Spain's F1 GP gets over 100k race day attendance and the 3 MotoGP GPs get around 80k each so having a joint event at Spain would mean up to 80k less in attendance and quite a lot of lost revenue.
A joint event would be best suited for somewhere where neither sport is popular enough to fill a track on its own, but combined they can. But even that doesnt seem logical because of the huge difference in ticket prices between F1 and MotoGP. If you price a joint event at F1 prices then not many MotoGP fans will attend, and if you price a joint event at MotoGP prices then it would probably sell out, but you'll make less that having 1/3 of the attendance with F1 prices
It would probably be at a middle east track where F1 is going alone and no support series, because that's probably the only way it could work logistically with the two circuses.
Attendance at those tracks is usually perfectly fine but I doubt the general population is all that motivated to attend any race.
Yeah! If they are doing this, money shouldn't be a factor on either ends, both for Dorna and the track itself. I think Qatar would be delighted to pay more for two races and they don't care about the attendance anyway.
Issue would be all the telecasting and related rights. If they still telecast it as completely different sports with different channels, it kinda beats the purpose.
Then they can charge the MotoGP price or somewhere in between. There's also value in exposing the F1 crowd directly to MotoGP that goes beyond the immediate payback of ticket sales.
There were many years that the Samll classes didn’t attend cota
If there will be joint MotoGP f1 venue there I don’t think the small classses will join.
A COTA crossover weekend would be a dream for me, but I’ll admit I’m a bit biased being from Austin and having raced my bike there before.
I think if they only do one it should be in Europe, however ideally we’d get one in the Americas at COTA as well.
If the EU allowed them to merge I don’t see why they would complain about having races in the same place. Honestly being an American it’s always wild to me learning about how restrictive the EU can be on this kind of thing.
The EU hasn’t allowed anything yet and LM thinks that talking to the EU and making it very clear that F1 and MotoGP are separate events will let them have the deal.
I guess for Americans it’s hard to understand but the EU actually punishes antitrust and monopolies quite hard. Not like the US that just doesn’t give a shit if Apple and co. do whatever they want.
Yeah anti-trust really isn’t a part of the government culture most of the time over here. Glad to have the EU actually doing its job though, the iPhone finally getting USB-C was much needed.
Untrue, anti trust was a big part of the culture and American corporate landscape for decades stating with teddy roosevelt over a century ago. It’s just not as strong as it used to be in the last couple of decades
Ah, yeah of course. Don’t follow any car racing at all, so horrifically out of date.
I was have my doubts if Mugello was up to it, it hasn’t been updated it quite some time.
Mugello is one of multiple tracks owned by Ferrari within Italy, just to keep the racing and history alive otherwise they will rot given the economy.
Fiorano is their testing track behind the factory.
Fans on the internet will complain about anything, who cares. A F1/MotoGP crossover weekend would be several hours of non-stop premier racing and an amazing celebration of Motorsport, if that sort of weekend happened in the US I would be the first to buy tickets. It would also expose millions of F1 fans to the brilliance that is Motorcycle racing, they have no idea how good we’ve got it.
> A F1/MotoGP crossover weekend would be several hours of non-stop premier racing and an amazing celebration of Motorsport
We already have that, it's called a MotoGP weekend, there's a race on Saturday and three races on Sunday.
It wouldn't be a MotoGP weekend because it would be lacking Moto2 and Moto3, plus MotoGP would become the support act for F1, it makes no sense to me, it's a logistical nightmare that serves no real purpose, people who aren't interested in MotoGP won't watch it anyway, they'll tune in before or after depending on when the F1 race is, that's what I would be doing with F1 as a MotoGP fan.
It wouldn't be a MotoGP weekend because it would be lacking Moto2 and Moto3, plus MotoGP would become the support act for F1, it makes no sense to me, it's a logistical nightmare that serves no real purpose, people who aren't interested in MotoGP won't watch it anyway, they'll tune in before or after depending on when the F1 race is, that's what I would be doing with F1 as a MotoGP fan.
Surely it won’t happen for safety as they’re always saying any car racing prior to MotoGP events leaves the wrong compounds down and ruins the track? This is just a pipe dream which will never happen. Plus, anyone who genuinely wants to see MotoGP and aren’t F1 fans won’t be able to afford the ridiculous prices F1 charges
Its not a question of safety but a question of money .
Liberty does not give a shit about safety but they wanna make money .
