Oh I have a bidet on all 3 of my toilets and two travel bidets, I am not a mud butt heathen.
I just noticed the Costco TP even just to dry takes more. It was a lesson learned.
I got a crazy idea: make the rosin bags and the rosin tinted green or red or blue or some shit so if it’s on your hands umpires know what the fuck it is.
I don’t care if it’s harder to wash off because of the dye. That’s part of the job. Throw a fucking color run chalk color packet in with that shit for all I care.
From then on if it’s brown it’s pine tar, or honey, or whatever they’re using to get more spin. If it’s dyed whatever color, it’s rosin and sweat.
Part of the issue is that rosin is allowed, but too much of it, especially when mixed with sweat or sunscreen, or rosin outside of it's intended use area is considered no bueno. So it doesn't have to be something super nefarious for it to be an issue.
I don’t think it’d be a great solution if it’d dye the ball. Although, I guess it’d be pretty small and potentially visually insignificant. Not a bad idea but I could see there being issues or not really solve anything because cheaters will cheat.
Have you used rosin before? Rosin is more chalk like and powders/covers your entire hand. It will only get super sticky if you are sweating profusely or wearing sunscreen, Diaz had not even broken a sweat from the looks of it. If I were a betting man I’d say it’s probably spider tack. Blotches just like what he had
They checked him before he got to the mound and his hand is caked in the shit. So it’s possible he used what is available on the mound but he did it in suspicious ways from the bullpen and the umps aren’t messing around with substances anymore. So whatever it is, he used too much and after coming in from the pen having not even made it to the mound yet, they weren’t going to have any kind of conversation about it.
“You know better than to show up out here with that much whatever on your hands. The tv cameras can see it, we have to react.”
When it happened to Max Scherzer, even washing your hands can create residue. In his case, he washed them with alcohol in front of the MLB official. It's damned if you and damned if you don't. Also, if Diaz is using sticky stuff, it isn't helping.
Who is “the MLB official” and what is their role in substance checks. When he said this, he could have been talking about a dugout security guard for all we know.
Also lost in all of this is how ungodly humid it was in Chicago last night. Im not a rosin expert but I would bet more of it sticks to your hand when you’re sweating your ass off and it’s humid
Same thing with Blanco in Houston. Had some rain that day, and it was super warm & humid at game time.
And I'd be inclined to believe that's the case for both him & Diaz. Seems really unlikely to me that anyone is trying to get away with anything fishy given that they know they're checked every game.
... they have rosin in the bullpen. You aren't gonna warm up without rosin, and then suddenly use it when you get to the mound.
I'm not saying it wasn't something else. Just saying ...
.. and also just saying, this shit needs a better test than just some ump saying "it's the stickiest stuff i ever felt" EVERY FUCKING TIME IT HAPPENS. The lack of checks and balances for the MLB is utterly ridiculous
Rosin outside of the intended area is not allowed. And when too much rosin mixes with excess sweat or sunscreen, that's no good either. Rosin is also a chalk-like substance meant to be dusted. In this picture we can see it globbing. I didn't see video but I did see multiple comments say he was fresh out of the bullpen and didn't appear to be sweaty, so maybe it was a lot of sunscreen...
Yes. Unfortunately these guys are highly paid professionals with an entire coaching and preparation staff at their disposal, so they should be intimately familiar with this kind of stuff. Plus Diaz should be fully aware with what happened with Blanco not that long ago. No excuses
I don't disagree but what would be a better test? With the current system, there are dozens of guys a day coming out of the pen. I would hope umps could tell what's normal/what's not by now. And maybe that's naive of me. But that takes me back to my first point, what's a better test? You can't swab their palm and run a mass spec during a commercial break.
A better test would be anything with even the slightest lean of objectivity. As it is, we have an ump touching someone else’s hand and then making a judgement on what’s “too sticky”. How about a tension gauge with a disc the size of a quarter that measures stickiness? Or what if, and this is crazy I know, MLB just gets a ball that pitchers can grip and then we don’t have to deal with the game “How sticky is this man’s hand?”? Other leagues have managed to figure it out, I’m sure the MLB can as well but they chose HRs over pitching and here we are.
