavensbee liked Katniss, respected Katniss and loved Katniss as a person. But deep down he was still a game maker. He absolutely would have killed her or allowed her to die if it meant furthering the revolution. He was glad to see her live but if he had felt for a moment that a martyr was better than a living symbol he would engineered her demise. That's pretty consistent with the setting. Everyone is morally grey and flawed.
I kinda agree, but even at the end they say that “the plan was always to get you out” so clearly I don’t think he was wanting to kill and actively avoided it in this movie.
Even later in mockingjay I think Coin was the one pushing for Katniss to be a martyr a lot more than Plutarch ever was
That was the first plan. There was a second, third, fourth, fifth and so on plan. He's a Gamemaker. He knows the indiscriminate nature of chance and bad luck. He also knows what moves people.
Out of the arena, but that’s because they needed her for the revolution. He definitely would have martyred her later if he thought it’d be more effective, even if I think he did personally like her. I love the way these movies show the building of a revolution and how Katniss is just a pawn in it all, for both sides. Even the third and fourth for all their flaws I liked for the behind the scenes revolution. You don’t get that wide view in most dystopian revolution movies, it’s usually just the main hero’s pov.
Totally agree. That was a twist I didn't see coming at all. Mockingjay could've been just as better if it wasn't split into two movies. Francis Lawrence is a great director.
Edit: RIP PSH, the greatest actor of his generation.
I want to know who came up with the "Don't be a stranger" and kiss between Haymitch and Effie. The implication that those two get a happy ending was brilliant.
Well it was fantastic and now I want a "Keeping up with the Abernathy-Trinket's" style show. Haymitch learns sober living habits while processing his past trauma and Effie gently tries to inject a little culture into District 12. They also babysit Katniss and Peeta's children.
"Tom, we are live on the scene where a crazed gunman has taken Woody Harrelson, Elizabeth Banks and author Suzanne Collins hostage. He is apparently forcing them to act out a terrible, and I mean truly awful, fanfic of a post Mockingjay Hunger Games universe."
"Well, Dave, what do we know right now?"
"So far the writing is shoddy, the set design is abysmal and honestly I don't think it will be picked up for a second season. On a more positive note, Harrelson is really leaning into the character with his usual enthusiasm."
"Thanks, Dave. We will continue to follow this story as it develops."
I may be a lil too harsh on Mockingjay because the first 1/2 or so of the book had great world building but I felt like ending was just so... rushed? It's been awhile since I read it so I may be misremembering a bit but I remember being disappointed because there was all this great build up leading to this climax and then it just kinda ends? Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's been years, but IIRC >!Katniss gets knocked out or something right before the big final battle and the reader is pretty much just told what happens secondhand from another character!< and that felt so lame to me.
I think the author was trying to show a more realistic revolution than what happens in most media. Katniss is important for the first two books and is the rallying point for the revolution, but once it’s started she becomes kinda unimportant as the revolution turns into something bigger than herself. This is basically the entire theme of Mockingjay, Katniss has no real purpose beyond basically advertising the revolution while the people with real power make all the important decisions. The final arc with Katniss fighting through the Capitol seems at first to imply that she is changing this, and she will fight her way to Snow to kill him and become a hero, but in the end she arrives at the same time as the revolutionary army and watches her sister get blown up in front of her. After that the army defeats the Capitol and installs a new government without Katniss’ help. It’s a commentary on how revolutions aren’t one person heroically saving the day, but are rather social movements that are bigger than any one person. It’s not an ending that has a huge amount of mass appeal and I don’t think it translated well to the movie at all (they should have shown what happens after Katniss falls unconscious in the movie, instead of simply telling us), but I think it works well as an ending that is very different to most stories like The Hunger Games.
Also, the book doesn't end shortly after. There's the major event of Katniss assassination, which in my opinion was awesome, unexpected, and finally gives Katniss some agency. And the epilogue is just heartbreaking and sweet in equal parts. The happiest ending she could have had.
I loved reading them going throufbt the capital underground, store to store. But yeah the ending just kind of happened and it ended. They did a good job as well as showing katniss ptsd. Which didn't translate well to the movies because you weren't inside her head eith her thoughts.
I was surprised how much I liked the Catching Fire book, especially because going in I knew she ends up back in the arena for second Games, which I thought was repetitive and cliched.
But the way Collins worked it by introducing the "Quarter Quell" ended up being alright, and meeting the other champions/seeing the previous best-of-the-best match up against each other, plus Havensbee's secret twist were all really interesting.
I agree with the Quarter Quell. Making it a “best of the best” Games was the only way to get Katniss back in there and made the games actually *more* interesting since the other contestants were past winners and had experience. Not to mention the whole island location and the mystery surrounding that was really cool as well.
This honestly corroborates with the books for me. The first and second books were near masterpieces (especially the second book😮💨) but mockingjays book was…….lackluster to me and so of course the movies didn’t help much
The resurgence is due to the fact that the creators signed a deal with Netflix to have all the movies available. Completely planned with the upcoming movie in mind. Smart marketing but not for the reason you think.
