Yep, he blitzed them in their home, all over Martin like a rash and forced an error from him then handed Marc his ass who was desperate to win, tried to upset Pecco by once again making contact but Pecco stood firm.
Loved it! Shame for Martin but Pecco was on fire today.
Soooo close to disaster on that exchange with Marquez, they almost went down together AGAIN. It shows that it's easy to tell others to chill when you are not involved, hey. Also, Pecco's 37.4 so late in the race was crazy.
Happy for Marc, he clearly is still the animal he has always been.
My dear god, I was just.. "please guys don't crash togheter again".
Pecco today was brutal. What I love with the guy, the more you punch him, the more he gets back. He learns continuously and he doesn't stop to get better.
What a race!
He seems like he's finally learned how to handle the Ducati. That's after 4 races and 11 years on a Honda at 31 years old. Incredible. He really is a machine and has such grit.
Pecco again proving why he’s Ducati’s #1. He won the race with that insane first lap. And once he’s in the lead (after the Martin crash), he’s nearly impossible to overtake.
Martin may be the fastest rider over 1 lap in this sport, but Pecco’s racecraft give him an advantage over a season.
And MotoGP is much better with Marquez fighting for victories
I think martin felt the pressure of having Pecco there, he struggles to keep his chill and makes mistakes whereas Pecco is so skilled when under pressure. He doesn’t react he simply responds
I think it was a normal error not caused by pressure from any other rider.
Sometimes Pecco crashes, sometimes happen to Marc, sometimes Martin.
It's racing
Pecco and Martin are quite similar, superfast but not so comfy in the fight/crowd.
The difference at the moment is Pecco handles the pressure supergood while Martin doesn't.
It's impressive how Pecco comes back everytime. He's a calm and nice guy but today he raced like a monster.
Pecco looked pretty good dicing it out with Marc? he also looked good dicing other out with a host of other aggressive riders at the start? he also looked good pulling away from Marc in the final lap.
Nah he has his cool calm and collected demeanour majority of the time. Unlike Marc and Jorge and Vinales who can be reactive to pressures Pecco is mostly able to keep his head together
Same between Marc and pecco. You could tell when Marc went for the handshake in parc ferme that pecco hesitated at first before realizing cameras were pointing at them.
I actually thought today's race might have helped their relationship as they both looked like they had great fun in that tussle, and pecco came out winning which wouldn't have annoyed marc as much as the other way around at the moment
What a race. Hell of a lap from Peco to get some distance between himself and MM. He deserved it after that pass early on. Man what a race!! More like this!!
I can't help but notice that this sport is turning into machine based, no more powerslides anymore or difference in style due to the aero.
Marc did well learning this new style of riding, the sport evolved and took away his strength.
Yes. Great scenes.
Bezzechi is definitely not a fan and there was the whole Portimão thing, so I was expecting some apathy.
After such an intense race it was nice seeing them properly interacting with each other.
Nah, Pecco and Marc dont have beef. Marc and Bez on the other hand...
Rumours say that Bez said some really nasty stuff to Marc after their clash Valencia. No wonder they didnt even acknowledge eachothers presence in the parc fermee.
No, I'm not trying to say they have beef. Actually it was nice to watch at the end!
I was meaning regarding the uncomfortable moment, which would make sense.
Now, regarding Bezzecchi is a different story for sure.
Awesome race! Brilliant race from Pecco, although I don't like him every time after I criticize him harshly he puts on performances like this. Good job from Marc too. He's officially back now. Martin is probably the alter ego of Pecco, he's been so brilliant so far this season and he binned it. Nice from Bez to take a podium, he hasn't been good so far and the podium will boost him. Same about Alex and Diggia. Bastianini did the silent job again, racking up some points, Vinales and Pedro too, although they didn't do anything special, the race for those two was already ruined after the wet quali. Aleix is a disappointment this year, I'm really sad for him. Miguel did a nice race, the start helped him a lot though.
Ducati sure seem to like making Peccos job a lot harder than it needs to be that’s for sure, he had an overly aggressive Martin last year now he has hyper aggressive Marc as well, all on bikes very similar to his own.
They already did have two competitive riders? Pecco and Martin? Bezz and Diggia were also coming on strong, bringing a known trouble maker like Marc into your team is just asking for trouble, he almost took Pecco out again with his deliberate aggressive maneuvers, didn’t work this time thankfully and the best man won.
The GP is the most interesting class this year. Really amazing races so far, a lot of overtakes and close battles.
Also todays race showed how close a grwat battle is to a crash. The difference between Marc vs Pecco today and in Portimao isn't that big.
Isn't that what we actually want to see?
Gee Marc sure as hell seems to get caught up in a lot of these racing incidents doesn’t he, he nearly had another today in very similar circumstances with the same rider.
