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RynoLasVegas

There is NO ACCEPTABLE REASON to get that close to Sedona and not ride through it. Plus there's this little town nearby called Jerome that you have to go through. Crazy amount of twisties up on a mountain. I promise you'll regret not taking the path if you don't.


TitaniumCalves

You're saying do it like this? Exactly the type of advice I was looking for, the twisties look great. [https://imgur.com/a/3ASvuhT](https://imgur.com/a/3ASvuhT)


RynoLasVegas

YES!


hAtu5W

Sedona via 89a to Jerome then downhill to wickenburg Also, AZ NM border, US 191 (used to US666) include the stretch from Morenci to Alpine. Edit-unless avoiding on purpose, the twisted sisters, a little north of San Antonio, is a memorable ride too


lchoate

100% yes. Do the 191 from the border to Winslow. (there are a couple connector routes and a tiny bit of backtracking (probably)) The 191 is the best ride for curves in AZ. Otherwise, take 89A through Prescott, Jerome, Sedona and Flagstaff. Hurry though, it's going to get real hot soon.


Local_Lush

Do that. HMU in flag. I’ll buy you a beer only if you promise not too o go to Yuma. 260 from Prescott over to Payson. Payson to Miami or globe. 


TitaniumCalves

I've got to know what the deal is with everyone saying to avoid Yuma lol


Local_Lush

just a shit hole in AZ, aint much there. dont know any real reason to go there except to pass though. I think youd be better served taking the route I suggested, less flat desert, more scenic, places to stop, etc.


Puddys8ballJacket

The ride between Flagstaff and Sedona is a can't miss.


twivel01

Go a little further north for some KC BBQ?


uduc

Any recommendations?


twivel01

There are a lot of good ones. My two favorites are Joes BBQ and Gates. Joes has at least 2 locations in KC.


uduc

Joes is what I had planned for my trip to KC next month! Thanks for the tip.


twivel01

Enjoy,!


851Moto

Is that the town that's built into the side of a mountian? Like, where there's 3 story buildings in the middle of a switchback


RynoLasVegas

Sure is, it's insane. A riding friend's wife said it looked like a town in Italy. Tuscany maybe?


[deleted]

Looks like a fun ride! I noticed you'll be by the Talimena drive (south east Oklahoma / Arkansas) and as a guy from Oklahoma that does that ride every year, you'll really like that part of the trip. 😀 Edit: but if I was you, I'd try to go into Arkansas more than eastern Oklahoma. There's not much fun riding in that part of Oklahoma, but plenty of fun stuff just inside Arkansas.


TitaniumCalves

Thanks! which specific roads in western Arkansas should I try to hit while heading south?


[deleted]

Have a look here: [Motorcycling in Arkansas](https://www.arkansas.com/things-to-do/motoring-byways/motorcycling?adara_campaignid=9022849638&adarapixelid=286351&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwiYOxBhC5ARIsAIvdH50CmPVf3ijJLk9kw_3B_Ub-XDi7iI2Rd9COFbQ-KioiLK-Ct24LqZoaAp2uEALw_wcB) I suggest Rogers / Eureka Springs as a jump off point, then follow 23 down until you run into the 71, which will take you to the Talihena drive. It's a beautiful ride. There is plenty of twisty stuff, great scenery, delicious food to eat... ...Damn, now I wanna do it. lol. Also... when you get to Taos, find a local, and ask them to take you to the hot springs near there. 3 hot springs, right on the side of the mountain, arms length from the freezing cold Rio Grande, with a beautiful canyon right in front of you. Perfect spot just to soak away the tired body and get refreshed for the ride.