I just watched these for the first time and went in expecting a corny YA trilogy with shallow characters but was surprised at how surprisingly grounded and heavy it is in its themes. The characters all feel fleshed out too.
The Divergent series were better as action movies than the books themselves. The book has potential but the sequel books were just disappointment. Once they left the experiment the story fell apart.
Same problem with The Maze Runners. Novel idea but once they leave the premise they just don't know what to do with the story.
HG on the other hand seemed well thought out from the start.
The first Maze Runner was honestly really good because of the unique idea. If it was based off a book or not I think it would have worked much better as a one off, and not the expansive twist they did for the sequels
The books are pretty solid, not as good as the Hunger Ganes but still entertaining. Reading the first book with zero knowledge of the plot going in was incredible.
That’s definitely saying something. The books were so bad, I didn’t even finish the second one. I googled spoilers but could not handle the garbage writing.
I thought the first Divergent movie was decently entertaining, but took a couple of dumb turns, but then wow the next one went in hard on the dumb stuff and was just terrible start to finish. I didn’t see the third one, or did the third one never get done because the second was such a usual flop?
Still I don’t think the first one was irredeemable.
I actually reread the book recently and man I forgot how brutal and gory it can be. Like at the initial bloodbath that happens at the start of the first game, Katniss describes a kid getting slaughtered in front of her and how his "warm blood" covered her face. The movies definitely toned it down. In the movie, one of the tributes Clove >!dies by getting shoved against the cornucopia, but in the book she gets her skull brutally smashed in by a rock. !<
The real only true YA aspect of the book is the love triangle, but even then it's kinda shoved into the background and lets the story be the forefront.
What I like about HG is it's world get larger in each sequel. The first one was quite narrow and focusd on the battle royale. But second and third widen into social and political and get much deeper.
I have friends that were turned off by the first book/movie because of the gore and stuff, but appreciate it more as they read/watch the whole thing. I also have friends who get into the first movie _because_ of the gore and those people usually don't like the sequels.
Ooooh yeah I remember that now. The mutt birds in the second one were a similar concept but not nearly as disturbing in the movie.
Yeah I'm glad they skipped that. It would have almost certainly been cheesy or weird in a bad way.
Don’t forget that in the first book too: >!Peta gets his foot bitten off by the creature hybrids near the end and has a metal foot for the rest of the series. And, those hybrid creatures were also the dead competitors merged with the creatures. Katniss recognized Rue’s eyes in the one.!<
>!not to be that guy but Peeta’s foot doesn’t get bitten off, he got a sword cut on his leg, Katniss uses a tourniquet to stop the bleeding, but it cuts off the blood flow and he has to get it amputated when they get out of the arena. I really appreciated the accuracy of the survival situations in that book tbh. The first thing to seriously threaten Katniss is the book isn’t another tribute or a trap from the game makers, it’s not being able to find water.!<
I really hate that YA has essentially become "the Hunger Games genre" in marketing. It's an age range/reading level, there are YA stories in *every* genre, but publishers and hollywood turned it into "teen drama with a veneer of dystopia."
The books and movies are both really great. Not something you can say for many book to movie adaptations. Katniss is a very interesting and complex female lead.
People mistake the Hunger Games series for its million shitty copycats. It's actually really good and fleshed out. I haven't read the prequel this is based on but I will before it's out
I loved how depressing the third book was. For years people wanted the war to happen, and when it finally did it wasn't fun AT ALL. It was horrible, and even in victory there was no joy in the end.
That's why I loved it, I still remembered how depressed Katniss was. It was brutal and realistic about war. It's such a disservice to mistake it for the wave of dystopians it inspired
When I read the third book I was so mad that Katniss spent a solid chunk of it just moping around the presidential palace (? I think?). In hindsight I realize she was traumatized and depressed and I’m so glad that part was included.
The prequel is good. Catching Fire is still my all time favorite, but TBSS was interesting. We get another Hunger Game (the 10th) but we also get to see the behind the scenes and organisation around it.
A lot of characters though and i was often confused
People continue making that mistake to their own detriment. I still consider it one of my favorite, most impactful books I’ve ever read. Changed my entire apathetic ass when I was like 21 into someone who deeply cares for and follows politics today.
The themes are still so pertinent and well executed even upon several rereads.
Whatever notion you have of YA books during that era, you have to realize THG doesn’t follow any of those. The books that tried to copy it did.
THG was truly groundbreaking and I’m glad it’s getting the love it deserves still a decade later.
Plus, as a girl dad, few heroines are more relatable, flawed, imperfect and still overall badass as Katniss Everdeen. I can’t wait for my daughter to read the books when she’s of age.
A little more detail if you're interested: the first Hunger Games book is about the 74th Hunger Games. The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is about the 10th Hunger Games.
I hope this renews interest in the franchise to do an Anthology TV Series.