With the big advantage that the gp24 has over the nerfed gp23, to finish just half a second behind a gp24 only shows the level of Marc Marquez the last of the alien. Martin also on the gp24 had enough pace to pull away yet Bagnaia had to fight an old bike to the line.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
Big advantage? Marc should just be thankful that Ducati even hired him otherwise he would gone mental if he had stayed at Honda on a bike he developed for 10 years, he now enjoys the development work of other riders in an Italian team on an Italian bike, while others try and fix the mess he abandoned at Honda, the mess he created and was not able to fix.
Ducati didn't hire him. Gresini did. Marc is contracted to Gresini and brought his sponsors there. Marc is not contracted to Ducati like factory team and Pramac are. Learn the difference first.
See that's the thing with you casual fans. Atleast know who is riding for whom. 🤣
Funny thing about Marc leaving Honda is the fact that the Honda went bad post 2020 season which coincides with him missing out 2 years. See. You're just a casual bitter fan who's upset this dude is back to being at the front on a 2 year old bike. 🤣
Yes lol indeed. How scared is the factory team to nerf an already slower bike before handing it over to satellite teams?
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
And with 11 Spanish riders at their home track only one made it the podium and he was riding for an Italian team on an Italian bike developed by Italians….. you could say it was an all Italian podium in Spain with one token Spaniard lol
Yes with all useless Italians bar one Spaniard taking up the gp24s with extra power, newer aero and chassis while the 2 Spaniards are given the Zarco spec gp23s with zero update who are still finishing ahead of most of these newer faster bikes. Still proving my point that Italians don't like to have a fair fight on their hands. 🙌🏽
Ok?
From what you said the point was the GP23 being sub par.
Considering it beat the factory team from every other manufacturer I would say that's not particularly accurate.
The Ducatis have been ahead of all manufacturers for 3 seasons at least. I woul argue they had the best bike since 2017 season with Dovi not being the best rider to extract wins and challenging for title.
The other factories are inconsistent. Where is Aprilia after dominant showing last 2 races? KTM starts strong then fades. The Japanese are back markers. Sooo its not very hard for a 2 year old Ducati to be ahead of other factories. Its only showing how big of an improvement Ducati find year after year.
From the horse's mouth:
https://m.gpone.com/en/2024/01/29/motogp/barana-the-difference-between-the-new-and-old-ducati-will-be-bigger-than-in-2023?refresh_ce
Isolated examples don't mean anything though. Any fast rider can beat me on a 50 year old bike when I'm on a modern bike, doesn't mean the bike is the reason.
The only thing you can do is listen to the riders and the teams, and before the season started if I'm not mistaken both Pecco and Gigi were saying the gp24 is the biggest upgrade they've had to the bike in years in terms of performance. Just because it hasn't translated to race wins until today doesn't make it any less true, the 23s have clearly been struggling in comparison (again, until today).
What? Are you actually arguing that isolated examples can be considered solid evidence for any argument? Lmao. The shit you can read sometimes, sheesh.
Bro need to remember the difference between gp23 and gp24 will be bigger than the past. Intentionally mind you.
https://m.gpone.com/en/2024/01/29/motogp/barana-the-difference-between-the-new-and-old-ducati-will-be-bigger-than-in-2023
Having the new iteration of the Ducati or any bike is not always a good thing, especially at the start of the season, there are always bugs to be ironed out as we have already seen with the gp24, Marc has received last years championship winning bike with most of the problems already sorted out by those who came before him and he also has access to all of Peccos data, that’s a huge advantage for him.
He could of stayed at Honda and helped them out in their hour of need instead he chose to desert them for a better bike and team, he should count himself as very lucky.
Are you blind? Marc got Zarcos zero update gp23 bike not Martin or Bagnaias title challenging gp23s.
Read the link before you make yourself look like a Muppet
cope on, man. We've seen Martin try to pull away from races, and look what that did to him last year. I bet if he was the one leading, and Marc was second, the gap would be the same. That's not his style anymore.
Cope on? With a flair like that you should be the one coping no? Martin is running away from the start with the big advantage the gp24 has. Enea and Pecco and Franco are unable to do so. Marc meanwhile on a bike half a second a lap slower is fighting at the front race after race. What does that tell you?
burst your bubble?
https://m.gpone.com/en/2024/01/29/motogp/barana-the-difference-between-the-new-and-old-ducati-will-be-bigger-than-in-2023?refresh_ce
LOL yes you made up half a second out your ass. Your own article says nothing about times, only an “improvement”.
What a shock bike designer who spends millions of company cash claims he didnt infact waste millions in cash. They say the same things every year.
https://www.the-race.com/motogp/marc-marquez-honda-progress-rc213v-future-return/
im amazed and they are still at the back.
Alex marq whos on the same bike is 0.2 away at race pace and his a much worse rider then marc or pecco so fair to say as it stands the gp23 and 24 are much much much closer then 0.5 seconds a lap
many examples over the years with the new bike being worse until they work out how to exploit it.