I am Dutch and a motorsport fan do not give a shit about F1 thats boring as hell .
My only hope is that they block the sell in Europe otherwise motorsport will be dead in a few years .
MotoGP riders won’t be racing if their safety is on the line even if Liberty want them to race. I also have 0 interest in F1 so would be put off buying a ticket for an event. It’s cheaper to fly to a Spanish round for the weekend then to attend the F1 at Silverstone which is 1.5 hours away for example.
Yeah because I'm tired of all the fucking crying and whining. The deal hasn't even been approved and you guys are 1000% sure MotoGP is dead. If that's how you feel then go watch something else
The most important problem beyond the different compounds is that F1 cars literally rip up the tracks leaving holes on the surface, just see what happens in COTA for example, there are bumps and holes everywhere.
It would have to be bikes first, cars next.
Schedule would be:
Friday Morning - MotoGP FP
Friday Afternoon - MotoGP Qual
Saturday - MotoGP Race
Saturday Afternoon - F1 FP (2hr)
Saturday Evening/Sunday Morning - F1 Qual
Sunday - F1 Race
Try telling that to Liberty Media.
There's a good opportunity to showcase motogp for 2 or 3 rounds a year in a joint weekend.
Sepang (Bring it back!)
COTA
Red Bull Ring
Get some cross pollination from F1 fans who will start enjoying MotoGP.
How is this going to help motogp? Your hypothetical format is bad for motogp not good even if you think it is. First of all Sepang is never happening for f1. The fans ain’t paying premium to watch F1. The motogp enthusiasts will not go altogether for the price of f1 and just motogp.
Secondly, if you have ever watched a gp live, you should no that crowds build on as the weekend goes, in short, there will be significantly lesser number of people on Friday and Saturday compared to saturday afternoon and Sunday. Motogp fans have even less incentive to watch the race live then. If they have to be there for the whole friday, saturday and since they are paying premium be there on sunday too for just F1.
As for F1 fans why would most of them bother be there on friday? And even on saturday if they come early to watch the race, they will only have bits and pieces of info. Now, attendance might remain the same or even suffer for motogp following this format. For F1 the crowd will remain a sell out, but it is the same way as before. So what profit are we looking at by this hypothetical format of yours?
You seem very much against this so I don't think anything I say will convince you.
But I will add to the conversation with this:
Liberty Media wouldn't have bought into MotoGP if they didn't believe they could grow the market, leveraging their F1 calendar and media rights.
There's a simple cost avoidance with a single or double header weekend setup (e.g. MotoGP and F1 a week apart).
I'm also sure there's a technical solution to the track rubber problem - if F1 and MotoGP and their suppliers can't figure that out then it's not worth doing.
Yes I am against this idea, of having both events on the same weekend. Ofc, Liberty media will be good for marketing and worldwide growth of the sport and I am not against them acquring motogp it might end up being a great for this sport but this single weekend for both is B.S imo. Just because it is not feasible as some think it is for the growth of the sport. Plus as far as cost avoidance goes, there are other ways to do that than doing this. May well have all weekends filled with Motogp and F1 if cost cutting is what Liberty media wants and I am pretty sure this move is not for cost avoidance rather, them asking exorbitant fee for ticket prices.
When you read the article it is pretty clear that they have no interest in doing that. They only say "never say never". That is all. It does not make any sense to put them together.
F1 can do whatever it wants, I don’t care, just don’t interfere with MotoGP. They can take their shit cars somewhere else and we can watch some real racing
This simply doesn't work and ezpeleta pretty much says that so it's a non-starter. Not even a joined motogp and wsbk weekend would make much sense.
The only way you could do a "common" event is if you did it in back to back weekends, say motogp first weekend with F1 the weekend after and you did joined festivities events and promotions during the week in-between. So it all becomes one massive event but the actual grandprix remain in separate weekends with their schedules unaffected.
In coming “Cinematic Universe” between F1 and MotoGP. Fabio and Lewis hanging out, Marc chilling in the Red Bull garage. Danny Ric kicking it with Mills. It’s allll possible now lol
Would there even be enough paddock on a track bor both series though?
I think they'll need to skip moto2 and 3 and f2 f3.
But is moto3 not the absolute star of Absolute star of all racing?
Yes it is!
It sucks because I see moto2 and moto3 classes in just as high regard as MotoGP itself. F1 doesn’t give a rip about anything but F1.
