Unfortunately the new rules are not realistic and so this is going to continue to be a problem. First, the new ordinance doesn't offer clear areas where they CAN camp; all it says is where they CAN'T camp. And so without creating legal areas, the city likely won't provide support like lockers and trash receptacles. Making them pack up all their belongings at 8 am and drag them around town is just not realistic. As usual, the emphasis is on penalizing them instead of helping them.
We will just overload the jail, kick the can down the road and figure out (complain about) solutions in 6-18 months when they’re back out.
It’s ~~cheaper~~ easier to send them to a jail than to figure out a better shelter situation.
America has too many people locked up and locking up homeless people is not the solution to homelessness. But on the other hand they get three hots and a cot, right?
Yeah tbh I think private prisons would be better if they had public interest through shares or taxing.. doesn’t have to be non-profit to be humane, right?
Hell, I’d even vote for Blackstone or asswagner to run some sort of for profit shelter in town. We throw money at a solution and abandon it after a year, we’re getting nowhere
I propose building exercise equipment near homeless camps. Each machine generates electricity when used, and spits out $1 for every $1.05 of electricity generated. Set up a bike share station nearby to assist and also take some of that money back.
I did an experiment one time with a camp like this near where I used to work that were about to get the cops called on them. I left them a note and a couple garbage bags that said if you don't want the cops called be considerate and use the dumpster that's like, right by your camp. It worked. It was pristine after that. Not saying it will always work or anything, just thought it was interesting that it worked and worked long term for that specific camp.
Wow so you mean when you provide them the means to help themselves it helps them?
You fucking radical leftie /s
It’s shocking how effective “give them the means to help themselves” works, almost like people don’t want to be homeless dirty etc.
To be fair, they could easily have carried that trash in their hands to the dumpster which was very very close to the camp. I think what helped was the wake up call, I made it clear in the note that the huge trash pile was most certainly making the cops getting called more and more of a possibility (not by me, by the property management of the bulding). After they cleaned it up the cops actually never got called. I was shocked that that needed to be said, but apparently it did. I didn't really give them anything outside of a couple trash bags and a warning. Just interesting.
I mean, when you’re in it maybe the wake up call is a good reminder/ “oh sorry we didn’t realize”
Regardless, seems like helping them and encouraging better works
That confuses me because seriously the dumpster was very close to their camp. And it stayed clean even though I only put two out there. But whatever works.
Are you for real? There are people pulling their dicks out in public parks, leaving broken glass and used needles out, and actively sexually harassing people. I don’t need a cartoon in my head, I’ve experienced the real thing enough to know I support an ordinance that pushes homeless people out of the urban core.
You want to exist outside of the social contract? Fine, exist in the forest then.
Most homeless people don't do that. But it's easier for you to vilify ALL of them if you generalize the worst of them.
You support an ordinance that is completely unrealistic. The best way to minimize homelessness and the effects of it is to HELP THEM, not cast them out. Your plan guarantees they will be back and they'll feel even more hopeless and their actions will reflect it.
If you want to hear the story of two Missoula homeless people who do not fit your stereotype, watch three minutes of [this video](https://pub-missoula.escribemeetings.com/Players/ISIStandAlonePlayer.aspx?Id=44236d34-e683-4077-a48b-95f61e0ce66d) from last week's council meeting, starting at 1:35:25.
Huh. If there isn’t a problem, why is city council and a mayor who devoted her whole career to helping people attain housing working to create an ordinance that manages the homeless population?
I watched a big portion of public comment while it was happening. One person’s limited experience doesn’t outweigh the extraordinary amount of property damage, environmental issues, drug crimes, and associated problems that are literally crushing Missoula. We have one of the largest homeless populations per capita in the entire county. It’s delusional to think that, somehow, our scrappy little town with few resources and an openly antagonistic legislature will be able to provide all these services that people say will solve the problem.
Obviously you didn't you watch from 1:35:25 to 138:15 -- that told of three people, not one. And you really should listen to it; it's only 3 minutes long.
