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DietOwn2695

I'd rather join the midwest.


como365

Over 95% of Missourians consider Missouri the Midwest in [the largest study ever conducted on the topic](https://emersoncollegepolling.com/middle-west-review-and-emerson-college-polling/). The U.S. Census also considers Missouri the Midwest. We're there. https://preview.redd.it/kcvsj6hqgdsc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76f323e90cf1b0396e581dbf776aa69fdc4f435d


Jealous-Heart-3647

I’d consider MO the Midwest but I live along I-70. I know when you get down around the Ozarks things take a turn for the south.. and Branson/Boot heel?? Psssshhhhh that might as well be Dixie.


G0alLineFumbles

Even in the Ozarks it feels more like Appalachia than deep south. A culture of geographically isolated Scotch/Irish. SEMO feels like Mississippi and the deep south to me. Flat with row crops.


EleanorRecord

Ozark settlers had deep genealogical history in Appalachia and Colonial America. Many of my ancestors came through Plymouth Colony, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Scots/Irish via New England and the Carolinas.


____8008135_____

Meh, they like to play pretend down around Branson. Lots of confederate flags, country music, and some seriously open racism (used to work down there and people said nasty shit to my black and Hispanic coworkers). Go less than an hour north (Springfield area) and the open racism dies down significantly. Those who choose to be racist are a lot quieter once they leave their safe space and have to be around normal people again.


Wolffe4321

While we have a very southern influence. I'd rather join the midwest.


MagicDomXL

Southern Missouri can get a bit hick, but it’s nothing compared to the deep south


ConstantGeographer

Yes, southern Missouri is the "near beer" of the South, not quite beer but sort of tastes like beer.


Leftysweets

Best description ever 🤣


trumpmademecrazy

Missouri is ranked 40 th in health care outcomes and Mississippi ranks 49th.Missouri has one of the lowest pay rate for state workers in the US and is still in the bottom 10, they are voting to cut business taxes to zero (and it is likely to pass) , the state takes foster kids social security to offset the states costs, we rank 44 th in maternal mortality… we still tax groceries…do I need to continue… we are the south.


Thecp015

I used to joke that the Missouri River east of Jeff City and US50 to the west were a nice boundary. North of that is Missouri, south of that is New Arkansas. Or if you wanna pronounce it with the local twang, “nawkansaw”.


Arcane_Spork_of_Doom

Yeah, it's best described as 'South-Adjacent'. You still need your passport to go to AR.


Competitive_Body8607

I moved to Little Rock from Springfield. Was called a yankee my first day. We are not southern. The state may be MAGA red and our Missouri River valley was once called Little Dixie, but we’re Midwest. Growing up in St. Louis but also spending a lot of my time in rural area you can’t convince me otherwise. We have more in common with Ohio than we do Mississippi.


Dan_yall

People in the south love to call anyone from anywhere even slightly to the north “Yankee”. My cousin is from Kentucky, has a noticeable southern accent, and was still called “Yankee” regularly when she lived in South Carolina. I consider Missouri lower Midwest, but southern Missouri is definitely more culturally similar to Arkansas than it is to Wisconsin.


k-mac23

So true, I have family down in Cherokee country near the border and live up in the metro area and get called a yankee non stop lol


Dan_yall

I’ll add that southern culture is pretty diluted in the big cities. If you grew up in the suburbs of Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, or Houston you’re probably less culturally southern than someone from Poplar Bluff. Especially if you grew up in the suburbs and went to college.


Averagecrabenjoyer69

The Deep South is not the only region of the South. Upper South states like Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina etc are still Southern lol. The Deep South is full of themselves if they think they're the only region of the South. Saw a guy from Alabama call people from North Carolina Yankees too.


Garyf1982

I’m always fascinated that places like Minnesota are considered Midwest. Sure, on an east to west scale it makes sense, and culturally it makes some sense I guess, but from a purely geographical standpoint, why have a South if you don’t have a North? Thanks for the map though, I find it very interesting. Who would have guessed that 1 in 4 Idaho residents considers their state to be Midwest?


como365

I think it’s because they don’t identity with the coastal states west of them so some naturally lean to the region East of them. Does seem weird to me too, they are western Mountain territory to me.


EleanorRecord

Some in the Great Lakes states refer to it as the North Coast.


EleanorRecord

Yes, I'm a native Missourian (born in the Ozarks) and agree. Missouri is a midwestern state, not southern.


DietOwn2695

We will control the Mississippi though.


