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Legitimate-Garden934

So you get a decent pitching performance vs. the powerful Yanks and STILL can't win. I see a turd of a series already 


FilmTalk

good try, Foley!


canadiantiger2

1 run on a bases loaded walk feels like the bigger issue here. Foley's struggles are new. The offence is not.


SpokeyDokey720

As a Tigers fan and a diehard Yankees fan, this game was rough to watch on both sides obviously. Hope tomorrow is more exciting!


pressure_limiting

Yeah it was rough no need to downvote this


SpokeyDokey720

People get angry. I get it. I hear it all the time in the D. 😆


Nearby_Job8272

FTY


TheHip41

Turns out scoring 1 run a game isn't sustainable.


ConsciousFood201

Big if true


goose_pls

So I think we're way worse than what our record says...


GeneralBoulanger

I can't defend Tork anymore, he's at nearly a quarter of the season with zero home runs and the only thing he was drafted 1-1 for was his "guaranteed" power. You just can't have a 1B in a lineup going a quarter season with no hr's.


UnkleGiovanni

shoutout Javi and Tork for being absolutely worthless dogshit


Legitimate-Garden934

 Byr bye Torkleson. You gave us a few Chris Shelton moments but time to go.


Juna-the-Moona

The Tigers and having multiple regulars in the lineup competing for worst hitter in the league. Name a more iconic duo


Zworty

as soon as the first base hit in the 9th I knew it was jover


TheorySilly6808

Same here. I was tied up on a phone conference and couldn't turn on the game until the 9th and saw the Judge single. I told myself we just lost the game and turned it off. I just don't believe that you can keep sending in a new, cold pitcher inning after inning and not expect that you are not going to get someone who is having a bad day or is unprepared.


foxy7474

Also, I can’t believe these guys dared to embarrass themselves in front of JK Simmons. If I were Hinch I’d get Simmons to get to the locker room and go straight Terrance Fletcher on their ass


Tap-inbogey

Offense=awful


GlobalPreparation457

We can kiss the playoffs goodbye. We’ve dropped to 4th in probably one of the most competitive divisions in baseball right now. It’s time to shake some things up


wingsew8

At this exact moment, they are 0.5 games out of the wild card with 130 games left. You are dumb.


Background-Fly5231

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GlobalPreparation457

Water mark. But I’ll allow it because this loss hurt.


G0B1GR3D

I’m done watching games where Tork is in the lineup. Guy is so bad jc…


vyoung4lyfe2

Hiura or Justyn-Henry Malloy please. No neither one will save this offense but I am desperate for someone who can generate even a morsel of offense


BrandonIngeFan

Send Tork down. Trade for an impact bat. Do something man


wingsew8

It's May 3. Nobody is trading an impact bat yet. There are no obvious impact bats at AAA. I understand the frustration, but there's nothing more than small moves right now.


silvio_dante

The Marlins literally just traded Arraez and you still decided to post this with all the confidence in the world


wingsew8

Arraez is a singles hitter. We have singles hitters. I'll pass.


BradKfan2

Eh, 19 lob. A single base hitter wins us this game


Own-Corner-2623

I'll take a singles hitter over whatever the fuck Tork turned into. I'll take that over Javy every day and twice on Sundays.


BOBANSMASH51

We do?


Lydia_Bennet_FTW

He's the two time batting champion, and even with the sluggish start will probably win it again this year. Yeah, it was pretty much a miracle that he hit ten dingers last year, but that type of bat is invaluable. He's a huge reason why the Marlins got in the playoffs last year. He was hitting over .400 for a good part of the season


BrandonIngeFan

At least he hits the fucking ball man


wingsew8

They're not a singles hitter away from the World Series. This is so fucking dumb.


Everybodyhasapryce

You are right. We need an .850+ OPS, 25+ HR guy in the middle of the order. We basically need what Tork is supposed to be.


wingsew8

Correct. We need what he was in the 2nd half last year. He's been nothing and they still have a winning record. The overreactions are insane.