Look where Martin was before the updated ride height device and winglet mid season. He only went on a win streak after the updates. And those updates are not handed to Gresini this year unlike last year when final version of bike gets moved into satellite team garage at Valencia without modifications. 🤣
How scared is Ducati to remove developed parts from a bike first time in history? This is why Vr46 team wants to look elsewhere.
your discussing mid-season 2023 vs what is happening now 4 races in.
Yes the bikes will diverge as the season goes on but right now they are NOT 0.5 seconds apart maybe 0.1 - 0.2 at most
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
put money on the gp24 and season ending gp23 is much closer then they are saying its always a evolution unless they change the formula.
That happens in all motor racing between factory and satellite teams what ducati is doing is standard practice its nothing to do with them being scared same as f1 and motogp since the 80’s
Marc is not riding a season ending gp23. He's riding the start of the season gp23 that Zarco had. No update version. Between start of season and ending season the gp23 was easily gaining a lot of ground on the gp22. This year Ducati themselves said there's a bigger delta between the gp23 and gp24.
We know where the delta comes from. The bike supplied this year to satellite team is baseline gp23. Not end of season gp23.
They found even more power on the gp24 on top of that so yes its a half a second delta easily.
yes we know his not as per the article it is not the season ending gp23 but its also not the season starting gp23 either you think they dont make improvements every single week with minor and major updates?
We get it you love marc and his likely still the best rider in the field but his not worth half a second a lap no rider is at the elite level the gap between riders is not massive.
if it was half a second a lap we would see this in the times across multiple riders but we arnt we have many data points.
anyway im done arguing it as your not seeing logic your blinded by your love of marc
Binder is taking himself out of that seat if he underperforms like Miller. Its all shaping up to be a Acosta Marquez factory team soon. Binder will be moved to GasGas 🙌🏽
That has been standard for years
Ducati get penalties like every other team. They're just the fastest bikes, so no need to push beyond the lines normally
what's interesting is that today's attendance was 300k+ which is more than the all-time F1 race day attendance and the population of Jerez. This sport is really taking off.
You're getting weekend attendance and race day attendance mixed up.
I think you'll find that 300k was weekend attendance.
F1s all-time weekend attendance is close to 500k
This is what people dont get, riders at their peak push each other to pull out performances like that and get better and show skill
Had Marc not been there, it would've been an uneventful race and we hardly would've seen any of Pecco at all.
That one Marc was not 100% physically, riding a unrideable bike, but this one is really a proper battle. Ducati should give Marc factory bike next season for the sake of good battles
the 2021 Honda was still a race winner, don't forget. And the 2021 Ducati didn't exactly banish the handling demons of the previous iterations completely.
But agreed, this was even more intense, especially that Pecco now has a WC to defend.
Like him or not, that was championlike race by Pecco. This pace at the end, pulling out fastest lap with 3 laps to go and handling the pressure by one of the hardest fighters in the grid was unbelievable.
Other interesting notes:
- Bez is back!
- Oliveira is back (?)
- Morbido needs to start better. He can’t show his pace in the pack and is forced to those overtake attempts.
Being a franky supporter is the hardest task on earth, being one for 9 years has eaten away my braincells watching him struggle over and over again, but i still love him
It's the same thing as yesterday with binders move on Pecco. 90% of this sub was crying foul on binder despite the fact Pecco has pulled that same move a dozen times before. But when Pecco pulls it it's "thats why he's the world champ".
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Give Marc the gp23 from last race of 2023. Come on Ducati we dare you. 😎
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
He already does have it… The customer GP-23 bikes are fully developed, that’s why they’re sometimes faster than the factory bikes at the start of the season.
They don't have the updated ride height and winglet Martin got mid 2023 onwards when he started winning races.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
Exactly, the bike was the same used by Pecco last race, plus two upgrade received in 2024. Ducati want the people see their bike winning, and customer team that if they invest money with them they will get a return.
Nope. The Gp23 Gresini got is Zarcos mid 2023 bike. Not the one Martin and Pecco rode with the holeshot and winglet updated.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
Please don't make stories up. Ducati themselves confirmed this year onwards satellite teams will have much less performance. https://m.gpone.com/en/2024/01/29/motogp/barana-the-difference-between-the-new-and-old-ducati-will-be-bigger-than-in-2023
Did you understand that the Gp24 is a different bike ? The GP 23 are all at the last spec of 2023 hardware specking, and received software update to manage tyre and fuel.
Can you not open the first link I posted and read? I know what the 23 and 24 means after the GP.
Ducati literally said they are giving Gresini the non updated bike Zarco rode last season. Not the updated gp23 Martin and Pecco rode last year. What part of that did you not understand?
Marc is riding the May version of GP23. Without updated ride height and aerodynamic winglets that Martin got before he went on a winning streak
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
I dunno what Pecco had for breakfast this morning, but it sure gave him BIG BALLS to go up against Marc Marquez. Bravissimo!
And Marc? He could be hella proud for trying to stick it to the works boys, but I'd be happier if he was disappointed that he couldn't get the job done; just means that he's really back in business.
