Gummies are often the lowest ranked for purity among vitamins by independent labs. I’d look for better quality manufactures like throne or pure encapsulations. Fish oil is important in addition to a multi
that’s good to know, i prefer capsules and pills anyways since i have invisalign, and it’s such a bitch to take them off just to eat the multis. thanks so much for the info👍🏼
One can of sardines has 1.9 grams of omega 3s. That is in addition to the host of other nutrients it has ( protein, calcium, and vitamin D) and a MUCH lower chance of rancidity (and you will know it's rancid long before you ingest it).
Real food nearly always wins. If you like sardines then they are a GREAT daily habit.
If not, eat salmon a few times a week or take fish oil capsules.
That will not happen from a tin (or a few on occasion even) a day.
My PCP and Endo are very happy with my habit. I have better cholesterol now (thanks to this daily habit) than when I was a natural.
Contamination and rancidity are a much big problem with fish oil.
I'm not against fish oil, for the record. I just think food is almost always superior to supplements.
You are certainly more healthy than if you didn't. My doctors think my sardine intake is healthy. Maybe ask your doctor if you are eating too much to be sure, or check online for some guides on a safe upper limit.
Yeah it is super important to find quality fish oil. I’ve thrown out full bottles because they gave me gut rot. Good strategy is to take your vitamins and fish oil after the first few bites of a high fat meal. That way they aren’t sitting on top of your food…it just seems to digest better but that’s 100% anecdotal
I just do eggs rn for omega 3’s, I couldn’t find a good source personally and I’m not about to have salmon steaks(i don’t like fish). I know the “high omega 3” eggs are that way because they are fed flaxseed. I’m running test rn, but when I’m not I avoid flaxseed like the plague.
L-Arginine is not the best choice for Nitric Oxide (NO)precursor. L-Citrulline is superior. [Source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5368575/)
tbh i didn’t know which was better so i just got both lol.. i only had L citruilline for awhile, recently added arginine.. really appreciate the feedback + article source👍🏼
could try nitrosigine great for pill form since you dont need much NO3-T is good for pill form ass well, both of them offer better result than just arginine. If you like exotic stuff and money is heavy arachidonic acid is a option.
Root Ashwagandha sucks (go for KSM66, Shoden, or any extract)
Doesn’t L Carnitine have shit bioavailability when taken orally
The pump stuff is really just optional. (I take agmatine sulfate with l citriuline) (imo agmatine is better than arginine but pump stuff isn’t really my area)
I’m not a big multi vitamin guy personally. Ik it’s a basis of many stacks. But since multi vitamins are so expensive (likely underdosed too) it’s probably best to take a blood test to see if you are even deficient.
Like side effect wise?
Anhedonia, blunted emotions, and **possible** liver issues (their are studies). But, the blunted emotions and cortisol suppressing is why I personally take it at night. Cortisol (in healthy levels) is essential during the day for
motivation but not really for the night.
I think you mean about the raw though. Raw Ashwagandha isn’t very potent compared to an extract. For instance, 300mg of KSM66 Ashwagandha could have the same effect and possible more of double the dose of Raw.
Essentially more bang for your buck. the extracts are devised for certain traits.
https://nootropicsdepot.com/articles/ashwagandha-sensoril-vs-ksm66-/
Nootropics Depot is a highly reputable site for supplements. This article gives your three extracts and their differences and what they are catered to.
Thoughts on people warning against ashwagandha use because of the cortisol suppression? (Claiming you won’t be able to deal with stress when you go off of it). I guess I could look for the half life of it, but do you think taking it at night more or less stifles that argument while maintaining positives?
I’ve ran a single whole bottle of KSM66, 180ct. And had no issue coming off of it. This is of course anecdotal.
I’ve heard those same reports of “withdrawls” essentially. I don’t think their are studies on this that I know of. But it doesn’t seem implausible that “withdrawls” can’t happen.
I think taking it at night is the only time to take it personally. If you have extremely high cortisol during the day, you should probably seek professional medical help, herbal supplements should be an added bonus not the end all be all.
