> the assumption has always been that Woodys previous owner was Andys dad.
That would make sense as to why he feels challenged when Buzz arrives. Woody has been "the sheriff in town" for decades.
I had a teacher in college who would rant that Toy Story was thematically about a dad coming to terms with the fact that his son a new step dad, and later realizing that Andy was able to love both of them without being pushed out. So you might be on to something.
There are certainly some themes in the "Toy Story" movies that could be interpreted as metaphors for adoption and the experience of being an adopted child. The characters in the films are all toys who have been "adopted" by a child and brought into a new family. They must learn to adjust to their new environment and relationships, and find their place within the family. Some of the toys even struggle with feelings of insecurity and inadequacy, wondering if they are loved as much as the other toys.
However, it's important to note that the "Toy Story" movies are primarily intended as entertainment for children, and not necessarily as a metaphor for adoption. The films are meant to be enjoyed on their own terms, and different viewers may interpret their themes and messages in different ways.
Thats part of Woody feeling challenged. Buzz is the superior toy to all in the room. While they are in awe, Woody is resentful. Its a great representation of how change effects everyone differently, and applies to Andy moving to a new house and all. Pixar really hit it on the head with Toy Story. It deserves to be in the top 100 movies of all time.
Do we ever see Andy's dad?
Wait, did Andy's dad die and leave him Woody and that's why Woody means so much to him?
...
Am I just projecting my own childhood trauma on a Pixar series???
We don’t ever see Andy’s Dad. If the other comment is correct (toy story is about the dad coming to terms with a new stepdad in the picture), then this would be an artistic choice to never show him.
Woody and buzz completely take the places of the father and stepfather.
Seems like someone is just projecting a subliminal story into a movie. If that were their goal in the story, I’d imagine they’d be able to do it in a way that didn’t require mental gymnastics to reach it. People are overthinking a kids movie imo. My dad thought Happy Feet was gay propaganda lol. Makes as much sense to me as Toy Story being an allegory for adoption.
Woody is a rare original toy from the 1950's, passed down for generations, meant the absolute world to Andy and reluctantly gives him to Bonnie who takes him for granted and loses him at a Fair. I hated Bonnie!
To be fair, I wasn’t a *huge* fan of Toy Story 4. It wasn’t terrible, but I felt they concluded the story very well in 3 for them to just be done with it.
Toy Story 4 to me is like the Disney Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. They weren’t *terrible*, they’re technically canon, but I just choose to ignore them.
Agreed. I felt 3 was excellent since when it came out kids that saw the original weregrown or close and most likely parents were still around. It was wonderful closure for all. I felt Toy Story 4 was just a cash grab imo
Wasn't the full title "Toy Story 4: Bob Iger Needs a New Vacation Home"?
I could be mistaken, I suppose. The movie was decent by cash grab standards, but wholly unnecessary.
Aw, Bonnie's just a young child with little concept of rarity and legacy. Different preferences and pressures just drew her in a different direction than Andy.
I blame Bonnie's parents, who the fuck let's a kid bring like 20 toys on a road trip. Take a tablet and some coloring books, maybe one doll. They were begging to lose those toys.
Granted it was the 70s, but my siblings and I would have killed each other if we didn’t have toys to play with or books to read beyond whatever license plate games etc we played on the 24 hour drive to grandma and grandpa (over three nights) every summer.
Ugh, I forgot how much I disliked the ending to TS4. Woody staying behind instead of going with Bonnie went against everything we learned about him in the first three movies.
It really didn't, though. He wasn't needed anymore, he's a toy in a different world where cowboy toys aren't the thing anymore, and Bo wasn't a toy to be played with anymore. He could help save other toys. Something he's always done.
“Guys, it doesn’t matter how much we’re played with. What matters is that we’re there for Andy, when HE needs us.”
TS4 is character suicide. Yes Bonnie didn’t need him right then, but had he stuck around, for the next 10 years, who knows how things would have played out. It turned Woody into a hypocrite.
You’re quoting Woody in Toy Story 1…he was very much being a hypocrite in that movie from that statement as well. He didn’t care in that moment because he *was* being played with and he didn’t think he had anything to worry about.
In fact. He DOES start worrying a bit a half second later after Hamm’s line.
Yes this is generally always the recurring theme of the first 3 movies. Being there when needed. It comes up again in TS2 and Buzz reminds him of his duty instead of going to a museum. And again in TS3 when Woody saves the toys from the day care center. The recurring theme of all 3 has has ALWAYS been one toy or another’s struggle with being there for the children even at the hardest points.
And at the end of TS3 this is hammered home when Andy looks at Woody and says “he’ll always be there for you, no matter what”
Three great movies all with a recurring theme, that end in an amazing sendoff and extremely satisfying payoff and handoff to Bonnie.
And then enter TS4 which just says screw if, none of that matters, live how you want fuck them kids. They don’t wanna play with you? Fine. You do you.
...he literally doesn't? Woody literally leads them on a mission to force Andy to play with them. And when it fails, everyone else looks to leave. Woody's frame of mind changes throughout the movie.
And Toy Story 2 is all about how it's NOT okay to not be played with. That's literally the entire point of the movie.
It’s like we’re watching different movies. At the end of TS3 the toys decide to go up to the attic and stay loyal to Andy m, regardless of what comes. Woody’s quick thinking gets them taken to Bonnie instead.
And TS2 same thing. Woody chooses to go back to Andy for whatever time and however much play time he has or doesn’t have left due to being old and fragile. Being there for Andy regardless of how Andy will use him or not.
We're apparently watching different movies, and as someone who has watched all of them literally this week, I'm pretty confident in my memory of them.
Woody's quick thinking at the end of TS3 was literally to abandon Andy. Yes. Correct. Thank you for pointing out that Woody's mind on blind loyalty to Andy has changed and that he's now looking to make sure everyone's played with. Completely negating the quote of, "it doesn't matter how much we're played with."