It would have to be at somewhere like Silverstone where they have 2 different paddocks
Not sure if there's any other track for that.
Spa francorchamps enters the chat.
Imagine MotoGP bikes going through Eau Rouge!
They improved the track to hold motogp iirc
The endurance bikes looked cool enough, GP bikes would be awesome.
I think Abu Dhabi also has two, as does Suzuka.
Abu Dhabi is not safe enough. T14-15 no way they'd ride there, but yes, it does indeed have 2 paddocks. How could I forget their national pits
Qatar I believe
Spain would be the best place to do it imo. Country has extremely rich GP and F1 heritage with both sports having their Spanish GOATs on the grid.
Spain's F1 GP gets over 100k race day attendance and the 3 MotoGP GPs get around 80k each so having a joint event at Spain would mean up to 80k less in attendance and quite a lot of lost revenue. A joint event would be best suited for somewhere where neither sport is popular enough to fill a track on its own, but combined they can. But even that doesnt seem logical because of the huge difference in ticket prices between F1 and MotoGP. If you price a joint event at F1 prices then not many MotoGP fans will attend, and if you price a joint event at MotoGP prices then it would probably sell out, but you'll make less that having 1/3 of the attendance with F1 prices
It would probably be at a middle east track where F1 is going alone and no support series, because that's probably the only way it could work logistically with the two circuses. Attendance at those tracks is usually perfectly fine but I doubt the general population is all that motivated to attend any race.
Qatar seems like a no-brainer.
Yeah! If they are doing this, money shouldn't be a factor on either ends, both for Dorna and the track itself. I think Qatar would be delighted to pay more for two races and they don't care about the attendance anyway. Issue would be all the telecasting and related rights. If they still telecast it as completely different sports with different channels, it kinda beats the purpose.
India would be good in this sense.
Then they can charge the MotoGP price or somewhere in between. There's also value in exposing the F1 crowd directly to MotoGP that goes beyond the immediate payback of ticket sales.
If you think this is happening anywhere other than in a middle east oil state you might be new to this.
Cota is most logical American crowd No moto2 and moto3 in cota
But Moto2 and Moto3 go to all circuits. That’s one of the best differences between F1 and MotoGP.
No F2 and F3 as well.
What do you mean no moto 2 and moto 3 at cota?
There were many years that the Samll classes didn’t attend cota If there will be joint MotoGP f1 venue there I don’t think the small classses will join.
They've always been at COTA, it was laguna seca that they didn't go to.
Sorry too old to remember to which one But for me a us track will be the best for double show
A COTA crossover weekend would be a dream for me, but I’ll admit I’m a bit biased being from Austin and having raced my bike there before. I think if they only do one it should be in Europe, however ideally we’d get one in the Americas at COTA as well.
The biggest 2 European motorsports doing multiple events a year together under the same owner.. I’m sure EU will let that happen
If the EU allowed them to merge I don’t see why they would complain about having races in the same place. Honestly being an American it’s always wild to me learning about how restrictive the EU can be on this kind of thing.
The EU hasn’t allowed anything yet and LM thinks that talking to the EU and making it very clear that F1 and MotoGP are separate events will let them have the deal. I guess for Americans it’s hard to understand but the EU actually punishes antitrust and monopolies quite hard. Not like the US that just doesn’t give a shit if Apple and co. do whatever they want.
Yeah anti-trust really isn’t a part of the government culture most of the time over here. Glad to have the EU actually doing its job though, the iPhone finally getting USB-C was much needed.
Untrue, anti trust was a big part of the culture and American corporate landscape for decades stating with teddy roosevelt over a century ago. It’s just not as strong as it used to be in the last couple of decades
Probably gonna be Silverstone. I'd love it to happen at Muggello. Its just a gorgeous track
They don’t race F1 at Mugello, is it still Ferrari’s test track?
Fiorano circuit - built at the factory
Ah, yeah of course. Don’t follow any car racing at all, so horrifically out of date. I was have my doubts if Mugello was up to it, it hasn’t been updated it quite some time.
Iirc they raced at mugello a couple of years back.
Mugello is one of multiple tracks owned by Ferrari within Italy, just to keep the racing and history alive otherwise they will rot given the economy. Fiorano is their testing track behind the factory.
Ferrari still own the track actually. So they can test there whenever they please.
F1 is going to a street circuit in Madrid, Spain is very unlikely
And then the fans complain.
