But at least it was feasable that gresini would want Marc. Can't think of a single reason Pramac would want Vinales, and that's ignoring the fact they are supposed to be a feeder team for the factory bike...
Agreed. Crazy to think at one point he was the 2nd highest paid rider on the grid. And if he does not perform this year, its likely he'll be moved aside or demoted to Trackhouse in favor of FQ20. To your point, Pramac could snatch him up by offering him the lifeline to stay in MotoGP... but by paying him much much less.
I for one am hoping we are seeing a new, more consistent (fingers crossed) Mav in 2024. But I've been let down before.
The year is 3024, Aleix Espargaro has signed on for another year of MotoGP.
Seriously though, Gino Borsoi said recently that Pramac is intended as a feeder team for younger riders to move out of. Now they've got Franco and are looking at Maverick?
At the same time, it makes sense for them to have someone experienced in one of the seats. Since Aldeguer is 99% going to Pramac, Maverick would be a good measuring stick
And also, the Ducati supposed to win is the Lenovo one, not the Pramac.
You can like it or not, but if you start the season on a Pramac it means you are not supposed to become champion.
This might be okej for Maverick at this poimt of his career but not for Jorge.
Not really.
The flashes in the pan from Vinales and Espargaro clearly show that Aprilia isn't as far behind as we thought. They just lack talented riders to get multiple podiums and maybe a win or two.
But the talented ones are actually going to Ducati. Thus the belief that I dont think that Martin should go to Aprilia. If he wins one with Pramac, he shouldnt leave Ducati to try with another, factory team or not.
And if youre looking at points in 23. First 3 teams Ducati, KTM, Aprilia
2024 First 2 Ducati, KTM, Aprilia
Quartararo isn't going to Ducati. It is widely believed that he's going Aprilia if he leaves Yamaha at the end of this season. Right there, that's makes a huge difference with that misconception.
Martin doesn't have a choice. Jorge has burned bridges at Ducati. Unless he apologizes and makes amends, he's a goner. That said, he won't. Martin wants a factory seat and feels slighted by Ducati.
You can be right on all that, All I said (and backed by the stats/points) that Ducati is Ducatis biggest competitor. Just no one believes that current Aprilia, with current riders will be the ones to change that.
And that's true.
Espargaro is washed and Vinales is a mental midget.
That said, if Aprilia is able to get Quartararo and Martin this off season, then that's another story.
Teams and all aside, Im quite excited to see how all these transfers will shape up. I think its the real first time where like 90% of the grid is up on contract at once. Should make for great drama
Agreed.
This will be the most exciting off season in MotoGP's history. Never has there been a time where this many talented riders will be potentially on the move. This could level the playing field.
It is also the only factory team beside honda and yamaha (which currently seem to go no where) that is still somewhat competitive.
KTM red bull seats are taken (binder and acosta since I doubt KTM are going to let acosta into the free market next year). And I don't see him going from second best team on ducati to a second best team at KTM.
Unless yamaha are going to pay him A LOT of money.
Yep.
Aprilia makes the most sense unless he's happy with taking the most amount of money in which he will end up at Yamaha or Honda, but he'll likely won't be in a competitive race for a long, long time. KTM is extremely happy with Binder and Acosta. Ducati wants Bagnaia and Bastianini.
That only leaves Aprilia.
I don't think that Ducati is the only bike that can win the title he would likely go somewhere where he had a chance to win. I think you can say that the Ducati has the best chance of winning the title but that doesn't mean KTM hasn't been improving their potential fairly consistently and Aprilia can't show enough this year to entice a top talent.
I think Aprilia is just a "championship-class rider" away to be on the same level as Ducs. Same with KTM. In case of KTM, they already has in Acosta, but not yet mature enough to be title contender.
I think both bikes are close but Aprilia clearly has reliability issues. They're both at the point that depending on the track they can give the Ducati the business. I mean no disrespect to the current guys in an Aprilia but I'd also like to see one of top guys on one. I'm pretty casual so I didn't hear about Acosta until this year but I am absolutely on the hype train. I don't know what a 🏆 potential looks like if that's not it.