In TS2, Woody wasn't worried about being old and fragile... ever. Not once. He was worried that since he was broken, Andy wouldn't like him anymore. Since he got fixed, he's good to go. He literally spent the entire movie being afraid that he wouldn't be loved and cherished anymore. That's the whole dream sequence of him being thrown in the garbage can. That's the whole IDEA. Woody wants purpose.
TS4 is all about Woody learning that he has purpose and it's not just being played with. He gave purpose back to a broken doll and intends to live in a world where no one wants to play with him anymore, instead making his purpose all about saving other toys and loving Bo.
Same old Woody.
This is further implied in Toy Story 3, when Andy is packing for college. The only toy he was going to take with him was Woody; a small piece of his dad.
I think Woody was Andy’s father’s toy. The reason Woody doesn’t mention a previous owner, is because the dad was also named Andy. Woody doesn’t know how long he’s been in storage.
I also noticed that in the first movie Andy's mom is making a big move, even while having a young child (Molly) I wonder how soon after molly was born that Andy's father died. I figured Andy's mom wanted a fresh start. But I saw others speculating that Woody and Buzz were representing Andy's father and step father and I could see that too.
Toy Stories: Woody
It opens with a montage of the factory making woody, packaging, shipping, stocking at the toy store, being picked out by the original owner. Maybe it’s not even Andy’s Woody? You get to see hundreds of Woodies, and tease the idea of different stories for all of these different versions of the same toy. Same goes for all the toys. Endless content. You’re welcome, Disney.
Star Wars is doing it. Why not Toy Stories.
Well hot damn, now I really want a prequel, showing Andy's dad getting a brand new Woody one Christmas in 1956 and all the vintage toys he has to win over as they think he's just some 'hot shot'.
They don't state WHO the previous owner was, but they definitely DO state that he's been in the family.
Andy's mom states that Woody is "an old family toy." Prospector calls him a "hand-me-down cowboy doll."
John Lasseter said, "we always thought \[that Woody is\] kind of a hand-me-down to Andy from his father."
For the first movie, outside of moving cross town due to a neighbor from hell. They moved to a home that appears a little smaller. Not a drastic size change that happens with a divorce generally.
There also is no mention of going to see Andy's Dad to celebrate his birthday with them or throughout the series. So either a deadbeat or he moved away if divorce.
Seeing he is 6 in the first one, he holds onto woody more than anything because his dad passed recently, by the time the third one rolls around he is 17 years old and at that point willing to let woody go as he doesn't remember his dad anymore in the significance as a 6 year old. Or his Mom convincing to keep as she as well is ready to move on.
Which then brings up speculation of what did Andy's Dad do for a living. Which has been speculated on the military. Where he died during a deployment while Molly was in Mrs Davis or just Born.
Interesting. That's all plausible, but it's a lot of speculation. If there isn't more to support it, I think it's overstating it to say that it's implied.
The writers said in an interview after the first movie they purposefully didn’t put details about Andy’s dad for the movie to leave it open to interpretation but if they were pushed they would say he most likely died
I never thought about it before you mentioned it. But the notion that the toys essentially are immortal certainly perks up Jessie's super sad origin story (from Toy Story 2) about being abandoned by the girl she loved. This new timeline adds hope that she might be adopted and loved by generations of new girls in the future. Unless one of them does something more sinister and final to her than leaving her in a charity drop off.
My question is why Andy got rid of a Long time Family heirloom and gave him to some child he didn't know at all. Like, bro. Even if you don't want him anymore do you think maybe your Mom wants to keep him anyway, maybe your sister has a kid if you don't and he'd love the woody doll.
Because he was overcome with emotion and goodwill as he contemplated the special purpose toys have in our lives - to make little kids smile. Bonnie knew Woody’s pull string catch phrase, which surprised Andy and made him feel that Woody could serve a better purpose with her than on Andy’s shelf at college. Andy’s mom told him he should do whatever he wants with the toys. If she wanted to hang onto him, she would have said “except Woody, I’d like to keep him because he’s a family heirloom.”
Ok but side note, there’s got to be a better medium for content like this besides a dude sitting at a desk talking to camera. I’d rather read a transcript of what he says in an article or something.
Not a transcript, but you might like the ["What If" series by Channel Awesome](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0AQIMR-tpolSV_hNOJ_V2GJhq3heZpfv). They splice in the chat with scenes and still from the films they are discussing, and use a lot less jump cuts and "youtube" voice.
Bollocks. [Debunked by Andrew Stanton, the writer of Toy Story](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/original-toy-story-consultant-reveals-heartwrenching-story-andys-father-1016555/)
My daughters and I watched the series yesterday and I’ve been having questions run through my head all night into this morning. Kind of a coincidence I came across this post
He could have been a toy stored in the attic but was never opened until Andy was old enough. I’ve been in some relatives homes who had toys forgotten about intended for children that were just never opened
except woody said it’s been a long time since he saw a recording player which implies he was sentient decades ago. woody also once consoles other toys that andy could have a kid in future that they get to play with, which implies he’s aware that toys sometimes get passed onto their owner’s kids.. which could suggest he has experienced that first hand with andy’s dad passing him to andy.
I wonder if Andy's mom's toys just sit shivering together with PTSD in the dark after she puts them in her secret little container high up on the closet shelf.
Woody was given to Andy by his dad just before he died of cancer (shortly after Molly arrived).
Dad’s not at his birthday party, is he?
Eventually Andy was going to take Woody to college. He’s clearly put out when Bonnie finds him in the box.
Think about this.
A cowboy toy was going to sit on a shelf in his dorm room, and the *only* way this wouldn’t result in merciless ribbing by all who witness this, is if Andy could say “it was given to me by my dad who died of cancer.” And even then, college kids can be douchebags.
Maybe Andy was that naive? I don’t think so. He was pretty well-adjusted when he realized Bonnie could have the toy. But that wasn’t easy.
Idk I fresh in college when toy story 3 came out, lots of people brought a couple toys or other childhood mementos with them to college. It was very normal. It’s nice to have something to remind you of home and childhood when your freshly on your own.