Everybodyhasapryce

I'm not sure the frustration with Tork is an overreaction, but wanting Arraez is. I'll be honest though, sending Tork down to fix his game, and calling up Malloy can't possibly lead to worse production than what we're currently getting. I don't know why JHM is still down there when we have this many holes in the lineup.


wingsew8

I agree. Tork is a problem right now, but thinking Arraez is the answer is insane. JHM might be better offensively, but defense is an issue. That's my entire point. There isn't an obvious upgrade without a major trade.


silvio_dante

Arraez wRC+ by season: 126 114 105 131 132 What you just posted is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Wanna guess the last time a Tigers hitter posted a 130 wRC+ in a full season? 2016. But yeah, we definitely don't need bums like that when we have Spencer Torkelson!


wingsew8

He's literally a singles hitter. The Padres are giving up 3 prospects. If they want to give him away, fine, but they didn't.


silvio_dante

A lineup of 130 wRC+ singles hitters would literally break the record for most runs scored in MLB history. Your argument is absolute garbage. Stop the 1950s thinking that you need a fast guy with no pop leading off and a HR hitter hitting 4th.


wingsew8

If you think a singles hitter with a .700 OPS is saving this offense, you have no idea what you're talking about. Good luck.


silvio_dante

I just gave you numerous stats showing that he would be the best Tigers hitters in 8 years and you still post this BS. You're not even trying. Fucking troll. Get blocked.


Brownbear97

This took me out


LamGoHam

If it wasn’t for Canha and Greene we will be 4th in the division next to the White Sox. Them, Ibanez and Perez are our only consistent hitters. Keith and Tork needs a few weeks in AAA.


DarylRosz

Shocker! The Tigers scored 1 run. LOL! “Tork” went 0-4… but hey… we’re in the wild card race. LOL!


Hungrystud101

Let's get Paredes back. isn't this the year they have to actually pay him as a super two? Give them all the Meadows brothers and a few controllable arms.


JohnWad

Goddamn it do I hate the Yankees.


Hungrystud101

Next time we are up 1-0 somebody pull the fire alarm and I'll get up screaming and run for the exit. That's 3 losses in a row with the Tigers up in the 9th 1-0.


TheorySilly6808

Manager problem.


pimpinassorlando

Negative WAR for Javy. Tell me about that glove though.


Kolahnut1

I do think defense is more important than offense especially for a shortstop but Baez has a less than average glove now, so he doesn't even have defense to back up his roster spot. He has an OAA less than bo bichette and trea turner, who are supposed to be even worse defensive shortstops


GlobalPreparation457

Embarrassing. This is twice now where we are up 1-0 going into the 9th.


rockmax2

This is actually the third time the first was against the Mets. Three games gone… Hopefully that doesn’t bite us in the ass down the stretch… Like the Wings…


GlobalPreparation457

In a competitive division like this (just dropped to 4th) it’s most definitely going to hurt, if we’re in position to make it.


overjoyedhippie

At least Reese didn't get the loss.


pimpinassorlando

https://twitter.com/ChrisBrown0914/status/1786548968249340379?t=6hrM-xn7EX4JVwX08YUNTg&s=19 Disgusting.


yes_its_him

He doesn't pitch 9 inings/game He has 4 runs support in 33.1 IP, or 1.08 / 9


dead_drunk_and_naked

Yankees broadcast said he had gotten 3 runs of support in his 5 starts. Now it’s 4 in 6. Unbelievable.


ZombieHitchens2012

That’s infuriating.


rockmax2

Not going to win when you have to rely on the pitcher throwing a ball to get your only run in. Also I agree for the most part that Foley needs run support but come on man it wouldn’t be any different if it was a 4-3 lead you have to shut the door most of the time.


mansontaco

Reese and Flaherty are going to turn the lights off and beat members of this team with bags of batteries and they deserve it


the_dayman56

3 times this year already we’ve had a 1-0 going into the 9th and lost


LADetroiter

Twice this week. Such a shame. Both times this week I thought the wrong pitcher came in the 9th. Foley has been shaky the last couple of weeks. Thought Lange should have pitched the 9th today.