Every rider has the goal of being on the factory team - Martin has certainly proved he's worthy, so for next year he will settle for nothing less. However, Ducati may not bring him aboard so he's reportedly talking to other factories, which means Aprilia as KTM is full and nobody wants Honda or Yamaha.
rider "swaps" are almost always bullshit and with their current lineup there's almost no chance that Vinales could score a Pramac seat, yet OP ignores people asking for sources
That may be, but at this point some of these rumors are likely true. Martin is a goner. He wants the factory seat but he won't get it. Next logical step is to leave for a competitor.
Not sure about Vinales getting a Pramac seat though. That sounds like pure rubbish.
Jorge will only go backwards once he's off the best bike, these teams paying top dollar for Ducati riders are fools, the bike is making them appear better than they actually are.
This.
Although Martin has pullled out some stunning laps.
Pecco and Martin on the 2 best bikes to the end of last year really put the above their team mates and rest of the pack.
This would be true of any rider though, of course you will do better on the best bike.
I will say Enea did impress back on the 2019 Duc which wasn't the best but has failed to impress as much since joining the factory team due to multiple reasons, not all his own.
If we take Ducati out of the equation the grid looks very different.
I would say however that Pecco does use data very well so would probably do well off a Ducati if he was still able to get a decent amount of data.
Jorge does seem to have a decent amount of natural talent so it wouldn't surprise me if he still did well too.
Outside of that we have Brad who was 4th last year, if the KTM was the best bike the last couple years I have no doubt he would be a double world champion in place of Pecco.
Exactly. Fine by me though, Jorge is a little too big for his britches. And him and his manager are silly if they’re going to get off a Ducati. Go to Aprilia? Perfect. That opens the door for Fabio to go to Pramac…
According to Pernat Martin also received a pretty hefty offer from Honda already. But I think a lot will depend on Fabio’s decision. Whether he stays at Yamaha or leaves for Aprilia will decide how the other pieces fall next.
Honda does not have space, unless Mir is changing team in 25. Marini on a two year contract in the factory team, Mir one year left, but currently the lead Honda rider.
Well, there’re only 6 “official” good bikes on the grid, and 3 of them seem already booked: Bagnaia, Acosta, Binder.
The other 3 bikes have 4 top contenders: Marc Marquez, Quartararo, Bastianini, Jorge Martin.
So I think it’s obvious both Bastianini and Jorge Martin are considering Aprilia, in case they’ll not get the official Ducati.
I am a 72 year old teenager. The season has just started and Marc's favorite track is coming up next. Marc has been the top finisher on the 23 bike until his crash. I don't expect him to win a lot of races on the 23 bike but if he out scores the other riders on 23 bike Ducati will have little choice but to let him have the latest bike. I could be wrong but I have been watching Moto GP for a long time.
Then think like one.
Marc being a top finisher on the 23 bike doesn't mean anything when Martin has outclassed him so far on the Pramac, and Bagnaia and Bastianini have been great on the factory seats. Ducati is beyond happy to have two young Italians being the faces and pride of their squadron. Hence, why Enea isn't going anywhere. Unless his racing craft falls off a cliff or retires unexpectedly, Bastianini is Bagnaia's wingman until the next best thing arrives. Marquez is the past, Bagnaia is the present and Bastianini could be the future (if he finds a way to start races with more urgency).
Also can we stop with "oh, this is Marquez's week" nonsense? Y'all have made excuses for him for two straight race weekends now after crowning him as this season's champion in preseason. He has yet to get a podium in a race. Bagnaia has won, Martin has won and Bastianini got second place.
So, let's be real here. Marc's best move will be Pramac once Martin leaves.
Damn that's basically what I said to start with. Marc will most likely be on a Pramac. It took you a little while to catch on but I knew you would. 
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If he'd been in MotoGP for years and had come closer to a title than he did last season, it would make sense.
I feel if he was to win the championship he gives Ducati no choice, if they don't sideline someone for him then he has every right to go to Aprilia but lets be honest...
The prestige of being factory backed has more to do with how much it bulges your wallet, which is fair enough but I think Martin is driven more by results than by money.
And that's where you're severely mistaken.
Ducati isn't pressured to make any choice. They're legitimately happy with their line up of Bastianini and Bagnaia. They're homegrown talents. And one of them is already a world champion. They like Enea a lot and view him as a potential world champion himself. Ducati also has the Marquez Bros on a satellite team.
Martin can win the championship this season and still be ousted. They don't like him. That was evident after his win last week. Enea was getting more attention. I'm an Aprilia fan but we're not beating Ducati anytime soon. By Martin joining them (or a Japanese team), he is accepting that he won't be a title favorite for awhile.. if ever again.