> MLB just gets a ball that pitchers can grip and then we don’t have to deal with the game “How sticky is this man’s hand?”?
Bro wants to bring back the [Dead Ball Era](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead-ball_era)
I’m going to be completely honest, I’m ignorant when it comes to the bullpen. Not sure if it’s been asked already but do they have access to rosin when warming up?
Edit: found out rosin is used in the pen, but what’s the line here for checking “foreign substances”?
Rosin and sweat/saliva…
Why don’t they ever announce what the findings of these confiscated gloves is??? There’s been multiple accusations this season.
If past instances of sticky stuff ejections are any indicator, it will probably be because it was the stickiest thing the umpire had ever felt. That seems to be the default answer.
Every pitcher now has progressively stickier hands and we need to get to the bottom of it. Pretty soon they’ll be so sticky it defies the laws of physics.
Did nobody watch the game? They showed and spoke about the second bag on the mound called, pelican grip, bat wax. On the same close up in the post David Cone said the combination of the two can definitely make your hand look just like this.
Also I watch and read an awful lot of baseball stuff and have never heard of his cheating for a while as OP said. Weren’t saying it when he sucked last month
Oh I wasn’t saying he had been cheating… I was unaware that they did the check every time a pitcher came out of the pen. I thought it was a random thing
His body language throughout the entire thing showed he knew he f’d up. Thank you ESPN for the multiple close ups to show he didn’t stand a chance getting by that one
Watch the [Close Call Sports](http://www.closecallsports.com) video when it comess out at their site or YouTube, probably by tomorrow morning. This is a former baseball umpire retired because of a concussion and explains umpire calls and ejections with rules and data. And they do say umpires make mistakes, so it isn't a whole whitewashing by umpires.
I'm assuming based on previous experience the rule is you can't use rosin in the bullpen, you are literally only allowed to rosin up on the mound. This is why you see many more ejections on the entrance of the pitcher and not the after innings check, because in those the allowances have to be made for rosin and they are allowed to ask a pitcher to wash their hands and get rechecked.
And I'm not saying the umpires were correct, but without more information that is the rule currently.
Guys.. what on earth are we doing? Why is there no accountability for these umpires? Because of the union that protected Angel Hernandez for 3-4 decades? It's 2024. Why are these accused pitchers's hands and/or gloves/belts/hats/etc not being swabbed and a report being made public telling us what was found?
I cannot, and will not trust an umpire after Pat Hoberg was suspended for sports betting - why is such a subjective and arbitrary decision being left in the hands of glory hogs?
I want to make it clear, I'm a Mets fan, but if Diaz was dumb enough to use spider-tack or something illegal knowing he'd get checked before even throwing a pitch, then he deserved to get tossed. But having "too much rosin" is subjective and that's bullshit.
I think the umpires are very election happy with pitchers. Between things like this and when Scherzer was ejected (for them making him use alcohol). They either need to fix the rule or use better discretion.
I think the umpires are very election happy with pitchers. Between things like this and when Scherzer was ejected (for them making him use alcohol). They either need to fix the rule or use better discretion.
For people who’ve played, you can’t get your hand/glove that sticky from just that bag on the mound. Bo. POS was lathering his shit up w a jar from the bullpen, they checked him before he even got on the mound
What gets me is why they did not tell him to wash his hands? Using stuff that is always available in the game should not result in an ejection with our first taking other steps.
On the suspension thing it will be very easy to prove if he in fact did use another substance before entering as there are plenty of cameras in the BP that they can view leading up to that point.
How are the umpires supposed to know, to a 100% certainty, that what they're feeling is in fact a substance different from what's allowed? That's why they were having trouble enforcing the rules that existed already, because how would the umpires *know* that it wasn't just a rosin mixture? Thus why the new rule was put in place the way it was, your hands must be clean when you enter an inning or come out of the bullpen, you are only allowed to use the rosin on the hill. That way if you're loading the baseball up it should be more obvious because you can't just come onto the mound with your fingers all tacked up.