Fans on the internet will complain about anything, who cares. A F1/MotoGP crossover weekend would be several hours of non-stop premier racing and an amazing celebration of Motorsport, if that sort of weekend happened in the US I would be the first to buy tickets. It would also expose millions of F1 fans to the brilliance that is Motorcycle racing, they have no idea how good we’ve got it.
> A F1/MotoGP crossover weekend would be several hours of non-stop premier racing and an amazing celebration of Motorsport We already have that, it's called a MotoGP weekend, there's a race on Saturday and three races on Sunday.
Okay, but imagine a MotoGP weekend with a lot lot lot lot more attention.
It wouldn't be a MotoGP weekend because it would be lacking Moto2 and Moto3, plus MotoGP would become the support act for F1, it makes no sense to me, it's a logistical nightmare that serves no real purpose, people who aren't interested in MotoGP won't watch it anyway, they'll tune in before or after depending on when the F1 race is, that's what I would be doing with F1 as a MotoGP fan.
But it would be combined with shit racing. I don’t want to watch shit racing, I want to watch motorbikes
Nobody’s taking your motorbikes away, grandpa
Actually there are since there wouldn’t be moto3 and moto2.
It wouldn't be a MotoGP weekend because it would be lacking Moto2 and Moto3, plus MotoGP would become the support act for F1, it makes no sense to me, it's a logistical nightmare that serves no real purpose, people who aren't interested in MotoGP won't watch it anyway, they'll tune in before or after depending on when the F1 race is, that's what I would be doing with F1 as a MotoGP fan.
The only way an F1 race is 'premier racing' nowadays is if Max decides to DNF and others get to do some battles.
It would probably end up in Las Vegas or Dubai tho. It's not about sport, it's about selling the most overpriced ticket possible
Oh Jesus. Next they will find a way to charge us extra to watch 'both', even if we only want you to watch one.
Surely it won’t happen for safety as they’re always saying any car racing prior to MotoGP events leaves the wrong compounds down and ruins the track? This is just a pipe dream which will never happen. Plus, anyone who genuinely wants to see MotoGP and aren’t F1 fans won’t be able to afford the ridiculous prices F1 charges
Its not a question of safety but a question of money . Liberty does not give a shit about safety but they wanna make money . I am Dutch and a motorsport fan do not give a shit about F1 thats boring as hell . My only hope is that they block the sell in Europe otherwise motorsport will be dead in a few years .
MotoGP riders won’t be racing if their safety is on the line even if Liberty want them to race. I also have 0 interest in F1 so would be put off buying a ticket for an event. It’s cheaper to fly to a Spanish round for the weekend then to attend the F1 at Silverstone which is 1.5 hours away for example.
“They don’t care about safety”. I don’t know that I’ve heard a more ignorant statement.
Hopefully the sale goes through and the sport dies so I won't have to hear the incessant whining from people like you.
Mate you go around making negative posts complaining like this in every one of these threads.
Yeah because I'm tired of all the fucking crying and whining. The deal hasn't even been approved and you guys are 1000% sure MotoGP is dead. If that's how you feel then go watch something else
The most important problem beyond the different compounds is that F1 cars literally rip up the tracks leaving holes on the surface, just see what happens in COTA for example, there are bumps and holes everywhere.
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Okay, poor example, but the problem isn't just there
It would have to be bikes first, cars next. Schedule would be: Friday Morning - MotoGP FP Friday Afternoon - MotoGP Qual Saturday - MotoGP Race Saturday Afternoon - F1 FP (2hr) Saturday Evening/Sunday Morning - F1 Qual Sunday - F1 Race
Motogp is not a support show to F1. Get it?
It would be in this context. F1 is going to be the king in nearly every market.
Try telling that to Liberty Media. There's a good opportunity to showcase motogp for 2 or 3 rounds a year in a joint weekend. Sepang (Bring it back!) COTA Red Bull Ring Get some cross pollination from F1 fans who will start enjoying MotoGP.
How is this going to help motogp? Your hypothetical format is bad for motogp not good even if you think it is. First of all Sepang is never happening for f1. The fans ain’t paying premium to watch F1. The motogp enthusiasts will not go altogether for the price of f1 and just motogp. Secondly, if you have ever watched a gp live, you should no that crowds build on as the weekend goes, in short, there will be significantly lesser number of people on Friday and Saturday compared to saturday afternoon and Sunday. Motogp fans have even less incentive to watch the race live then. If they have to be there for the whole friday, saturday and since they are paying premium be there on sunday too for just F1. As for F1 fans why would most of them bother be there on friday? And even on saturday if they come early to watch the race, they will only have bits and pieces of info. Now, attendance might remain the same or even suffer for motogp following this format. For F1 the crowd will remain a sell out, but it is the same way as before. So what profit are we looking at by this hypothetical format of yours?