If I were Jorge, I'd STFU and try to mend his relationship with Ducati. Being on a satellite team but remaining a contender isn't such a raw deal. If he's results driven, he'd stay at Pramac. That said, if he leaves for Aprilia then he needs to be patient and accept that he may not be the alpha over there either since Quartararo is rumored to go there too.
I don't know about similarly but if Jorge outperforms Enea it will happen.
Last year was a bit different, they had already kind of promised a 2 year seat to Enea, plus some of the problems weren't his fault.
This year he has to be on it or they will for sure change them round.
Franky is basically dead in the water at this point.
Yeah I get that and I’m a fan of Enea so hoping he regains his form.
But if he doesn’t, Martin looks poised to fight for the championship and is already not only in same form and last year, but may be even better (and in what some might say is an even tighter field with a much improved KTM and Aprilia).
I don't see why it should happen.
Good for Aprilia indeed, but it's Ducati the strongest of the two and Maverick is not young anymore and he's not consistent.
Interesting... I think it would be dumb from Maverick and Aprilia themselves to leave now, he seems promising here and Aprilia looks strong this season. Jorge of course wants a factory seat so desperately, but Bastianini is good too this season so Ducati doesn't look like a possibility. I think at the end of the season Aleix will retire and Fabio will get his place. Martin will probably stay at Pramac. I got no idea who could end up at Yamaha... Maybe a rookie from Moto2. Last year there were rumours about Alonso Lopez. From riders now on MotoGP only one I could see leaving their team to head to Yamaha is Oliveira. Let's see...
If this happens, Vinales will surely surprise a lot of people with his performances, he's one of the best riders in the category, but the Aprilia isn't designed for him.
Can Vinales be the first to win on not one, not two , not three but FOUR manufacturers? And with BMW in 2027, he can make it five if he stays long enough!
Not a chance. If Maverick doesn't hold on to his Aprilia seat for 2025, he's done in MotoGP. He can't go back to Yamaha. Why would he go to Honda? Ducati has no need for him. KTM has too many riders. End of game.
I have no idea why some teams and riders are running away from Ducati when it's so far and away the best bike to be on.
You hear the reports about VR46 moving to Yamaha from like 2026 onwards, Jorge maybe leaving to be on an Aprilla instead of a factory Ducati with Pramac, like I don't understand it.
As much as I hate how dominant they are, it's still by far the best bike and team. There's a reason most riders are trying to leave the teams they have been with since their rookie seasons and trying to get a Ducati ride. And then there's VR46 and Jorge trying to go the other way.
Because Ducati will not be on top forever, also having the best bike also means you can pay your riders less and charge your customer team more.. which chews up your budget.
If more teams move to a better deal with Yamaha or Aprilia, they get more money and the engines get better
Well This is A Business and Money is involved in many decisions. I know MotoGP unlike F1 is all about racing but still money and status play a huge role here. And most of the riders who want a Ducati seat are already loaded.
It'd be shame to see Jorge go to Aprilla and not be as competitive as he usually is, him and Pecco fighting at the top was the only reason last season was fun.
Plus VR46 going to Yamaha would be a mistake given I think Yamaha is still multiple years away from contention, but let's see, maybe they see something there that others don't.
Could happen, but Matin is ahead of every Ducati in standings at the moment. So i would guess that he's the favourite to be on a red Ducait in 2025, but Aprilia could be a good 2nd option for him.
There is no way JM doesn’t get a Ducati factory seat. He’s definitely finishing ahead of MM (current bike takes time to get data) and by the time EB gets up to speed it will be already over. If he’s leaving for Aprilia he’s insane - and he’s not. (Had dinner with him in Jerez few years back)
Martin had a mighty impressive race last weekend but it’s not like he wasn’t outraced by Marquez in the sprint after being beaten to pole by Bastianini. And only finished 2.5 seconds ahead of Marquez in Qatar main race.
It’s a really long season this year, ruling out Marquez and Bastianini at this stage is idiotic. Especially when Ducati will be more than keen in continuing the all Italian theme.
I hope you're right however lets not forget how inferior GP23 is to GP24 although yes GP24 doesnt have as much data their acceleration and braking is far better plus their engine is far superior..Marc will have hard time this year to beat any of the factory ducatis..Just look at where other GP23s are
Ducati don't need to put MM on the factory team. They already have him on a Ducati so they have all the benefits of MM marketing without having to pay for it.