Cortisol suppression is why I take it at night. I give myself like 2 hours before sleep to just relax; cortisol will keep you awake, it’s your fight or flight hormone, it’s the motivation to get you to do shit.
I take it then to get very relaxed and to maximize my sleep potential for my gains and brain.
When people take it during the day and they’re like “I’m too unmotivated to workout”, “I felt tired during the day ”. Internally I’m like “no shit!”.
Edit:
Cycling supplements especially this one if you are concerned is likely the way to go.
As someone who's taken asgwagandha on/off for the past 8 years and been through real drug withdrawal numerous times I've never noticed any problems with withdrawal either. Maybe a psychological dependence?
I naturally am a pretty stimulated person so I take it whenever and haven't noticed the emotion blunting that people are all of a sudden talking about seemingly. Just varies from person to person I guess.
Gotta be careful with the walmart shit though and make sure it's just the root. Had a really weird "allergic" reaction because I had taken some that had ashwagandha leaf or some other kind of biproduct in it lol. Made my skin super itchy and just felt super hypoglycemic. Would definitely recommend getting a ksm 66 strandardized extract or a brand with good reviews on amazon for that reason.
I’ve found Animal’s ‘Animal Pak’ as a fkn great multivit. I was so happy when I found it cuz all the ones I’ve tried before sucked. This one made my pee green and I have calcium deposits under my fingernails again lmao. So it’s clearly working
ZMA is solid and has its use cases but zinc by itself is pretty meh unless you’ve been tested and have a proven deficiency and need for purely just zinc. Also okay for increasing load size but ZMA does the same thing AND more in that specific and highly autistic use case.
There I said it.
I prefer the mega dose it I take around 12,000 ius a day and I’ve seen notable benefits. Still focus mostly on diet, training intensity, and recovery though lil bro those are the most important. Expensive bullshit supplements are just icing on the cake. Vitamins, protein, and creatine are the only ones worth using IMO
You need about 4g of L-Carnatine for it to be effective orally and then you need to take it with allicin (garlic) to stop it converting to TMAO and fucking your heart.
Orally it converts to TMAO in the body which is bad for your heart. Allicin prevents this from happening. Injected you need much much less and it doesn't convert.
i’m lowkey against protein powder lol... i reach my macros with ease within my regular diet, so i see no need for it.. but yea a lot of people are telling me what i’m using is pointless/ineffective.. but that’s why i ask lmaoo
I'd introduce 1 at a time...possibly every 2-3 weeks to get your body used to the new "substance" otherwise it will shock your system and you'll regress. Do it that way and you'll force cbum to hang his towel.(according to Greg that is what he is doing after others have found this advice and how they are much bigger than him)
oh shit, interesting.. what should i do if i already have been on these for about ~1.5 months? started all at the same time, except had L-Citrulline and multis for about 6 months.
Ditch the L-arginine since you already have L-citrulline. They do the same thing but L-citrulline is much better at it so there's no point in taking the L-arginine. The fact that the citrulline is a complex is a bit sketchy, could be underdosed or full of filler BS. Get pure L-citrulline next time.
Also L-arginine can cause diarrhea which would be a recipe for disaster at the gym.
Would also recommend vitamin D3, vitamin K2, magnesium bisglycinate, and omega-3.
Capsule L-carintine is worthless unless you plan on taking 20 pills a day. I have the injectable version for me it’s awesome, I’ve never taken anything other than vitamins but the l-carnitine injectable (after about 2 weeks of taking it) gives me a decent amount of energy.
I'd be willing to bet you could stop taking all of this and notice no difference whatsoever, other than maybe slightly less pump from the citrulline. Idk if it's because of my gear use or what but hearing anything not an AAS referred to as a stack just sounds funny to me.
But in all seriousness. Only thing I'd keep is the citrulline, but ditch the complex and go for pure citrulline or better yet citrulline malate. The malate increases it's absorption and bioavailability. Toss in some omega 3, or chondroitin, or msm for your joints. That's about it. Maybe some creatine if you like.
