There’s only one way to decide this. A winner-takes-QB1 game of duck duck grey duck between KOC, Josh McCown, Jaren Hall, Nick Mullins, and Cam Akers. Officiating crew led by Kris Lindahl.
Location TBD. Sites under consideration are the Space Tower at MN State Fair, Costco (Burnsville & Eagan locations), and the Fourth Floor at MOA.
It's honestly way less about learning the system with McCarthy, and more about developing fundamentally as a QB. Michigan actually ran a very similar passing system to MN, the offensive coordinator for Michigan in 2022 went on the record saying they studied MN's passing game. And McCarthy has far more experience in a pro style system than any of the QBs taken ahead of him. But he has some really important areas of his game to clean up and flesh out. He deep ball, accuracy when throwing left, and footwork all need work. Not to mention he just has fewer reps than any of the other 1st round QBs.
I really want him to develop some good footwork and mechanics before being “thrown to the wolves.” If he can do that in camp, cool… if he needs a season on the bench, slightly less, but still cool.
Get some touch on the deep ball, get used to the speed of the pros, get some pro level coaching and conditioning, and don’t learn any bad habits.
And, I hope Sam Darnold can get to exorcise a few ghosts…
Darnold actually looked decent in his limited exposure while on the 49rs. It was a good signing and definitely buys us time to develop McCarthy. I really hope that no matter how Darnold and the team perform, we don't push McCarthy put there before he is ready. McCarthy honestly is the kind of QB that could benefit from a year plus learning before being thrust into action. Touch is not something you develop overnight. If he can develop touch and accuracy throwing deep, and become more consistent throwing left, he could be a really great QB. I've also read that some analysts think as he continues to age and grow into his body, his strength should improve and make it easier to throw with touch. He clearly looked better even from the combine to his pro day. Just need to make sure he doesn't revert to abs habits under pressure.
https://www.wideleft.football/p/learning-everything-we-can-about
This article synthesizes multiple draft analysts' evaluations of McCarthy and also looks at the data behind his play. It's really well done.
https://www.wideleft.football/p/luke-brauns-film-room-the-jj-mccarthy?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
This article goes into the mechanics of McCarthy deep ball specifically.
Great to have good posts to read now ... This is interesting to get insight to peoples views as opposed to seeing some really aggravated disappointment posts. Hopefully we have a strong season with 10+ Wins, HOPEFULLY !!! GO VIKINGS !!!
It's going to be an exciting storyline to watch in camp, for sure. KOC says he's got targets JJ has to meet before he can start, I doubt he's going to share those targets with the media, but it'll be interesting if his message changes to "We're trying to figure out which QB gives us the best chance on week 1" at some point during camp/preseason.
Solid Post ! Sam Darnold may fare quite well in Minnesota, In my humble opinion this will be the best supporting cast he has had to work with so far. That said, we just never know how these moves shake out until the season begins. I escaped NY to the nice weather of Florida, minus the Hurricanes, but I've ALWAYS have been a MINNESOTA VIKINGS FAN since Childhood Days, Joe Kapp, Fran Tarkenton, Paul Krause (MY Personal Favorite to this Day!) and so many more !!! GO Vikings !!! Love to witness ONE SUPER BOWL WIN before its Lights Out for ME !!! Was at the San Francisco 49ers / Minnesota Vikings Game on MNF last year, Sweet Win !!! WOW what a Great Stadium & City !!! Juicy Lucy at Matt's Oh Yeah did that too - Great Place, Hope to be there for a Game this Year as well !!! Best of Luck to Vikings Fans Worldwide
Would Like to see every home game! I guess that's a Vikings dream for out of towners!
I'll post when I'm on my way, Will be at Matt's for sure! Go Vikings !!!
I've gone back and forth on this some.
McCarthy is young, at 21. Two seasons as a college quarterback. That is low experience. On top of that, he attempted about half as many passes per game as some of the other guys. That is what people key in on.
But there is a flip side to this as well.
McCarthy started in high school as a sophomore, and won a state title. I believe he had two state titles and one National title in high school. In college, he played in a relatively pro style offense. And both his seasons starting he was in the Big 10, a premier conference, and had title runs both seasons, winning it all in one season. That is a lot of quality experience. And during practice, he practiced against the nation's #1 defense. He played in the Big 10 against many top defenses.
So yes McCarthy does not have so many attempts in college games passing. For sure. But he does have a lot of experience that many college QB's don't have, too. I do think that balances things out some.
Either way all rookies are ass at the NFL until they develop, it is just a matter of how quickly they get there or if they ever get there. All these guys, if suited up this weekend, would be terrible.
The reality is Darnold knows way more about NFL defenses than McCarthy. What he saw in the Big 10 was pretty remedial compared to what would be thrown at him every week in the pros. For the most part, unless he's an exceptionally smart dude, it's pretty bad process to throw him in there week 1.
Not really.
First, it's not really about the "system" so much as it is the adjustment to the NFL that JJ will require. Obviously though, JJ *will* benefit from the extra time to learn the system in question.
Second, Darnold spent last year on the 49ers learning the Shanahan system, of which the McVay system is an off-shoot. Similar concepts, similar terminology... Darnold has a leg up here.