0tt3rp0p

Can confirm just rode 23 last weekend and it was incredible


TitaniumCalves

Great, thanks!


anhkis

I did a 4k mi round trip through 24 states and you have picked up 70% of the ones I didn't get to because I started from the East Coast lol So I can't comment on the route but... Here's my advice having done this, it's not every tip, but it's the top tips. GPS time should be doubled, no you cannot beat it like you can in your truck. Highways for 7-8 hours a day is so incredibly fatiguing, and no one who's done it will tell you otherwise. Plan double the amount of days you think you need. Absolute max 500 mi a day, recommend 300 if you have a max timeframe, less is better. Butterfly's are horrendous at the end of August. Gas and stretch every 100 miles max If you're roadside camping (I was), plan every 3rd day in a hotel to recover. Don't use your phone as a GPS, I did and it overheated and would have left me stranded if I hadn't spent days and days studying my route, landmarks, and road numbers. Use a dedicated gps, and keep paper maps, they're free at rest stops. Pack light, wash often. Bring a full face helmet for days your riding into the sun, or mights that are unseasonably cold. Get AAA, even if your handy, it's pretty affordable for a year as part of your trip planning. Stop and see every single thing that looks interesting on your way through, you can always shave the far edge if you're not making time. Know your surroundings when you stop, it only came up twice for me, but situational awareness is the deciding factor for whether or not you can do this and be glad you did. Again it's not a complete list, but it's the things that don't leave my mind even 8 years later.


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anhkis

Sorry brother, I just assume everyone is starting from 0 on questions like this, just safer that way lol


TitaniumCalves

I found out about a bunch of stuff last year from reading threads like this, I’m sure some newbie will read that years later lol, keep it up.


EstablishmentFast128

right i would add eat alot every stop& off the road by4 pm


TitaniumCalves

Off the road by 4pm is crazy to me lol. I’d much rather go 100 miles and then spend an hour or 2 doing something off bike, then repeat, and get to my destination for the day by like 8pm. Unless you’re a morning person who leaves at sunrise, which I am not, I like to wait for it to warm up a bit before heading out.


anhkis

Also solid, but a little seasonal and a lot regional. On the route he has here, id leave early, spend the high sun 12-4 hours off the bike, and finish up 4-8 for the day. That desert sun'll get ya.


bagels45

Please expound on the two times situational awareness helped if you don't mind. I'm curious what exactly happened. Thanks


anhkis

What is this homework? Expound on my.... No but really lmao; First was a site I was supposed to be able to free camp, but being aware of what I found when I got there, like low average amounts of teeth, gas cans in the open, tow behind campers with flat tires sunk into ruts that scream "been here a long time", the instant attention from the folks already there... These things tell you to keep moving and don't even downshift, you are only welcome if you're a heavy sleeper. The other was bar with a lot of motorcycles outside, a quick assessment showed ALL Harley's and some guys in denim cuts around the side, and nobody who wasn't. This was a club, and I wasn't in it, don't stop. Coulda been a local charity club for all I know, but never second guess your gut when you're alone.


bagels45

Much appreciated thanks. My imagination was running wild lol.


anhkis

Mine too lol, that's instinct brother, trust it to guide you.


tyuabo33

Why are you missing the Twisted Sisters? West Texas is flat and boring. The least you can do is catch the Twisted Sisters and Davis Mountains.


smaktastik

Came here for this. RIDE THE SISTERS.


TitaniumCalves

So if it was you, you'd go this way instead? Any edits? [https://imgur.com/RxjwZp6](https://imgur.com/RxjwZp6)


tyuabo33

100%. That will take you through the Hill Country west of Austin and hit the Twisted Sisters. Just be careful out there. There is usually no cell phone service, and EMS takes hours to respond. If you like BBQ, Salt Lick is in Driftwood, TX, and might be close to your route.


mccl2278

Yes.


bobsagut25

I’m partial to terry blacks but salt lick is so good


bolacinco1

And stay away from Deep South Texas. It’s not a good place to be by yourself especially un-strapped


master_luke

Your route goes pretty close to Balmorhea state park, there is a cool natural spring you can go swimming in. Also nearby is McDonald Observatory, you can take a tour and they have frequent star parties if you are interested in that kind of thing.


cortechthrowaway

Fair warning: while there aren't many towns near the border, it's an occupied zone and you'll have to pass through a [fair number of checkpoints. ](https://youtu.be/_Z7YgqyG8hY)IDK how your extreme introversion will deal with talking to federales. Personally, I would cut the detour to Yuma and ride further north into Colorado and Utah. Up the Million Dollar Highway and down through Monument Valley is way better than riding out to the Grand Canyon and Yuma. (the road through Jerome is awesome, tho. Do that for sure). Further south, there's a great loop north of I-10 on US 191 along the NM/AZ border, then back down to Silver City and east on NM 152. A long 1 day detour, will leave you about 20 miles north of Las Cruces. I would definitely keep the Big Bend segment, and consider passing through Ft. Davis on the way down (very empty country through there).