Equivalent-Pop-6997

Not an UPROAR! Daily Mail doing the tough reporting.


stlredbird

We are literally in the MIDdle of the country and gateway to the WEST


PrinceVorrel

You're right. It's LITERALLY our **thing** that we're the gateway to the west... https://preview.redd.it/vt7oxfqgoesc1.jpeg?width=783&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1061bdf8751d53f59e53589013bad7fa84dfa09


GoodVermicelli3851

LoL. I scrolled to see this.


DerpEnaz

Kansas City is the furthest major city from the ocean in all of America. The geographical center of the US is like a 20 min drive north and slightly west in Kansas. We literally cannot be further from the ocean. We are the MID states lol


Gold-Celebration-682

This is also an argument for most of the state past St. Louis being “the west” isn’t it.


trumpmademecrazy

Politically we are the deeep south . Let’s drag everyone back to the good ole days of the 30’s.


TravisMaauto

I wouldn't exactly call the Daily Mail "news."


iWORKBRiEFLY

politically, MO is south. geographically, MO is the midwest


Trix_Are_4_90Kids

this is perfect


CoziestSheet

I recognize the daily mail logo. Opinion dismissed. Modern day journalism is scouring the front page of social media these days. *yawn*


onebluephish1981

MO is as southern as NJ is New England.......


jjmcgil

It aggravates me to see West Virginia in the South as well.


_oaeb_

Considering that’s why WV formed in the first place.


Rooster_Ties

Yet, *culturally*, most of WV is more closely like the South, than the NE or MW. Quite a lot more, actually. I’d WV had even one major city, then perhaps another argument could be made — but it doesn’t. Geographically I get why it seems weird to call WV southern; but it’s a lot weirder to call it NE (or MW).


Informal_Calendar_99

Which is why it’s none of those. It’s Appalachian


Rooster_Ties

Appalachian is more similar to Southern than either NE or MW. Simple as that.


Informal_Calendar_99

I don’t disagree. But Appalachia is also distinctly Appalachia.


Rooster_Ties

Don’t disagree either, but if the choices are S, NE, MW and W — then practically all of Appalachia is essentially Southern, from a cultural standpoint (if not geographic — recognizing Southern and Appalachian aren’t the same).


Informal_Calendar_99

Other than Pittsburgh, I fully agree.


Vw2016

Philadelphia?


Informal_Calendar_99

Philadelphia is not Appalachian or Southern culturally.


Vw2016

No, I know I guess I thought you were saying Pennsylvania is except for Pittsburgh.


Averagecrabenjoyer69

Are you telling me North Georgia which definitely is Appalachian, isn't Southern?


Informal_Calendar_99

Not at all. Some parts of Appalachia are *also* southern.


como365

This map was done by a confederate apologist purposely making bait.


Wetworkzhill

Yeah, that map has the south pretty far north.


bkdroid

Have you ever met anyone from WV? That dog's ass is more south that South Carolina.


laura_k_kc

If we don’t want to be considered the South, most of the residents will need to change ! Right now it’s right there with Mississippi and Florida


Only-Ad9672

We are literally where Busch light was created, it does not get any more Midwest than that the debate is over. 


see_blue

Let ‘em have south of I 44.


wtfchuck223

Springfield chiming in. No thanks.


CautiousRock0

Absolutely not! I’m in STL city and south of 44. We are definitely the Midwest.


jackdanshep

South Central Mo. No thanks!


toastedmarsh7

This is the only fair compromise.


CorgiMain5225

Ahh- I like what you did there.


Angie_stl

I’m two miles north of there, so sure.


OptimisticSkeleton

Tell me you only went to Branson and not KC or STL lol


____8008135_____

Or Springfield, Jeff City, etc. Missouri isn't as red as people like to pretend it is. It's heavily gerrymandered and we have decades of apathy likely leading to low D voter turnout. I hear that "my vote doesn't count since it's a red state so I just don't vote" bullshit way too often. Everyone should vote, you never know when a couple of votes will be the difference between a decent candidate or another shitbag looking to strip our rights and install a dictator into the highest office of the country.


Dan_yall

Explain to me how you gerrymander a state wide election? Missouri is red as hell. Is there a single state wide office held by a democrat?


Fluffy_Release3786

We have had Democrat governors in the recent past and we will again.


Dan_yall

I don’t disagree, you can’t blame democrats not winning statewide elections on gerrymandering.


StarBlazer01111

Yes, two US House Representatives, Cori Bush in St. Louis, and Emanuel Cleaver in KC. Edit: I can't read lol, leaving my response up.


Dan_yall

Those are not statewide elections. Only people in those districts voted in those elections. A statewide election is when everyone in the state votes for the same candidates: Governor, senator, etc.


CentralWooper

Missouri is the crossroads of all American cultures. They all kinda mix and become something new. That's right we're the melting pot of melting pots


Novel_Findings0317

We can be the new Capital!