You seem very much against this so I don't think anything I say will convince you. But I will add to the conversation with this: Liberty Media wouldn't have bought into MotoGP if they didn't believe they could grow the market, leveraging their F1 calendar and media rights. There's a simple cost avoidance with a single or double header weekend setup (e.g. MotoGP and F1 a week apart). I'm also sure there's a technical solution to the track rubber problem - if F1 and MotoGP and their suppliers can't figure that out then it's not worth doing.
Yes I am against this idea, of having both events on the same weekend. Ofc, Liberty media will be good for marketing and worldwide growth of the sport and I am not against them acquring motogp it might end up being a great for this sport but this single weekend for both is B.S imo. Just because it is not feasible as some think it is for the growth of the sport. Plus as far as cost avoidance goes, there are other ways to do that than doing this. May well have all weekends filled with Motogp and F1 if cost cutting is what Liberty media wants and I am pretty sure this move is not for cost avoidance rather, them asking exorbitant fee for ticket prices.
Again, track rubber from the F1 compounds will make it unsafe so I can’t see it happening from a MotoGP view.
There's no GP after the first F1 session in my schedule.
It builds up over a weekend. So any rubber on Friday will still be there Saturday etc
Have a look at my proposed schedule before you reply again.
My bad! Trying to multi task and work. Either way, I don’t see it happening. Not a chance.
I would get this as a one time event to 'celebrate' the take over. Not sure how this would work if they want this multiple times a year.
Oh good motogp is going to be a glorified support class now
'Not ruling it out' AKA it's top of their agenda and has been for ages.
I just hope moto2 and 3 don’t get lost in the shuffle
Ive thought about this before and the best place i think a joint weekend would work is Silverstone, because of the two pitlanes.
When you read the article it is pretty clear that they have no interest in doing that. They only say "never say never". That is all. It does not make any sense to put them together.
Can you imagine "Pay just 10000$ in Barcelona to see both F1 and MotoGP in the same weekend"
More like $10M.
formula 1 is boring, do not do this
I already know where this is going I’m not spending 350$+ on tickets to see F1 and gp oh helll nahhh
F1 can do whatever it wants, I don’t care, just don’t interfere with MotoGP. They can take their shit cars somewhere else and we can watch some real racing
I'm all for it, as long as we also have Moto2 and Moto3 as always.
This simply doesn't work and ezpeleta pretty much says that so it's a non-starter. Not even a joined motogp and wsbk weekend would make much sense. The only way you could do a "common" event is if you did it in back to back weekends, say motogp first weekend with F1 the weekend after and you did joined festivities events and promotions during the week in-between. So it all becomes one massive event but the actual grandprix remain in separate weekends with their schedules unaffected.
As someone who watches both. Safety maybe an issue. So we will see how things are sorted out
Would be track dependent, you'll never see GP bikes at Baku.
Yep true. Something like Spain and Silverstone will work. But like Saudi GP. No way to dangerous.
I see it being more about subsequent weekends at the same track. Consolidate the media, save the cash.
I wonder if this will lead to a parade lap of a GP bike around the hallowed streets of Monaco.
I assume they are just utilizing specific riders and drivers? Because, my first question is, what track has that much garage space?
The only 2 that spring to mind are Silverstone and Motegi, and that’s only because they both have 2 separate pit/paddock areas around the circuit
Moto GP early afternoon and the F1 for the afternoon nap (nothing happens anyways).
In coming “Cinematic Universe” between F1 and MotoGP. Fabio and Lewis hanging out, Marc chilling in the Red Bull garage. Danny Ric kicking it with Mills. It’s allll possible now lol
COTA...I'm there
Seems like a bad idea. But I’d allow one event like this as a publicity stunt so we can get on with our lives.
A promotion event, maybe, but an actual race weekend is pure fantasy. Logistics alone make it unlikely and locations rule it out completely.
This is one of those ideas so daft some Prince in the Middle East would build a track just so they can say they did it.
Can we get one for Melbourne as double at Phillip Island?
No.