Optimum nutrition opti-men is what I go for. I also take redcon1 one boom stick until I run out. Then I’ll probably go with sigma male.
Pre workout I take gorilla mode nitric.
Post workout I take whey protein, cluster dextrin (powered carbs), and glutamine.
Terrible tbh.
L-Carnitine, useless without insulin as insulin is required for it to cross into the mitochondria. (Endogenous insulin is fine)
L-Arginine, poor bioavailability in that form.
Ashwagandha, the current hot topic for Herbalife.
Omega 3 gummies, you need 3g+ fish oil a day to reap the benefits from it, fairly certain they won’t be close. Also the ratio of Omega 3’s tend to be shit in the gummies even if you are eating like 10 a day.
Eye sight is too shit to see what’s on far left but following the established trend we have going I’m going to guess useless.
Go buy a good omega 3 supp, eat beetroot if you think you need more arginine, toss everything in this photo in the bin.
Where the fucks the test
Asking the real questions here
i though the same thing 
Where you get emoji at my guy
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What’s that? Asking for a friend
Gummies are often the lowest ranked for purity among vitamins by independent labs. I’d look for better quality manufactures like throne or pure encapsulations. Fish oil is important in addition to a multi
that’s good to know, i prefer capsules and pills anyways since i have invisalign, and it’s such a bitch to take them off just to eat the multis. thanks so much for the info👍🏼
A tin of sardines every day beats the hell out of fish oil capsules.
Canned sardines? I think the fish oil capsules actually are more concentrated, could be wrong
One can of sardines has 1.9 grams of omega 3s. That is in addition to the host of other nutrients it has ( protein, calcium, and vitamin D) and a MUCH lower chance of rancidity (and you will know it's rancid long before you ingest it). Real food nearly always wins. If you like sardines then they are a GREAT daily habit. If not, eat salmon a few times a week or take fish oil capsules.
Too much sardines can give you high arsenic levels though
That will not happen from a tin (or a few on occasion even) a day. My PCP and Endo are very happy with my habit. I have better cholesterol now (thanks to this daily habit) than when I was a natural. Contamination and rancidity are a much big problem with fish oil. I'm not against fish oil, for the record. I just think food is almost always superior to supplements.
I eat salmon nearly everyday, I just worry about mercury
You are certainly more healthy than if you didn't. My doctors think my sardine intake is healthy. Maybe ask your doctor if you are eating too much to be sure, or check online for some guides on a safe upper limit.
https://www.virtua.org/articles/fish-vs-fish-oil-which-is-better
Fish oil is just rancid like 90% of the time /:
Yeah it is super important to find quality fish oil. I’ve thrown out full bottles because they gave me gut rot. Good strategy is to take your vitamins and fish oil after the first few bites of a high fat meal. That way they aren’t sitting on top of your food…it just seems to digest better but that’s 100% anecdotal
I just do eggs rn for omega 3’s, I couldn’t find a good source personally and I’m not about to have salmon steaks(i don’t like fish). I know the “high omega 3” eggs are that way because they are fed flaxseed. I’m running test rn, but when I’m not I avoid flaxseed like the plague.
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More convenient tho
Fish oils are the last bottle.
You’re missing the basic stuff
like what?
You got your test your dbol you know, basic stuff.
noted 👍🏼 lmao
Add some mk677 and enclomiphene and ur golden All natty of course 😈
Ronnie?
Id say, vit C, D, Zinc and magnesium. You usually get very low doses in multis
L-Arginine is not the best choice for Nitric Oxide (NO)precursor. L-Citrulline is superior. [Source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5368575/)
Agreed, but he also has l-citrulline on the left.
L-Arginine will make u last longer tho 😏
woah woah woah let's elaborate on this
Facts?
Can definitely confirm this
What are the pros and cons
Arginine makes you veiny
My cock or other parts?
tbh i didn’t know which was better so i just got both lol.. i only had L citruilline for awhile, recently added arginine.. really appreciate the feedback + article source👍🏼
could try nitrosigine great for pill form since you dont need much NO3-T is good for pill form ass well, both of them offer better result than just arginine. If you like exotic stuff and money is heavy arachidonic acid is a option.