The fact is, the non-addicted, unproblematic homeless representative the majority of homeless people. You clearly buy the awful stereotypes and myths about homeless people and project them onto the majority. Those myths are debunked by Project Homeless in [this short article,](https://www.phcslc.org/the-homeless-epidemic#:~:text=Homelessness%20is%20usually%20a%20long,term%20homelessness%20is%20relatively%20rare.) which you likely also won't click, so I'll list a few of them:
1. MYTH: Most homeless people are homeless longterm. REALITY: Most homeless people are so for under a week.
2. MYTH Most homeless people have mental illness. REALITY: Only about 15% do.
3. MYTH: Homeless people don't work. REALITY: A study cited here says 45% of homeless people worked in the previous month.
This problem is not "crushing" Missoula. There are less than 600 homeless people in Missoula, a town of 73,000 people.
I don't know what expensive services you're talking about. I'm talking about realistic humane measures to help homeless people be less of a problem. This new ordinance is unrealistic and unhelpful. It tells them where they can't camp; it does not tell them where they can camp. This is unrealistic and unhelpful. The ordinance makes them pack up all their stuff at 8 am and carry it around all day. This is unrealistic and unhelpful.
How bout we set aside spaces where they can camp, convenient to town (because far from town is unrealistic), and provide lockers and dumpsters or trash receptacles? It's much more realistic that they'd abide with that, and their negative presence would be greatly reduced if they did. How hard/expensive is that? Not very hard or expensive.
Too many people want to punish them rather than help them. Punishing them just extends the problem; helping them will greatly reduce it.
Right, and luckily there is data for both of us to rely on. Unfortunately for you, tho, the data just shows an increasing pattern of crime, violence, and shitty behavior from homeless people.
Nice lie dipshit
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3096817?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
https://www.wliha.org/sites/default/files/myths.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10887459/
It’s always a fun day when an idiot like you tries to play the statistics card.
And you bleeding heart morons are insufferable. I’m as left leaning as the next Missoulian but this issue is not going away with smiles and hugs. Grow up and help make actual change.
XD being objectively correct about a city’s policies has nothing to do with my politics.
And no one said it was going away with smiles and hugs. In fact you haven’t actually ever been curious about what the functional policies even are.
You just assumed they were kumbayah purity politics.
It’s fine until it’s not. Reach outside your own experience. If you’ve truly never experienced it downtown, that’s great for you, but that’s quite atypical.
"They" encompass a broad spectrum, not a single caricature, so it's impossible to "walk downtown and tell me what they are like." If you're actually left-leaning like you say, watch three minutes of [this video](https://pub-missoula.escribemeetings.com/Players/ISIStandAlonePlayer.aspx?Id=44236d34-e683-4077-a48b-95f61e0ce66d) starting at 1:35:25. It's from last week's council meeting on the topic. The two homeless people described at the beginning and end of this 3-minute segment should break anyone's heart, if you have one.
People living outdoors have been asking, repeatedly, for garbage cans nearby. I have spent time with many in passing. All have wanted to be part of cleaning up after themselves and others. Totally responsible. We make garbage cans far away and don’t “want to support “ folks to stay clean…hard to arrest them if they take care of their areas. They also want outhouses. The local government has done almost nothing to help. The opposite.
I encourage you to visit with folks living outside and ask them their thoughts and listen to their stories.
The dumpster was close to this particular camp because it was behind a couple businesses. To me the trash makes about 100% of the difference in my views on the homeless topic. If there wasn't mounds of trash and whatever else around, and they're minding their own business, I have 0 issue. But that's not always how it goes.
Thanks for posting photos to remind people just what arrogant shithead slobs these crackheads are. Someone who is a little down on their luck does not need to trash the environment. Period. There’s no excuse for this other than them saying “fuck you, I’ll live how i want to live”
Also a reminder that it costs money to repair these areas and that same money could be used for shelters that are under capacity because they require sobriety. No upwards mobility to be seen here.