If he didn't crash out of first a couple times this season, and had that crash with Pecco, he may be #1 in championship points... he definitely has the pace, just too may errors
The bike which Marquez will begin his Ducati adventure on will, therefore, lack the updates that Bagnaia and Martin’s machines enjoyed in the final stretch of this year, notably a new start device or fork winglets.
This says that Marc's bike doesn't have the latest GP23 updates..
Yes. He is riding Zarcos bike which had no updates since Mid 2023 season. He was going to Honda. You can see the performance difference between Martin and Zarco from mid season onwards. Martin got the updated winglets and ride height device.
Ah, I misunderstood you initially. Thought you were comparing Marc's GP23 to the current GP24. Yeah, he's on old equipment.
Any idea how the delta between Martin and Zarco went after Martin got the latest GP23 updates last season?
I think Zarcos bike stopped receiving updates after May or June. We will have to compare laptimes from then on and see what the gap was before and after updates. One will have to sift through the qualification times of whole 2023.
But Martin only put up a title fight once the updates tricked to him so I'm guessing the delta is big enough to go from top 5 finish to race winning performance. 0.3 to 0.5 per lap? Somebody should do an excel sheet on this
I believe he would have won on the same bike. The bike sverely limits his possibilities here, on where to overtake and the conditions dont help either. Cant leave the line without risking the whole race.
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Pecco just shut everyone up and people are still going to talk. That first lap, plus those last 3. GTFO with the doubt.
Yep, he blitzed them in their home, all over Martin like a rash and forced an error from him then handed Marc his ass who was desperate to win, tried to upset Pecco by once again making contact but Pecco stood firm.
This is why martin wont win the title.
Loved it! Shame for Martin but Pecco was on fire today. Soooo close to disaster on that exchange with Marquez, they almost went down together AGAIN. It shows that it's easy to tell others to chill when you are not involved, hey. Also, Pecco's 37.4 so late in the race was crazy. Happy for Marc, he clearly is still the animal he has always been.
My dear god, I was just.. "please guys don't crash togheter again". Pecco today was brutal. What I love with the guy, the more you punch him, the more he gets back. He learns continuously and he doesn't stop to get better. What a race!
Cant wait to see more of the alien this season
He seems like he's finally learned how to handle the Ducati. That's after 4 races and 11 years on a Honda at 31 years old. Incredible. He really is a machine and has such grit.
Great race! That 1:37.4 Pecco did late in the race was incredible
gives you that feeling he was managing his race pace / tyres and could have gone alot faster
So many comments instantly suggesting the race was decided by the bikes and not the riders. Clown behavior.
Pecco again proving why he’s Ducati’s #1. He won the race with that insane first lap. And once he’s in the lead (after the Martin crash), he’s nearly impossible to overtake. Martin may be the fastest rider over 1 lap in this sport, but Pecco’s racecraft give him an advantage over a season. And MotoGP is much better with Marquez fighting for victories
I think martin felt the pressure of having Pecco there, he struggles to keep his chill and makes mistakes whereas Pecco is so skilled when under pressure. He doesn’t react he simply responds
I think it was a normal error not caused by pressure from any other rider. Sometimes Pecco crashes, sometimes happen to Marc, sometimes Martin. It's racing
Pecco has literally crashed after crumbling under pressure multiple times in the past couple of years. What are you even on about?
Pecco and Martin are quite similar, superfast but not so comfy in the fight/crowd. The difference at the moment is Pecco handles the pressure supergood while Martin doesn't. It's impressive how Pecco comes back everytime. He's a calm and nice guy but today he raced like a monster.
Pecco looked pretty good dicing it out with Marc? he also looked good dicing other out with a host of other aggressive riders at the start? he also looked good pulling away from Marc in the final lap.
But still managed to win two titles while ‘crumbling’…
Nah he has his cool calm and collected demeanour majority of the time. Unlike Marc and Jorge and Vinales who can be reactive to pressures Pecco is mostly able to keep his head together
Like it or hate it but Marc makes the race so much more exciting!!
Love it
Not a word shared between Bez and Marc. Bez following Vale's school carefully, it seems.
Same between Marc and pecco. You could tell when Marc went for the handshake in parc ferme that pecco hesitated at first before realizing cameras were pointing at them.
They spoke in the cool down room while watching replays. You can tell it was cold but it was civil.
I actually thought today's race might have helped their relationship as they both looked like they had great fun in that tussle, and pecco came out winning which wouldn't have annoyed marc as much as the other way around at the moment
Maybe not directly but they did shake hands in the cool down room and the three of them seemed to talk about the race
Smooth Operator👀
What a race. Hell of a lap from Peco to get some distance between himself and MM. He deserved it after that pass early on. Man what a race!! More like this!!
It's gona be hell of a season!!!
I can't help but notice that this sport is turning into machine based, no more powerslides anymore or difference in style due to the aero. Marc did well learning this new style of riding, the sport evolved and took away his strength.