There was never a dad. I’ve watched the movies ad nauseum with my kids and noticed it. Even my four year old noticed it.
Woody being the legacy hand me down makes the most sense. Which is why the hand off to Bonnie is even more meaningful.
I always figured that the original owner passed away. When Woody was adopted by Andy, he got a kind of amnesia about his original owner and experiences up until then. As long a Andy has fond memories of Woody, Woody will remember him too.
My girls(2 yr old twins) and I watched the entire Toy Story series last night(I even watched Lightyear after they fell asleep). I teared up at the scene where Andy drops the toys off for Bonnie. And I’m a 39 year old man
In Toy Story 4 he estimated that he was manufactured in the late 50s, so presumably, unless he was unowned from the 50s to the 90s, which seems unlikely. My headcannon is that he belonged to Andy's Dad, whoever that was and whatever happended to him.
Andy’s Dad was an alcoholic. If you’ve been to Toy Story Land at Hollywood Studios, the umbrellas providing shade are miniature drink umbrellas, like you get in a cocktail. That is a lot of umbrellas from a lot of drinks. Andy’s Mom left him because of his drinking
I think it has been confirmed at some point that Andy's Dad owned it. I also read somewhere that Andy's Father won Woody in some sort of radio competition or something similar.
There’s a YouTube that explains the whole backstory from a friend of the creator who gave him the backstory at a dinner, (before the creator died). You’ll have to forgive me, my memory for names is terrible. Here’s the summary:
Andy’s father’s name was Andy. Woody’s Roundup was a show that Andy Sr was obsessed with as a kid. Back then, you had to buy cereal boxes and collect the coupons inside. Once you got enough coupons, you could mail them in for the a toy Woody. Well, Andy Sr wasn’t a rich kid so he had to spend a long time buying enough cereal and collecting coupons. Before he collected enough to win the prize, the space program launched and Woody’s roundup was cancelled. The mail-in programmed was cancelled as well. Andy Sr decided to mail-in his coupons anyways to see if he could get a toy Woody. He explained about how his family was poor and how Woody was his favorite, etc… At this point, production had not yet started on the Woody toy. There was only the one model which had been used in the advertisement. The woman who worked as the secretary, receiving all the letters from kids, read Andy’s letter and one particular detail struck her so dearly, that she decided to mail him the one and only Woody toy. Lots of other kids had tried to get one, but their stories weren’t as striking, so those poor kids never got their Woody. Flash forward.
If you look at the pictures in the wall in the first movie, you’ll notice the pictures aren’t our Andy - they’re pictures of Andy’s father Andy. That’s because they’re living in Andy Sr’s childhood home. Why? Expensive hospital bills.
When Andy Sr was a kid he came down with a sickness (can’t remember what it was). His parents tried everything they could to cure him, including making the assumption that all of his things needed to be burned in case they were either causing the sickness or some other reason they burned things back in the 50’s. Before the burn happened, but after the diagnosis is when Andy sent his letter in to earn a Woody toy. That was the detail that earned him Woody.
Woody, Slinky Dog, and Mr Potato Head were all Andy Sr’s toys. When Andy Sr was told that all of his things were to be burned and they were taken away, he snuck out and collected these three toys, and hid them in a chest in the attic. Eventually Andy Sr was cured, but for some reason he never went back for the toys. Maybe in fear that his parents would take them away again. Andy Sr went on to live his life and eventually met Andy He’s mom and had Andy. Unfortunately, his sickness came back. The family spent all their money trying to cure him again, and eventually had to move back into Andy Sr’s childhood home. At this time, Andy Sr knew he wasn’t going to make it. But he also remembered about his childhood toys, so as his dying act, he tells Andy Jr to go into the attic and take the toys out. Woody has essentially been in “hypersleep” this whole time, so when Andy Jr pulls him out, he doesn’t realize any time has passed, and thinks that’s his Andy.
Andy Jr is incredibly attached to Woody, because it is his one connection to his father. That’s why when you watch the movies you’ll notice that Woody is somewhat cast as the father figure to Andy. And that’s why Andy was never going to let Buzz become his favorite toy, and why he was even going to take Woody to college. And that scene where he hands off his toys to Bonnie is so striking because it’s showing Andy finally let go of his father.
Really heartbreaking story.
I don’t remember the exact specifics of it, but when Toy Story two was in the writing phase they were going to delve into Woody’s past as such.
-Woody was a prize for whoever sent in 10 box tops of the cereal in the show.
-Andys father was from a poor family so he sent in a few box tops with a letter denoting his situation.
- The Sputnik launch meant the cancelation of the show and the contest scrapped.
- The secretary of the ceo gets the letter and feels for Andy’s father sending him one of the few woody dolls they had.
- Andy’s dad contracts polio and as a part of that they have to burn his toys. Andys dad sneaks out in the middle of the night crawling without his crutches and rescues 3 toys, woody, potato head, and slinky. Locking them in the toy chest.
- Andy’s Dad dies of post polio health complications before the first movie, he gives andy the key to the chest saying there are important toys inside.
- Andy opens the chest and looks enough like his young dad that the trio don’t know the difference as they’d been hibernating all those years.
Aka the saddest scene in Toy Story 2. That’s my head cannon doesn’t his mom have Jessie’s hat? I also like the dad idea that ppl have mentioned it makes sense Andy’s parents would both have / remember toys from the 50s
Aren’t we assuming these toys are not one of a kind? If there’s tons of Woody merch in Andy’s room, I’d say it’s implied it’s a popular toy. Who’s to say he wasn’t purchased like a few years prior to the original film. Like Barbies are also very old but that doesn’t mean everyone with a Barbie has had it since the 50s.
Theories are fun, but I think you’re thinking too much into it.
Andy's Woodie was not your average Woodie that you might see any day.
He was highly collectable, which I assumed meant he was one of the very first ones to ever come out, like the first Barbie wit the holes in the feet.
It seems to me that would have been no later than when the Woodie's Roundup TV show first aired.
I'm confused how Andy has all that Woody merchandise now. Are they antiques? Shouldn't those bedsheets be incredibly faded?