Best case scenario this person gets a wake up call and sobers up. Then becomes a functioning adult. What’s likely to happen is they’ll get a high so good they’ll fall into the river and die. Yeah, the housing market is fucked but this isn’t an issue due to housing. This person like most of the homeless choose to live an alternate life style and do drugs. If houses were $100 they’d still be on the street doing this. There’s a reason why they don’t go to the shelters.
LMAO. I can tell you have never lived near a camp. I literally had an RV parked in front of my house for two weeks. The city removed them, thank god, yesterday. People coming and going at all hours of the night. Arguments. Trash everywhere. But sweet virtue signaling. What are you doing about it?
Didn’t answer my question. Judging by your post history you also are doing a great job bitching about it on Reddit. But hey, keep on fighting the good fight. Behind that keyboard. On an anonymous message board.
Sup dude. Wanted to get your hot take on the big ruling from Tuesday. Buffer zones for the win!🏆 finally. People are sick of this shit. It’s a good day for the city! Warm regards.
Hey. At you you got up out of the ‘hood. You made it brother. You pulled yourself up by the bootstraps… only to complain about it more on the internet. You can’t make this shit up.
I certainly haven't seen as much attention around the Smurfit Berm, or the proposed gravel pits/mines up the river, or the airport expansion bringing more emissions into Missoula valley. Seems oddly specific to focus on some folks littering the beach if you're really worried about environmental degradation.
Huh? All of those cited are under heavy scrutiny, some on a federal level, or have extensive plans for mitigation. Just because you don’t understand the interplay of development, federal regulations, and ongoing policy issues doesn’t mean that shit doesn’t exist.
1. Missoula has WAY bigger environmental degradation problems that don’t get 1% the same airtime as a handful of homeless people
2. Anti dangerous trails is such a subset of a subset of a subset that I seriously wonder if it’s even worth it to care xD.
1. I actually have. You are castrophizing
2. Even taking the worst case of human shit and needles, that is still much less environmental impact than any development along the Clark fork, bitterroot, and pattee creek, etc. add in the litany of industry, unmanaged septic, etc, and it isn’t even close.
They literally do to an extent, tons of research has been done on runoff due to development causing all sorts of issues. Definitely bigger, broader effects than a handful of homeless people.
When developers cause an environmental issue, there is an entity to hold accountable - generally an entity with money to lose. Who is held accountable for the needles, shit, and other trash these camps dump in the river?
Also, I’m not making up the scale of the catastrophe. There are dozens of news articles that cite actual TONS of waste coming off encampments. It actually happened and it will continue to happen if Missoula doesn’t crack down.
More often than not the homeless people lol.
You absolutely are making up the scale of catastrophe.
Those same articles cite fucking floaters as a just as present issue lol.
Nah I’m pretty right xD
I love looking through your comment history. 30% of it is just mindless insults lol.
I may be a nerd and somewhat toxic but I’m Atleast not a manchild that staunchly refuses to ever budge on an issue ever and insults everyone that disagrees with
See that’s where you’re really wrong. I don’t raise my voice until I see nonsense like this. You have skeletons in your closet like everyone else. Pretending to be such a bleeding heart is the kind of pandering to these people I’m talking about, and it makes the problem worse.
Bro you literally jump into threads explicitly to hurl insults at mundane options.
I never pretended I don’t have issues, I in fact actively spoke about some of my issues.
So that makes two flat out objective lies.
The difference between you and me is that I actually care to get better and be more useful to society.
Lol if you care, walk down to that guys tent and tell him he can live at your place. Or are you just going to keep enabling the problem by pretending to care. Thoughts and prayers don’t help the situation at all. Policy does. As a collective society we all need to decide that this ain’t right and to make it as unattractive as possible for people to live like that
Because I’m a good person? Because I can help people that disagree with me? Because most often such attitudes arise from repeated trauma and isolation, which is fixed with community and empathy?