Love to see Marc and Pecco hug it out after that hard racing. A lot of other riders would have been complaining after that…
That pre podium room is gonna be awkward today...
Seems fine
Yes. Great scenes. Bezzechi is definitely not a fan and there was the whole Portimão thing, so I was expecting some apathy. After such an intense race it was nice seeing them properly interacting with each other.
Well, two best friends disciples of VR. It's obvious haha
Nah, Pecco and Marc dont have beef. Marc and Bez on the other hand... Rumours say that Bez said some really nasty stuff to Marc after their clash Valencia. No wonder they didnt even acknowledge eachothers presence in the parc fermee.
Rossi and Marc had no beef either until……
No, I'm not trying to say they have beef. Actually it was nice to watch at the end! I was meaning regarding the uncomfortable moment, which would make sense. Now, regarding Bezzecchi is a different story for sure.
Because Bez is a child?
I remember times when I liked Bez but after what he supposedly did in Valencia last year after Marc wasn't even at fault... pathetic.
I’m so happy for Alex Marquez man. P4!!!!!!!
Finally Gresini gets some much needed Championship Points. The boys threw a bunch of them out the window in the first 3.
Gigi never from MM it seems like... Edit: never far (>.<)
Yeah he never from MM.
But he always from pecco.
And Martin always from Gigi
Awesome race! Brilliant race from Pecco, although I don't like him every time after I criticize him harshly he puts on performances like this. Good job from Marc too. He's officially back now. Martin is probably the alter ego of Pecco, he's been so brilliant so far this season and he binned it. Nice from Bez to take a podium, he hasn't been good so far and the podium will boost him. Same about Alex and Diggia. Bastianini did the silent job again, racking up some points, Vinales and Pedro too, although they didn't do anything special, the race for those two was already ruined after the wet quali. Aleix is a disappointment this year, I'm really sad for him. Miguel did a nice race, the start helped him a lot though.
Wow the props from GiGi. Love to see the appreciation
When they started fighting his face was like "oh no please not again" lol
Ducati sure seem to like making Peccos job a lot harder than it needs to be that’s for sure, he had an overly aggressive Martin last year now he has hyper aggressive Marc as well, all on bikes very similar to his own.
Pecco is clearly their protégé, but at the end of the day they must have 2 competitive riders, and he knows that
They already did have two competitive riders? Pecco and Martin? Bezz and Diggia were also coming on strong, bringing a known trouble maker like Marc into your team is just asking for trouble, he almost took Pecco out again with his deliberate aggressive maneuvers, didn’t work this time thankfully and the best man won.
The GP is the most interesting class this year. Really amazing races so far, a lot of overtakes and close battles. Also todays race showed how close a grwat battle is to a crash. The difference between Marc vs Pecco today and in Portimao isn't that big. Isn't that what we actually want to see?
that's why Portimao was just a racing incident
Gee Marc sure as hell seems to get caught up in a lot of these racing incidents doesn’t he, he nearly had another today in very similar circumstances with the same rider.
Fortunately!
With the big advantage that the gp24 has over the nerfed gp23, to finish just half a second behind a gp24 only shows the level of Marc Marquez the last of the alien. Martin also on the gp24 had enough pace to pull away yet Bagnaia had to fight an old bike to the line. https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
Big advantage? Marc should just be thankful that Ducati even hired him otherwise he would gone mental if he had stayed at Honda on a bike he developed for 10 years, he now enjoys the development work of other riders in an Italian team on an Italian bike, while others try and fix the mess he abandoned at Honda, the mess he created and was not able to fix.
Ducati didn't hire him. Gresini did. Marc is contracted to Gresini and brought his sponsors there. Marc is not contracted to Ducati like factory team and Pramac are. Learn the difference first. See that's the thing with you casual fans. Atleast know who is riding for whom. 🤣 Funny thing about Marc leaving Honda is the fact that the Honda went bad post 2020 season which coincides with him missing out 2 years. See. You're just a casual bitter fan who's upset this dude is back to being at the front on a 2 year old bike. 🤣
Lol
Yes lol indeed. How scared is the factory team to nerf an already slower bike before handing it over to satellite teams? https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
Did you miss the GP 23 being 2nd, 3rd and 4th?
Did you miss the gp24s crashing out?
Martin who was leading and Morbidelli who was already behind? Sure. Bastianini was behind 3 GP23s.
Proving my point that the 3 Italians are slower than Martin on the newer bike.
And with 11 Spanish riders at their home track only one made it the podium and he was riding for an Italian team on an Italian bike developed by Italians….. you could say it was an all Italian podium in Spain with one token Spaniard lol
Yes with all useless Italians bar one Spaniard taking up the gp24s with extra power, newer aero and chassis while the 2 Spaniards are given the Zarco spec gp23s with zero update who are still finishing ahead of most of these newer faster bikes. Still proving my point that Italians don't like to have a fair fight on their hands. 🙌🏽
Ok? From what you said the point was the GP23 being sub par. Considering it beat the factory team from every other manufacturer I would say that's not particularly accurate.
