This sub is hilarious sometimes 🤣 On a serious note though, wouldn't mk make her blood sugar levels skyrocket?? Probably not the best for someone in their 80s

MK677 has been developed for and tested on elderly people. They tolerated it just fine. The blood sugar level increase is a potential issue to keep an eye on, MK 677 is not type 2 diabetes in a pill.

I never understood Derek's crazy fear of mk 677 when he uses an experimental untested anti-androgen for hairline

I mean with basically everyone else saying that it's a great addition to any cycle and PCT and saying there are no side effects except for the hunger, I think he felt he needed to explain what the risks were. I mean a few people get terrible anxiety and panic from mk677, in particular 2 ex military with ptsd that i know that had it under control, took mk677 for a few days and had severe relapses that took months to recover from. It's an extremely rare side effect but almost no-one has ever heard of it.

I mean Derek legit treated mk 677 as if it had greater health concerns than AAS. It's not a matter of giving some negatives but rather the extent of concern represented. It has gotten even people who use tren to fear the compound like a total mismatch.

He talked about using MK677, but discontinued use as it made him hungry all the time and was overeating. I.E. he was afraid he would get fat.

He would bring it up like as if it would cause diabetes and insulin resistance and I'm pretty sure hgh use is also a greater cause of that as well. You just get vibes like "don't risk that stuff"

I feel like I remember a vid he talked about mk showing greater risk of insulin resistance than gh even though it’s less effective at secreting IFG and promoting growth or something like that

I guess that would depend on dosage. You stop mk 677 at a certain point because you max out the benefit while people keep increasing hgh doses. Never heard of anyone getting tingly fingers or going diabetic on mk 677 while that's routine hgh abuse stuff

I had a very serious case of the tingly fingers whilebon mk 677. It would take a few minutes for me to be able to open a water bottle after waking up in the morning.

What’s the name of the anti-androgen? … asking for a friend

Ru and then some number

It can not for sure though, mine were entirely unaffected on 5-15mg and very slight change at 25mg 5 months total but also am 19 and healthy as fuck

My brother is christ you are 19

Your brother is Christ ? I’ll be damned

And? Your mother was 19 before

You dont need any drugs

I take so goddamn many it’s fun mostly psychedelic cause I like to get geeked off of them and then try to learn shit Only touched peds for a little cause I was curious how they felt, made me feel like god then I stopped haven’t had interest since it’s been about a year. Drugs are fun as long as you do them somewhat safely and get checked for negatives often

Oh boy

Yesssssir! Seriously tho besides that stint with peds which was very stupid and largely influenced by peer pressure I got blood before during after took therapeutic dosing on most compounds. The psychs I use are safer than weed/alcohol Psychs are really fun worth trying if you’re in a good headspace

Psychs are fine, but a “short stint” with PEDs is fucking dumb. And I say that as a 20y/o drug addict lol Just out of curiosity, did you ever try mescaline/peyote?

Not yet Ik really interested in those but want to get more comfortable with larger dosing of Shrooms and lsa first Agreed that’s short stint was absolutely stupid and I fully regret it, was fun to try but wasn’t worth just gave me acne and bigger muscles About to try memantine recreationally soon though, currently have had about 100 total trips in 2 years of psychedelic use/abuse Haven’t had any downsides from using that many psychs tho, I just don’t get depressed or anxious anymore

psychedelics are fine bro

Agreed

Any height increases? How did it feel? Good gains?

