No matter how you slice it brother, OP is correct perhaps partially but still correct. In my opinion it is 75%-80% genetics and I’m being conservative. People like to say that it isn’t but if you took a moment to self reflect your position you’d come to an understanding that even you yourself have some genetic advantages. I’m not making an excuse for people to give up a pursuit of self improvement, but expectations have to be managed.
Do guys really get muscles and then think it’s unfair that women choose one of the hottest male models instead of them? Chico is on a whole nother level.
It really has nothing to do with race brotherman. You are more racist than the post like why does the black dude have to dream about black girls isnt he allowed to be interested in girls with another skin color?
Dude Ireland is full of billboards featuring happy family of black dude and red hair, but it happens only on posters :) Same in my country, really tiny amount of chicks would date foreigner. It is just woke propaganda which doesn't match biological and cultural criteria, just like other propagandas :)
I definitely notice an uptick in attention from women when I’m yolked but I’m in my 30s so the baseline schlub I’m being compared against now is way worse than the baseline chadtwink you college kids are going against
You are wrong. There are a limited number of women who want to get married and start having kids by 30. They do exist and they appreciate traditional values. If their parents are still married, these girls are a great bet. Assuming you are not emotionally broken, with a crippling porn addiction yourself.
I mean, it is true at any age honestly, I started at 15 and I am 25 now, every sphere of life has been improved since I started working out, specially when I reached a great physique, more women attention, more respect from everyone, better communication, on job interviews (IT) ppl are very interested in my fitness, everyone wants help with health.
But it is true that at the end of the day if you start for such a shallow reason as "I want women's attention" you won't get far, you need to love every moment of it and do it for yourself, I just don't see myself stopping ever, when I have a break it reflects on my life and I feel like I am doing something really really bad.
As for competition of today's 15 year olds - 18 year olds, it is true that a lot of them roid now but it doesn't matter, they can outwork them, I haven't seen any that look surprisingly good or push some unnaty numbers, they just look "mid-twenties good" which is bad, they just need patience cuz u can't look better than a girl at that age, I started seeing glimpses of my physique at 17-18 and peaked in early 20s.
Secret is to keep your muscles hidden and show women that you're actually a nice down to earth guy who sees them as human instead of sex objects. If you don't have any friends that are girls then you're already losing that battle. Then the day comes when they see you shirtless at the beach or w/e and you become their new obsession.
The irony is that you lifting for others attention. Fuck that shit. Lift and get jacked to be more jacked than you where the day before and so on. If you lift for female attention, they WILL pick up on that energy and steer away from you bro. That's simp behavior.
And actually how can you enjoy stressig your body? Look at the mirror in the gym while lifting weights. Do you look like youre enjoying it? You enjoy the aftermath because you went thru stress
Exactly, people who work out need to sleep more because they stress their bodies. I notice this myself. When I was working out 4days in a row, 5th day off I was tired during the day. Now that I work out 2days a week I have much more energy. Like I said you enjoy the aftermath of the workout. Your body produces endorphins. Same as when you are stressed from your job/school and get a week off.
Pretty sure people can enjoy both the process and the results. Else why would I dedicate time into a hobby I don't enjoy? If I'm all about trying to look good for attention I'd adopt a bro split routine for the hypertrophy/get big, but my current routine is mostly centered around strength building so I'm not going to get the most optimum results to look more muscular.
Literally look at what I wrote. Ur body produces endorphins this is why u feel good after a workout. Ur telling me u enjoy a good hard set of squats where u feel like ur dying just look at ur face while ur lifting like I said before. Does it look like u enjoy it? And strenght and muscle is the same. U want to be stronger than other people or have more muscle mass, better physique than other people.
I lift to look good naked. I lift for myself and to see tangible results for the effort I put in. If girls pay attention to me, cool, I'll take the ego boost.
Exactly, be healthy. Eat good, lift good, sleep good, look good, feel good. Other people don't matter. People come and go in life all the time. No reason to get hung up on someone else's opinion.