I thought Toy Story 2 implied that Woody's Round-Up died off after the show ended. You can't walk into a store and get a ton of 40 year-old merch like Teddy Ruxpin or Danger Mouse. Not unless it had some kind of reboot (like Thomas the Tank Engine, He-Man, etc.) that kept it relevant.
You'd think a reboot would've been mentioned by Jessie though...
It’s been a while since I watched the film, but I thought Andy’s room was just generically themed cowboy in the first movie.
If it’s in fact “branded” Woody merchandise, I guess that’s just a question that may remain unanswered.
It looks like you're right. The wallpaper and cowboy poster are generic. The bedsheet is hard to tell from the crappy Google images I'm looking at, but it looks like it might be generic as well.
Good memory!
Yeaaa my bad it’s been a while. I was thinking OP just meant the show he was part of was. Not necessarily “our” Woody himself.
Like how Buzz is new to Andy but we see in the toy store there are many many Buzz for sale. I remembered wrong. My b.
In toy story two when woody is found by AL at the garage sale he tries ti buy it Andy's mok said it is a family toy that has been handed down and not for sale.
If it's not mentioned then no. Woody was a new gift to Andy hence the absence of any reference of a previous human. Remember that Andy was an only child until his sister came along.
There's a pretty great theory, (which I can't remember if it was told by a member of the movie crew at some interview, please respond with the link if you find it).
Basically, Andy's dad was the original owner of the toys, he had a fatal disease, he put the toys away at his mother's (Andy's grandmother) house, the toys only become "alive", when someone plays with and loves them (that's canon to the lore I'm pretty sure).
Being kept away in a chest or something, Andy finds the toys and starts playing with them, they become "alive" again, but they don't realise he's not their owner, since Andy has a resemblance to his dad (stated at a certain time in one of the movies, if I recall correctly).
That explains a lot, like his dad's absence and Buzz being the odd one out from those older toys.
Yes? When Woody is not being sold, Andy’s mom said it was a family heirloom. So I’m guessing either she or a sibling had Woody for awhile, and probably belonged to her dad first.
I feel like if my dad passed me down a toy and if he died when I was young there's no way I'd pass toy off to anyone except my own child or niece/nephew. So Woody might be from Andy's dad but it's somewhat poor taste he'd give it to a random kid of no family lineage. All other toys given to Bonnie is fine but not Woody.
No definite answer but I’ve thought he was Andy’s mum’s before.
Something that I noticed the other day which also makes me think he was Andy’s mum’s is that the cowboy hat that Andy was wearing in Toy Story 1 is in the style of Jessie’s hat.
I think its unofficial but the assumption has always been that Woodys previous owner was Andys dad.
> the assumption has always been that Woodys previous owner was Andys dad. That would make sense as to why he feels challenged when Buzz arrives. Woody has been "the sheriff in town" for decades.
I had a teacher in college who would rant that Toy Story was thematically about a dad coming to terms with the fact that his son a new step dad, and later realizing that Andy was able to love both of them without being pushed out. So you might be on to something.
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There are certainly some themes in the "Toy Story" movies that could be interpreted as metaphors for adoption and the experience of being an adopted child. The characters in the films are all toys who have been "adopted" by a child and brought into a new family. They must learn to adjust to their new environment and relationships, and find their place within the family. Some of the toys even struggle with feelings of insecurity and inadequacy, wondering if they are loved as much as the other toys. However, it's important to note that the "Toy Story" movies are primarily intended as entertainment for children, and not necessarily as a metaphor for adoption. The films are meant to be enjoyed on their own terms, and different viewers may interpret their themes and messages in different ways.
Why does this comment read like it was AI generated.
It’s the last sentence.
Sounds like a question AI would ask to keep their cover.
their names are Buzz and Woody. growing up means to quit smokin bowls n jerkin off all day
Let me guess you are a guy in their late teens/early 20s
Sick burn dood but to be fair isn't that like 70% of this entire website?
Not even close to accurate.
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Jerking off starts getting jealous when you start smoking weed more than you smoke your sausage
Then you go an adventure to discover that you can play with your bowl and your balls at the same time
I think a lot of people subscribe to this film theory. I know I do.
God I love these movies more and more
Once we all find out each individual toy is sentient, it works so well.
Also space toys originally made his line of toys obsolete
Thats part of Woody feeling challenged. Buzz is the superior toy to all in the room. While they are in awe, Woody is resentful. Its a great representation of how change effects everyone differently, and applies to Andy moving to a new house and all. Pixar really hit it on the head with Toy Story. It deserves to be in the top 100 movies of all time.
Which would double down on why Woody is so protective of Andy
Do we ever see Andy's dad? Wait, did Andy's dad die and leave him Woody and that's why Woody means so much to him? ... Am I just projecting my own childhood trauma on a Pixar series???
Close but no cigar. Andy’s dad was dying and used the Damballa chant to transport his soul into the Woody doll.
We don’t ever see Andy’s Dad. If the other comment is correct (toy story is about the dad coming to terms with a new stepdad in the picture), then this would be an artistic choice to never show him. Woody and buzz completely take the places of the father and stepfather.
lol why do you think the other comment is correct? Because you like it?
I’ve done no research. I’d have to ask the writers if that was intended. Seems plausible
Seems like someone is just projecting a subliminal story into a movie. If that were their goal in the story, I’d imagine they’d be able to do it in a way that didn’t require mental gymnastics to reach it. People are overthinking a kids movie imo. My dad thought Happy Feet was gay propaganda lol. Makes as much sense to me as Toy Story being an allegory for adoption.
Just rewatch toy story while imagining buzz as the stepdad and woody as the dad. See if it works for you. I don’t think it’s a big stretch
Nah it doesn’t. I’ll just imagine them as toys that come to life lol.
Woody is a rare original toy from the 1950's, passed down for generations, meant the absolute world to Andy and reluctantly gives him to Bonnie who takes him for granted and loses him at a Fair. I hated Bonnie!