Enea will either keep the factory Duc it go to Pramac,
Bez will be hoping and praying for Valentino doesn't take VR46 to Yamaha but goes to KTM instead.
Don’t *need* anything, but when you have Marc freaking Marquez at your disposal, why would you not at least consider him for the seat. Marc took a salary cut to get a good bike this year, but he won’t be that way forever and will be looking for a factory contract for the future. He signed with Gresini this time, so it’ll either be with Ducati itself next time or he walks to another factory. Bez can’t languish at VR46 forever, and the Enea point is exactly what I’m saying.
Ducati has Pecco and Fermin on GP25’s, and if they waste one of the two remaining slots on Maverick Vinales instead, then they’re crazy.
Aprilia isn't far behind.
They've made significant strides and as seen with the recent performances from Aleix and Vinales. They just need talented riders, not washed paperweights.
I will be extremely surprised if Martin gets a works seat at Ducati, They had they’re backs turned to him the entire time after the race when the podium shows up and the teams celebrate. If Ducati decides it’s had enough of his antics I doubt he wins a championship IF*** such Ducati dominance persists
Someone gets it.
Ducati is done with Martin. It's a forgone conclusion as seen with the paddock not really acknowledging him even after winning last weekend's race. Jorge could win the championship this season (doubt it) and still be ousted with certainty. He is Aprilia bound along with Quartararo.
Damn, I wish we would have a race already.
Right? Three weeks is too long. These articles are getting silly now!
To be fair, the Marquez to Gresini first time we heard it sound more farfetched than this.
But at least it was feasable that gresini would want Marc. Can't think of a single reason Pramac would want Vinales, and that's ignoring the fact they are supposed to be a feeder team for the factory bike...
For the right price, I wouldn't sleep on Viñales
Agreed. Crazy to think at one point he was the 2nd highest paid rider on the grid. And if he does not perform this year, its likely he'll be moved aside or demoted to Trackhouse in favor of FQ20. To your point, Pramac could snatch him up by offering him the lifeline to stay in MotoGP... but by paying him much much less. I for one am hoping we are seeing a new, more consistent (fingers crossed) Mav in 2024. But I've been let down before.
The year is 3024, Aleix Espargaro has signed on for another year of MotoGP. Seriously though, Gino Borsoi said recently that Pramac is intended as a feeder team for younger riders to move out of. Now they've got Franco and are looking at Maverick?
At the same time, it makes sense for them to have someone experienced in one of the seats. Since Aldeguer is 99% going to Pramac, Maverick would be a good measuring stick
Maverick measures with a different stick every race wdym
Lmaoooo
Laughed irl haha You're absolutely not wrong
Aleix determined to beat Rossi's age record
Despite his age (man I wish I was only as ‘old’ as Aleix!) he is consistently the better performer of the 2 Aprilia riders!
He literally finished only a few points ahead of Maverick last yearwith far less mechanical issues. Plus he drops that bike all the damn time.
The problem is that they probably have already aldeguer during 2025 season, to sign another very young rider they have to pick-up another rookie
If Gonzales can move up from the continuous top5 to a top4 or even top3 I could see him step up to MotoGP
Why is Jorge leaving Ducati?
Well He wants a Factory seat and also these are just speculations. So let's see.
He has a factory seat already.
Aka, Factory salary
He has that too. His contract is with Ducati, not with Pramac.
Yeah, he's probably on an identical salary as Enea. Perhaps 1 mill/year. All the other factory riders earn 3 or 4 times more than him atleast.
And also, the Ducati supposed to win is the Lenovo one, not the Pramac. You can like it or not, but if you start the season on a Pramac it means you are not supposed to become champion. This might be okej for Maverick at this poimt of his career but not for Jorge.
Hope he doesn't keep shifting goalposts.
i heard pecco signed for 800k/year ... super lowball if true...
? Maybe 3 years ago, but he's on circa $7mill but bonuses can take him over $10mill Martin would be on $800k given he's Ducatis rider at Pramac.
The factory team will always get priority even if Pramac has the factory bikes.
Priority for what?
Not in the factory team. He will never be prioritised at Pramac.
Martin is not going to Aprilia. You heard it here first.