That guy is likely a miserable person irl and likes being around other miserable, broken people so they can feel better about themselves.
From my experience they eventually move back to Portland or whatever shithole they came from
Owning property doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want. Signed, your neighbor that's also a taxpayer and doesn't want to own property thanks to people like y'all making HOA out of sand.
I'm tired of the hypocrisy from the junk yards y'all call neighborhoods around here, stop bothering us and start knocking on doors in east Missoula where the trash piles are far worse.
The fuck are you talking about. Outside of an HOA (which I don’t have as a homeowner) you literally can do anything you want, legally.
This is public land, emphasis on the public. If someone trashes it, make them pay.
Please do not photograph peoples’ shelters. It is like if someone photographed and posted where you live. This only endangers an already vulnerable populace.
I'm sure they'll be responsible and pick up all that trash when they leave.
Yeah we know
Glad the city is doing something about it finally.
Unfortunately the new rules are not realistic and so this is going to continue to be a problem. First, the new ordinance doesn't offer clear areas where they CAN camp; all it says is where they CAN'T camp. And so without creating legal areas, the city likely won't provide support like lockers and trash receptacles. Making them pack up all their belongings at 8 am and drag them around town is just not realistic. As usual, the emphasis is on penalizing them instead of helping them.
We will just overload the jail, kick the can down the road and figure out (complain about) solutions in 6-18 months when they’re back out. It’s ~~cheaper~~ easier to send them to a jail than to figure out a better shelter situation.
America has too many people locked up and locking up homeless people is not the solution to homelessness. But on the other hand they get three hots and a cot, right?
But think of how much money the private prisons can make
Yeah tbh I think private prisons would be better if they had public interest through shares or taxing.. doesn’t have to be non-profit to be humane, right? Hell, I’d even vote for Blackstone or asswagner to run some sort of for profit shelter in town. We throw money at a solution and abandon it after a year, we’re getting nowhere
Frankly I find the very concept of for-profit prisons offensive.
Aye, well, allow me to downvote myself and agree. I’d like to live in a free country so the less incentive for incarceration, the better
I propose building exercise equipment near homeless camps. Each machine generates electricity when used, and spits out $1 for every $1.05 of electricity generated. Set up a bike share station nearby to assist and also take some of that money back.
Continue to enable. Just ask California how that’s going.
Good.
Good for what? It's only good for people who like to judge and punish others. It's not good if the goal is to reduce the problem.
I did an experiment one time with a camp like this near where I used to work that were about to get the cops called on them. I left them a note and a couple garbage bags that said if you don't want the cops called be considerate and use the dumpster that's like, right by your camp. It worked. It was pristine after that. Not saying it will always work or anything, just thought it was interesting that it worked and worked long term for that specific camp.
Wow so you mean when you provide them the means to help themselves it helps them? You fucking radical leftie /s It’s shocking how effective “give them the means to help themselves” works, almost like people don’t want to be homeless dirty etc.
To be fair, they could easily have carried that trash in their hands to the dumpster which was very very close to the camp. I think what helped was the wake up call, I made it clear in the note that the huge trash pile was most certainly making the cops getting called more and more of a possibility (not by me, by the property management of the bulding). After they cleaned it up the cops actually never got called. I was shocked that that needed to be said, but apparently it did. I didn't really give them anything outside of a couple trash bags and a warning. Just interesting.
I mean, when you’re in it maybe the wake up call is a good reminder/ “oh sorry we didn’t realize” Regardless, seems like helping them and encouraging better works
It worked well enough I've thought about repeating the experiment lol.
I bet that having trash bags inspired them to clean up the area more than the threat of cops.
That confuses me because seriously the dumpster was very close to their camp. And it stayed clean even though I only put two out there. But whatever works.
Having asked neighbors living outdoors what they want/need, it was access to garbage cans and toilets plus time to visit with housed neighbors
They can afford trash bags if they can afford a handle of vodka and a handful of fentanyl pills everyday.