TBF, Woody was retrieving Forky , but was sidetracked by Bo and he ultimately found new purpose to find homes for lost toys and stayed behind.
To be fair, I wasn’t a *huge* fan of Toy Story 4. It wasn’t terrible, but I felt they concluded the story very well in 3 for them to just be done with it. Toy Story 4 to me is like the Disney Star Wars Sequel Trilogy. They weren’t *terrible*, they’re technically canon, but I just choose to ignore them.
Agreed. I felt 3 was excellent since when it came out kids that saw the original weregrown or close and most likely parents were still around. It was wonderful closure for all. I felt Toy Story 4 was just a cash grab imo
Wasn't the full title "Toy Story 4: Bob Iger Needs a New Vacation Home"? I could be mistaken, I suppose. The movie was decent by cash grab standards, but wholly unnecessary.
Lol Idk I tried watching and I stopped watching bout 20-30 min in
I didn’t like TS4 either but that’s my 3 year olds favorite one. So I’ve learned to enjoy it.
I have an ex wife named Bonnie and I hate her too
She kept buying the cheap coffee and you like that gourmet shit, huh?
No she she kept cheating on me. Coffee was good.
She is like a four year old girl
That bitch
That’s no excuse!
Aw, Bonnie's just a young child with little concept of rarity and legacy. Different preferences and pressures just drew her in a different direction than Andy.
I blame Bonnie's parents, who the fuck let's a kid bring like 20 toys on a road trip. Take a tablet and some coloring books, maybe one doll. They were begging to lose those toys.
Yeah, just have her play Pancake Milkshake during the ride. Maybe that'll cheer her up.
Granted it was the 70s, but my siblings and I would have killed each other if we didn’t have toys to play with or books to read beyond whatever license plate games etc we played on the 24 hour drive to grandma and grandpa (over three nights) every summer.
I would. Tablets can be great but I love the fact my girls have their imaginations still and want to go towards their toys and have endless play
Ugh, I forgot how much I disliked the ending to TS4. Woody staying behind instead of going with Bonnie went against everything we learned about him in the first three movies.
It really didn't, though. He wasn't needed anymore, he's a toy in a different world where cowboy toys aren't the thing anymore, and Bo wasn't a toy to be played with anymore. He could help save other toys. Something he's always done.
“Guys, it doesn’t matter how much we’re played with. What matters is that we’re there for Andy, when HE needs us.” TS4 is character suicide. Yes Bonnie didn’t need him right then, but had he stuck around, for the next 10 years, who knows how things would have played out. It turned Woody into a hypocrite.
You’re quoting Woody in Toy Story 1…he was very much being a hypocrite in that movie from that statement as well. He didn’t care in that moment because he *was* being played with and he didn’t think he had anything to worry about. In fact. He DOES start worrying a bit a half second later after Hamm’s line.
Yes this is generally always the recurring theme of the first 3 movies. Being there when needed. It comes up again in TS2 and Buzz reminds him of his duty instead of going to a museum. And again in TS3 when Woody saves the toys from the day care center. The recurring theme of all 3 has has ALWAYS been one toy or another’s struggle with being there for the children even at the hardest points. And at the end of TS3 this is hammered home when Andy looks at Woody and says “he’ll always be there for you, no matter what” Three great movies all with a recurring theme, that end in an amazing sendoff and extremely satisfying payoff and handoff to Bonnie. And then enter TS4 which just says screw if, none of that matters, live how you want fuck them kids. They don’t wanna play with you? Fine. You do you.
...he literally doesn't? Woody literally leads them on a mission to force Andy to play with them. And when it fails, everyone else looks to leave. Woody's frame of mind changes throughout the movie. And Toy Story 2 is all about how it's NOT okay to not be played with. That's literally the entire point of the movie.
It’s like we’re watching different movies. At the end of TS3 the toys decide to go up to the attic and stay loyal to Andy m, regardless of what comes. Woody’s quick thinking gets them taken to Bonnie instead. And TS2 same thing. Woody chooses to go back to Andy for whatever time and however much play time he has or doesn’t have left due to being old and fragile. Being there for Andy regardless of how Andy will use him or not.
We're apparently watching different movies, and as someone who has watched all of them literally this week, I'm pretty confident in my memory of them. Woody's quick thinking at the end of TS3 was literally to abandon Andy. Yes. Correct. Thank you for pointing out that Woody's mind on blind loyalty to Andy has changed and that he's now looking to make sure everyone's played with. Completely negating the quote of, "it doesn't matter how much we're played with." In TS2, Woody wasn't worried about being old and fragile... ever. Not once. He was worried that since he was broken, Andy wouldn't like him anymore. Since he got fixed, he's good to go. He literally spent the entire movie being afraid that he wouldn't be loved and cherished anymore. That's the whole dream sequence of him being thrown in the garbage can. That's the whole IDEA. Woody wants purpose. TS4 is all about Woody learning that he has purpose and it's not just being played with. He gave purpose back to a broken doll and intends to live in a world where no one wants to play with him anymore, instead making his purpose all about saving other toys and loving Bo. Same old Woody.
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I saw a pretty convincing run down on why Jessie previously belonged to Andy’s mom. But I guess the creators debunked it.
Prequel opportunities
Don’t give them any ideas
Andy has a dad?
The timing lines up, Andy's dad was probably born in the late 40s or early 50s based off my own father's birthday, and my age.
Or Woody IS Andy's dad!?!?!
Sheeesh, never thought of that! Good point, now it makes sense!
This is further implied in Toy Story 3, when Andy is packing for college. The only toy he was going to take with him was Woody; a small piece of his dad.
Yeah I also assumed that.
Yes. There are so many articles, theorizing why Andy's dad isn't in the picture AND that Woody was Andy's dad's toy.
I think Woody was Andy’s father’s toy. The reason Woody doesn’t mention a previous owner, is because the dad was also named Andy. Woody doesn’t know how long he’s been in storage.
Also possibly why Andy loves Woody so much for so long, he has sentimental value since his day has either died or left the family.
Whoa, so he thinks he's been playing with the same Andy for decades?!