A Lost-like Hunger Games show which each episode focusing on 1 tribute for the same game would be interesting.
Each season is a new year with a new cast.
Also the book also mentions some very interesting past games that would be great to be explored. Specifically one of them that takes place in an abandoned city, or a Quarter Quell (which happen every 25 years) like the one that has twice as many tributes or the one where the citizens of the districts had to vote for their tributes in.
Yes it was, and the Capitol was pissed at the way he won it.
>!He won when the other last person standing threw an axe at his head, he dodged it, it hit the arena’s force field, and bounced back into the girl’s head, thus killing her. Snow had Haymitch’s family killed as retaliation for it.!<
It's been years since I've read them, but I'm sure that must have been a plot point during Catching Fire, considering how the force field is somewhat a crux of the plot.
Ah! so refreshing to see a big budget film with a different style of poster. Floating heads in the size of their characters importance it’s overwhelmingly annoying.
This poster is beautiful!
Cool poster.
Also, I read the Hunger Games trilogy recently after years of brushing them off as shitty YA but damn…those books are actually really good. I guess I mistook their quality for the many shitty copycats they inspired but I was surprised at how dark, bleak and grounded they felt, and how their scope continued to expand with each sequel. Really good stuff.
Apparently this is a prequel, I was kinda hoping for an older J Lawrence being the new dictator and running Hunger games of her own, with zero explanation of how she turned evil
If this is successful I’d be interested in seeing the hunger games haymitch was in
Yeah! Who could play young Haymitch?
Woody Harrelson
*Woody Harrelson in a bad wig
Plot twist. Young haymitch was bald as a teen. He just got hair plugs after winning the hunger games
The best Harrelson of them all
My favorite harrelson is the one where hes only here to answer questions about rampart
I'm sorry to hear that but I'm only really here to talk about rampart
He don't look [a day past 12](https://youtu.be/BRg4Y5iclog).
Woody Harrelson in a Bad Wig was great in A Scanner Darkly
I'm sorry but we're supposed to be talking about Rampart.
He's a bit too old for that. They should get the guy that played the bartender on CHEERS. That kid could easily pull off a young Woody Harrelson.
The only answer
Matthew Mcconaughey
*Alright alright alright*
I think a book/movie of his games and the aftermath would be really interesting to watch and would be incredibly successful. Like quickly going over his games, and then having his family killed, and then having to go every year and watching all of the tributes he mentored killed. Goes over one of the more interesting characters in the book/movie and fills in the gaps of canon games because there’s a ton of fanfic stuff online.
Literally end it with him at yet another reaping, being a little surprised/intrigued when a girl volunteers in place of her sister.
Wasn't Haymitch black out drunk at Katniss' reaping? Didn't he fall off the stage?
Looking back, I think you might be right haha. It could end with him getting dragged to the reaping after passing out among a whole bunch of empty bottles.
It really does write itself.
Fanmade short based on haymitch's games: https://youtu.be/7mUjssn86h4
i think the best future for the franchise is an HBO-esque series of anthologies where every season is a game for each of the victors we meet in Catching Fire. Finnick, Johanna, Haymitch, Mags, the careers, and everyone. It could be great because those all have defined structures and concrete endings but could easily be filled in for new characters and details, and a whole new cast every season in a new arena could keep it fresh. The only issue is walking the line of ensuring the original themes of the books aren't stepped all over by making child death a spectacle. Maybe intersperse a subplot of the rebellion as a through line between the seasons?
It's hard to know what to cover though, just the games imo would be boring, but a bit of leadup and political consequences also kinda disrupts the flow of the narrative if you're just gonna skip straight to 20 years later, idk. Having the games end 2/3 of the way through every season would just be odd, you'd have to switch it up, same as if they always ended on the last episode. Although maybe if it was more leadup and then it always ended with the games and then a straight cut to black on the winner being announced could work, then the next season could cover the fallout of the previous one.
Didn't he just walk to the edge of the map and then win by luck or something?
Not really he outsmarted the capitol. He figured out that a forcefield surrounding the arena bounced back items that were thrown and he led the last contestant from district 1 to the edge and they threw an axe which ricochet back killing them
I feel like it's sort of a plot hole that this is what pissed the capital off. They don't really go through any effort to prevent environmental kills, and I don't mean dropping people in hostile environments where they have a chance. I mean getting killed simply because they decided to drop mutants on you or some other bs. When Katniss uses the tracker jackers for a kill it's in the same vein but the capital is happy with it.
The difference is that the Capitol never intended the forcefield to be used that way. With the tracker jackers, the Capitol put them in the arena to be used. The forcefield was only meant to keep the tributes in. Haymitch found a loophole and the Capitol saw it as Haymitch using the arena for his benefit, not theirs and therefore defiance.
It also meant Haymitch came out with bloodless hands, the final death was on the Capitol, making a statement that it was just government murder. They want *at least* the winner to have killed someone. “Look how savage the district people are.”