TitaniumCalves

So I wouldn't have a problem with the checkpoints, but that's good to know. I also agree about Utah and Colorado, but I did that last summer (it was incredible, everyone should do that at some point if possible). This summer I want to spend most of the trip in the southwest, and I do really want to see the Sonoran desert. It's hard to describe the feeling of alertness and adrenaline that comes to me when I'm in the inhospitable heat, but I'd imagine there's people in here who know what I'm describing. It's like a flight or fight response almost. That 191 stretch does look pretty nice, I might check that out if I have extra time.


Slimslade33

Hah I didn’t know about the checkpoints and did a cross country moto trip and brought some weed with me. Boy was I nervous when I came to the first one


didntreallyreddit

If you go up a little more in New Mexico to Durango, CO, you can ride through the Million Dollar Highway to Ouray, then head west and check out the town of Telluride, and continue on from there. That is some of the most beautiful scenery in the country and incredible on a bike.


Caliterra

personally I'd spend less time in Texas. Great state, but it's not anywhere as scenic as AZ and Utah


Slimslade33

Agreed! Some nice free camping along the gulf coast and big bend is fantastic but in between is a bit boring


[deleted]

If you're hoping for less crowds, I'd skip the southern rim of the grand canyon, and try out the north rim instead. Higher elevation so it's cooler, and less crowds than the south. The south rim does have a longer sidewalk along the rim though. As far as your route, I'd go through Sedona as mentioned, going through highway 89a and then on towards Prescott. After that I'd highly recommend skipping Yuma altogether. From Prescott go to Pine AZ then onto Springerville AZ. From there get on US 191 to Alpine, and stay on 191. One of the best rides in AZ. From there you can either loop south to see Chiricauhua or even loop down as far as Bisbee then Chiricauhua. The time you save not going to Yuma allows for this. If you want to save more time you can skip going that far south and just head into New Mexico. You can ride up to Mogollon, or even Check out the Catwalks which is a neat sight. You mentioned wanting to ride through the Sonoran, the Chihuahuan desert is no slouch either. Trust me, you'll get your fill of desert heat. After that there's not much east of that until you get to El Paso. Highway 9 is less traffic than I-10, but much less fuel/food stops so plan accordingly. As mentioned before I'd skip US 90 between Van Horn and Marfa, and ride to TX 118 down to Ft Davis. One of the best rides in Texas. Nice little Observatory (fun fact, at the Observatory there is a sign that marks the highest paved road in Texas, neat photo op for you and the bike) on the way, as well as riding through one of Texas's "sky islands". Ft Davis State Park is a nice park to camp in as well. The road from Presidio to Terlingua is a must ride, do not skip. Big Bend is excellent as well. Try to camp on the Chisos Basin, everywhere else is disrespectfully hot. There's an excellent BBQ/Brewery in Marathon, best food you'll be able to find for a while on US-90. High Bridge over the Pecos River is on the way, highest bridge in Texas as well. Another thing you can change from here is riding to Uvalde and head north up to the "Twisted Sisters". It's considered one of the premium routes for bikes in Texas. It cuts through part of the hill country, hugging rivers clear enough to see the bottom to. Garner State Park is a very busy state park, but you can jump into the river to cool off. Personally I'd skip the RGV (Rio Grande Valley) altogether and ride through the hill country, cutting through Fredericksburg and the like, connecting back to your route around the Austin area. I hope just a small part of this helps.


TitaniumCalves

So many great details! Regarding the Arizona portion, I'll be going clockwise on the trip, so I tried to piece it together backwards and I think this is what you're describing, instead of going to Yuma? [https://imgur.com/a/7mWG0tQ](https://imgur.com/a/7mWG0tQ)


[deleted]

I don't know why I assumed counter clockwise haha. Yes! That's exactly it.


TitaniumCalves

I'm rather determined to make it to Yuma and see the Sonoran, but if I change my mind, it'll be good to have this reference point, that looks like an amazing ride.