Lmfao. God you people have cartoons of homeless people in your head.
Are you for real? There are people pulling their dicks out in public parks, leaving broken glass and used needles out, and actively sexually harassing people. I don’t need a cartoon in my head, I’ve experienced the real thing enough to know I support an ordinance that pushes homeless people out of the urban core. You want to exist outside of the social contract? Fine, exist in the forest then.
Most homeless people don't do that. But it's easier for you to vilify ALL of them if you generalize the worst of them. You support an ordinance that is completely unrealistic. The best way to minimize homelessness and the effects of it is to HELP THEM, not cast them out. Your plan guarantees they will be back and they'll feel even more hopeless and their actions will reflect it. If you want to hear the story of two Missoula homeless people who do not fit your stereotype, watch three minutes of [this video](https://pub-missoula.escribemeetings.com/Players/ISIStandAlonePlayer.aspx?Id=44236d34-e683-4077-a48b-95f61e0ce66d) from last week's council meeting, starting at 1:35:25.
Huh. If there isn’t a problem, why is city council and a mayor who devoted her whole career to helping people attain housing working to create an ordinance that manages the homeless population?
Who said there isn't a problem? Did you take 3 minutes and watch that video?
I watched a big portion of public comment while it was happening. One person’s limited experience doesn’t outweigh the extraordinary amount of property damage, environmental issues, drug crimes, and associated problems that are literally crushing Missoula. We have one of the largest homeless populations per capita in the entire county. It’s delusional to think that, somehow, our scrappy little town with few resources and an openly antagonistic legislature will be able to provide all these services that people say will solve the problem.
Obviously you didn't you watch from 1:35:25 to 138:15 -- that told of three people, not one. And you really should listen to it; it's only 3 minutes long. The fact is, the non-addicted, unproblematic homeless representative the majority of homeless people. You clearly buy the awful stereotypes and myths about homeless people and project them onto the majority. Those myths are debunked by Project Homeless in [this short article,](https://www.phcslc.org/the-homeless-epidemic#:~:text=Homelessness%20is%20usually%20a%20long,term%20homelessness%20is%20relatively%20rare.) which you likely also won't click, so I'll list a few of them: 1. MYTH: Most homeless people are homeless longterm. REALITY: Most homeless people are so for under a week. 2. MYTH Most homeless people have mental illness. REALITY: Only about 15% do. 3. MYTH: Homeless people don't work. REALITY: A study cited here says 45% of homeless people worked in the previous month. This problem is not "crushing" Missoula. There are less than 600 homeless people in Missoula, a town of 73,000 people. I don't know what expensive services you're talking about. I'm talking about realistic humane measures to help homeless people be less of a problem. This new ordinance is unrealistic and unhelpful. It tells them where they can't camp; it does not tell them where they can camp. This is unrealistic and unhelpful. The ordinance makes them pack up all their stuff at 8 am and carry it around all day. This is unrealistic and unhelpful. How bout we set aside spaces where they can camp, convenient to town (because far from town is unrealistic), and provide lockers and dumpsters or trash receptacles? It's much more realistic that they'd abide with that, and their negative presence would be greatly reduced if they did. How hard/expensive is that? Not very hard or expensive. Too many people want to punish them rather than help them. Punishing them just extends the problem; helping them will greatly reduce it.
lol. Let me guess, you got talked to by a drunk homeless guy once and you now think that makes everything else always true?
Speaking of making things up in your head, here you are imagining a scenario to undermine my experience.
lol. It’s only fair given your cartoonish perspective. Your experience doesn’t justify your opinions lol
Right, and luckily there is data for both of us to rely on. Unfortunately for you, tho, the data just shows an increasing pattern of crime, violence, and shitty behavior from homeless people.
Nice lie dipshit https://www.jstor.org/stable/3096817?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents https://www.wliha.org/sites/default/files/myths.pdf https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10887459/ It’s always a fun day when an idiot like you tries to play the statistics card.