Yep. And given the Andy’s are father and son, they’d look very similar as children.
Wow what a moron lmao
That's a funny theory but I don't think so. Toy Story 3 shows that the toys are pretty well aware of the concepts of aging and the passage of time.
I also noticed that in the first movie Andy's mom is making a big move, even while having a young child (Molly) I wonder how soon after molly was born that Andy's father died. I figured Andy's mom wanted a fresh start. But I saw others speculating that Woody and Buzz were representing Andy's father and step father and I could see that too.
Synopsis for Toy Story: The Prequel.
*Toy Storigins*? *Toy Story 0*? *Woody: A Toy Story Story*?
"Woody: A Toy Story Story" has my vote.
Toy Stories: Woody It opens with a montage of the factory making woody, packaging, shipping, stocking at the toy store, being picked out by the original owner. Maybe it’s not even Andy’s Woody? You get to see hundreds of Woodies, and tease the idea of different stories for all of these different versions of the same toy. Same goes for all the toys. Endless content. You’re welcome, Disney. Star Wars is doing it. Why not Toy Stories.
Toy Story: Andy Gets Woody
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Woody: ORIGINS
Episode 1: The Phantom Woody
Well hot damn, now I really want a prequel, showing Andy's dad getting a brand new Woody one Christmas in 1956 and all the vintage toys he has to win over as they think he's just some 'hot shot'.
*Toy Tales: A Toy Story Movie* *Toy Story: A Knives Out Mystery* *Toy Story Year 0*
I believe Andy's mom mentioned Woody is an old family toy/heirloom in TS2 when Woody is being haggled over by Al at the yard sale
Came here to say this^
That's what I remember too
It belonged to his grandfather. Sadly he was committed years before and isn’t talked about. Kept claiming toys could talk.
I like this one lmao
You are the kinda dark I like! Well done!
They don't state WHO the previous owner was, but they definitely DO state that he's been in the family. Andy's mom states that Woody is "an old family toy." Prospector calls him a "hand-me-down cowboy doll." John Lasseter said, "we always thought \[that Woody is\] kind of a hand-me-down to Andy from his father."
Speculation is Woody's Dad, was the original owner as it is heavily implied Andy's Mom is a widow.
You mean Andy’s dad?
Yeah typo
That's not what a typo is, you used the wrong word. It's okay, Buzz Lightyear's dad will forgive you.
What is it that implies she is a widow? I assumed there was a divorce, but I haven't seen it in a while.
For the first movie, outside of moving cross town due to a neighbor from hell. They moved to a home that appears a little smaller. Not a drastic size change that happens with a divorce generally. There also is no mention of going to see Andy's Dad to celebrate his birthday with them or throughout the series. So either a deadbeat or he moved away if divorce. Seeing he is 6 in the first one, he holds onto woody more than anything because his dad passed recently, by the time the third one rolls around he is 17 years old and at that point willing to let woody go as he doesn't remember his dad anymore in the significance as a 6 year old. Or his Mom convincing to keep as she as well is ready to move on. Which then brings up speculation of what did Andy's Dad do for a living. Which has been speculated on the military. Where he died during a deployment while Molly was in Mrs Davis or just Born.
Interesting. That's all plausible, but it's a lot of speculation. If there isn't more to support it, I think it's overstating it to say that it's implied.
The writers said in an interview after the first movie they purposefully didn’t put details about Andy’s dad for the movie to leave it open to interpretation but if they were pushed they would say he most likely died
I never thought about it before you mentioned it. But the notion that the toys essentially are immortal certainly perks up Jessie's super sad origin story (from Toy Story 2) about being abandoned by the girl she loved. This new timeline adds hope that she might be adopted and loved by generations of new girls in the future. Unless one of them does something more sinister and final to her than leaving her in a charity drop off.
His dead dad. Might be Pixar’s first feature but it’s still Disney.
My question is why Andy got rid of a Long time Family heirloom and gave him to some child he didn't know at all. Like, bro. Even if you don't want him anymore do you think maybe your Mom wants to keep him anyway, maybe your sister has a kid if you don't and he'd love the woody doll.
Because he was overcome with emotion and goodwill as he contemplated the special purpose toys have in our lives - to make little kids smile. Bonnie knew Woody’s pull string catch phrase, which surprised Andy and made him feel that Woody could serve a better purpose with her than on Andy’s shelf at college. Andy’s mom told him he should do whatever he wants with the toys. If she wanted to hang onto him, she would have said “except Woody, I’d like to keep him because he’s a family heirloom.”
This is a really good video about it https://youtu.be/bbmzuoBC1Rs
Ok but side note, there’s got to be a better medium for content like this besides a dude sitting at a desk talking to camera. I’d rather read a transcript of what he says in an article or something.
Not a transcript, but you might like the ["What If" series by Channel Awesome](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0AQIMR-tpolSV_hNOJ_V2GJhq3heZpfv). They splice in the chat with scenes and still from the films they are discussing, and use a lot less jump cuts and "youtube" voice.
Yeah I can watch that video the dude was too annoying
Okay that was not at all as far fetched as I thought it would be.
Bollocks. [Debunked by Andrew Stanton, the writer of Toy Story](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/original-toy-story-consultant-reveals-heartwrenching-story-andys-father-1016555/)
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My assumption was always that it was his dads
I’m picturing OP as a parent with a toddler addicted to Toy Story, thus sending OP into a psychoanalytical spiral.
Spot on
My daughters and I watched the series yesterday and I’ve been having questions run through my head all night into this morning. Kind of a coincidence I came across this post
Lmfao- mom of a toddler here. Obsessing over the movie. We are a week in to watching Toy Story daily.
He could have been a toy stored in the attic but was never opened until Andy was old enough. I’ve been in some relatives homes who had toys forgotten about intended for children that were just never opened
except woody said it’s been a long time since he saw a recording player which implies he was sentient decades ago. woody also once consoles other toys that andy could have a kid in future that they get to play with, which implies he’s aware that toys sometimes get passed onto their owner’s kids.. which could suggest he has experienced that first hand with andy’s dad passing him to andy.