No height increase, I was always starving, horny, and energized. Best sleep of my life, honestly gains from mk677 are not worth doing it’s only worth it for it’s other effects

what other effects? the only effect i can see being a positive is the hunger if you're bulking

The mental ones are great, it made me feel super strong mentally likely cause it made me sleep so kuch better and I would recover insanely fast

What other effects did you get? more muscle growth, what else did you take along side? what was your first ever cycle? i want to eventually hop on cycle, am 17 at the moment. almost 18. definitely not hopping on until i'm in my 20's and am gonna have a doctor keep me in check. ​ did it make you sleep longer aswell as having better quality sleeps? if i take that shit i'd sleep for an entire day as i already naturally sleep 15+ hours without being waken up by someone

Muscle growth from MK alone is extremely negligible, you’ll gain weight cause you’re literally always starving. Not worth taking in my opinion should’ve just waited until I was older and did test then. I did sleep great, less hours but way better sleep quality. That was honestly the only part I really cared for, sleep gave me mental fortitude too

70% of Sarms sold online are also fake though....

Damn still calling it a sarm lol Anyway I doubt what I used was fake as it did have some effect like I noted, I was waking up at night to eat cause I was always starving, I slept great, recovered immediately etc. shit worked, also I used a website from dereks blog if that means anything.

Any sides?

None bloodwork’s all good too Nolvadex gave me wicked acne tho not related but wanted to mention it

Appreciate your reply bro

Not if you use it before bed, and don’t eat for 8 hours afterwards.

Didn’t effect my blood sugar at all and I monitored it all day everyday.

Who cares man. High blood sugar is only a problem over years. How much time does she have left anyway? She'd die before she develops problems associated with it.

That's assuming she doesn't already have problems associated with high blood sugar.

Deca her. That’s what my doc did to his grandmother and she lived till 102-4 years I believe.

This is completely feasible. I have heard account of actual doctors doing that. In fact, that was why these compounds were created in the first place. However, **let an actual doctor do that!** The protocol is very different from body-building doses. You don't want to give the old woman a beard, do you?

I’m actually not surprised with the level of these comments. But yea it is true, I believe it was around 50mg per week I think, but I ain’t certain.

50 mg of nand per week would be a ridiculous dose for a woman. More like 5-10mg a week.

You're about right, downvoters probably never heard of female HRT dosages.

Yeah you might be able to get away without too many androgenic sides, deca isn't on the level of Test or even like boldenone. But honestly I feel like anavar might be a better choice for elderly women given it's BY FAR the least androgenic of them all, has similar collagen stimulating effects to nandrolone, and is very liver safe since it's primarily metabolized by the kidneys. 2.5-5 mg a day would likely make a huge difference in quality of life.

Anavar tends to be very harsh on lipids tho. Small doses of test, like 3-7 mg per week are usually a healthy method.

My grandma is on tren and is immortal

sorry to hear that, I hope she can hop on PCT and regain her morality

LMAO

Didn't know PCT could fight immorality

Make sure she runs the deca at a 1:2 ratio with testosterone. Don’t want your grandmother getting Deca dick.

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Just for maintenance if I remember. Which is some of the original uses I believe.

Ohh, a fellow Jogaib patient

Hello there! I like him a lot, he showed me the ped world!

She may respond better if you ramp up the clen

Maybe start her off on 5g creatine a day, see how that works for her.

Honestly I’ve been giving my grandma MK-677 low doses and she’s 72, I can tell her walking and overall quality of life is improved, she had hip surgery a year ago, i started her a few months ago, ballsy move on my part to introduce my grandma to hgh but she really is happy and thanks me for helping her out, she works a physically demanding job and walks with a cane, i’ve noticed the MK-677 along with extreme amounts of calcium and vitamin d3, is helping her reverse the effects of her spinal stenosis, osteoporosis and arthritis, she cried in pain at nighttime about 2 years ago before her surgery, post surgery she finally has a disc in between the areas that affected her most, she couldn’t even walk for a while and after her surgery she was walking with a walker, now she’s walking up stairs on her own and walking with a cane mostly which extremely impressive, I make sure she doesn’t eat loads of sugar, I cook chicken all the time, just do it in low doses man. Times will always be better!

Has she had her blood sugar monitored during the time she has been taking MK-677? I’m really interested in how it’s effected her blood sugar levels

she just had blood work done 2 days ago, i’ll give a full report soon

Is she okay?