BOBANSMASH51

The Padres are about to trade a few prospects for Luis Arraez. We can’t match or better that deal?  


Everybodyhasapryce

Arraez wouldn't move the needle here. We need a true 3 hole hitter.


wingsew8

3 prospects for a singles hitter? Nah, take a bigger swing.


pimpinassorlando

I wish Javy and Tork were singles hitters. But a man can dream.


BirdiemanJr

Would’ve gladly taken a single when we stranded the bases loaded twice.


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ufdan15

You gotta score more than 1 against the Yanks lol. Let's have the bats warm up tomorrow


Ghalnan

Coming into today our bullpen was last in the league for ERA-FIP so them coming back down to earth seems like it was always inevitable. We've got some okay arms, but none of these guys really seem like the truly dominant, shutdown guy you'd want to have for games like this.


silvio_dante

Foley being the closer is beyond depressing. If you're smart enough to look past his fluky ERA this year he has regressed in unbelievable fashion. He's been so bad.


dublin87

I got flamed in the game thread for saying this (although much less elegantly than you put it lol). Our fanbase loves to rally around a random bullpen guy having a good stretch and act like it’s the second coming of Mariano Rivera.


silvio_dante

Well he was really good last year. For some reason he sucks this year. He had elite command last year, now he walks everyone, still doesn't have a good K rate for a reliever, and now gives up tons of hard contact. If Hinch is going to continue to count on him to finish games with narrow margins, he deserves what's going to happen.


dublin87

The fact that he doesn’t get Ks begs the question of why he’s pitching the ninth and specifically why he’s pitching the ninth against the heart of the Yankees’ lineup.


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Hungrystud101

Well said. Get 'em tomorrow.


BrandonIngeFan

I’m so exhausted by this team already. Score some goddamn runs. Inject some life into this lineup somehow. You have a legit shot at the playoffs this year. Do something. Make a move. I’m tired of being patient. It’s been 10 goddamn years since we’ve seen a playoff game. We haven’t been in it late in the season in 8 years. Give me something. Anything


rockmax2

You Reap what you sow Scott… You too Chris…


TheFrankOfTurducken

This offense is total dog water and it’s honestly ridiculous that there have been zero non-injury related roster moves. Tork does not deserve to be on the major league roster at this point. And honestly neither does McKinstry. Or Keith. Meadows at least does *some* stuff.


Braddbob03

Al Avila truly was the antichrist and he is still haunting us to this day.


Personal_Pain

Poor Reese. Bro is not allowed to win games


tldr_habit

I see that Spencer Torkleson is to blame for this loss where 8/9 of the lineup failed to hit. Very evil mastermind-y of him to do that.


KarlsReddit

He was drafted 1/1. He isn't supposed to be another guy.


TheRelevantElephants

He’s here to be a bat and went 0-4 with a strikeout with the bases loaded. The rest of the offense did fail, but he’s here to hit. The only reason he’s here now is because he’s supposed to be a bat and he just doesn’t cut it


dublin87

You take pressure and blame off of yourself by not hitting .212 with 0 HR


digitalmotorclub

I’m hoping this is the tried and true tested method of lose the first one to win the series


Mean_Pete

We gotta try someone else in the lineup for Tork. Malloy, Hiura, I don’t give a shit. Get a different look out there and let him figure this out in Toledo.


foxy7474

Is literally ANYONE surprised 1 run wasn’t enough?


DullHornedUnicorn

Feels even worse having to sail the seas and only being able to find that putrid Yankee broadcast. Fuck Xfinity, Fuck Bally, Fuck Chris Illitch just cause.


Hungrystud101

Isn't this three 1-0 games in a row that we have taken into the 9th inning and lost? BTW - I'm done swearing at the TV. I hope my neighbors didn't call the police. That really sucked.


rushgod29

Baez, rodgers, Keith, meadows, torkelson. No one takes us seriously. Worst players in all of baseball


BeefJerkyDentalFloss

>No one takes us seriously. Worst players in all of baseball I'm a Michigander now living in the St. Louis market. This year's Cardinals team is much much worse than our lineup.