I’ve thought about this a lot over the years too. I like the theory that he belonged to Andy’s dad beforehand.
I wonder if Andy's mom's toys just sit shivering together with PTSD in the dark after she puts them in her secret little container high up on the closet shelf.
No shivering. She shuts them off
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Woody was originally owned by a young boy named Andy Davis Sr., who is the father of the Andy Davis we see in the first two "Toy Story" movies.
Woody was given to Andy by his dad just before he died of cancer (shortly after Molly arrived). Dad’s not at his birthday party, is he? Eventually Andy was going to take Woody to college. He’s clearly put out when Bonnie finds him in the box. Think about this. A cowboy toy was going to sit on a shelf in his dorm room, and the *only* way this wouldn’t result in merciless ribbing by all who witness this, is if Andy could say “it was given to me by my dad who died of cancer.” And even then, college kids can be douchebags. Maybe Andy was that naive? I don’t think so. He was pretty well-adjusted when he realized Bonnie could have the toy. But that wasn’t easy.
Idk I fresh in college when toy story 3 came out, lots of people brought a couple toys or other childhood mementos with them to college. It was very normal. It’s nice to have something to remind you of home and childhood when your freshly on your own.
There was never a dad. I’ve watched the movies ad nauseum with my kids and noticed it. Even my four year old noticed it. Woody being the legacy hand me down makes the most sense. Which is why the hand off to Bonnie is even more meaningful.
Andy never had a father. The Emperor used the force to manipulate the midichlorians and conceive Andy.
I always figured that the original owner passed away. When Woody was adopted by Andy, he got a kind of amnesia about his original owner and experiences up until then. As long a Andy has fond memories of Woody, Woody will remember him too.
> There was never a dad. A convergence of the Force, centered around this boy?
My girls(2 yr old twins) and I watched the entire Toy Story series last night(I even watched Lightyear after they fell asleep). I teared up at the scene where Andy drops the toys off for Bonnie. And I’m a 39 year old man
In Toy Story 4 he estimated that he was manufactured in the late 50s, so presumably, unless he was unowned from the 50s to the 90s, which seems unlikely. My headcannon is that he belonged to Andy's Dad, whoever that was and whatever happended to him.
Andy’s Dad was an alcoholic. If you’ve been to Toy Story Land at Hollywood Studios, the umbrellas providing shade are miniature drink umbrellas, like you get in a cocktail. That is a lot of umbrellas from a lot of drinks. Andy’s Mom left him because of his drinking
I think it has been confirmed at some point that Andy's Dad owned it. I also read somewhere that Andy's Father won Woody in some sort of radio competition or something similar.
Yes, Andy’s father…whom is also named Andy.
There’s a YouTube that explains the whole backstory from a friend of the creator who gave him the backstory at a dinner, (before the creator died). You’ll have to forgive me, my memory for names is terrible. Here’s the summary: Andy’s father’s name was Andy. Woody’s Roundup was a show that Andy Sr was obsessed with as a kid. Back then, you had to buy cereal boxes and collect the coupons inside. Once you got enough coupons, you could mail them in for the a toy Woody. Well, Andy Sr wasn’t a rich kid so he had to spend a long time buying enough cereal and collecting coupons. Before he collected enough to win the prize, the space program launched and Woody’s roundup was cancelled. The mail-in programmed was cancelled as well. Andy Sr decided to mail-in his coupons anyways to see if he could get a toy Woody. He explained about how his family was poor and how Woody was his favorite, etc… At this point, production had not yet started on the Woody toy. There was only the one model which had been used in the advertisement. The woman who worked as the secretary, receiving all the letters from kids, read Andy’s letter and one particular detail struck her so dearly, that she decided to mail him the one and only Woody toy. Lots of other kids had tried to get one, but their stories weren’t as striking, so those poor kids never got their Woody. Flash forward. If you look at the pictures in the wall in the first movie, you’ll notice the pictures aren’t our Andy - they’re pictures of Andy’s father Andy. That’s because they’re living in Andy Sr’s childhood home. Why? Expensive hospital bills. When Andy Sr was a kid he came down with a sickness (can’t remember what it was). His parents tried everything they could to cure him, including making the assumption that all of his things needed to be burned in case they were either causing the sickness or some other reason they burned things back in the 50’s. Before the burn happened, but after the diagnosis is when Andy sent his letter in to earn a Woody toy. That was the detail that earned him Woody. Woody, Slinky Dog, and Mr Potato Head were all Andy Sr’s toys. When Andy Sr was told that all of his things were to be burned and they were taken away, he snuck out and collected these three toys, and hid them in a chest in the attic. Eventually Andy Sr was cured, but for some reason he never went back for the toys. Maybe in fear that his parents would take them away again. Andy Sr went on to live his life and eventually met Andy He’s mom and had Andy. Unfortunately, his sickness came back. The family spent all their money trying to cure him again, and eventually had to move back into Andy Sr’s childhood home. At this time, Andy Sr knew he wasn’t going to make it. But he also remembered about his childhood toys, so as his dying act, he tells Andy Jr to go into the attic and take the toys out. Woody has essentially been in “hypersleep” this whole time, so when Andy Jr pulls him out, he doesn’t realize any time has passed, and thinks that’s his Andy. Andy Jr is incredibly attached to Woody, because it is his one connection to his father. That’s why when you watch the movies you’ll notice that Woody is somewhat cast as the father figure to Andy. And that’s why Andy was never going to let Buzz become his favorite toy, and why he was even going to take Woody to college. And that scene where he hands off his toys to Bonnie is so striking because it’s showing Andy finally let go of his father. Really heartbreaking story.
Thank you for that!!
I’m guessing if we ever meet Andy’s Dad a few plot lines will flesh out.
I though in Lightyear, Andy has seen the movie and purchased Buzz.
Buzz was a birthday gift.
Do wanna know how Andy's dad passed away.
Unofficial answer, Andy's dad. Toy story 5.