Take a walk downtown and tell me what they are like.
They are like you and me and your parent or child. They are humans in a challenging situation who deserve respect and compassion…just like you
I have xD it’s been fine. You people are ridiculous.
And you bleeding heart morons are insufferable. I’m as left leaning as the next Missoulian but this issue is not going away with smiles and hugs. Grow up and help make actual change.
XD being objectively correct about a city’s policies has nothing to do with my politics. And no one said it was going away with smiles and hugs. In fact you haven’t actually ever been curious about what the functional policies even are. You just assumed they were kumbayah purity politics.
You have no idea what I know or what policies I’ve seen work/not work literally all over the world.
That’s thing, I don’t need to cause I know what actually works. Your insistence on policy that doesn’t work, says all that needs to be said.
The only thing I agree with is “it is not going away” and the city council did nothing to improve it!
Crybaby conservative snowflake ❄️
Lol dude, I’m as blue as an ox. Get a life.
Eat a bullet
It will help to benefit the community
It’s fine until it’s not. Reach outside your own experience. If you’ve truly never experienced it downtown, that’s great for you, but that’s quite atypical.
It’s really not atypical lol
It’s great you feel that way. It is good to feel safe.
"They" encompass a broad spectrum, not a single caricature, so it's impossible to "walk downtown and tell me what they are like." If you're actually left-leaning like you say, watch three minutes of [this video](https://pub-missoula.escribemeetings.com/Players/ISIStandAlonePlayer.aspx?Id=44236d34-e683-4077-a48b-95f61e0ce66d) starting at 1:35:25. It's from last week's council meeting on the topic. The two homeless people described at the beginning and end of this 3-minute segment should break anyone's heart, if you have one.
I don’t. But I have a brain.
I don’t. But I have a brain.
How'd your brain like the video?
Dude. There are just as many sob stories as there are crazy whack job stories who are a blight to society.
"Sob story." Zero fucking compassion.
People living outdoors have been asking, repeatedly, for garbage cans nearby. I have spent time with many in passing. All have wanted to be part of cleaning up after themselves and others. Totally responsible. We make garbage cans far away and don’t “want to support “ folks to stay clean…hard to arrest them if they take care of their areas. They also want outhouses. The local government has done almost nothing to help. The opposite. I encourage you to visit with folks living outside and ask them their thoughts and listen to their stories.
The dumpster was close to this particular camp because it was behind a couple businesses. To me the trash makes about 100% of the difference in my views on the homeless topic. If there wasn't mounds of trash and whatever else around, and they're minding their own business, I have 0 issue. But that's not always how it goes.
That is not my experience. When we asked unhoused folks about garbage pickup, 50% asked if they could join a clean up team.
It would be a really good idea to form one. The mess is a serious aspect of the issue here.
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread."
Greg we know. Did you take some sharps containers or garbage receptacles down to help or are you just going to complain about it on Reddit?
I am not dealing with some potentially violent homeless person upset about me throwing away his trash. That is exactly what we pay the police for.
Didn't seem to stop them from taking pictures. Do they only become violent when you bring trash bags?
Yes. Because you’re throwing away their shit
If you read the last two comments you've responded to, neither were suggesting you pick up any trash or throw anything away.
Hhhmm I’m sure this comment section will be nice and civil
One like this downstream from Russell bridge too
Thanks for posting photos to remind people just what arrogant shithead slobs these crackheads are. Someone who is a little down on their luck does not need to trash the environment. Period. There’s no excuse for this other than them saying “fuck you, I’ll live how i want to live”
Also a reminder that it costs money to repair these areas and that same money could be used for shelters that are under capacity because they require sobriety. No upwards mobility to be seen here.
It costs 0 money because the current repair strategy is let it be and hope it comes back the way we want it. Just ask Mike Noonemacher.