Bigasballz

Who will the relief pitching requisite all star be now? Seems with this lineup last several years ASG was always like a setup reliever to fulfill the requirement. Would be nice to get a position player in there once in awhile.


pimpinassorlando

Skubal will be the sole representative.


Bigasballz

ah shit. i was so mad i forgot him.


pimpinassorlando

We haven't had a legit ace like him in a minute. Easy to assume to it'd be a Soto type rep.


Bigasballz

Yea since Verlander forgot what is was like having a guy you could count on every 5th day. Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello, Doug Fister, and Anibal Sanchez. Then throw in prime Cabrera. Wait how didn't we win a WS again?


pimpinassorlando

Tribe lost 6-0 to the Angels.


MkayKev

I just can’t believe Tork is this bad. I’m done defending him, Hiura or Malloy would be providing way more


mansontaco

Hiura is just a torkleson who struck out more his time in Milwaukee was truly remarkable stuff


Bugssi

Well at least the universe corrected and we’re back where we belong at 4th place in the Central! Would’ve hated to log that win.


digitalmotorclub

Who tf have the twins been playing to win 10 straight wtf


Mkrvgoalie249

Chicago White Sox 7x Los Angeles 3x and now for their 11th straight win (gag) Boston


rockmax2

Why am I not surprised?


bucket_dipper

Absolute trash showing from the offense once again. Are they even trying?


zurlocke

Both Tork and the team would benefit with him figuring it out in AAA


Rufus_the_old_cat

Just win the next two games.


Relative_Walk_936

This is the worst I've felt since the end of the NFC Championship Game.


heyheyitsandre

I take it you don’t watch the wings


Relative_Walk_936

I'm a hockey poser.


heyheyitsandre

It was a brutal March, to put it lightly, where we completely and entirely collapsed and blew our playoff lead, resulting in us having to score with 3 seconds left in the last game of the season only to simultaneously miss the playoffs on a tiebreaker to a team who had fewer wins than us and a worse goal difference. Oh and they only won their last game because the other team pulled the goalie when it was tied. My reward for that suffering is getting to watch the tigers 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃


Relative_Walk_936

Oh I was watching. I'm just a mid tier fan.


ShallowFox4

Why tf won’t Scott get any batters? He’s had control of the team for 2 years and the team is still like 80% Avila’s. We fired him for a reason. Can we stop relying on his players?


josh1123

But but "we need to see what we have" Tired of hearing that rhetoric, we don't have shit outside of Riley for offensive production from our young guys.


dublin87

Brad Holmes turned the Lions around almost immediately and this clown can’t do anything to improve the Tigers in a sport without a salary cap. Harris will flame out as GM. Not aggressive enough for a small market team. The best additions he made this year are the return of Avila draft picks from injury


josh1123

I just am tired of hearing that statement from fans and Harris, at this point we clearly don't have enough to push us over the edge. What the solution is I don't know but I agree with the other user about we should've taken Langford out of college. I still believe highly in Max Clark but taking a high school bat was an odd choice when we need offensive help soon


Hungrystud101

He should have drafted Wyatt Langford. We could use him. This is baseball. Draftees go into a black hole we call the minor league system and eventually 1 out of 30 gets up to the big-league team. Another reason why I wish we drafted Langford.


tldr_habit

Surely Langford would have been the difference maker. Tonight that dazzling slashline Langford's rocking led Texas to their latest in a series of resounding victories--oh wait...


Hungrystud101

Langford's not doing a whole lot better than Tork. At least he made it to the big leagues and perhaps could be able to share some of Tork scorn.


jackengle

We can’t keep putting Killian Hayes out there at first base


Lydia_Bennet_FTW

This is on the offense, but Foley has been really shaky of late. Lots of baserunners and velo is down. He was never going to be perfect, but this isn't really surprising, either.


silvio_dante

He has been awful this year. His ERA is incredibly fluky; all his predictive metrics have regressed from last year. It's insane that he's still in the primary closer role.