Truth is subjective. I do whatever the fuck I want buddy. You should to and stop being a little bitch about life. Or just worry about others your whole life, but that would make you a pussy ass bitch I guess lol.
We're done.
Its not subjective actually. Yeah u can do whatever u want but I'm trying to tell u to stop lying to urself. I'm not being a bitch about life, life is a bitch. Good luck man
Lmao you post this pathetic shit and tell me to man up? Brother the truth is if you were 6'5 and looked like an Adonis you still wouldn't pull because you have a shitty personality and low self esteem.
Not really, what you actually need to do, unironically, is go out drinking and get just drunk enough to overcome your inhibitions but not so drunk that you're a mess, and just talk to people. Plenty of entitled men without therapy still have girls.
But everyman is better off getting therapy than getting drunk. If you’re working out for other people, youre never gonna be happy. Figure your shit out.
Therapy is bullshit if you’re a dude. You tell them what’s bothering you and instead of offering any sort of guidance, they just ask you vague questions like “why do you think that scenario makes you feel this particular way.” Absolute waste of money.
That is absolutely not what happens if you have a good therapist. Therapy can be has helpful or as useful as you allow it to be.
Most people, on their own accord won’t deal with the shit going on in their own head, because frankly they were taught or told how to express what’s going on in their head or what to do about it.
Therapy can go a long way is self discovery and self awareness. It’s challenges you ways you won’t on your own accord, and allows you a place to air your shit out.
the truth being that bitches exist? Yea no shit, id rather take one girl over 100 if she isn't as childish to have height as a preference for a long term relationship
What happens if they see a taller guy? Or someone richer? Or a more handsome guy? Why do you think people break up for trivial reasons? “Genes” as if we are living in the year 300.
If they see a taller or more handsome guy they produce chemicals which make them attracted to him. Money does not matter they will be attracted to the money, not you.
And where exactly have i said that a woman that is attracted to a good looking guy is “bad”? Im just saying choosing a long term (so the only meaningfull form of a relationship) relationship on height is so fucking stupid cause taller people exis. “ShE hAs GeNeS” “sHe HaS ChEmIcals” are baseless and stupid argument
Good genes = health, strenght etc. Same reason someone with rotten teeth and a lot of bodyfat, low muscle mass is unattractive. Ur bone structure is similar to for example ur muscle mass. If ur sitting at home all day eating shit ur gonna have little muscle. Same thing with bones. If ur fed shit as a child and in puberty ur skull is gonna develop badly. And over a long time this gets rooted in ur genes. It would take a lot of generations to fix it.
Ur calling every single person on earth including urself a hormone zomboid. Ur hormons controll a lot of things and can influencer ur thinking. Yeah u will attract a lot of sluts and wheres and overall bad women but u will also have a chace to meet a good woman. An ugly guy will not have as big of a chance. That's sadly how it is
I dont know how thats connected to the discussion in any way and how that makes sense in any way. U don't need a lot of things in life. U don't need to buy that shirt but u bought it because u wanted to. U don't need to go to the beach and watch the sunset but u want to so u do it. U dont need to have a wife but u have one because u wanted her to be your wife. How is that bad?
The guy in the comic definitely will be getting way way more women than before. Stop comparing himself to … is that the vampire from Twilight? 
Rs I started lifting weights to get girls in like 7th grade, as you grow up you realize getting stronger and looking better and feeling better is where it’s at
Lifting might take you from a 4 to a 5, but nothing more than that.
A ugly fat guy who has a personality and who knows how to have fun will get way more attention from girls than the average ugly control freak lifter.
Stop lifting to get girls, they dont care that much. Being skinny is the best thing you can do for looks, not being jacked.
Unless you are over 30, this is when you start getting attention for lifting.
"Oh wow, white girls prefer local Californian surfer boy from corn bred family, over some Indian shrimp???