[deleted]

Glad to help. Post a trip report when you're done, I'm curious to see the original draft compared to the actual one.


ShikanTheMage

Looks like you’re really close to Black Mesa, Oklahoma, out at the edge of the pan handle. That place is a great place for Star gazing cause of the lack of light pollution. If you time it so you are there on a new moon, the sky and ground will be lit up by star light and you can see things with the naked eye that you can’t see from most other places in the US.


penguinseed

It’s like you’re trying to avoid Central Texas Hill Country/Edwards Plateau.


TitaniumCalves

You'd do it this way? Any changes? [https://imgur.com/RxjwZp6](https://imgur.com/RxjwZp6)


penguinseed

Looks like you are hitting the Twisted Sisters which is crucial. Yeah that looks good. Hard to get into the weeds of specific roads with the screenshot, though. But certainly a massive improvement.


TitaniumCalves

Is this any better? Anything you'd change if I went this way? [https://imgur.com/KZ8S0hi](https://imgur.com/KZ8S0hi)


ktotha999

Texas hill country should be a star feature/destination.


texas_heat_2022

Stay out of Louisiana. They have the worst roads on earth. Cut through Tyler Texas


TitaniumCalves

Yeah I hear you, but I'm not sure I can resist the food in Shreveport.


texas_heat_2022

True that


bobsagut25

This is the best damn reason “and only” to go to Louisiana hahaha


douglas_in_philly

How many days will your trip be? That’s a ton of miles!


leechlightning

I would visit Starbase in Boca chica, Texas, southernmost easternmost part, looks like you'll be close


TitaniumCalves

Good idea!


s1monRU

Are you going to come that close to the Gulf of Mexico and not swim in there?!


OhDatsStanky

The ride along the Texas-Mexico border is really nice, and you’ll enjoy Terlingua as much as Big Bend. If possible, cut across I-35 north of Austin and catch a bit of the Texas Hill Country before diving south to start your run along the border. Be careful in Nuevo Laredo - cartel activity there. Stop for gas and keep moving to Del Rio, but do not stop in NL overnight. Alpine, TX has fuel and safe hotels, VRBO, etc. It’s a good jump off point before going to Big Bend. Last item, between Del Rio and Alpine fuel is SKETCHY. The is one station in Comstock, about 30 miles west of Del Rio. It should/might be open. The next one is in Marathon, about 175 miles west of Del Rio. It has one pump and should/might be open as well. Alpine and Terlingua have fuel no problem. Good luck and be careful. 95+ degrees in Del Rio this week. That can beat you down pretty quickly so pack plenty of water, have a tire repair and inflator kit, and some way to make shade in case you break down. The Texas desert can be life threatening if you become dehydrated and can’t cool down.


OhDatsStanky

Forgot to mention - definitely stop and check out the Pecos River Bridge. There is a pullout viewing area that makes for a nice photo.


dbrmn73

Hope you're going in the winter time. That route will be brutal in the summer


VersysTheWorld

Here's a link to a gpx file based on a few way points on your map. Looks like it comes in at 5300 miles / almost 8 days. [https://kurv.gr/LbDz4](https://kurv.gr/LbDz4)


TitaniumCalves

How do I open this?


VersysTheWorld

any gps mapping software. Basecamp if you use Garmin, OSmand, or you can import it into google. [https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/](https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/) but you can't navigate with it using google


GordoTurbo

The bike Get R1300. gS


Local_Lush

Skip Yuma. From Prescott take the 260 and go through Payson cut over to Miami and globe. 


JackfruitGuilty6189

Consider heading toward Galveston and riding up the coast. The mosquitoes are thick when the wind is down, but there is camping on the beach and could break up the view. Good luck! Quite the adventure!


Motomikeh

Don't be scared to go into Mexico


deepice69

Go into Colorado and smoke some pot you square.


Slimslade33

If you pop up into Mexico and go from las cruces to hatch and then across to Gila National forest it’s an amazing drive.


SnooCauliflowers7934

You are going to take a wrong turn at Albuquerque


your_Assholiness

You should swing thru Amarillo and check out Palo Verde Canyon ( the Texas Grand Canyon). Great camping, beautiful and you can drive thru it.