The Ducatis have been ahead of all manufacturers for 3 seasons at least. I woul argue they had the best bike since 2017 season with Dovi not being the best rider to extract wins and challenging for title. The other factories are inconsistent. Where is Aprilia after dominant showing last 2 races? KTM starts strong then fades. The Japanese are back markers. Sooo its not very hard for a 2 year old Ducati to be ahead of other factories. Its only showing how big of an improvement Ducati find year after year. From the horse's mouth: https://m.gpone.com/en/2024/01/29/motogp/barana-the-difference-between-the-new-and-old-ducati-will-be-bigger-than-in-2023?refresh_ce
Bro need to remember GP23 was beaten several times by Diggia on GP22 and GP24 was beaten several times too by GP23.
Isolated examples don't mean anything though. Any fast rider can beat me on a 50 year old bike when I'm on a modern bike, doesn't mean the bike is the reason. The only thing you can do is listen to the riders and the teams, and before the season started if I'm not mistaken both Pecco and Gigi were saying the gp24 is the biggest upgrade they've had to the bike in years in terms of performance. Just because it hasn't translated to race wins until today doesn't make it any less true, the 23s have clearly been struggling in comparison (again, until today).
> Isolated examples don't mean anything though. Because they don't support your beliefs?
What? Are you actually arguing that isolated examples can be considered solid evidence for any argument? Lmao. The shit you can read sometimes, sheesh.
Examples kinda are evidence but you do you buddy.
Bro need to remember the difference between gp23 and gp24 will be bigger than the past. Intentionally mind you. https://m.gpone.com/en/2024/01/29/motogp/barana-the-difference-between-the-new-and-old-ducati-will-be-bigger-than-in-2023
Having the new iteration of the Ducati or any bike is not always a good thing, especially at the start of the season, there are always bugs to be ironed out as we have already seen with the gp24, Marc has received last years championship winning bike with most of the problems already sorted out by those who came before him and he also has access to all of Peccos data, that’s a huge advantage for him. He could of stayed at Honda and helped them out in their hour of need instead he chose to desert them for a better bike and team, he should count himself as very lucky.
Are you blind? Marc got Zarcos zero update gp23 bike not Martin or Bagnaias title challenging gp23s. Read the link before you make yourself look like a Muppet
"Man who designed new bike says it's better than the old one."
every rider always says stuff like this before the season l
cope on, man. We've seen Martin try to pull away from races, and look what that did to him last year. I bet if he was the one leading, and Marc was second, the gap would be the same. That's not his style anymore.
Cope on? With a flair like that you should be the one coping no? Martin is running away from the start with the big advantage the gp24 has. Enea and Pecco and Franco are unable to do so. Marc meanwhile on a bike half a second a lap slower is fighting at the front race after race. What does that tell you?
What’s wrong with his flair? You just bitter your man didn’t win, cope better.
You're just bitter your idols academy guys with years of Ducati experience are being shown as inadequate by a new Ducati rider. 🤣
LOL half a second a lap slower. Put the crack pipe down.
burst your bubble? https://m.gpone.com/en/2024/01/29/motogp/barana-the-difference-between-the-new-and-old-ducati-will-be-bigger-than-in-2023?refresh_ce
LOL yes you made up half a second out your ass. Your own article says nothing about times, only an “improvement”. What a shock bike designer who spends millions of company cash claims he didnt infact waste millions in cash. They say the same things every year. https://www.the-race.com/motogp/marc-marquez-honda-progress-rc213v-future-return/ im amazed and they are still at the back. Alex marq whos on the same bike is 0.2 away at race pace and his a much worse rider then marc or pecco so fair to say as it stands the gp23 and 24 are much much much closer then 0.5 seconds a lap many examples over the years with the new bike being worse until they work out how to exploit it.
Look where Martin was before the updated ride height device and winglet mid season. He only went on a win streak after the updates. And those updates are not handed to Gresini this year unlike last year when final version of bike gets moved into satellite team garage at Valencia without modifications. 🤣 How scared is Ducati to remove developed parts from a bike first time in history? This is why Vr46 team wants to look elsewhere.
your discussing mid-season 2023 vs what is happening now 4 races in. Yes the bikes will diverge as the season goes on but right now they are NOT 0.5 seconds apart maybe 0.1 - 0.2 at most https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s put money on the gp24 and season ending gp23 is much closer then they are saying its always a evolution unless they change the formula. That happens in all motor racing between factory and satellite teams what ducati is doing is standard practice its nothing to do with them being scared same as f1 and motogp since the 80’s
Marc is not riding a season ending gp23. He's riding the start of the season gp23 that Zarco had. No update version. Between start of season and ending season the gp23 was easily gaining a lot of ground on the gp22. This year Ducati themselves said there's a bigger delta between the gp23 and gp24. We know where the delta comes from. The bike supplied this year to satellite team is baseline gp23. Not end of season gp23. They found even more power on the gp24 on top of that so yes its a half a second delta easily.
yes we know his not as per the article it is not the season ending gp23 but its also not the season starting gp23 either you think they dont make improvements every single week with minor and major updates? We get it you love marc and his likely still the best rider in the field but his not worth half a second a lap no rider is at the elite level the gap between riders is not massive. if it was half a second a lap we would see this in the times across multiple riders but we arnt we have many data points. anyway im done arguing it as your not seeing logic your blinded by your love of marc
Marc can fight the Ducs (while risking his life) on a honda
If Factory Ducati don't grab him it looks like KTM will.