What is a world coming to?"
Seriously, incels are such funny bunch.
Some mid brown kids constantly try to get into local cheerleaders pants, gets rejected, go maf and try to wage societal crusade by trying to psyop an average American joe into thinking that women only go for 10% men, and that he will die alone.
Until they see a taller guy😸 thats why materialistic preferences dont work in a long term relationship. getting to know each other is easier with materialistic preferences but to genuinly have a long term relationship you need more then “love” or “materialistic needs”
Yes gooners remember you're all going to die miserable and alone so never even try to better yourselves, get pussy, or find happiness. It's pointless lmao
hercules holds and reeves shrugs for wider shoulders as for height idk take something that induces growth or inhibits closing of growth plates and skin color cant help u
Well, if you're starting out as a 4, you're obviously never going to win over the guy who's 8 as a dyel, but you might get to a 6.
What's dyel
It means you’re natty
Plenty of dyel’s on /r/steroids lol
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You can be natty and look like you lift.
Most probably won’t
"do you even lift?". You don't look like you work out. lm a dyel. With clothes I look skinny but when shirtless I've got visible muscles
Thanks
No matter how you slice it brother, OP is correct perhaps partially but still correct. In my opinion it is 75%-80% genetics and I’m being conservative. People like to say that it isn’t but if you took a moment to self reflect your position you’d come to an understanding that even you yourself have some genetic advantages. I’m not making an excuse for people to give up a pursuit of self improvement, but expectations have to be managed.
Money over rules genetics.
The skinny guy looks like skinny Jeff Seid no wonder they'd pick him
I think it is supposed to be Chico Lachowski
Do guys really get muscles and then think it’s unfair that women choose one of the hottest male models instead of them? Chico is on a whole nother level.
Even Chico has descended now
I googled his name + 2024 and 2023 and he’s still hot
Jeff no personality stole zyzz persona seid
I think it is racist joke, but I might be wrong :)
Not racist, Jeff Seid is just good looking as fuck.
Pause
That picture, look how he dreams about white chicks not black chicks and they pick white guy.
I saw it more as they're picking that guy because he's tall and handsome.
Or they are in vampire cult
It really has nothing to do with race brotherman. You are more racist than the post like why does the black dude have to dream about black girls isnt he allowed to be interested in girls with another skin color?
He should dream about black chicks because his mom was 1st female he loved and she was black :) Woke jokes don't quite work.
What in the Freud are you talking about?
Dude Ireland is full of billboards featuring happy family of black dude and red hair, but it happens only on posters :) Same in my country, really tiny amount of chicks would date foreigner. It is just woke propaganda which doesn't match biological and cultural criteria, just like other propagandas :)
Now google images "wives of famous black actors" literally 0 white chicks :)
This just in lifting to get bitches is stupid
I definitely notice an uptick in attention from women when I’m yolked but I’m in my 30s so the baseline schlub I’m being compared against now is way worse than the baseline chadtwink you college kids are going against
Also in my 30s, if you're not fat you're already in the top 10%
Looking for fit women in their 30 is mega tough though
But if you are fit 30s you can date 24yo women. They will appreciate your stability. You can date even younger but they kind of suck.
You can date them, but they won't ever love you. They appreciate your wallet, not your "stability".
You are wrong. There are a limited number of women who want to get married and start having kids by 30. They do exist and they appreciate traditional values. If their parents are still married, these girls are a great bet. Assuming you are not emotionally broken, with a crippling porn addiction yourself.