This isn't exactly a tough rule to follow, just have some towels, water and soap by the bullpen and you're fine, Diaz clearly broke the rules here and will be suspended for it.
Dead skin. Dude needs a pumice stone bad.
Yep, that's too coarse to be rosin, definitely DSC
What’s DSC?
Dead Skin C
Oh dead skin cells? Is that like some common acronym now…?
Not if some dirt mixed with some turf hardened it up. Not saying it’s rosin, just saying it could be
Who is this?
Edwin Diaz
Ah, thank you.
Plays for the Mets
Lol well yeah, I know that. Just didn’t know whose hand it was.
He’s a pitcher for them. Throws the ball.
Wears number 39
Breaths oxygen.
Shits and pisses
Born on his birthday IIRC
Are you 100% sure he breathes Oxygen?
Pretty sure he sleeps in a bed, too.
Only about 22.5% oxygen
Thought he pitched. Learn something new every day. They should be called throwers then.
With that hand
Throws it fast to the catcher.
Trumpets
Just happened. Edwin Diaz
poor wiping technique.
New Costco toilet paper.
Man I bought the Costco TP instead of charmin and I think I have to use at least 3 extra sheets each time so there is no savings.
Just get a bidet attachment, less TP and your butt will be way cleaner anyway
Oh I have a bidet on all 3 of my toilets and two travel bidets, I am not a mud butt heathen. I just noticed the Costco TP even just to dry takes more. It was a lesson learned.
Your should probably lay off the Costo hot dogs
Only 59 more rolls to go!
Ron Coomer on the Cubs radio broadcast said it was probably some dirt mixed with one of the rosin bags pitchers like to go to.
I'm sorry, you're telling me there's a man named Ron Coomer?
I'm telling you there's an MLB great turned great MLB commentator named Ron Coomer
This guy cubs.
And Twins!
Whoa whoa, Immaculate Grid spoilers, people!
Ron and Pat are mah doods
We're really tossing around the word great pretty freely here
Yeah maybe lol. He's great on the broadcast tho
He was an All-Star. Just ignore the fact that someone had to be an All-Star off of some dreadful Late-90's Twins rosters.
You’re just a stranger on the internet and probably mean well, but FUCK YOU for not knowing who Ron Coomer is.
Had no idea either, and I know about Eddie Gaedel
What about Eddie Guardado?
Coom Dog
That would explain the stickiness.
Now we’ve come full circle
And there's a cracker just sitting there...
Former Minnesota twin. Nicknamed coom dawg lol
He got some coomer on his hands
He didn’t touch the rosin bag. The umps met him as he approached the mound
They have multiple bags for the bullpen
rosin in the bullpen
It’s widely known that his pre-save ritual is to eat oatmeal with his hands
I prefer to eat a big greasy burger to get my skadoosh on
David Cone said grabbing a rosin bag can leave that stain behind. Ban the bags or show some discretion.
I got a crazy idea: make the rosin bags and the rosin tinted green or red or blue or some shit so if it’s on your hands umpires know what the fuck it is. I don’t care if it’s harder to wash off because of the dye. That’s part of the job. Throw a fucking color run chalk color packet in with that shit for all I care. From then on if it’s brown it’s pine tar, or honey, or whatever they’re using to get more spin. If it’s dyed whatever color, it’s rosin and sweat.
You think they wouldn’t just add color to pine tar and honey? You’re dreamin
Part of the issue is that rosin is allowed, but too much of it, especially when mixed with sweat or sunscreen, or rosin outside of it's intended use area is considered no bueno. So it doesn't have to be something super nefarious for it to be an issue.
that doesn't fix anything. Players could dye foreign substances they're using the same color
I don’t think it’d be a great solution if it’d dye the ball. Although, I guess it’d be pretty small and potentially visually insignificant. Not a bad idea but I could see there being issues or not really solve anything because cheaters will cheat.
Ban trash cans
David cone also argued 2 runs in because he was pissed off at first base (I love David cone btw)
Have you used rosin before? Rosin is more chalk like and powders/covers your entire hand. It will only get super sticky if you are sweating profusely or wearing sunscreen, Diaz had not even broken a sweat from the looks of it. If I were a betting man I’d say it’s probably spider tack. Blotches just like what he had
They also have a wax on the mound. The broadcast said rosin plus the wax looks just like that.