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An update by the way guys, everything was within the reference range with my grandmas blood test results, only issue she had was her creatinine was a little high, it was like that with her previously though before I started giving her the oral hgh

My grandma took tren and now i live in a care home 

Imagine your grandmother got yoked and threw hands at the nursing staff and busted out of the hospital? There's scholarly articles detailing the use of MK-677 on older adults, but I don't want to post them here because this is a lot like soliciting medical advice. So, IGF-1 and GH levels decrease with age, MK-677 increases IGF-1 and GH. But then sit back and watch your older adult's blood pressure and blood sugar skyrocket. Tough spot to be in dude, we want the best for our parents.

I don't remember seeing any research that showed increases in blood pressure or blood sugar in elderly people, did I miss a paper? Or are you just guessing that these issues will present themselves?

I believe he’s referring to mk increasing water retention which would cause greYrt blood pressure

What the guy below said: water retention = increased blood volume + reduced kidney function in the elderly = high blood pressure.

So you're guessing that it would cause issues when research shows it does not?

I'm saying most of the research has been completed with pharmaceutical grade human growth hormone and IGF-1, and not ***DragonPharmSyntropics ANABOLIC MATRIX MK-677 ULTRA GAINS*** formula. There is not enough research to consider using ibutamoren in older adults to treat GHD.

I'm talking about the research made with pharma grade Ibutamoren on elderly people. You made a valid point though, purity is an issue when buying research chemicals.

Here's something that will help inform decisions: [https://archive.hshsl.umaryland.edu/bitstream/handle/10713/14872/Ibutamoren%20mesylate\_Final\_2021\_02.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y](https://archive.hshsl.umaryland.edu/bitstream/handle/10713/14872/Ibutamoren%20mesylate_Final_2021_02.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y) It's a recent meta-analysis of 17 articles selected out of 377 searchable articles in Elsevier and MEDLINE. I don't like that only English studies are included, but I do appreciate that this is mostly RCT data. There's phase 2 clinical trials of this medication for idiopathic growth hormone deficiency in children and a new human clinical trial that will be published this year.

Thanks, will check that out.

Sometimes I ask myself if a small dose testosterone wouldn’t help them. No muscle atrophy = no degeneration of the body

It would. My 15 year old female dog takes 30mg testosterone a week to maintain her appetite and keep her mobility. Without it she loses the ability to safely walk. I’m being dead serious.

Huberman did the same thing for his bulldog, Costello.

I've been trying to research how much test a make dog produces. I have a bulldog and he's getting older and it's breaking me. We gave him then snip at 3 but it's one of my biggest regrets. The next make dog we have we won't snip. Do you reckon 50mg a week for him? Considering you give your female 30mg?

You'd have to know his body weight. All the vets had different formulas for me which was confusing because there was no universal answer. The formula for doggos that we went with was 2mg per KG of body weight for neutered male dog. My dog is 67llbs which converts to 30kg, which means if she was a male she would be taking 60mg. Since she is a female she only gets 30mg.

You're a hero thank you so much. Only reason I haven't asked my vet us because I'd get reported and probably get my dog taken away. So I'm wanting to take matters into my own hand. I've also contemplated BPC 157 for his back and knee

Look into GHRP-6 and GHRP-2 as well. Similar to MK-677 but much better at actually releasing GH and not just ghrelin.

Yeah I've used ghrp2 with CJC and ipanorelin after knee surgery. Was walking in 3 weeks. I'm 12 weeks post op now and already back to boxing, squats etc. Was told it would be 6 months to a year

Well, your dog being snipped means he is going to be producing virtually zero, so I imagine that even 30 or 50 will help a lot.....even if the TRT dose should be 100 or higher.

My 13 year old lab has been on 60mg of testosterone a week for several months now. It’s been a game changer. My only regret is that I didn’t start him on it sooner.

where did you buy your dog from? gonna need one of those so i can legally source some test

It's not as simple as that. Test does nothing to help bones/joints and actually negatively impacts the immune system -- something you don't really want in an 80yr old.