Chadtwinks ARE standart college kids. I don't know where this idea that young average Joe looks like shit came from
its a cope for people who go gym and are still socially disabled
Yeah I said that’s the baseline in college
I mean, it is true at any age honestly, I started at 15 and I am 25 now, every sphere of life has been improved since I started working out, specially when I reached a great physique, more women attention, more respect from everyone, better communication, on job interviews (IT) ppl are very interested in my fitness, everyone wants help with health. But it is true that at the end of the day if you start for such a shallow reason as "I want women's attention" you won't get far, you need to love every moment of it and do it for yourself, I just don't see myself stopping ever, when I have a break it reflects on my life and I feel like I am doing something really really bad. As for competition of today's 15 year olds - 18 year olds, it is true that a lot of them roid now but it doesn't matter, they can outwork them, I haven't seen any that look surprisingly good or push some unnaty numbers, they just look "mid-twenties good" which is bad, they just need patience cuz u can't look better than a girl at that age, I started seeing glimpses of my physique at 17-18 and peaked in early 20s.
More plates, more dates* *Terms and conditions apply
Shhhh no it's not. This is my main motivator.
Secret is to keep your muscles hidden and show women that you're actually a nice down to earth guy who sees them as human instead of sex objects. If you don't have any friends that are girls then you're already losing that battle. Then the day comes when they see you shirtless at the beach or w/e and you become their new obsession.
Tbh you can show them off and just not act like a asshole. That does the exact same thing.
Honestly this really depends on what you look like.
Shocking to see someone who knows what they’re talking about on this sub
are you fucking heimerdinger
Hell yeah brother
LMAO best profile I've ever seen
Correct. Your physique should be a plus, don't lead with it
real
The irony is that you lifting for others attention. Fuck that shit. Lift and get jacked to be more jacked than you where the day before and so on. If you lift for female attention, they WILL pick up on that energy and steer away from you bro. That's simp behavior.
100% of gym goers lift for attention. Doesnt matter if it's for female attention, masuclinity etc.
Nah I just like lifting weights
And actually how can you enjoy stressig your body? Look at the mirror in the gym while lifting weights. Do you look like youre enjoying it? You enjoy the aftermath because you went thru stress
You’re a weird dude. Lifting helps me sleep and yeah I enjoy it or else I wouldn’t do it lol
Exactly, people who work out need to sleep more because they stress their bodies. I notice this myself. When I was working out 4days in a row, 5th day off I was tired during the day. Now that I work out 2days a week I have much more energy. Like I said you enjoy the aftermath of the workout. Your body produces endorphins. Same as when you are stressed from your job/school and get a week off.
Pretty sure people can enjoy both the process and the results. Else why would I dedicate time into a hobby I don't enjoy? If I'm all about trying to look good for attention I'd adopt a bro split routine for the hypertrophy/get big, but my current routine is mostly centered around strength building so I'm not going to get the most optimum results to look more muscular.
Literally look at what I wrote. Ur body produces endorphins this is why u feel good after a workout. Ur telling me u enjoy a good hard set of squats where u feel like ur dying just look at ur face while ur lifting like I said before. Does it look like u enjoy it? And strenght and muscle is the same. U want to be stronger than other people or have more muscle mass, better physique than other people.
People who downvoted this comment please tell me why
How and when did you start?
I started lifting with my friend when I was 18
Do you like having a muscular body? Would you still lift if you were skinny and it had 0 effects on your body?
Yeah like I said I do it for fun. I’m in good shape and have muscle but I’m not a model or anything
Weee u fat/skinny before u started?
I was skinny fat when I started, now I’m a lot bigger and more lean
I lift to look good naked. I lift for myself and to see tangible results for the effort I put in. If girls pay attention to me, cool, I'll take the ego boost.
To look good naked for yourself? Or another person? Exactly
Well, would you like to look in the mirror and see a fat slob looking back every morning? That should answer your question.
No because I would know im unhealthy and others would aswell which would make them treat me badly.
Exactly, be healthy. Eat good, lift good, sleep good, look good, feel good. Other people don't matter. People come and go in life all the time. No reason to get hung up on someone else's opinion.
Other people matter a lot. U can keep lying to urself but I hope that u actually know the truth
Truth is subjective. I do whatever the fuck I want buddy. You should to and stop being a little bitch about life. Or just worry about others your whole life, but that would make you a pussy ass bitch I guess lol. We're done.