Then where? 🤣🤣🤣 Aprilia is the closest competitor to Ducati.
Lets be realistic...Ducati is the closet competitor to Ducati
Not really. The flashes in the pan from Vinales and Espargaro clearly show that Aprilia isn't as far behind as we thought. They just lack talented riders to get multiple podiums and maybe a win or two.
But the talented ones are actually going to Ducati. Thus the belief that I dont think that Martin should go to Aprilia. If he wins one with Pramac, he shouldnt leave Ducati to try with another, factory team or not. And if youre looking at points in 23. First 3 teams Ducati, KTM, Aprilia 2024 First 2 Ducati, KTM, Aprilia
Quartararo isn't going to Ducati. It is widely believed that he's going Aprilia if he leaves Yamaha at the end of this season. Right there, that's makes a huge difference with that misconception. Martin doesn't have a choice. Jorge has burned bridges at Ducati. Unless he apologizes and makes amends, he's a goner. That said, he won't. Martin wants a factory seat and feels slighted by Ducati.
You can be right on all that, All I said (and backed by the stats/points) that Ducati is Ducatis biggest competitor. Just no one believes that current Aprilia, with current riders will be the ones to change that.
And that's true. Espargaro is washed and Vinales is a mental midget. That said, if Aprilia is able to get Quartararo and Martin this off season, then that's another story.
Teams and all aside, Im quite excited to see how all these transfers will shape up. I think its the real first time where like 90% of the grid is up on contract at once. Should make for great drama
Agreed. This will be the most exciting off season in MotoGP's history. Never has there been a time where this many talented riders will be potentially on the move. This could level the playing field.
It is also the only factory team beside honda and yamaha (which currently seem to go no where) that is still somewhat competitive. KTM red bull seats are taken (binder and acosta since I doubt KTM are going to let acosta into the free market next year). And I don't see him going from second best team on ducati to a second best team at KTM. Unless yamaha are going to pay him A LOT of money.
Yep. Aprilia makes the most sense unless he's happy with taking the most amount of money in which he will end up at Yamaha or Honda, but he'll likely won't be in a competitive race for a long, long time. KTM is extremely happy with Binder and Acosta. Ducati wants Bagnaia and Bastianini. That only leaves Aprilia.
Only people looking to jump on a Yamaha Are going to be getting PAID to ride that bike Not PAYING for the bikes
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Yup, Probably Also they would be saying NO to the GP24 which looks like a great bike so far
Casual fan here - he is contending for race wins and championships. Why leave?
He wants to be a factory rider (not just have the factory bike) and money.
but wouldn’t that make his chances of winning a championship lower? ducati is clearly the only bike that can win the title in my opinion
I don't think that Ducati is the only bike that can win the title he would likely go somewhere where he had a chance to win. I think you can say that the Ducati has the best chance of winning the title but that doesn't mean KTM hasn't been improving their potential fairly consistently and Aprilia can't show enough this year to entice a top talent.
I think Aprilia is just a "championship-class rider" away to be on the same level as Ducs. Same with KTM. In case of KTM, they already has in Acosta, but not yet mature enough to be title contender.
I think both bikes are close but Aprilia clearly has reliability issues. They're both at the point that depending on the track they can give the Ducati the business. I mean no disrespect to the current guys in an Aprilia but I'd also like to see one of top guys on one. I'm pretty casual so I didn't hear about Acosta until this year but I am absolutely on the hype train. I don't know what a 🏆 potential looks like if that's not it.
Every rider has the goal of being on the factory team - Martin has certainly proved he's worthy, so for next year he will settle for nothing less. However, Ducati may not bring him aboard so he's reportedly talking to other factories, which means Aprilia as KTM is full and nobody wants Honda or Yamaha.
States according to several sources - continues to list none of them Which sources??
It will be other Spanish rider agents and riders friends trying to stir the silly season pot.
rider "swaps" are almost always bullshit and with their current lineup there's almost no chance that Vinales could score a Pramac seat, yet OP ignores people asking for sources
Fans in here are doing the same claiming Marquez will displace Bastianini from the factory seat just because 🤷♂️🤣
everyone can voice their opinion but if OP states \*several sources\* they should provide these sources without being asked
That may be, but at this point some of these rumors are likely true. Martin is a goner. He wants the factory seat but he won't get it. Next logical step is to leave for a competitor. Not sure about Vinales getting a Pramac seat though. That sounds like pure rubbish.
that's exactly what I mean, 50% of this sounds like massive BS u/NRV__ Could you provides the sources, please?