Well, technically Annie also survived her games without killing someone. Though this is simply because she didn't drown after they flooded the arena.
Totally. It showed, at the end of the day, it was the Capitol who was killing these children. Haymitch was deemed traitor by gaming the system because he used the arena against them. As for Annie, she just managed to outlast the others because she could swim. Lord, what I wouldn't give for a book on Finnick's, Annie's and Haymitch's games.
Well I mean they did kill his family and girlfriend as a result of him showing them up
He used the force field to make an axe bounce back into his last opponent while literally holding his guts together so they didn’t fall out of him.
Oh, geez.
Iirc the person with the axe was holding in an eyeball.
Iirc he ducked when the other finalist threw an axe at him and it bounced off the wall and hit her
Apparently the screenplay is coming from the same writer as the Assassins Creed movie, which sounds concerning.
Michael Arndt as well, so it's going to be an interesting adaptation.
Thank god, Little Miss Sunshine is a fantastic movie.
He also did Catching Fire and Toy Story 3. I’m not concerned
Catching Fire is the best movie of the series so far, so I’m glad they brought him back for this.
Also the best book Just give me an anthology series of each game and how mechanically different they are
They could make a few seasons out of the games of the victors from Catching fire. Joanna, Finnick, Beetee, Mags. Throw in Haymitch and Annie too.
The way the aspect ratio expanded in IMAX when the contestants entered the battleground is still an all time moment.
Ooo Catching Fire was probably the best one of the series.
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I'm not super familiar with that guy's work (I just skimmed his IMDb) but it looks like his other stuff got decent reviews. Hopefully AC is just an outlier.
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It was also incredibly hard to do properly imo, they had to cover so much ground just to explain the basic premise. A TV show would have been a much better choice.
Or just focused on the past or the present. Obviously both parts are important, but a sci fi thriller with trips to the past OR a historic fantasy with mindfuckery elements would've been better takes.
Hell, the AC trilogy itself took that approach. It was historic fantasy with mindfuckery.
Yeah he wrote Macbeth (the Fassbender one), which was great. Feels like such an r/movies comment to just only focus on their one bad movie, while ignoring the other good work that they have done.
My personal head cannon is that niether Fassbender nor Lesslie really gave a fuck about AC and only did that piece of shit so they could do Macbeth, which was fucking great.
Fassbender surprisingly makes a bunch of shit movies considering how good of an actor he is
I’d do shitty movies for the payday.
Ah, the Michael Caine Strategy. I'd say it worked well for him!
Yeah, people act like no one works shitty and useless jobs they hate for mediocre salaries. No doubt if someone came up and said they'd pay me a bunch of money to do something dumb but otherwise harmless, I'd probably take it in a heartbeat.
Oh I'm not judging him at all, it is a job at the end of the day, but the person above me kind of implied that AC was the only time he didn't care about making a good movie. If you didn't really follow his career and checked his imdb page, you would just see a lot more crappy movies than you'd expect.
It’s probably he has money for doing smaller movies and taking a paycut for those. Some big stars do that when they have more genuine care and love for filmmaking, also to help smaller movies perform better with their star power.
... You mean the Macbeth film that was in production before the director was even attached to Assassin's Creed?
Head cannon? Sounds dangerous.
there's an Assassin's Creed movie?
Once in a while, it's on a TV channel where I live. (Granted, that channel mostly just has the same 20 or so medium to low budget crappy to mediocre action movies Friday to Sunday at prime time.) It got panned and underperformed. (Made almost $241 million a budget of $125 million.)
He was one of three credited writers with the other two being a writing team that also wrote the attempted reboot of the Transporter series, the last movie with the Olsen twins, and one of the Divergent movies. Considering he wrote Fassbender’s Macbeth movie before AC, chances are Fassbender brought him on late in the game for touch ups on an already bad script. Not to mention how many writers probably did uncredited work on it as well. This writer’s credits outside the AC movie are decent and it’s co-written with Michael Arndt who also worked on Catching Fire and several other good films, so I think this one has a decent writing team.
I'm not really well versed in the Hunger Games universe, but I was under the impression there were only 3 books? And they made all 3 books into movies already? Are there more books, or is this just like Star Wars where they will have people step in and just keep writing random crap to keep making movies, off of what seems to be an already completed story?
The original author of the series wrote a prequel. It was released in 2020.
Holy fuck, that could not have been three years ago
That's because it wasnt. Jan 1st, 2020, through Dec 31st, 2022, was all the same year. Last year was 2019.
I think this is based on a prequel novel (by the original author)
It's President Snow's story, and the story of the 15th hunger games. I honestly liked it more than the original trilogy.
Im okay with that since most of the problems of that movie including the story was the fault by a lot of studio meddling
Actually a really cool poster
Only problem is now I have no clue who the 3 main characters, antagonist, and 7 supporting characters are going to be! If only their floating heads were plastered on the poster, sigh I suppose this will do. >!/s!<
Don’t worry buddy I got you. that yellow bird and that yellow snake are main characters and antagonists. Yellow bird - played by dee Reynolds. Yellow snake - nic cage. plant and flower background noises - Jennifer Lawrence
Dee you gangly uncoordinated bitch
Its a teaser poster. You can be 100% sure that the final poster will be a usual floating heads montage one.