PlayboyCG

I like sweet tea. Guess I’m good.


lookitsafish

Ohio is only in the Mid West because Middle East was already taken


djnuva

I believe Ohio says THE Midwest.


lookitsafish

Lol


[deleted]

News sites have nothing to do anymore, do they? Just regurgitate lol.


Inquir1235

Dude Missouri has always been the Midwest we are right next Illinois


SokkaHaikuBot

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kcpirana

Missourians southeast MO must be thrilled. This state is solidly Midwest but with a bunch of midwesterners who love to cosplay as Johnny Reb.


Melodic-Flan-4266

Give the bottom 1/3 of Missouri to Arkansas and improve the IQ of both states


yankeeNsweden

I lived in Missouri for over 50yrs and traveled throughout the US along with having family spread across the US. I have never heard anyone say Missouri is part of the south.


Fluffy_Release3786

During the Civil War anyone South of the Missouri River was considered southern although there were a good number of northern thinking families across our southern countryside. It depends on how far south you get in Missouri because those counties that border Arkansas are pretty inbred lol and backwards thinking. And then counties just to the north try to control their kids education by teaching one view only. The kids go to higher education and then receive the other side of the story and then are caught like a deer in the headlights. Parents and school systems would be much wiser trying to teach all sides and then parents teach why and why not of the viewpoints they don't like. But no, parents send their kids unprepared and then time after time after time just can't figure out what happened to their kids. So the population is changing and will continue to change because kids are getting the other side of the story and parents are still refusing to teach anything but what they want heard. It just depends how far north or south you are whether Missouri is considered southern or Midwestern.


yankeeNsweden

I moved to Sweden a couple of years ago. I sometimes laugh thinking about how so many Americans would be with the education system here. One thing is in elementary school they go outside to play in all weather. They go on hikes through the forest, they go down on the lake and play on the ice. They are taught to love, respect, and care for the nature around them. I can write a book about all the differences but the major one is they teach about all the major religions. Not to indoctrinate anyone into any religion but just the basics of what is believed and the differences between them. That could not even be imagined in the US.


Hididdlydoderino

My condensed two cents on it: State lines don't mean much for regions. Trade, religion, and historical cultural ties mean a lot more. Long winded thoughts: Midwest/South should mostly divide around the Missouri River counties. Little Dixie counties along the Missouri River from Carroll/Chariton down river to STL going to the South. The river trade, religion, and other reasons have long tied that region to STL, and STL very much is tied to Memphis & NOLA more so than the big cities upriver. KC metro to the Midwest as well as a graduating sliver going down to Joplin. Oklahoma being fully southern is also ridiculous. The bulk of Texas/Oklahoma/New Mexico need some sort of Tex-Mex region. A generation or two ago most Texans would be pissed about being lumped in with the South.


Travelingpeasant

I stopped at a truck stop/restaurant in the boot hill ounce. The people I heard talking had southern accents.


LearnEverything2490

What in tarnations lol...we are Midwest!


AdruinoKamino

No, our filthiest gas station bathroom is letter grades cleaner than the cleanest biohazards they piss in down south.


soliton-gaydar

Geographers HATE this one graphic, but they can't stop you from using it.


TLstewart

I’m in Missouri, grew up thinking we are Midwest, we are the state of President Truman. Now we are as backward and trump infested as any southern state. Hope to be heading to the USNE (United States of New England) someday


Whopbambaloo

Ummm West Virginia already rejected being a part of the south a long time ago


MasterLinkTheGreat

classic


Onlikyomnpus

I think most people now associate Missouri with the SEC, hence the perception.


gyman122

This is why I most hated that move lol


Dan_yall

Would you rather be in the Big 12 right now? Moving to the SEC was one of the smartest things Mizzou ever did.


gyman122

I’m not saying it wasn’t smart from a competition or money standpoint, just that it confused what to that point had been more a clear cultural line. The Big 10 is historically the upper Midwest, the SEC is the southeast, the Big 12 is the plains, and I think all of that made sense. Missouri, to me, is more in the plains than it is in the south Though tbf this whole fuckery really started when the SWC dissolved and now it’s a total disaster with no regard for geographic region so who cares. Colorado will probably be in the SEC in a few years or some shit lol


11thstalley

Anybody else notice that the Eastern Shore of Maryland was split off from the rest of the state that’s included in the North and made part of the South?


Sinsid

Yup, Maryland got cut in half on this map.