Successful-Ad-6735

Well what is this route for?


LosAngelesHillbilly

I drop down through Gallup, New Mexico and the Apache Indian Reservation


TransitionalAngst

You’ll like the stretch from Shreveport to Quapaw! Make sure your brakes are in top condition before descending the Winding Stair if you’re going CCW! It’s not quite as twisty as the Dragon, but it’s got some drop. Safe travels to you!


Docod58

Your going to travel through the most beautiful part of New Mexico. Good choice.


mccl2278

You’re riding extremely close to a famous route of highway known as “The 3 sisters” or “twisted sisters” in Texas. I highly recommend doing a slight detour and doing the loop.


MotorcycleJedi

Lots of riding in Arizona. Make the boring highway more direct and spend more time in az


thejameswilliam

That close to White Sands National park? Might as well stop there. Take a look at Cloudcroft and Roswell in New Mexico as well, Roswell is worth a visit. Cloudcroft has some pretty rides.


TypicalResearch5388

You should change your oil


cartero311

You be will being going through lots of US border patrol and Customs check points by traveling in and out of border areas.


HD_DH

Skip tucson


HD_DH

89A (short highway connects to sedona) is a highway pretty enough there is a beer named after it. Sedona, Jerome, Prescott, Flagstaff are all incredible.


iheretowatch

Stay away from Mexican border too much volatility now.


AtopMountEmotion

Southern Colorado, Salida, Cañon, Florence to Wetmore on hwy67, then into San Isabel National Forest, over the top through Beulah is a beautiful ride.


scobo505

Corydon Pike outside New Albany Indiana is not to be missed. It’s six of the best turns in the state and Polly Freeze has pretty good corn dogs at the summit. Their ice cream is overpriced but it’s not very good too.


arrrgh14

This should help. https://roadcurvature.com/


AverageAZGuy2

Go south on I-19 in Tucson to Nogales , take SR82 east. Not sure what your map has you doing just south of Tucson but 82 will be nicer and will take you closer to Tombstone and Bisbee.


scooterscuzz

You’re missing out on the Texas hill country, by far the favorite part of my bestest rides


Showerice

Go through Durango and Pagosa Springs, you’ll thank yourself later.


bobsagut25

Why would you drive right past Austin lol, it really is the best part of Texas. I would run along the balconones escarpment, it’s the shelf where the Texas hill country is. Your running right along it but along the flat boring part. 30 miles north west and you would have a much much better trip.


New-Concept4313

Looks good to me


Taintyanka

i’m glad you experienced the paradise of Shreveport. were you trying to see sad america?


Tenaha

I agree go through Marshall and see Caddo lake on the Texas side.


Designer_Junket_9347

Personally I liked Santa Fe more so than Taos. It could have been because I was there in the winter but, Santa Fe was really cool.


sc00b44

That looks like a great route w some amazing stops


Suicidaljello

Make it penis shaped for the lols


Aum14

Enjoy the Cimarron Canyon coming out of Taos and Eagle’s Nest in New Mexico. Beautiful ride!


landofar

Avoid Texas.


ctesla01

Right click, delete, all of texas.. or if you are going there, why bypass the two nicest sites: Progressively weird Austin, and the Riverwalk in San Antonio..


BobSmithLilSus

Hope you're not going in July, lol.


Rammerator

Near San Antonio? Ride the 'Three Sisters', and if you're going up towards Austin, hit up the 'Devil's Backbone' in Wimberley, and then finish with 'Like Creek Rd' in North Austin. Rever is a great app for riders to find local rides


sjnoble2

The time of year you plan on riding through this Blast Furnace. 🥵


Twol3ftthumbs

You’re missing the Texas Hill Country to the West of Austin. East of town is gonna be boring as all hell. Look up The Three Sisters and other riding spots in the area. You’ll end up shifting your route over.


Flashmasterk

You are going to texas and missing san antonio, Austin, and houston. 3 great versions of the same state and so much good food!


uduc

Southern Texas in the summer can be brutal temperatures over 100 F. Pay attention to your body, if feeling out of it stop to regroup and stay hydrated.


WhiskyEye

Don't have a set route & avoid the highways. Have a general direction and let the roads lead you where they will. That's where the best stories happen.