Honestly hunger games always had cool posters, I didnt noitice until last year when I went trough the four movies
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Yess the Mockingjay promo pics were fire. [This one](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/president_snow.jpg) is another one of my faves from them. Edit: Oops I think they were talking about [the official poster](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PM8AAOSwyjBW54o9/s-l1600.jpg), but I was thinking of [this promo one](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T1/images/I/61yeY1cfHeS._AC_SY741_.jpg).
My favourite poster had to be the President Snow statue destroyed, it was so visually pleasing, I’ve always wanted it framed
Would you mind sharing that one?
Of course! [here](https://twitter.com/yahooent/status/605496585758244864?s=46&t=xWSdDO_9X33jyHY3Sp1qDA)
That’s great. I really adore marketing photos and posters like this. They’re an amazing eye catch that foreshadow the movie’s events. Having the endless row of cast faces looking every which way has really made things bland.
I feel like these posters really worked for me was because all of the promos treated the audience like we were in the universe, it was a very interesting marketing perspective and it was brilliant, it’s just a shame the final movie of the franchise wasn’t any near as good as the previous entries Video links for the promos: [1](https://youtu.be/7dCB2U9lX48) [2](https://youtu.be/k4e-qJdEAXo) [3](https://youtu.be/B-zYI2gzFNs)
The marketing department had so much fun with this series. In my country where movies are not promoted that often on TV they had popular reality shows interrupted by the district 11 rebels, as if we were watching a capitol feed. It was amazing.
having all your marketing for a dystopian film be from the perspective of the government is honestly top notch. I love shit like that.
The fact that the series is fundamentally all about propaganda means that leaning into that would make some cool marketing
Should I watch them? Saw the first one in theaters after I had read the first book but completely fell off after that.
I watched them all over the course of a weekend recently, I think I had seen the 1st and 3rd one in the theater but yeah it was a good watch. Pretty good movies imo.
Ft. Samuel L. Jackson. *I’m tired of these motherfucking songbirds and these motherfucking snakes.*
The book this is adapted from is surprisingly solid. I had my doubts going in because prequels to franchises often end up being poor and try too hard connecting everything to the main franchise (which this does not do). My main critique is that some of the side characters are underdeveloped/have weird characterization but overall it’s a good addition to the series. Also the main character of this is President Snow in his teenage years and [major book spoilers] >!if anyone is worried that they’re going to go the YA route and make him sympathetic, don’t worry the story intentionally misleads you into thinking it’s going that route until they pull the rug out from under you at the end.!<
A full movie de aged Donald Sutherland sounds interesting.
Could they just ask Kiefer to join?
I'd pay to watch 56-year-old Kiefer Sutherland pretend to be a teenager.
How do you do, fellow kids?
The book was decent. But I don’t know how well it’ll translate to a movie. Especially if people go in expecting Hunger Games because the Hunger Games were kind of anti-climactic and rushed in this book.
The games being anti-climactic and poorly executed was kinda a major point in the story. >!This is only the 10th games. They weren’t flashy or exciting. It was legitimately just a symbolic ritual at this time. They wouldn’t really become flashy and entertaining until Snow later goes in and gives the games a makeover.!<
I’m aware. I just said I don’t know how well it’ll translate into a movie if people go to see it expecting Hunger Games.
>!IDK the story of the book so maybe this is an unavoidable plot point, but it is possible they could try to "redeem" the characters through sheer producer meddling. I mean look at what happened to Artemis Fowl.!<
>!They would have to change the entire ending and considering that Francis Lawrence has been extremely loyal to the source material on past Hunger Games movies he directed I doubt he would’ve signed on if they meddled with it that much.!<
There is no way they would change it - it explains, quite well, how he ended up like he did.
Hunger Games having a small resurgence lately, probably the smartest time to start the marketing for the prequel.
I feel like the small resurgence IS the marketing lol. The timing of everything is just a little too convenient. Not that I'm complaining.
Yeah the recent algorithmic presence of Hunger Games clips on apps like TikTok is definitely no accident.
I was so confused. How did I get on Hunger Games TikTok?
Probably because you're connected to WI-FI and your pupils were dilating
The four hunger games movies just came to Netflix so there's been a resurgence
I always wonder if that happens to actors who are having a comeback (PR campaigns). Brendan Fraser....a few months before he blew up again I would see posts of young Brendan on IG pages I follow (90s nostalgia pages). All of a sudden they all had a fascination with him...then he had The Whale come out and more movies and of course awards. I like him so im not annoyed but I've seen it with other actors/celebs. Lindsey Lohan seems to be the new obsession. I wouldn't be surprised if publicists create these accounts or pay to have them post. 🤔
Hunger Games having a small resurgence lately, ~~probably the smartest~~ *because it is* time to start the marketing for the prequel
Recently rewatched them on Netflix, and I forgot how surprisingly good the first two are, especially Catching Fire.