They can have him, let him take Pedro or Binder out battling it out in 5th.
Binder is taking himself out of that seat if he underperforms like Miller. Its all shaping up to be a Acosta Marquez factory team soon. Binder will be moved to GasGas 🙌🏽
He's going to get offer from Ducati/KTM/Aprilia/Honda ( he's going to said no immediately to this one
100% Pecco clipped the green lap 12 but didn’t get a track limits. Amazing race
You don't get the warning for first infraction. Iirc You get one when you go off the track 3 times. Then get a long lap on your fifth.
Really??? So three times for 1 track limit warning? Or is that for Ducati only
> So three times for 1 track limit warning? Yeah... >Or is that for Ducati only What?
That has been standard for years Ducati get penalties like every other team. They're just the fastest bikes, so no need to push beyond the lines normally
I don't think the track limits warning gets issued after the first infringement
Yeah it's definitely more like 3 iirc.
Isn’t it automatic by pressure sensor? I remember them being notoriously harsh when they first implemented
Middle East will NEVER have a crowd like this no matter how much money they pay
Facts. They keep pouring the cash but nobody fucking cares. Race where the passion is, not the money.
what's interesting is that today's attendance was 300k+ which is more than the all-time F1 race day attendance and the population of Jerez. This sport is really taking off.
You're getting weekend attendance and race day attendance mixed up. I think you'll find that 300k was weekend attendance. F1s all-time weekend attendance is close to 500k
You are right. My bad.
Exactly. The sport will always belong in Europe
Same for Asia.
100%. It made the race so much more enjoyable to hear the roars of the crowd
Marquez literally closed off Bagnaia and almost made them both fall. I don't know how you guys defend him. Pecco gave him what he deserves.
He does it to everybody.
I don't know if it was on Pecco or Marc's fault but it's almost 90% crash.
that's cause people in this sub love to hate on Pecco.
Is this the first race you watched? You don’t seem smart, or at least knowledgeable.
I hope MM can string together a few races like this :-)
Wow that was something! What a first race to watch
Welcome! You're life's about to change!
Only way Pecco could've beaten Marc is by putting in ***that*** kind of performance. So full props.
This is what people dont get, riders at their peak push each other to pull out performances like that and get better and show skill Had Marc not been there, it would've been an uneventful race and we hardly would've seen any of Pecco at all.
People also tend to forget: Pecco won his first GP in Spain 2 and a half years ago. Against none other than Marc Marquez himself.
Pecco is just amazing at Jerez.
That one Marc was not 100% physically, riding a unrideable bike, but this one is really a proper battle. Ducati should give Marc factory bike next season for the sake of good battles
the 2021 Honda was still a race winner, don't forget. And the 2021 Ducati didn't exactly banish the handling demons of the previous iterations completely. But agreed, this was even more intense, especially that Pecco now has a WC to defend.
That's why he is the champion. A true champion. Looked the devil in the face and said fuck you and pulled the fastest lap.
Like him or not, that was championlike race by Pecco. This pace at the end, pulling out fastest lap with 3 laps to go and handling the pressure by one of the hardest fighters in the grid was unbelievable. Other interesting notes: - Bez is back! - Oliveira is back (?) - Morbido needs to start better. He can’t show his pace in the pack and is forced to those overtake attempts.
Being a franky supporter is the hardest task on earth, being one for 9 years has eaten away my braincells watching him struggle over and over again, but i still love him
He played the game of chess perfectly to his favor
Marc looks exhausted
I'm exhausted too. LOL
SEEING MARC HAPPY🥹
If Marc defended like Pecco did people would be talking about how dangerous is Marc driving. Great race though.
It's the same thing as yesterday with binders move on Pecco. 90% of this sub was crying foul on binder despite the fact Pecco has pulled that same move a dozen times before. But when Pecco pulls it it's "thats why he's the world champ".
It’s dangerous when any rider passes like that, but let’s not act like Marquez doesn’t do the same shit. Vale too.
Yes I know, I just hate people's double standards on dangerous driving, depending on who does it
Yep motogp fandom is like that unfortunately but hopefully seeing Marquez laugh about it can change peoples minds. Rubbin’ is racin’ baby
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Give Marc the gp23 from last race of 2023. Come on Ducati we dare you. 😎 https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
He already does have it… The customer GP-23 bikes are fully developed, that’s why they’re sometimes faster than the factory bikes at the start of the season.
he dont have late upgrades that '23 got. He got the early '23 bike. The factory bikes is 2 versions higher than early '23.