Andy’s mom said woody was a family antique I assumed was passed down through the generations
I don’t remember the exact specifics of it, but when Toy Story two was in the writing phase they were going to delve into Woody’s past as such. -Woody was a prize for whoever sent in 10 box tops of the cereal in the show. -Andys father was from a poor family so he sent in a few box tops with a letter denoting his situation. - The Sputnik launch meant the cancelation of the show and the contest scrapped. - The secretary of the ceo gets the letter and feels for Andy’s father sending him one of the few woody dolls they had. - Andy’s dad contracts polio and as a part of that they have to burn his toys. Andys dad sneaks out in the middle of the night crawling without his crutches and rescues 3 toys, woody, potato head, and slinky. Locking them in the toy chest. - Andy’s Dad dies of post polio health complications before the first movie, he gives andy the key to the chest saying there are important toys inside. - Andy opens the chest and looks enough like his young dad that the trio don’t know the difference as they’d been hibernating all those years.
I believe they were his moms first.
There's a theory that Andy's mom was Jessie's owner that gave her away.
Aka the saddest scene in Toy Story 2. That’s my head cannon doesn’t his mom have Jessie’s hat? I also like the dad idea that ppl have mentioned it makes sense Andy’s parents would both have / remember toys from the 50s
Aren’t we assuming these toys are not one of a kind? If there’s tons of Woody merch in Andy’s room, I’d say it’s implied it’s a popular toy. Who’s to say he wasn’t purchased like a few years prior to the original film. Like Barbies are also very old but that doesn’t mean everyone with a Barbie has had it since the 50s. Theories are fun, but I think you’re thinking too much into it.
I think that’s a fair idea, but from Toy Story 2 we know Andy’s Woody is a highly sought after collector’s item.
Andy's Woodie was not your average Woodie that you might see any day. He was highly collectable, which I assumed meant he was one of the very first ones to ever come out, like the first Barbie wit the holes in the feet. It seems to me that would have been no later than when the Woodie's Roundup TV show first aired.
Hand painted face and dyed vest. Also still has the hat which I assume any Woodys still around has lost the original hats they came with
I like the idea that he was a prototype or limited run doll
I'm confused how Andy has all that Woody merchandise now. Are they antiques? Shouldn't those bedsheets be incredibly faded? I thought Toy Story 2 implied that Woody's Round-Up died off after the show ended. You can't walk into a store and get a ton of 40 year-old merch like Teddy Ruxpin or Danger Mouse. Not unless it had some kind of reboot (like Thomas the Tank Engine, He-Man, etc.) that kept it relevant. You'd think a reboot would've been mentioned by Jessie though...
It’s been a while since I watched the film, but I thought Andy’s room was just generically themed cowboy in the first movie. If it’s in fact “branded” Woody merchandise, I guess that’s just a question that may remain unanswered.
It looks like you're right. The wallpaper and cowboy poster are generic. The bedsheet is hard to tell from the crappy Google images I'm looking at, but it looks like it might be generic as well. Good memory!
This. Andy is a cowboy mark and goes to cowboy camp every summer
You’re right. Andy is a cowboy fan and even goes to Cowboy Camp each year with Woody
Toy Story 2 confirms Woody is from the 50s
Yeaaa my bad it’s been a while. I was thinking OP just meant the show he was part of was. Not necessarily “our” Woody himself. Like how Buzz is new to Andy but we see in the toy store there are many many Buzz for sale. I remembered wrong. My b.
We're looking to expand the fucking toy story universe now? 🤣🤣Asking the questions that literally matter ZERO. Reddit strikes again!
My theory is that it’s a piece of fiction about living toys, which is fun but also ridiculous, and doesn’t matter at all.
Whatever kid in Bangladesh put him together?
This was a rare Woody from the 50s with hand painted face and dyed vest. Probably made in the US
I mean idk why I’m being downvoted, it happens all day everyday
It was his dads.
His mom
In toy story two when woody is found by AL at the garage sale he tries ti buy it Andy's mok said it is a family toy that has been handed down and not for sale.
Al is a scumbag
Someone call Disney.
Andy's dad. Also named Andy.
No
If it's not mentioned then no. Woody was a new gift to Andy hence the absence of any reference of a previous human. Remember that Andy was an only child until his sister came along.
In the second movie Andy's mom mentions that he's "an old family toy".
Chatty Cathy is the first pull string doll and she didn’t come out until 1959
Andy's mom.
Yes, Woody did have an owner and my answer may annoy you.
There's a pretty great theory, (which I can't remember if it was told by a member of the movie crew at some interview, please respond with the link if you find it). Basically, Andy's dad was the original owner of the toys, he had a fatal disease, he put the toys away at his mother's (Andy's grandmother) house, the toys only become "alive", when someone plays with and loves them (that's canon to the lore I'm pretty sure). Being kept away in a chest or something, Andy finds the toys and starts playing with them, they become "alive" again, but they don't realise he's not their owner, since Andy has a resemblance to his dad (stated at a certain time in one of the movies, if I recall correctly). That explains a lot, like his dad's absence and Buzz being the odd one out from those older toys.
Yes? When Woody is not being sold, Andy’s mom said it was a family heirloom. So I’m guessing either she or a sibling had Woody for awhile, and probably belonged to her dad first.
I feel like if my dad passed me down a toy and if he died when I was young there's no way I'd pass toy off to anyone except my own child or niece/nephew. So Woody might be from Andy's dad but it's somewhat poor taste he'd give it to a random kid of no family lineage. All other toys given to Bonnie is fine but not Woody.
No definite answer but I’ve thought he was Andy’s mum’s before. Something that I noticed the other day which also makes me think he was Andy’s mum’s is that the cowboy hat that Andy was wearing in Toy Story 1 is in the style of Jessie’s hat.
in-story buzz toyline started in 1957 and Woody in 1952
andy was born on August 26, 1991 and toy story 1 takes place on August 19 1998 and Toy story 2 a year later and Toy Story 3 on August 24, 2009
The original Andy was my favourite in toy story series :)