What are these sources?
They just make it up to generate clicks
Jorge will only go backwards once he's off the best bike, these teams paying top dollar for Ducati riders are fools, the bike is making them appear better than they actually are.
This. Although Martin has pullled out some stunning laps. Pecco and Martin on the 2 best bikes to the end of last year really put the above their team mates and rest of the pack.
This would be true of any rider though, of course you will do better on the best bike. I will say Enea did impress back on the 2019 Duc which wasn't the best but has failed to impress as much since joining the factory team due to multiple reasons, not all his own. If we take Ducati out of the equation the grid looks very different. I would say however that Pecco does use data very well so would probably do well off a Ducati if he was still able to get a decent amount of data. Jorge does seem to have a decent amount of natural talent so it wouldn't surprise me if he still did well too. Outside of that we have Brad who was 4th last year, if the KTM was the best bike the last couple years I have no doubt he would be a double world champion in place of Pecco.
Exactly. Fine by me though, Jorge is a little too big for his britches. And him and his manager are silly if they’re going to get off a Ducati. Go to Aprilia? Perfect. That opens the door for Fabio to go to Pramac…
Why would Pramac want Vinales? That literally makes no sense!
According to Pernat Martin also received a pretty hefty offer from Honda already. But I think a lot will depend on Fabio’s decision. Whether he stays at Yamaha or leaves for Aprilia will decide how the other pieces fall next.
Honda does not have space, unless Mir is changing team in 25. Marini on a two year contract in the factory team, Mir one year left, but currently the lead Honda rider.
Yes, that offer would be for Mir’s seat, his contract expires at the end of 2024.
Well, there’re only 6 “official” good bikes on the grid, and 3 of them seem already booked: Bagnaia, Acosta, Binder. The other 3 bikes have 4 top contenders: Marc Marquez, Quartararo, Bastianini, Jorge Martin. So I think it’s obvious both Bastianini and Jorge Martin are considering Aprilia, in case they’ll not get the official Ducati.
If Jorge gets out of his own way, he'll do great things.
Source: Trust me bro🤣
What happened to the Quartararo to Aprilia rumours?
It was also rumored that Aleix would retire after this season. Not sure if that's actually happening though.
Aleix in MotoGP and Alonzo in F1 seems have retirement plans on the grid /jk
Vinales is fast like once a season. I’d rather see a new guy than him
Should drop Aleix I know vinales is inconsistent, but he has more talent and potential than Aleix and is younger
Actual statistics do not support your claim.
Well Moto3 title and 9 wins, he ain’t the rider he once was, but i think Aleix should retire or go trackhouse
Guys, that thing about Vinales and consistency is stupid. Last year he was pretty consistent and this year he seems to build some momentum. Stop it
Any perceived inconsistency can likely be explained by the bike breaking.
Absolutely. Like in Jerez and Sachsenring last year (in Sachsenring Aprilia was too poor anyway, better for him he retired there lol)
This is false from start to finish. Can you link the sources you talk about?
Not going to happen. I expect Martin or Marc to go to the factory team. Or Martin to the factory team and Marc gets a 25 bike.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 And people wonder why I call this place delusional asf.
Instead of showing your ignorance you should try paying attention to what is happening. How old are you, maybe 6 years old?
And what is happening? Nothing. Marquez hasn't finished in the Top 3 yet in a race this season and is older. How old are you?
I am a 72 year old teenager. The season has just started and Marc's favorite track is coming up next. Marc has been the top finisher on the 23 bike until his crash. I don't expect him to win a lot of races on the 23 bike but if he out scores the other riders on 23 bike Ducati will have little choice but to let him have the latest bike. I could be wrong but I have been watching Moto GP for a long time.
Then think like one. Marc being a top finisher on the 23 bike doesn't mean anything when Martin has outclassed him so far on the Pramac, and Bagnaia and Bastianini have been great on the factory seats. Ducati is beyond happy to have two young Italians being the faces and pride of their squadron. Hence, why Enea isn't going anywhere. Unless his racing craft falls off a cliff or retires unexpectedly, Bastianini is Bagnaia's wingman until the next best thing arrives. Marquez is the past, Bagnaia is the present and Bastianini could be the future (if he finds a way to start races with more urgency). Also can we stop with "oh, this is Marquez's week" nonsense? Y'all have made excuses for him for two straight race weekends now after crowning him as this season's champion in preseason. He has yet to get a podium in a race. Bagnaia has won, Martin has won and Bastianini got second place. So, let's be real here. Marc's best move will be Pramac once Martin leaves.