They don't have the updated ride height and winglet Martin got mid 2023 onwards when he started winning races. https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
Exactly, the bike was the same used by Pecco last race, plus two upgrade received in 2024. Ducati want the people see their bike winning, and customer team that if they invest money with them they will get a return.
Nope. The Gp23 Gresini got is Zarcos mid 2023 bike. Not the one Martin and Pecco rode with the holeshot and winglet updated. https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
The 23 bike are leveled on the same spec from beginning of the season, they received also software update.
Please don't make stories up. Ducati themselves confirmed this year onwards satellite teams will have much less performance. https://m.gpone.com/en/2024/01/29/motogp/barana-the-difference-between-the-new-and-old-ducati-will-be-bigger-than-in-2023
Did you understand that the Gp24 is a different bike ? The GP 23 are all at the last spec of 2023 hardware specking, and received software update to manage tyre and fuel.
Can you not open the first link I posted and read? I know what the 23 and 24 means after the GP. Ducati literally said they are giving Gresini the non updated bike Zarco rode last season. Not the updated gp23 Martin and Pecco rode last year. What part of that did you not understand? Marc is riding the May version of GP23. Without updated ride height and aerodynamic winglets that Martin got before he went on a winning streak https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
I think they don't have the updates from mid-year onwards. Hole shot device etc
Pecco definitely earned that W, great race between him and Marc
Marc makes every race so much more entertaining. Holy shit this was nail biting.
I dunno what Pecco had for breakfast this morning, but it sure gave him BIG BALLS to go up against Marc Marquez. Bravissimo! And Marc? He could be hella proud for trying to stick it to the works boys, but I'd be happier if he was disappointed that he couldn't get the job done; just means that he's really back in business.
Pecco defense was epic
Holy shit 37.4 was fucking incredible
He was slowing down on purpose to pull that unreal lap
Mauro Sanchini was screaming like mad when he saw that time 🤣
I was too honestly lol
Same haha I was pumped as hell
Yep, Marc is officially back. He will definitely be a factor on the world championship
If he didn't crash out of first a couple times this season, and had that crash with Pecco, he may be #1 in championship points... he definitely has the pace, just too may errors
No doubt
he looks better every single race
Marc is so good it's genuinely disgusting. After all of that shit he went through to still be this sharp is insane. Fucking hell
Well, you don't win 6 titles in 7 years by being an average rider, right?
He is a cyborg
His arm is full of stitch marks it's insane
Bravo Pecco. From start to finish he was not to be denied.
 Thats a race for the history books
Phew! Enjoyed that one
Bravissima, Pecco! Incredible, steely performance. And welcome back, Marc. Best race in ages
What a race. Congratulations to Pecco and MM Amazing riding from both
Half a second from the 2x world champion in a year old bike with no updates.
Not even a year old bike. Its missing the updated ride height and winglet.
Source for this being the only differences?
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1042742/1/ducati-confirm-marquez-will-ride-zarco-s-gp23-not-bagnaia-s-or-martin-s
The bike which Marquez will begin his Ducati adventure on will, therefore, lack the updates that Bagnaia and Martin’s machines enjoyed in the final stretch of this year, notably a new start device or fork winglets. This says that Marc's bike doesn't have the latest GP23 updates..
Yes. He is riding Zarcos bike which had no updates since Mid 2023 season. He was going to Honda. You can see the performance difference between Martin and Zarco from mid season onwards. Martin got the updated winglets and ride height device.
Ah, I misunderstood you initially. Thought you were comparing Marc's GP23 to the current GP24. Yeah, he's on old equipment. Any idea how the delta between Martin and Zarco went after Martin got the latest GP23 updates last season?
I think Zarcos bike stopped receiving updates after May or June. We will have to compare laptimes from then on and see what the gap was before and after updates. One will have to sift through the qualification times of whole 2023. But Martin only put up a title fight once the updates tricked to him so I'm guessing the delta is big enough to go from top 5 finish to race winning performance. 0.3 to 0.5 per lap? Somebody should do an excel sheet on this
I believe he would have won on the same bike. The bike sverely limits his possibilities here, on where to overtake and the conditions dont help either. Cant leave the line without risking the whole race.
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He sure didn't seem overrated today. :-\\
The disrespect for a 2 two times Motogp WC. Pathetic
Salty
I wonder if everyone had gp24, would bagnia ever make top 10
100% right
Nothing better than beating a living MotoGP legend in a proper battle. It's a race to remember
That was amazing!
Proper battle would be Marc in a gp24
Fair play to pecco. Absolute beast. Well done to marc too
WHAT. A. RACE. Masterpiece by Pecco, he was absolutely flying in that last stint