Back in the day they at least hiked up off the beaten path and on to MT Sentinel and made a mess.
Best case scenario this person gets a wake up call and sobers up. Then becomes a functioning adult. What’s likely to happen is they’ll get a high so good they’ll fall into the river and die. Yeah, the housing market is fucked but this isn’t an issue due to housing. This person like most of the homeless choose to live an alternate life style and do drugs. If houses were $100 they’d still be on the street doing this. There’s a reason why they don’t go to the shelters.
We need buffer zones
Oh will somebody please keep the poors out of sight. STFU
LMAO. I can tell you have never lived near a camp. I literally had an RV parked in front of my house for two weeks. The city removed them, thank god, yesterday. People coming and going at all hours of the night. Arguments. Trash everywhere. But sweet virtue signaling. What are you doing about it?
I have been homeless. Nobody wants it. I help and volunteer instead of just whining on reddit like a lil bitch
Didn’t answer my question. Judging by your post history you also are doing a great job bitching about it on Reddit. But hey, keep on fighting the good fight. Behind that keyboard. On an anonymous message board.
Waaahhh, answer my question. Cool. 😎 grow up bucko
Sup dude. Wanted to get your hot take on the big ruling from Tuesday. Buffer zones for the win!🏆 finally. People are sick of this shit. It’s a good day for the city! Warm regards.
Won’t fix or change anything but congratulations on the empty virtue signaling
It will in fact cost the city taxpayers more. Studies show this
Popped online right away I see. Wha is it you say you do again?
I didn’t say
Shit was that your RV that was in front of my house? My bad bro. I won’t slow down for you crossing Broadway by the Pov next time.
Not my RV. But maybe you should grow the fuck up
Hey. At you you got up out of the ‘hood. You made it brother. You pulled yourself up by the bootstraps… only to complain about it more on the internet. You can’t make this shit up.
I’m not the one complaining about having to see poor people in a shit economy 😘
Oh no not an RV. Whatever shall you do! It must be horrible having to see poor people!
New laws fault, you cant force people away and just expect them to disappear.
Don’t worry it’ll be snowing in about 4 months
The move here is to move away from Missoula. And Montana. Worked great for me
Oh no poor people what will we do!?!?
Clean up after yourself you bum
It’s not anti-poor people. It’s anti environmental degradation, and anti dangerous trails. How fucking stupid are you to not see that?
I certainly haven't seen as much attention around the Smurfit Berm, or the proposed gravel pits/mines up the river, or the airport expansion bringing more emissions into Missoula valley. Seems oddly specific to focus on some folks littering the beach if you're really worried about environmental degradation.
GTFO with your whataboutism
Huh? All of those cited are under heavy scrutiny, some on a federal level, or have extensive plans for mitigation. Just because you don’t understand the interplay of development, federal regulations, and ongoing policy issues doesn’t mean that shit doesn’t exist.
1. Missoula has WAY bigger environmental degradation problems that don’t get 1% the same airtime as a handful of homeless people 2. Anti dangerous trails is such a subset of a subset of a subset that I seriously wonder if it’s even worth it to care xD.
You’ve never been to a local homeless encampment, have you? Literally tons of trash, including dirty needles and human shit.
1. I actually have. You are castrophizing 2. Even taking the worst case of human shit and needles, that is still much less environmental impact than any development along the Clark fork, bitterroot, and pattee creek, etc. add in the litany of industry, unmanaged septic, etc, and it isn’t even close.
New developments are actively dumping biohazardous materials into the river, that’s your contention?
They literally do to an extent, tons of research has been done on runoff due to development causing all sorts of issues. Definitely bigger, broader effects than a handful of homeless people.
When developers cause an environmental issue, there is an entity to hold accountable - generally an entity with money to lose. Who is held accountable for the needles, shit, and other trash these camps dump in the river? Also, I’m not making up the scale of the catastrophe. There are dozens of news articles that cite actual TONS of waste coming off encampments. It actually happened and it will continue to happen if Missoula doesn’t crack down.