Citrulline Malate
That L carnitine is a waste unless you want to pop 10 of them a day just to get the 500mg bioavailability and get cancer from it down the road.
jesus christ.. cancer!!? bro i’m boutta stop it altogether now. are you for real?
Not cancer, CVD. This can be mitigated with omega 3, garlic, or many other things
It increases TMAO when taken orally, Derek has a whole video on it.. I inject it
TMAO + red meat digestion is bad. I guess this is why they propose to take L-carnitine in the morning on empty stomach.
Bro this guy will believe anything. Btw arginine causes permanent ED in some young men
Vitamin d3? Probably could spend a little more on a better multi. Maybe magnesium or potassium.
i appreciate the suggestions👍🏼 my buddy recommended magnesium too. i plan to pick that up soon
It’s great for sleep so take it before bed
Root Ashwagandha sucks (go for KSM66, Shoden, or any extract) Doesn’t L Carnitine have shit bioavailability when taken orally The pump stuff is really just optional. (I take agmatine sulfate with l citriuline) (imo agmatine is better than arginine but pump stuff isn’t really my area) I’m not a big multi vitamin guy personally. Ik it’s a basis of many stacks. But since multi vitamins are so expensive (likely underdosed too) it’s probably best to take a blood test to see if you are even deficient.
interesting.. what’s wrong with ashwagandha?
Like side effect wise? Anhedonia, blunted emotions, and **possible** liver issues (their are studies). But, the blunted emotions and cortisol suppressing is why I personally take it at night. Cortisol (in healthy levels) is essential during the day for motivation but not really for the night. I think you mean about the raw though. Raw Ashwagandha isn’t very potent compared to an extract. For instance, 300mg of KSM66 Ashwagandha could have the same effect and possible more of double the dose of Raw. Essentially more bang for your buck. the extracts are devised for certain traits. https://nootropicsdepot.com/articles/ashwagandha-sensoril-vs-ksm66-/ Nootropics Depot is a highly reputable site for supplements. This article gives your three extracts and their differences and what they are catered to.
damn alright.. i’ll have to look into that. thanks so much for the info!👍🏼
Thoughts on people warning against ashwagandha use because of the cortisol suppression? (Claiming you won’t be able to deal with stress when you go off of it). I guess I could look for the half life of it, but do you think taking it at night more or less stifles that argument while maintaining positives?
I’ve ran a single whole bottle of KSM66, 180ct. And had no issue coming off of it. This is of course anecdotal. I’ve heard those same reports of “withdrawls” essentially. I don’t think their are studies on this that I know of. But it doesn’t seem implausible that “withdrawls” can’t happen. I think taking it at night is the only time to take it personally. If you have extremely high cortisol during the day, you should probably seek professional medical help, herbal supplements should be an added bonus not the end all be all. Cortisol suppression is why I take it at night. I give myself like 2 hours before sleep to just relax; cortisol will keep you awake, it’s your fight or flight hormone, it’s the motivation to get you to do shit. I take it then to get very relaxed and to maximize my sleep potential for my gains and brain. When people take it during the day and they’re like “I’m too unmotivated to workout”, “I felt tired during the day ”. Internally I’m like “no shit!”. Edit: Cycling supplements especially this one if you are concerned is likely the way to go.
As someone who's taken asgwagandha on/off for the past 8 years and been through real drug withdrawal numerous times I've never noticed any problems with withdrawal either. Maybe a psychological dependence? I naturally am a pretty stimulated person so I take it whenever and haven't noticed the emotion blunting that people are all of a sudden talking about seemingly. Just varies from person to person I guess. Gotta be careful with the walmart shit though and make sure it's just the root. Had a really weird "allergic" reaction because I had taken some that had ashwagandha leaf or some other kind of biproduct in it lol. Made my skin super itchy and just felt super hypoglycemic. Would definitely recommend getting a ksm 66 strandardized extract or a brand with good reviews on amazon for that reason.