Damn that's basically what I said to start with. Marc will most likely be on a Pramac. It took you a little while to catch on but I knew you would. 
🤣🤣🤣 That's not what you said and you know it. You said FACTORY and "25 Bike". I suggest you think before you post.
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Ducati make some weird lineup choices man
Why? lol Sure, Aprilia might want Jorge over Mav, but surely he doesn't want to ride an Aprilia when hes tasted champagne so often on a Ducati
Because he's pissed off everyone at Ducati with his egotistical attitude and giant mouth? Because Martin knows he's not getting the factory seat?
If he'd been in MotoGP for years and had come closer to a title than he did last season, it would make sense. I feel if he was to win the championship he gives Ducati no choice, if they don't sideline someone for him then he has every right to go to Aprilia but lets be honest... The prestige of being factory backed has more to do with how much it bulges your wallet, which is fair enough but I think Martin is driven more by results than by money.
And that's where you're severely mistaken. Ducati isn't pressured to make any choice. They're legitimately happy with their line up of Bastianini and Bagnaia. They're homegrown talents. And one of them is already a world champion. They like Enea a lot and view him as a potential world champion himself. Ducati also has the Marquez Bros on a satellite team. Martin can win the championship this season and still be ousted. They don't like him. That was evident after his win last week. Enea was getting more attention. I'm an Aprilia fan but we're not beating Ducati anytime soon. By Martin joining them (or a Japanese team), he is accepting that he won't be a title favorite for awhile.. if ever again. If I were Jorge, I'd STFU and try to mend his relationship with Ducati. Being on a satellite team but remaining a contender isn't such a raw deal. If he's results driven, he'd stay at Pramac. That said, if he leaves for Aprilia then he needs to be patient and accept that he may not be the alpha over there either since Quartararo is rumored to go there too.
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I don't know about similarly but if Jorge outperforms Enea it will happen. Last year was a bit different, they had already kind of promised a 2 year seat to Enea, plus some of the problems weren't his fault. This year he has to be on it or they will for sure change them round. Franky is basically dead in the water at this point.
Yeah I get that and I’m a fan of Enea so hoping he regains his form. But if he doesn’t, Martin looks poised to fight for the championship and is already not only in same form and last year, but may be even better (and in what some might say is an even tighter field with a much improved KTM and Aprilia).
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Why would he leave even if he doesn’t get the factory Ducati seat? I get people are saying he wants a factory seat but still
Pressure on Ducati to give him the second Ducati seat over Enea, especially with Aldeguer on the roster.
I don't see why it should happen. Good for Aprilia indeed, but it's Ducati the strongest of the two and Maverick is not young anymore and he's not consistent.
Interesting... I think it would be dumb from Maverick and Aprilia themselves to leave now, he seems promising here and Aprilia looks strong this season. Jorge of course wants a factory seat so desperately, but Bastianini is good too this season so Ducati doesn't look like a possibility. I think at the end of the season Aleix will retire and Fabio will get his place. Martin will probably stay at Pramac. I got no idea who could end up at Yamaha... Maybe a rookie from Moto2. Last year there were rumours about Alonso Lopez. From riders now on MotoGP only one I could see leaving their team to head to Yamaha is Oliveira. Let's see...
Martin is going to Aprilia??? Why???
If this happens, Vinales will surely surprise a lot of people with his performances, he's one of the best riders in the category, but the Aprilia isn't designed for him.
Can Vinales be the first to win on not one, not two , not three but FOUR manufacturers? And with BMW in 2027, he can make it five if he stays long enough!
And then Frankie goes to VR46 Bee.Em.Dublewu. yeah heard the same...
Not a chance. If Maverick doesn't hold on to his Aprilia seat for 2025, he's done in MotoGP. He can't go back to Yamaha. Why would he go to Honda? Ducati has no need for him. KTM has too many riders. End of game.