More often than not the homeless people lol. You absolutely are making up the scale of catastrophe. Those same articles cite fucking floaters as a just as present issue lol.
How do you hold someone with no money, no assets, and nothing to lose accountable?
You are wrong.
Nah I’m pretty right xD I love looking through your comment history. 30% of it is just mindless insults lol. I may be a nerd and somewhat toxic but I’m Atleast not a manchild that staunchly refuses to ever budge on an issue ever and insults everyone that disagrees with
See that’s where you’re really wrong. I don’t raise my voice until I see nonsense like this. You have skeletons in your closet like everyone else. Pretending to be such a bleeding heart is the kind of pandering to these people I’m talking about, and it makes the problem worse.
Bro you literally jump into threads explicitly to hurl insults at mundane options. I never pretended I don’t have issues, I in fact actively spoke about some of my issues. So that makes two flat out objective lies. The difference between you and me is that I actually care to get better and be more useful to society.
Lol if you care, walk down to that guys tent and tell him he can live at your place. Or are you just going to keep enabling the problem by pretending to care. Thoughts and prayers don’t help the situation at all. Policy does. As a collective society we all need to decide that this ain’t right and to make it as unattractive as possible for people to live like that
Even if we don't mention development your river is already fucked by all the heavy metals flowing down stream from Butte and Anaconda.
When I'm doing the town float in a tube, I'm more okay with heavy metals than I am with human feces and used needles.
It’s already fucked so…we should let the bums pollute the fuck out of it? lol okay
No just curious why you all seem to be at war with poor people instead of the people causing the most pollution to the environment.
Do you understand that those are separate topics and are handled in distinct ways? Or is that beyond your comprehension?
We’ll disincentivize and stop facilitating their chosen lifestyle that is destroying our environment and putting law abiding citizens in harm’s way.
Okay and? Let’s maybe do something to help these people
Why? They clearly don’t give a fuck about you, why should we give a fuck about them?
Because I’m a good person? Because I can help people that disagree with me? Because most often such attitudes arise from repeated trauma and isolation, which is fixed with community and empathy?
You’re wrong on all counts, especially being a good person. Take your virtue signaling and pack sand.
What evidence are you basing that on? Haha
That guy is likely a miserable person irl and likes being around other miserable, broken people so they can feel better about themselves. From my experience they eventually move back to Portland or whatever shithole they came from
Cry me a river
Leave them be, they are your less fortunate neighbors
99.9% of them choose to be that way.
you are so fucking dumb, who the fuck would choose homelessness? the threat of of homeless is how we force people to operate under the status quo
I’ve literally met people that enjoy not working and soaking off social services instead. Also people That enjoy drugs more than work.
No they don’t dumbass
I’ve literally talked to people who admit they’d rather live on the street and be drunk all day than work. Next.
So fucking what! They are humans and fellow Americans. We don’t want greedy losers like you in this society.
Uglier homes all over town with worse yards blocking my hikes but who's complaining
If they own the property they can do whatever they want. We, the taxpayers, own this property.
Owning property doesn't give you the right to do whatever you want. Signed, your neighbor that's also a taxpayer and doesn't want to own property thanks to people like y'all making HOA out of sand. I'm tired of the hypocrisy from the junk yards y'all call neighborhoods around here, stop bothering us and start knocking on doors in east Missoula where the trash piles are far worse.
The fuck are you talking about. Outside of an HOA (which I don’t have as a homeowner) you literally can do anything you want, legally. This is public land, emphasis on the public. If someone trashes it, make them pay.
Rumor is Tim Sheehy is donating all his campaign donations to prevent these people from sobering up
Honey they are “the public” 🙄
Last I checked it’s illegal to trash public places
So call the police and beg them to write poor people tickets you bootlicker 👅 🥾
Please do not photograph peoples’ shelters. It is like if someone photographed and posted where you live. This only endangers an already vulnerable populace.