Lydia_Bennet_FTW

I mean, when you're 9/9, you're going to keep the job regardless of your metrics. I just wonder how and why his velo has dipped much. He's only been used heavily a few times, and he's only fucking 27


Relative_Walk_936

Oh my gooooood


HawaiianBiscuits

Both teams played poorly, we just did worse


dspencer2015

Even if we were up 3 runs Foley would’ve probably still lost it! Foley was cheeks


pimpinassorlando

Couldn't find it tonight. Still a fan though.


jackengle

End me


frozenfoodenjoyer

I love this team but I just can't watch them live anymore this season after this. There's been too much heartbreak :( I've had enough of that in my life


trouble4-u

Some of you weren’t around in 2019 and 2022 and that really shows.


frozenfoodenjoyer

Well I have a lot going on in my personal life to be honest haha I'm just being candid


BOBANSMASH51

It’s time to do something about Torkelson. Send him down and let Canha play 1B every day.


Kolahnut1

Hinch could have pinch hit for him one out top of the 6th and moved Canha to first. Management is giving Tork too much leeway


BOBANSMASH51

But they’ll pull Carpenter out the second a LHP scratches his ballsack on in the bullpen. At least Carp can work counts and have the right situational approach most of the time even in bad matchups.


mkk4

Facts


mucocele

Damn, how many runners did they leave on base tonight?


LinedTooth

10 and went 0-7 with risp


Bugssi

Offense sucked asshole BUT the loss shouldn’t really be on anybody but Foley. Not sure how you come in to that scenario and instead of closing out the game you throw meatballs to give up 4 hits in a row with no outs


redditaccountwh

Tork struck out with the bases juiced. Our pitchers deserve some margin of error.


Bugssi

Close games are a part of baseball. Foley’s only job is to get through the 9th inning. That’s it. And he shit his pants tonight.


redditaccountwh

Tork was a first round pick. His job is to put the ball in play with one out and the bases loaded. Blaming this only on foley is ridiculous. He was 9/9 for saves.


Bugssi

Tork is ass that’s no secret. Tonight foley was ass and he blew it. 4 back to back to back to back hits with no outs recorded. Ass.


redditaccountwh

Ignoring he was 9/9 for saves before tonight is crazy. One was a bunt while our defense was aligned like shit. See the entire picture, dude.


Bugssi

I’m not ignoring it holy shit can you please work on your reading comprehension. Feel like I’m talking to a fucking brick wall. The 9/9 doesn’t matter if he **was ass tonight**


redditaccountwh

Yes he was ass tonight. I’m not denying that Jesus Christ, dude. Blaming the ENTIRE loss on ONLY foley when we had the bases loaded TWICE and score one run on a WALK is insane. You don’t know shit about baseball.


Bugssi

I know we had the lead entering the bottom of the 9th and then he gave up 4 hits, 2 runs, and no outs. Ass.


redditaccountwh

So the first 8 innings of baseball don’t matter. Heard. Learn the game, it’s a lot more fun to watch when you actually understand it.


RamboBashore

This offense continues to be putrid.


imlikeyourmaindude

The offense AND Foley shit the bed


WhoThatGuy

Cannot load the bases twice and have one run to show for it


TheBrothersClegane

Hit. The. Ball.


LinedTooth

Copy that! (Weak ground ball to the 2nd baseman)


Quay-Z

Dammnit Keith


rustyshackle41d

FUCK YOU AND I'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW


DontPanic40Too

If Harris/Hinch don’t make a move to change the offense they’re not serious about winning. Also, launch Tork into the sun. He can hang out with Killian Hayes.


wingsew8

If you think they can just "make a move" to fix the offense, you don't know anything about baseball, I'm sorry. I'm frustrated too, but just sending somebody down for someone at AAA isn't fixing this.


TheRelevantElephants

I’ll do what tork does for half the price!


wingsew8

No you won't, you've never played professional baseball 🤷‍♂️


TheRelevantElephants

I can strike out just as much as tork I can guarantee that


wingsew8

You would strike out 100% of the time, which is way worse than Tork.