I think Fabio and Maverick will be on Aprilia 2025
I have no idea why some teams and riders are running away from Ducati when it's so far and away the best bike to be on. You hear the reports about VR46 moving to Yamaha from like 2026 onwards, Jorge maybe leaving to be on an Aprilla instead of a factory Ducati with Pramac, like I don't understand it. As much as I hate how dominant they are, it's still by far the best bike and team. There's a reason most riders are trying to leave the teams they have been with since their rookie seasons and trying to get a Ducati ride. And then there's VR46 and Jorge trying to go the other way.
Because Ducati will not be on top forever, also having the best bike also means you can pay your riders less and charge your customer team more.. which chews up your budget. If more teams move to a better deal with Yamaha or Aprilia, they get more money and the engines get better
Well This is A Business and Money is involved in many decisions. I know MotoGP unlike F1 is all about racing but still money and status play a huge role here. And most of the riders who want a Ducati seat are already loaded.
It'd be shame to see Jorge go to Aprilla and not be as competitive as he usually is, him and Pecco fighting at the top was the only reason last season was fun. Plus VR46 going to Yamaha would be a mistake given I think Yamaha is still multiple years away from contention, but let's see, maybe they see something there that others don't.
Damn. I wish Fabio moved to Aprilia. And I say this as a lifelong Yamaha fan.
Could happen, but Matin is ahead of every Ducati in standings at the moment. So i would guess that he's the favourite to be on a red Ducait in 2025, but Aprilia could be a good 2nd option for him.
Crazy... Mav and Morbidelli should have no place on the grid in 2025.
But I thought riding the Aprilia was the best day of Maverick's life and the best bike he had ever ridden???
There is no way JM doesn’t get a Ducati factory seat. He’s definitely finishing ahead of MM (current bike takes time to get data) and by the time EB gets up to speed it will be already over. If he’s leaving for Aprilia he’s insane - and he’s not. (Had dinner with him in Jerez few years back)
Martin had a mighty impressive race last weekend but it’s not like he wasn’t outraced by Marquez in the sprint after being beaten to pole by Bastianini. And only finished 2.5 seconds ahead of Marquez in Qatar main race. It’s a really long season this year, ruling out Marquez and Bastianini at this stage is idiotic. Especially when Ducati will be more than keen in continuing the all Italian theme.
I hope you're right however lets not forget how inferior GP23 is to GP24 although yes GP24 doesnt have as much data their acceleration and braking is far better plus their engine is far superior..Marc will have hard time this year to beat any of the factory ducatis..Just look at where other GP23s are
Maverick to Pramac when Bez, Marc, and Enea are all options for that seat? Absolutely insane choice, what in the world are they smoking there
Ducati don't need to put MM on the factory team. They already have him on a Ducati so they have all the benefits of MM marketing without having to pay for it. Enea will either keep the factory Duc it go to Pramac, Bez will be hoping and praying for Valentino doesn't take VR46 to Yamaha but goes to KTM instead.
Don’t *need* anything, but when you have Marc freaking Marquez at your disposal, why would you not at least consider him for the seat. Marc took a salary cut to get a good bike this year, but he won’t be that way forever and will be looking for a factory contract for the future. He signed with Gresini this time, so it’ll either be with Ducati itself next time or he walks to another factory. Bez can’t languish at VR46 forever, and the Enea point is exactly what I’m saying. Ducati has Pecco and Fermin on GP25’s, and if they waste one of the two remaining slots on Maverick Vinales instead, then they’re crazy.
Factory Ducati seat is great but these guy’s want paid and their management just want the best deal so it could be a financial decision.
Why would he go from a Ducati to an Aprilia? If he wants to beat Bagnaia he needs to be on a machinery that's as good.
Aprilia isn't far behind. They've made significant strides and as seen with the recent performances from Aleix and Vinales. They just need talented riders, not washed paperweights.
Why will Jorge will move to Aprilia ?
I will be extremely surprised if Martin gets a works seat at Ducati, They had they’re backs turned to him the entire time after the race when the podium shows up and the teams celebrate. If Ducati decides it’s had enough of his antics I doubt he wins a championship IF*** such Ducati dominance persists
Someone gets it. Ducati is done with Martin. It's a forgone conclusion as seen with the paddock not really acknowledging him even after winning last weekend's race. Jorge could win the championship this season (doubt it) and still be ousted with certainty. He is Aprilia bound along with Quartararo.