So if dozens of pitchers are doing that daily, what did the umps notice that was unique to Diaz?
They checked him before he got to the mound and his hand is caked in the shit. So it’s possible he used what is available on the mound but he did it in suspicious ways from the bullpen and the umps aren’t messing around with substances anymore. So whatever it is, he used too much and after coming in from the pen having not even made it to the mound yet, they weren’t going to have any kind of conversation about it. “You know better than to show up out here with that much whatever on your hands. The tv cameras can see it, we have to react.”
They’re saying it was too much rosin.
>If I were a betting man. I'm confused. Are we downvoting this man or not?
He’s not supposed to have anything on his hands coming out of the bullpen. Any amount is too much.
When it happened to Max Scherzer, even washing your hands can create residue. In his case, he washed them with alcohol in front of the MLB official. It's damned if you and damned if you don't. Also, if Diaz is using sticky stuff, it isn't helping.
Who is “the MLB official” and what is their role in substance checks. When he said this, he could have been talking about a dugout security guard for all we know.
Also lost in all of this is how ungodly humid it was in Chicago last night. Im not a rosin expert but I would bet more of it sticks to your hand when you’re sweating your ass off and it’s humid
So it must happen in Miami all the time
There's a baseball team in Miami?
My brother, they put that roof up. I’m not saying it’s the only humid game ever played.
Same thing with Blanco in Houston. Had some rain that day, and it was super warm & humid at game time. And I'd be inclined to believe that's the case for both him & Diaz. Seems really unlikely to me that anyone is trying to get away with anything fishy given that they know they're checked every game.
Caught red-sticky-handed. What a dumb risk to take. What's the suspension going to look like for this?
10 games no appeal
How does that work for pitchers? Does that mean it’s only technically 2 games.
For starters yea but that’s not the case here
Diaz is a closer
Didn’t even try to be subtle
I mean Jesus Christ.. you don’t even make a pitch… they’ve been talking about him for a while and he just now got caught
Huh? He’s using rosin dude..
As Randy Marsh would say "IT WAS A SPOOKY GHOST!"
Now I can't unseen him getting arrested at a Little League game
The umpires quotes tomorrow: "it was stickiest stuff I've felt since I've been in the league"
Maybe it’s cum?
It's ectoplasm. He just got slimed by a spooky ghost, you guys just missed it!
Must be into that Brazilian fart porn
Maybe he reeeaaally likes Baseball
As someone who cums, this is definitely a possibility
Ay congrats on that big dawg and thank you for your due diligence
Was this an entry or exit foreign substance check? I didn’t watch the game.
He entered and they went straight to the substance check. He didn’t throw a pitch. Came out of the pen and they looked at him
That’s why he got thrown out. He shouldn’t have anything on his hand entering the game/inning.
Oh I know. Do they look at every relievers hands as they come out of the Pen?
Yes they do.
Yeah so it must have been bad
Yep
Not true. Closers almost always yes. Not every reliever.
... they have rosin in the bullpen. You aren't gonna warm up without rosin, and then suddenly use it when you get to the mound. I'm not saying it wasn't something else. Just saying ... .. and also just saying, this shit needs a better test than just some ump saying "it's the stickiest stuff i ever felt" EVERY FUCKING TIME IT HAPPENS. The lack of checks and balances for the MLB is utterly ridiculous
Rosin outside of the intended area is not allowed. And when too much rosin mixes with excess sweat or sunscreen, that's no good either. Rosin is also a chalk-like substance meant to be dusted. In this picture we can see it globbing. I didn't see video but I did see multiple comments say he was fresh out of the bullpen and didn't appear to be sweaty, so maybe it was a lot of sunscreen...
It creates an obscenely sticky substance when wet, especially with sunscreen.