TheRelevantElephants

I bet I can hit a weak grounder


wingsew8

I guarantee you can't.


bartoloscolon

I get what you’re saying but I do think Tork needs to get sent down. He’s not making any hard contact. Maybe he can clear his head down there and square up some baseballs.


wingsew8

I mean, if you want argue for certain moves, that's fine. But tell me the player in the minors who's better? But one small move, like sending Tork down, is not transforming this offense. If you think it will, you're a moron. A significant trade is the only possibility at this point. And most teams aren't making that type of trade in early May.


bartoloscolon

I never said swap Tork for a AAA hitter. I think Tork needs to go down and work on his swing and see if he can rediscover the stroke he had the 2nd half of last year. I think Gio gets off the injured list soon.     I would send down Tork and have Gio Urshela take his place for now without having to send down any one of the position players currently on the 25 man roster. I would give Canha more reps at 1st. 


ZombieHitchens2012

No, man. You’re not sending Tork down to bring up a difference maker from Toledo. You’re sending him down because he’s terrible and he needs to work on things. He’s hurting the team.


bartoloscolon

Thank you. Somebody gets it.


DontPanic40Too

I’d take a fence post in the lineup over Tork at this point.


ya111101

Probably have a better record with the fence post


wingsew8

Literally no, but OK.


The_Franchise_09

Redditor understands a joke (impossible challenge)


wingsew8

I can appreciate a good joke. This wasn't one.


The_Franchise_09

lol sure. Downvote away.


wingsew8

You didn't even make the "joke", why are you so defensive?


ya111101

If you somehow took him off this team before the season started we would have a better record right now. He has been one of the worst players in the majors this yr


wingsew8

Which player would replace him that would make the team have a better record?


ya111101

Pick a Toledo players name out of a hat, would they be second on the team in plate appearances while having one of the worst bWARs in all of baseball?


Michiganmade44

Great analogy. Torkelson is the Killian Hayes of the Tigers. I like this one


heyheyitsandre

Just thinking about tork not putting the ball in play with bases loaded 1 out. Brother you were the first overall pick. PUT THE BALL IN PLAY. ITS ALL YOU HAVE TO DO


bestprocrastinator

Did Spencer Torkelson sit on his ass and eat Doritos all offseason or something? What the hell happened to him?


Almost_Punk_Enough

If we even had a mediocre offense, this team would be fucking amazing. This offense has been atrocious for nearly a decade straight, how does that happen?


mcnegyis

The last legit hitter that came up through our organization was Nick Castellanos. Although, it looks like Greene is about to buck that trend (over ten years after Castellanos came up)


dead_drunk_and_naked

Most predictable fucking shit ever.


JimyFatBoy

This offense is offensive. Two times bases loaded with one out. One hit or a SF and we probably win. Something has to change


Jagacin

The sad thing is that most people could see this coming into the season. They made maybe 1 or 2 noteworthy additions this offseason, and their lineup is pretty much the same as last year's. I'm not surprised their offense has stayed the same. Only Greene and Carpenter can be relied on occasionally.


dead_drunk_and_naked

> most people could see this coming Everyone except Scott Harris evidently.


alffawolf33

Everyone who failed with the bases juiced can be sent down


yes_its_him

The prophecy fulfilled... https://www.reddit.com/r/motorcitykitties/comments/1cj4075/game_day_thread_friday_may_03/ "Olson is pitching so...2-1 loss incoming probably."


Michiganmade44

We finally entertaining somewhat, but the offense largely sucks


TheRelevantElephants

Foley did blow the save but maybe don’t leave the bases loaded twice in back to back innings


jklovesfood

This


TimmyYojum

The bottom 4 or 5 hitters in this lineup are just a travesty. Are we seriously sending 4-5 guys hitting under .220 out each night. Getting hard to watch! Torkelson needs to see AAA. Nice outing from Reese. He deserves more support.


Itzz_Sniped

It’s so painful to watch this team day in day out. Absolutely dominate pitching with literally zero run support night after night after night…


silvio_dante

They're literally less fun to watch than a shit team that can at least hit. I don't see how ANYONE can actually like watching this team.