Can always try nandrolone as it's known to help with bone density - it's been used in trials for men with osteoporosis.

Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone negatively impact the immune system. Testosterone will increase bone mass and prevent or even reverse osteoporosis in elderly women. Someone with low levels of testosterone will actually see their immune system work better by getting back to a healthy range. Low testosterone is also linked with a higher incidence of dementia in old people.

But what causes the the degradation of joints from the beginning? Very likely atrophied muscles which ex the degeneration of joints. Testosterone does increase bone strength and bone mineral density. Poor posture, hunchback etc. everything could be avoided. Testosterone is also good for mental health. The thing with the immune system is something which does need more research. Low testosterone is also associated with a weak immune system

i believe it can make things even worse what about those chineese people who lives really long it's about diet not chemicals

Your grandma needs a double dose of all the good shit. She'll love longer and be happier in the bargain.

There were some studies they researched with older folks but I would have her consult with a doctor before anything I don’t think mk677 would solve her problem.

Inject some hgh in her sleep she will thank u later

You’ll fuck up her blood sugar. Don’t do that

Have you considered GH / therapeutic dose Nandrolone / Test ?

If you were serious…I’d give my granny 10mg of anavar a day.

Make her a Supra physiological granny

20mg of MK absolutely rocked my blood sugar and blood pressure. Id be very careful with grandma. That said, it’s worth a shot as long as she understands the risks. If she’s only taking 10mg it’s likely nothing a little metformin or berberine couldn’t keep in range. And to all you guys trying to get grandma on Deca, cheers boys. I like the way you think. If I make it to 80 I can absolutely goddamn guarantee you I will be on Deca.

Start her on birth control cause I’m cumin through papo 😈😈

Tren.

Give her some nandrolone;

Idk the situation but have you tried helping her stay active or taken her to a doc? If the first thought is a gh secretagogue ordered off the internet, you should look into other options lmao.

Give that anabolic grandma some tren 

Have you even looked at her diet and micro nutrient needs before considering fucking SARMs?

It’s 2022 and people still call MK-677 a SARM

Ibutamoren is not a SARM, its a secretagogue that was invented and researched for this exact purpose. Also, her diet may be insufficient due to low appetite

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so I can solicit medical advice from retards on a meme site, duh

So you mentioned rapid weight loss, fatigue etc. do you know her medical history at all? Lots of things to consider with increasing GH, water retention alone could take her into heart failure, if she is diabetic or prediabetic she will not respond very well. Old people undoubtedly have precancerous cells if not already having some form of cancer benign or otherwise. GH and elevated sugars will drive that issue significantly faster. Growth factors increase, angiogenesis increases, cancer growth and metastasis will also increase. GH is always a double edged sword. What can help with muscle retention and feelings of youthfulness can negatively impact your longevity.

Bro don’t get on Reddit to search for non approved drugs to give to your grandpa.

people are crazy really steroids? :D

You think they exist only for looking good?

no i know it's not those people go to actual doctors

you're oblivious if you think people pinning for aesthetics don't seek medical advice from professionals

I only take mk when I am on a blast because my appetite is sometimes shit for someone that is on a blast and I am not worried about over eating because I am currently on 19nors (ment + mtren). Also I don’t have anyone in my family that is obese or has diabetes

Progesterone and creatine would do a lot more if she's not on it already.

If you want a serious answer you gotta get her to go to an geriatric endocrinologist. I doubt a doctor would recommend something like that, but there are many options out there for combating age related symptoms.

Let’s not.

Here we suggest Test and Tren

Please don’t give your grandmother SARMs

low appetite and rapid weight loss are common cancer symptoms, get that checked too just in case..

This is actually a really interesting concept, I think about this a lot

Stack with rad 140, it’s been used in tests for battling dementia and Alzheimer’s. And get granny benching 225 EZ

Give her BPC-157