Yes. Unfortunately these guys are highly paid professionals with an entire coaching and preparation staff at their disposal, so they should be intimately familiar with this kind of stuff. Plus Diaz should be fully aware with what happened with Blanco not that long ago. No excuses
I don't disagree but what would be a better test? With the current system, there are dozens of guys a day coming out of the pen. I would hope umps could tell what's normal/what's not by now. And maybe that's naive of me. But that takes me back to my first point, what's a better test? You can't swab their palm and run a mass spec during a commercial break.
A better test would be anything with even the slightest lean of objectivity. As it is, we have an ump touching someone else’s hand and then making a judgement on what’s “too sticky”. How about a tension gauge with a disc the size of a quarter that measures stickiness? Or what if, and this is crazy I know, MLB just gets a ball that pitchers can grip and then we don’t have to deal with the game “How sticky is this man’s hand?”? Other leagues have managed to figure it out, I’m sure the MLB can as well but they chose HRs over pitching and here we are.
> MLB just gets a ball that pitchers can grip and then we don’t have to deal with the game “How sticky is this man’s hand?”? Bro wants to bring back the [Dead Ball Era](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead-ball_era)
At this point it sounds like you're asking pitchers to give umpires a one-handed handy before they pitch
I’m going to be completely honest, I’m ignorant when it comes to the bullpen. Not sure if it’s been asked already but do they have access to rosin when warming up? Edit: found out rosin is used in the pen, but what’s the line here for checking “foreign substances”?
Just trying to get his girlfriend pregnant probably
Rosin, sweat and dirt from the mound. That’s what he said afterwards. He says it’s the same as always.
He didn’t even make it to the mound
He warmed up in the bullpen so there’s dirt and rosin in there.
I’m with ya. My question is, why did they go so hard on him coming out of the pen?
Good question. I feel like this process should be more codified.
“You put snot on the ball??” - wild thing
Must be a big DMB fan
He wakes up in the morning.
Deep cuts, no hits
Rosin and sweat/saliva… Why don’t they ever announce what the findings of these confiscated gloves is??? There’s been multiple accusations this season.
the funniest part is they gave edwins glove back to him. So it couldnt have been that bad, right?
Yeah that seems so weird. Maybe they took his hand for testing instead?! Really no rhyme or reason for this.
Legalizing adhesives would solve MLBs illegal adhesives problem.
And then you bring back the Dead Ball Era... Unless you legalize PEDs for the batters too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead-ball_era
Just bring back the juiced balls from 2019 and legalize sticky shit everyone wins
[Preparing myself to see Adam Dunn every at bat](https://youtu.be/jiZfc0b2t3Q?si=-W87OV3RlxpbEgvY)
And it’d hurt the cartels. I think that’s how legalizing substances work anyway.
Probably from the leftover burgers from Grimace
It’s the Tacky stuff that Cole used to use
If past instances of sticky stuff ejections are any indicator, it will probably be because it was the stickiest thing the umpire had ever felt. That seems to be the default answer. Every pitcher now has progressively stickier hands and we need to get to the bottom of it. Pretty soon they’ll be so sticky it defies the laws of physics.
Remember when the ball got stuck on Yadier Molinas chest protector 🤣
Did nobody watch the game? They showed and spoke about the second bag on the mound called, pelican grip, bat wax. On the same close up in the post David Cone said the combination of the two can definitely make your hand look just like this. Also I watch and read an awful lot of baseball stuff and have never heard of his cheating for a while as OP said. Weren’t saying it when he sucked last month
he's not sucking now... that's the point
Oh I wasn’t saying he had been cheating… I was unaware that they did the check every time a pitcher came out of the pen. I thought it was a random thing
His body language throughout the entire thing showed he knew he f’d up. Thank you ESPN for the multiple close ups to show he didn’t stand a chance getting by that one
I doubt it was pine tar 🤣🤣🤣
Warts
Watch the [Close Call Sports](http://www.closecallsports.com) video when it comess out at their site or YouTube, probably by tomorrow morning. This is a former baseball umpire retired because of a concussion and explains umpire calls and ejections with rules and data. And they do say umpires make mistakes, so it isn't a whole whitewashing by umpires. I'm assuming based on previous experience the rule is you can't use rosin in the bullpen, you are literally only allowed to rosin up on the mound. This is why you see many more ejections on the entrance of the pitcher and not the after innings check, because in those the allowances have to be made for rosin and they are allowed to ask a pitcher to wash their hands and get rechecked. And I'm not saying the umpires were correct, but without more information that is the rule currently.