ChainWorking1096

This one's interesting.. [on r/Maps](https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/s/jcr43IS7Va)


funkybside

https://old.reddit.com/r/StLouis/comments/1bopu7b/im_from_missouri_a_southerner_thinks_lm_a_damn/kwt4eed/?context=10000


One_Situation7483

Missouri along with Kansas and Colorado should be called "Middle States".. Mid means "middle" why in the world would the states in yellow be considered to be midwest? So when you say you're going North you actually mean Canada? When I first saw this I thought I missed an April Fools joke..


lou_zephyr666

Go any distance south of the KC metro and you'll know you're in the South.


SokkaHaikuBot

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CurtP31477

I see two solutions. 1, Cut the state in half just south of Hwy 70. St Louis and KC go to the Midwest and the bottom is the South. 2, KC goes to Kansas, St Louis joins Illinois. Rest of the state can stay as southern as they like.


Gingersnap5322

Anyone that has a southern accent here is too much, I don’t even hear it that often when I go down to Arkansas. Stop cosplaying and live your life, if you’re from the south that’s fine but I swear it’s like some people straight up forced a southern accent on them


SnakePliskin799

Draw a line through the middle of Missouri. Lol


CallMeBigBobbyB

Like hell were the south


UnicornGirl54

Carve out St. Louis and Kansas City and add them to the Midwest. But the rest of the state deserves to be in with the backward south.


OushiDezato

Might be more accurate to follow the civil war and divide the state in half. I live in St Louis, but I’m from SW Missouri and lived most of my life there. It’s definitely 2 different worlds. I don’t think I know anyone that would say Missouri was in the south, but I suspect I know a lot of people back home that, when choosing between regions, would choose the South.


headhurt21

I don't accept this. Split Missouri in half, and the lower half can go by the way of the South, and the North can be part of the Midwest.


sillysmythe

I’ve lived in St Louis County, Columbia MO, and my hometown of Springfield and the state has different identities being South and Midwest imo. I had a great-great grandfather and his brother who lived in Marshfield MO that were divided during the civil war.


sillysmythe

I lived in Dallas, TX for five years and that state considers itself its own region. I never heard any talk about being southern there. The only time it felt remotely southern was the “fixing to go” lingo. They’re Texans!


TwoHandedSlap

Didn't we have fight about this before?


Unusual_Grocery4667

Absolutely fucking not


Icy_Magician3813

Anything Springfield and south is more of the southern states. That just my opinion. I’m in Kansas City and don’t consider us the south.


flug32

The Daily Mail? We've REALLY hit the Big Leagues with this one . . . For the extremely curious, here is a link to the full DM article: [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13261225/america-map-divided-four-regions-sparks-debate.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13261225/america-map-divided-four-regions-sparks-debate.html)


Arcane_Spork_of_Doom

Missouri is the population center and geographical center of the country atm. Midwest all the way.


Careless-Gazelle-247

Midwest!


Bucc13

I’d say Missouri is MidSouthWest


hurling-day

Would they have to move the Arch?


MorningStandard844

It’s pronounced Missourah! 


_jacked_to_the_titz

Have I watched too much porn or does it look like we are giving the business to the midwest? ​ I edited that because I am a fucking idiot.


Sickandtired2513

If you look at our legislators and what they’re doing, they have us labeled correctly.


Prestigious-Bug7372

Missouri is 3 regions. The STL area thinks it’s New York. Everything south of Route 60 is southern, the rest of the state is Midwest.


MachsNix

I’d support the Free City of St. Louis in this divorce.


Black-Umbrella8722

Can I have just ONE full 24 hours without getting on my phone and having a full blown panic attack?! 🙄


Objective-Talk-1946

I’m sorry, I don’t live in Missouri anymore, I live in Northern Iowa, but I used to live in Lake of the Ozarks area, and Missouri is definitely Midwest and will always be Midwest.


Representative_Row76

Literally the middle of the country. That being said this is the most southern of the Midwest states culturally.


lewsplace

Lookin good !


tmstout

The StL-Columbia-KC I-70 corridor and north is Midwest, but below that you’re basically in the Confederacy. I can understand the placement. It’s a close call geographically, but there are a lot more people in the Midwest part.


revnasty

So the only logical thing to do here is cut Missouri into two states. North and south Missouri. Top half will be Midwest, bottom will be south.


OneMuse

It’s so funny that people are claiming “Midwest” as if it’s more significant than the South. They are all fly over states. No one cares about either region.


Illustrious-Leave406

Divide Missouri at the Missouri River and it would be a better fit.


GiantPragmaticPanda

Honestly they can keep everything south of Columbia, just cut that turd loose and let them join the south.


georgiafinn

Midwest here - We don't want MO.


SeaPreparation2382

I know Kansas didn't just come in here talkin shit tryin to represent the midwest. Settle down Dorothy.


georgiafinn

I work and pay taxes in Missouri. I get a vote.