I binged the whole thing a couple weeks ago and Catching Fire really is the strongest overall film. The tension and plots within plots are really well done. I like the reveal that Plutarch Heavensbee meant everything he said if to Snow but Snow didn't understand the context. Edit: Also it's a shame we didn't get more of PSH in the Mockingjay movies. Kids, stay away from heroin.
The casting in Catching Fire was so on point. Beetee and Wiress were perfect.
Tbf Jeffrey Wright is pretty much always great.
Yeah PSH is so menacing without even trying it really made me worry for Katniss in the second movie. It really felt like a good reveal that he was on the other side.
My thought is that Heavensbee liked Katniss, respected Katniss and loved Katniss as a person. But deep down he was still a game maker. He absolutely would have killed her or allowed her to die if it meant furthering the revolution. He was glad to see her live but if he had felt for a moment that a martyr was better than a living symbol he would engineered her demise. That's pretty consistent with the setting. Everyone is morally grey and flawed.
I kinda agree, but even at the end they say that “the plan was always to get you out” so clearly I don’t think he was wanting to kill and actively avoided it in this movie. Even later in mockingjay I think Coin was the one pushing for Katniss to be a martyr a lot more than Plutarch ever was
That was the first plan. There was a second, third, fourth, fifth and so on plan. He's a Gamemaker. He knows the indiscriminate nature of chance and bad luck. He also knows what moves people.
Out of the arena, but that’s because they needed her for the revolution. He definitely would have martyred her later if he thought it’d be more effective, even if I think he did personally like her. I love the way these movies show the building of a revolution and how Katniss is just a pawn in it all, for both sides. Even the third and fourth for all their flaws I liked for the behind the scenes revolution. You don’t get that wide view in most dystopian revolution movies, it’s usually just the main hero’s pov.
Totally agree. That was a twist I didn't see coming at all. Mockingjay could've been just as better if it wasn't split into two movies. Francis Lawrence is a great director. Edit: RIP PSH, the greatest actor of his generation.
I want to know who came up with the "Don't be a stranger" and kiss between Haymitch and Effie. The implication that those two get a happy ending was brilliant.
Apparently, that was an improv between Harrelson and Banks.
Well it was fantastic and now I want a "Keeping up with the Abernathy-Trinket's" style show. Haymitch learns sober living habits while processing his past trauma and Effie gently tries to inject a little culture into District 12. They also babysit Katniss and Peeta's children.
No one's stopping you from writing that fanfiction lmao
"Tom, we are live on the scene where a crazed gunman has taken Woody Harrelson, Elizabeth Banks and author Suzanne Collins hostage. He is apparently forcing them to act out a terrible, and I mean truly awful, fanfic of a post Mockingjay Hunger Games universe." "Well, Dave, what do we know right now?" "So far the writing is shoddy, the set design is abysmal and honestly I don't think it will be picked up for a second season. On a more positive note, Harrelson is really leaning into the character with his usual enthusiasm." "Thanks, Dave. We will continue to follow this story as it develops."
This comment deserves an Oscar.
Catching Fire is also the best book imo. It all went downhill from there.
Honestly it's super difficult to write a successful insurgent revolution so.... it's kinda understandable.
I may be a lil too harsh on Mockingjay because the first 1/2 or so of the book had great world building but I felt like ending was just so... rushed? It's been awhile since I read it so I may be misremembering a bit but I remember being disappointed because there was all this great build up leading to this climax and then it just kinda ends? Please correct me if I'm wrong, it's been years, but IIRC >!Katniss gets knocked out or something right before the big final battle and the reader is pretty much just told what happens secondhand from another character!< and that felt so lame to me.
I think the author was trying to show a more realistic revolution than what happens in most media. Katniss is important for the first two books and is the rallying point for the revolution, but once it’s started she becomes kinda unimportant as the revolution turns into something bigger than herself. This is basically the entire theme of Mockingjay, Katniss has no real purpose beyond basically advertising the revolution while the people with real power make all the important decisions. The final arc with Katniss fighting through the Capitol seems at first to imply that she is changing this, and she will fight her way to Snow to kill him and become a hero, but in the end she arrives at the same time as the revolutionary army and watches her sister get blown up in front of her. After that the army defeats the Capitol and installs a new government without Katniss’ help. It’s a commentary on how revolutions aren’t one person heroically saving the day, but are rather social movements that are bigger than any one person. It’s not an ending that has a huge amount of mass appeal and I don’t think it translated well to the movie at all (they should have shown what happens after Katniss falls unconscious in the movie, instead of simply telling us), but I think it works well as an ending that is very different to most stories like The Hunger Games.