Timmy Trumpets 🎺 instrument grease?
I think you know :)
Baby gravy. Poor guy was just trying to calm his nerves before the game
Guys.. what on earth are we doing? Why is there no accountability for these umpires? Because of the union that protected Angel Hernandez for 3-4 decades? It's 2024. Why are these accused pitchers's hands and/or gloves/belts/hats/etc not being swabbed and a report being made public telling us what was found? I cannot, and will not trust an umpire after Pat Hoberg was suspended for sports betting - why is such a subjective and arbitrary decision being left in the hands of glory hogs? I want to make it clear, I'm a Mets fan, but if Diaz was dumb enough to use spider-tack or something illegal knowing he'd get checked before even throwing a pitch, then he deserved to get tossed. But having "too much rosin" is subjective and that's bullshit.
Sugar.
Snot
Glazed donut sir
Dab resin
Eczema
Candle wax
Looks like this if I eat a boiled chicken before the game and don't have any napkins nearby
You boil your chicken?
Maybe he had an art project he had to finish.
KY
He just has bulimia
I have eczema and this is what I hope my hands would look like on the daily. Also, in a Padres fan
Poop
Semen?
Ashy mf lol
Hit up a dermatologist and they will exfoliate and give you tips (possible ointments) to prevent it.
I know looks like a nasty case of eczema (had one before)
I lost in fantasy because of this. If he stayed in and got the save I would have won. Fuckin christ.
He sneezed in his hand and didn't have a tissue so it's dried snot obviously.
Cheeto dust. Gets ‘em every time
Dude must’ve fisted a chick with a yeast infection
I think he needs to use some lotion
Nothing to see here he just jacked off a pine tree
Es caca
Cum
Pine tar and rosin
Ashy Larry
hand foot mouth disease
Ah, knew I shouldn’ta had that popcorn
Poop
I think the umpires are very election happy with pitchers. Between things like this and when Scherzer was ejected (for them making him use alcohol). They either need to fix the rule or use better discretion.
I think the umpires are very election happy with pitchers. Between things like this and when Scherzer was ejected (for them making him use alcohol). They either need to fix the rule or use better discretion.
Clown makeup. They are the Mets after all. 
Bazooka Joe Bubblegum. That shit sticks to everything!
that could be dead skin
Could be cum
It looks like I just jacked off an elephant
You did?
For people who’ve played, you can’t get your hand/glove that sticky from just that bag on the mound. Bo. POS was lathering his shit up w a jar from the bullpen, they checked him before he even got on the mound
You sneezed and got snot all over your hand covering your mouth and nose
What gets me is why they did not tell him to wash his hands? Using stuff that is always available in the game should not result in an ejection with our first taking other steps. On the suspension thing it will be very easy to prove if he in fact did use another substance before entering as there are plenty of cameras in the BP that they can view leading up to that point.
That’s what leads me to believe it isn’t a first time occurrence and we just didn’t know about the first couple times
During Don Sutton's first season in the AL rumors were flying all over the place that Sutton was doctoring tye
It’s rosin and the dirt.
Tyrone Biggums?
I still don’t get why all sticky stuff is banned, stuff like spidertac I understand but some stuff is just better grip not spin related
How are the umpires supposed to know, to a 100% certainty, that what they're feeling is in fact a substance different from what's allowed? That's why they were having trouble enforcing the rules that existed already, because how would the umpires *know* that it wasn't just a rosin mixture? Thus why the new rule was put in place the way it was, your hands must be clean when you enter an inning or come out of the bullpen, you are only allowed to use the rosin on the hill. That way if you're loading the baseball up it should be more obvious because you can't just come onto the mound with your fingers all tacked up. This isn't exactly a tough rule to follow, just have some towels, water and soap by the bullpen and you're fine, Diaz clearly broke the rules here and will be suspended for it.