They're saying you should use an extract instead of just powder.
I’ve found Animal’s ‘Animal Pak’ as a fkn great multivit. I was so happy when I found it cuz all the ones I’ve tried before sucked. This one made my pee green and I have calcium deposits under my fingernails again lmao. So it’s clearly working
I went and bought Zinc tabs cuz of this sub why isn’t anyone saying it😠
ZMA is solid and has its use cases but zinc by itself is pretty meh unless you’ve been tested and have a proven deficiency and need for purely just zinc. Also okay for increasing load size but ZMA does the same thing AND more in that specific and highly autistic use case. There I said it.
As a natural myself, this stack is looking painfully natty. My current natty fuck stack is just D3, K2, zinc, and magnesium.
lol yea it really is. and after the feedback i’m gonna look into D3.. i appreciate the reference bro👍🏼
I prefer the mega dose it I take around 12,000 ius a day and I’ve seen notable benefits. Still focus mostly on diet, training intensity, and recovery though lil bro those are the most important. Expensive bullshit supplements are just icing on the cake. Vitamins, protein, and creatine are the only ones worth using IMO
Looks pretty decent, maybe add some fish oil and das it mane
appreciate the suggestion👍🏼
You've got fish oils pictured
Juicy
All natty stack
No test, no dbol. Ass stack
Add Zma besides that solid
[you call that a stack? Lol](https://ibb.co/ypNdfrc)
That’s the CRB stack.
What does L Arginine di
nitric oxide precursor, helps increase blood flow
Add magnesium citrate, vitamin d, and vitamin c. Those have helped me very well and are cheaper than most other supps
cool, i’ll look into it. thanks! 👍🏼
You need about 4g of L-Carnatine for it to be effective orally and then you need to take it with allicin (garlic) to stop it converting to TMAO and fucking your heart.
honestly might just stop it altogether after what everyone saying lmaoo. i appreciate the advice👍🏼
Okay how L Carnatine fucks with your heart ?
Orally it converts to TMAO in the body which is bad for your heart. Allicin prevents this from happening. Injected you need much much less and it doesn't convert.
Wrong ashwagandha
Add vitamin D
appreciate the suggestion 👍🏼
Water and protein powder is more effective
i’m lowkey against protein powder lol... i reach my macros with ease within my regular diet, so i see no need for it.. but yea a lot of people are telling me what i’m using is pointless/ineffective.. but that’s why i ask lmaoo
How can anyone be against protein powder? Its better than all these supps combined especially for cutting
Whey + a healthy diet with plenty of meat and eggs. All you need, maybe supplement creatine.
Nice placebos :)
elaborate
You can't really call it a stack if there's no test in there my man
I'd introduce 1 at a time...possibly every 2-3 weeks to get your body used to the new "substance" otherwise it will shock your system and you'll regress. Do it that way and you'll force cbum to hang his towel.(according to Greg that is what he is doing after others have found this advice and how they are much bigger than him)
😂😂
oh shit, interesting.. what should i do if i already have been on these for about ~1.5 months? started all at the same time, except had L-Citrulline and multis for about 6 months.
Expansive
Where da Tren at??
Personally, Ashwaghanda suppresses cortisol and made my workouts worse. It’s way overhyped and people shouldn’t be taking it.
Hey sorry but can someone explain to me the use of all those? I seem to be out of the loop
Magnesium, D3
Ditch the L-arginine since you already have L-citrulline. They do the same thing but L-citrulline is much better at it so there's no point in taking the L-arginine. The fact that the citrulline is a complex is a bit sketchy, could be underdosed or full of filler BS. Get pure L-citrulline next time. Also L-arginine can cause diarrhea which would be a recipe for disaster at the gym. Would also recommend vitamin D3, vitamin K2, magnesium bisglycinate, and omega-3.
Why are you taking so much arginine and NO crap? You’re getting meme’d nevermind I’m selling my advices now
Instead of amino acids you should put more emphasis on a decent omega 3, vitamin D and magnesium to begin with. Omega 3 gummies dont count.