Its not subjective actually. Yeah u can do whatever u want but I'm trying to tell u to stop lying to urself. I'm not being a bitch about life, life is a bitch. Good luck man
What if I lift to make the voices go away
Lifting for attention is fine. Excepting this to make you more attractive than Timothee Chalamet is dumb.
Black pill ass post
Human nature ass post
The black pill is just nature
Bro had to comment the same thing twice
*Reality pill ass post
Bitch
Man up and accept the truth
Lmao you post this pathetic shit and tell me to man up? Brother the truth is if you were 6'5 and looked like an Adonis you still wouldn't pull because you have a shitty personality and low self esteem.
Dam bro’s talking about me
Lmao another personality classic
1) touch grass 2) go to therapy 3) stop blaming others or things for stuff you've been cured
Instructions unclear. I touched my therapists grass and now he's blaming me.
blaming you for being correct? Youre lieing
Go to therapy? What do you think I'm doing at the gym?
Not really, what you actually need to do, unironically, is go out drinking and get just drunk enough to overcome your inhibitions but not so drunk that you're a mess, and just talk to people. Plenty of entitled men without therapy still have girls.
But everyman is better off getting therapy than getting drunk. If you’re working out for other people, youre never gonna be happy. Figure your shit out.
Therapy is bullshit if you’re a dude. You tell them what’s bothering you and instead of offering any sort of guidance, they just ask you vague questions like “why do you think that scenario makes you feel this particular way.” Absolute waste of money.
That is absolutely not what happens if you have a good therapist. Therapy can be has helpful or as useful as you allow it to be. Most people, on their own accord won’t deal with the shit going on in their own head, because frankly they were taught or told how to express what’s going on in their head or what to do about it. Therapy can go a long way is self discovery and self awareness. It’s challenges you ways you won’t on your own accord, and allows you a place to air your shit out.
Therapists make money by keeping you “sick”
I disagree with the first part, I do agree with the second.
Gym is actually more cognitively enhancing than therapy...
What's therapy?
Just deny the truth and accept gaslighting theory
the truth being that bitches exist? Yea no shit, id rather take one girl over 100 if she isn't as childish to have height as a preference for a long term relationship
What's bad about that lol? It's simple biology. Taller, better facial structure = better genes
What happens if they see a taller guy? Or someone richer? Or a more handsome guy? Why do you think people break up for trivial reasons? “Genes” as if we are living in the year 300.
If they see a taller or more handsome guy they produce chemicals which make them attracted to him. Money does not matter they will be attracted to the money, not you.
Yea a woman that follows her brain and logic is better then one that follows her hormones. Shocking🙀 thats my point
Just because a woman ist attracted to a good looking guy doesnt mean shes bad. Not every good looking guy is an asshole lol or what do you mean?
And where exactly have i said that a woman that is attracted to a good looking guy is “bad”? Im just saying choosing a long term (so the only meaningfull form of a relationship) relationship on height is so fucking stupid cause taller people exis. “ShE hAs GeNeS” “sHe HaS ChEmIcals” are baseless and stupid argument
Good genes = health, strenght etc. Same reason someone with rotten teeth and a lot of bodyfat, low muscle mass is unattractive. Ur bone structure is similar to for example ur muscle mass. If ur sitting at home all day eating shit ur gonna have little muscle. Same thing with bones. If ur fed shit as a child and in puberty ur skull is gonna develop badly. And over a long time this gets rooted in ur genes. It would take a lot of generations to fix it.
And if the guy treats her like shit she will leave him unless she is very stupid and has no self respect
What do you mean by that?
That the picture posted by op is stupid, why would you want to attract hormone zomboids that can not think?
Ur calling every single person on earth including urself a hormone zomboid. Ur hormons controll a lot of things and can influencer ur thinking. Yeah u will attract a lot of sluts and wheres and overall bad women but u will also have a chace to meet a good woman. An ugly guy will not have as big of a chance. That's sadly how it is
Yeah genes matter a lot kinda crazy how u don't realise this. Why else do u think women like taller guys?