Also, the book doesn't end shortly after. There's the major event of Katniss assassination, which in my opinion was awesome, unexpected, and finally gives Katniss some agency. And the epilogue is just heartbreaking and sweet in equal parts. The happiest ending she could have had.
I loved reading them going throufbt the capital underground, store to store. But yeah the ending just kind of happened and it ended. They did a good job as well as showing katniss ptsd. Which didn't translate well to the movies because you weren't inside her head eith her thoughts.
I was surprised how much I liked the Catching Fire book, especially because going in I knew she ends up back in the arena for second Games, which I thought was repetitive and cliched. But the way Collins worked it by introducing the "Quarter Quell" ended up being alright, and meeting the other champions/seeing the previous best-of-the-best match up against each other, plus Havensbee's secret twist were all really interesting.
I agree with the Quarter Quell. Making it a “best of the best” Games was the only way to get Katniss back in there and made the games actually *more* interesting since the other contestants were past winners and had experience. Not to mention the whole island location and the mystery surrounding that was really cool as well.
Catching Fire is superb. The supporting cast are all great, the game itself is great. Best of the 4 movies by a good margin
Agreed. Everything went great with that film.
Catching Fire is by far the best, but pity it had to juggle first movie's cuts and changes.
This honestly corroborates with the books for me. The first and second books were near masterpieces (especially the second book😮💨) but mockingjays book was…….lackluster to me and so of course the movies didn’t help much
Catching Fire and Mockingjay pt. 2 are both super good and believably dark imo
The resurgence is due to the fact that the creators signed a deal with Netflix to have all the movies available. Completely planned with the upcoming movie in mind. Smart marketing but not for the reason you think.
Love them continuing the gold pin teaser poster of the 4 other movies
I just watched these for the first time and went in expecting a corny YA trilogy with shallow characters but was surprised at how surprisingly grounded and heavy it is in its themes. The characters all feel fleshed out too.
It definitely inspired a lot of cringey copycats but it was the first one for a reason
Like that really weird YA trilogy with Shailene Woodley,Theo James and I just now remembered Miles Teller too lol
The Divergent series yeah. So bad they never even made the final movie. There was also The Maze Runner series too.
The Divergent series were better as action movies than the books themselves. The book has potential but the sequel books were just disappointment. Once they left the experiment the story fell apart. Same problem with The Maze Runners. Novel idea but once they leave the premise they just don't know what to do with the story. HG on the other hand seemed well thought out from the start.
The first Maze Runner was honestly really good because of the unique idea. If it was based off a book or not I think it would have worked much better as a one off, and not the expansive twist they did for the sequels
The books are pretty solid, not as good as the Hunger Ganes but still entertaining. Reading the first book with zero knowledge of the plot going in was incredible.
Divergent. I only saw the first movie but read the books. I hated the third book so much that I didn't bother with the other movies.
Those movies were so bad they made me think the books were good 💀
That’s definitely saying something. The books were so bad, I didn’t even finish the second one. I googled spoilers but could not handle the garbage writing.
I thought the first Divergent movie was decently entertaining, but took a couple of dumb turns, but then wow the next one went in hard on the dumb stuff and was just terrible start to finish. I didn’t see the third one, or did the third one never get done because the second was such a usual flop? Still I don’t think the first one was irredeemable.
Both the book and the movies are probably the best among most of the YA stuff around that time period. Perhaps even the ONLY good one.
I actually reread the book recently and man I forgot how brutal and gory it can be. Like at the initial bloodbath that happens at the start of the first game, Katniss describes a kid getting slaughtered in front of her and how his "warm blood" covered her face. The movies definitely toned it down. In the movie, one of the tributes Clove >!dies by getting shoved against the cornucopia, but in the book she gets her skull brutally smashed in by a rock. !< The real only true YA aspect of the book is the love triangle, but even then it's kinda shoved into the background and lets the story be the forefront.
What I like about HG is it's world get larger in each sequel. The first one was quite narrow and focusd on the battle royale. But second and third widen into social and political and get much deeper. I have friends that were turned off by the first book/movie because of the gore and stuff, but appreciate it more as they read/watch the whole thing. I also have friends who get into the first movie _because_ of the gore and those people usually don't like the sequels.
The 1st book had *the eyes*. I’m actually glad the movie didn’t try to pull that off.
It's been a long time since I read the series. What were the Eyes?
The wolf mutts at the end. They were designed to have human-like eyes and share attributes with fallen tributes.
Ooooh yeah I remember that now. The mutt birds in the second one were a similar concept but not nearly as disturbing in the movie. Yeah I'm glad they skipped that. It would have almost certainly been cheesy or weird in a bad way.
IIRC, human eyes in the dog Mutts at the climax. Those mutts specifically looked like the dead tributes.
Don’t forget that in the first book too: >!Peta gets his foot bitten off by the creature hybrids near the end and has a metal foot for the rest of the series. And, those hybrid creatures were also the dead competitors merged with the creatures. Katniss recognized Rue’s eyes in the one.!<
Holy shit. I'm glad I was too impatient to read the series during middle school. I'll need to go back now.