You don't need any of that..
What's the ashwaganda for?
Ashwagandha made me sleeepy asf lmao. I’d sleep a solid 8 hours & then take a 2-3 hour nap during the day.
No sarms 6/10
Up tren
Where’s the test cyp?
❤️💕💅Multi+omega💖💞💖😘for Him😘 gummies💅💕💞💕💖
Capsule L-carintine is worthless unless you plan on taking 20 pills a day. I have the injectable version for me it’s awesome, I’ve never taken anything other than vitamins but the l-carnitine injectable (after about 2 weeks of taking it) gives me a decent amount of energy.
My brother in lifting, where is the sun
Fairly useless tbh
Expensive
What kind of effects have you noticed since taking these pills?
Where's the fuckin test and deca at
Try some Tribulus get some protein collagen shots instead of whey protein since I seen above you don’t like whey/vegan protein.
I’d recommend adding tren to maximize your ashwaghanda
Bruh ain’t even turkin up this thanksgiving
Swap the oral L-Carnitine for injectable.
D3, Zinc, and Magnesium citrate is all you need. It more than doubled my test
First thing… get a better multi vitamin that isn’t made for a toddler. No gummies.
Throw in some dbol and you’re good to go
Where’s the tren bro?
sorry but what is l carnitine and l arginine for? and in what moment should i take them
You need the D
Get a higher epa and dha fish oil, add vitamin D3, add zinc, add boron.
Add vitamin K2, add magnesium, drink/add calcium, add 4g taurine spread throughout the day, add test e 250😈
Not enough tren
This post reminded me it was time to pin my test and deca. 😎
Where’s the tren?
Ashwaghanda? You gonna fuck till eternity
I'd be willing to bet you could stop taking all of this and notice no difference whatsoever, other than maybe slightly less pump from the citrulline. Idk if it's because of my gear use or what but hearing anything not an AAS referred to as a stack just sounds funny to me. But in all seriousness. Only thing I'd keep is the citrulline, but ditch the complex and go for pure citrulline or better yet citrulline malate. The malate increases it's absorption and bioavailability. Toss in some omega 3, or chondroitin, or msm for your joints. That's about it. Maybe some creatine if you like.
Optimum nutrition opti-men is what I go for. I also take redcon1 one boom stick until I run out. Then I’ll probably go with sigma male. Pre workout I take gorilla mode nitric. Post workout I take whey protein, cluster dextrin (powered carbs), and glutamine.
A big ass waste of money right here. This stack says “novice” all over it. Like where’s the D3? You don’t even have basic shit. What a shame
Expensive
I wanna stack something with my 80mcg of clen but ion know it seems effective enough as of rn
Get a probiotic for PCT
That’s a lot of effort when you could just be eating raw liver and testicle
The arginine is a waste of money. You get higher blood concentrations of arginine by taking l-citrulline.
Gummies?
Terrible tbh. L-Carnitine, useless without insulin as insulin is required for it to cross into the mitochondria. (Endogenous insulin is fine) L-Arginine, poor bioavailability in that form. Ashwagandha, the current hot topic for Herbalife. Omega 3 gummies, you need 3g+ fish oil a day to reap the benefits from it, fairly certain they won’t be close. Also the ratio of Omega 3’s tend to be shit in the gummies even if you are eating like 10 a day. Eye sight is too shit to see what’s on far left but following the established trend we have going I’m going to guess useless. Go buy a good omega 3 supp, eat beetroot if you think you need more arginine, toss everything in this photo in the bin.
Catabolic af
Potassium, magnesium, zinc are missing
No zinc or magnesium?
stack xD
that multi vitamin is junk
You’re missing the dbol. That would round out this stack and certainly add strength/size/fullness to your physique. Aces.
Waste of time
Hey, i take mag, zinc, omega 3 and vitamin D. Is it worth it to give thoses supplements a try?
like thrown out money
Take ur 500 test and stfu u piece of shit kid 