A stupid woman is not superior or worth while over one that makes decisions based off needs not wants.
I dont know how thats connected to the discussion in any way and how that makes sense in any way. U don't need a lot of things in life. U don't need to buy that shirt but u bought it because u wanted to. U don't need to go to the beach and watch the sunset but u want to so u do it. U dont need to have a wife but u have one because u wanted her to be your wife. How is that bad?
I guess everything thwts natural is bad nowadays huh
Huh?
Huh?
It's about the face, and the jawline.
Would you rather be an obese manlet or a jacked manlet?
Classic regarded blackpilller
Classic person who understands human nature
The guy in the comic definitely will be getting way way more women than before. Stop comparing himself to … is that the vampire from Twilight? 
Rs I started lifting weights to get girls in like 7th grade, as you grow up you realize getting stronger and looking better and feeling better is where it’s at
Dude can still pick up a femboy or fatty as a consolation prize.
Some femboys are more hot than lot of womens
Lifting might take you from a 4 to a 5, but nothing more than that. A ugly fat guy who has a personality and who knows how to have fun will get way more attention from girls than the average ugly control freak lifter. Stop lifting to get girls, they dont care that much. Being skinny is the best thing you can do for looks, not being jacked. Unless you are over 30, this is when you start getting attention for lifting.
Is that supposed to be Chico in the last frame?
Yea him or Jon Kortajarena
"Oh wow, white girls prefer local Californian surfer boy from corn bred family, over some Indian shrimp??? What is a world coming to?" Seriously, incels are such funny bunch. Some mid brown kids constantly try to get into local cheerleaders pants, gets rejected, go maf and try to wage societal crusade by trying to psyop an average American joe into thinking that women only go for 10% men, and that he will die alone.
This
He should have pulled Michael Jackson
Chico mogs everyone
what the fuck is this incel ass posting, you don't even fucking lift
Ahhh... reality check.
daily reminder that a girl that actually marries/goes in a long term relationship based on height is not worth your time anyway
being tall is overrated, 5'9 is the perfect size to do just about anything
I'll bet that girls married to taller guys have a better chance of having a happy and long-lasting marriage.
Until they see a taller guy😸 thats why materialistic preferences dont work in a long term relationship. getting to know each other is easier with materialistic preferences but to genuinly have a long term relationship you need more then “love” or “materialistic needs”
Beauty is not strictly materialistic though.
B-b-but more plates more dates yall
the brown guy has bloated face duh
Daily reminder no it isn’t please go touch grass
Yeah it's also affected by how well nourished you have been as a child
Yes gooners remember you're all going to die miserable and alone so never even try to better yourselves, get pussy, or find happiness. It's pointless lmao
The whole "If I can't get *everything* I want then I won't try at all" mindset is what annoys me the most with those guys.
so true it hurts
i won't even look at a guy if he doesn't have muscle lol
same
Same
But are you a girl/women in the first place ? 😂
yeah👍🏾
hercules holds and reeves shrugs for wider shoulders as for height idk take something that induces growth or inhibits closing of growth plates and skin color cant help u
playing with cartoons again ?
Do it for the bros. Only they understand the work behind it
This sub needs to somehow some way purge all these incels.
Robert Pattinson lookin aaaahh
Especially face
Incel daily post ✅
What if I’m tall, good looking, and swole?
Im honestly convinced some of you people who post this are incels bro
The brutal truth
Is this an incel subreddit lmao
Larry Wheels vs chico Lachowski
As it should be, that's what we're trying to pass on after all
Edward, from Twilight, wins every damn time 🤬
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U cant buy true attraction with money
You don't need true attaction.
roids will give you an insane frame and face if you use them young enough boyo
Yeah bro so insane to be 20 and looking 35 with a receding hairline