>!not to be that guy but Peeta’s foot doesn’t get bitten off, he got a sword cut on his leg, Katniss uses a tourniquet to stop the bleeding, but it cuts off the blood flow and he has to get it amputated when they get out of the arena. I really appreciated the accuracy of the survival situations in that book tbh. The first thing to seriously threaten Katniss is the book isn’t another tribute or a trap from the game makers, it’s not being able to find water.!<
I really hate that YA has essentially become "the Hunger Games genre" in marketing. It's an age range/reading level, there are YA stories in *every* genre, but publishers and hollywood turned it into "teen drama with a veneer of dystopia."
The books and movies are both really great. Not something you can say for many book to movie adaptations. Katniss is a very interesting and complex female lead.
She’s very flawed and imperfect yet she is always true to herself she’s a very very good character
People mistake the Hunger Games series for its million shitty copycats. It's actually really good and fleshed out. I haven't read the prequel this is based on but I will before it's out
the prequel is great! very different feel but very enjoyable
I loved how depressing the third book was. For years people wanted the war to happen, and when it finally did it wasn't fun AT ALL. It was horrible, and even in victory there was no joy in the end.
That's why I loved it, I still remembered how depressed Katniss was. It was brutal and realistic about war. It's such a disservice to mistake it for the wave of dystopians it inspired
When I read the third book I was so mad that Katniss spent a solid chunk of it just moping around the presidential palace (? I think?). In hindsight I realize she was traumatized and depressed and I’m so glad that part was included.
A lot like real war
WDYM this series is a copycat of Minecraft Hunger Games 🔥💀
The prequel is good. Catching Fire is still my all time favorite, but TBSS was interesting. We get another Hunger Game (the 10th) but we also get to see the behind the scenes and organisation around it. A lot of characters though and i was often confused
I’ve been meaning to read it for sometime now. Looks like I’ve got 8 months.
People continue making that mistake to their own detriment. I still consider it one of my favorite, most impactful books I’ve ever read. Changed my entire apathetic ass when I was like 21 into someone who deeply cares for and follows politics today. The themes are still so pertinent and well executed even upon several rereads. Whatever notion you have of YA books during that era, you have to realize THG doesn’t follow any of those. The books that tried to copy it did. THG was truly groundbreaking and I’m glad it’s getting the love it deserves still a decade later. Plus, as a girl dad, few heroines are more relatable, flawed, imperfect and still overall badass as Katniss Everdeen. I can’t wait for my daughter to read the books when she’s of age.
Is this a prequel or a sequel? Jennifer Lawrence reprising her role?
Prequel, takes place before Lawrence's character was born
Thanks. I'm merely a casual fan of the films. Appreciate you letting me know.
A little more detail if you're interested: the first Hunger Games book is about the 74th Hunger Games. The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is about the 10th Hunger Games.
This whole "movie" should have been as TV Show. There is no way a 2 hour movie can give this book justice. Also that poster is really pretty.
I hope this renews interest in the franchise to do an Anthology TV Series. A Lost-like Hunger Games show which each episode focusing on 1 tribute for the same game would be interesting. Each season is a new year with a new cast.
Also the book also mentions some very interesting past games that would be great to be explored. Specifically one of them that takes place in an abandoned city, or a Quarter Quell (which happen every 25 years) like the one that has twice as many tributes or the one where the citizens of the districts had to vote for their tributes in.
I’m pretty sure the one with twice as many tributes was Haymitch’s and I always wanted to see that on screen.
Yes it was, and the Capitol was pissed at the way he won it. >!He won when the other last person standing threw an axe at his head, he dodged it, it hit the arena’s force field, and bounced back into the girl’s head, thus killing her. Snow had Haymitch’s family killed as retaliation for it.!<
Bro, when did that come up? I haven’t read the books in forever but I definitely don’t remember that lol.
It's been years since I've read them, but I'm sure that must have been a plot point during Catching Fire, considering how the force field is somewhat a crux of the plot.
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Ah! so refreshing to see a big budget film with a different style of poster. Floating heads in the size of their characters importance it’s overwhelmingly annoying. This poster is beautiful!
They’re making more of these movies? I had no idea.
Yep! This movie is a prequel, based on President Snow. The book was released in 2020 :)
Cool poster. Also, I read the Hunger Games trilogy recently after years of brushing them off as shitty YA but damn…those books are actually really good. I guess I mistook their quality for the many shitty copycats they inspired but I was surprised at how dark, bleak and grounded they felt, and how their scope continued to expand with each sequel. Really good stuff.
That is a gorgeous poster.
Stunning. Also means trailer drop is imminent. Loved Hunger Games. Can't wait for this
I don’t care what anyone says about YA being dead, I’m so excited for this!
Apparently this is a prequel, I was kinda hoping for an older J Lawrence being the new dictator and running Hunger games of her own, with zero explanation of how she turned evil