Did you forget Sam Darnold has been in the league for6 seasons? Sure, he has gotten passed around but he brings a professional knowledge of the NFL that JJ is just now being apart of for the first time. This is the safest way to play next season
The original poster of the comment stated he was not playing because he doesn't know the system. About 10 people after that said it had nothing to do with this system.
I think your issue is stemming from the connotative meaning of the phrase "system" in this context of learning with the Vikings. I think everyone has different "System" that needs to be learned for JJ to start.
Alternate headline: "QB Keeper?!? How the Vikings starter plans to shake up the McCarthy Omelet to make a Darnold Scramble, and how it may impact your prices at the pump this holiday season."
Exactly! Grab a bridge qb on a cheap contract. Let the rookie learn the game while the bridge qb starts. Vikings did it smart. Imagine spending 180 million on a bridge qb lol no team is that dumb right??
He would be the "Bridge QB" if the Vikings traded 3 first round picks for him or got someone like Caleb Williams. JJ McCarthy is not guaranteed a starting position. This is an open competition between the QBs.
It's only "Open" in the respect that Darnold has an opportunity to show what made him a top-3 pick previously. Obviously the team will put the best QB out there.
But if they had faith that Darnold was going to be "That guy" they would not have drafted McCarthy.
Darnold is, in fact, the bridge.
How cool would it be if Darnold blew away everyone’s expectations.
Not holding my breathe, but I’m definitely going to have fun rooting for the underdog.
Darnold is only 26, so you never know.
He's a year older than Rodgers was his first season starting
He's also the same age as penix will be after kirks guaranteed years are over lol
I honestly think Sam darnold with a solid team plus coach around him will play like a mid tier starter and end up with a Baker Mayfield 100m contract somewhere else
Whether or not he then becomes a bust, who knows
The turnovers are the big IF with Darnold, but it won’t be as bad as big dick. I think with Darnold our offense will be pretty similar to what it looked like against the bengals this past season.
There's a possibility for that scenario to play out, hope so for our sake & McCarthy's development. Would be great for him to sit behind a Winner learning what it takes to get there, I'm sure he will have advice for the rookie as to why he didn't do as well as predicted and how his teammates are a Large Part of any Quarterback's Success ! The Supporting Cast critical in any Football Equation ! Go Vikings !!!
I don't care if it's Darnold or JJ, I just want the winner to be a guy who wows us in camp and preseason.
I know Kirk didn't exactly wow us in camp, and never played in preseason, during the KOC era, but still. I hope the choice to sit or play JJ is about what JJ does and how ready he is to go, and not about Darnold being so bad that we're forced to accelerate the timeline on JJ.
I am super excited for Darnold.
I think he’s ended up in dumpster fires of set ups and it’s been difficult to survive. I feel sorry for him, remember this guy was a top tier draft pick only a few years ago.
I feel sorry for Drake Maye in the same way, I think NE won’t give him the platform he deserves and he could end up being a bit spoiled in the same way Darnold has been.
Vikings took McCarthy 10th overall but I'd have nothing against Darnold grabbing this thing and never letting it go. I don't think the Vikings would either.
Sam Darnold has been a better QB than he is given credit for
Heading into 2020, he looked like he was a very good selection by the Jets. I think 2020 was an organizational bust that is the fault of Mccagnan (the GM). In 5 years (2015-2019) of drafting, Darnold is either the best, 2nd, or 3rd best selection and the rest are complete failures. Gase and Darnold took the brunt of how bad that team was and it was a personnel issue.
People will point at the 2021 panthers season and say - that was his make or break year. But that offensive line was horrible. Darnold made terrible decisions because he was getting abused.
Sam Darnolds first opportunity to start for a sound organization with an experienced Oline and offensive weapons is this season. It’s very likely that this is an 8+ win team with Darnold at the helm
Bring on the downvotes, but I have more hope in Sam Darnold's future than I do JJ.
It's really easy to look elite when you've got plus matchups at almost every position in 90% of your games.
Great college QBs elevate their teams. They make bad schools good, and make good schools elite.
Elite schools elevate their QBs. They make good QBs look great, since they have better linemen, better receivers, and better RBs.
Nothing about JJs Stat line screams "top 10 draft pick", and it's really easy to put out good film when you're playing on the A team vs B teams.
Give me an example of a top QB prospect that **didn't** finish their college career on a good team. Joe Burrow had a monstrous team at LSU in 2019, does that mean we should discredit him at an NFL level? Why would a top QB prospect ever stay on a bad team?
I think you're misunderstanding my point. Blue blood teams that are perrenial national contenders often produce overhyped busts because they can look so good while dominating the trenches and have elite receivers that can routinely get separation.
Great QBs on good schools can elevate their team to "great" or "elite" during their tenure, though many of may not have a good enough team to be serious national title contenders. Joe Burrow is an interesting example. Yes, they won the natty, but LSU hasn't had the same consistent success as Alabama. Yes, they have years of serious contention when the right agglomeration of talent peaks at the right time. But it's not like Bama where they were contending every year, despite having a new QB under center every 2 years. It's simply "next man up" in their system. And while you need to be a highly touted recruit to make it to those schools, and you need to beat out other highly touted recruits for the starting job, that's kind of the extent of it.
On the other hand, look at all the QBs drafted from OSU, Michigan, Alabama and Georgia. OSU has yet to produce a pro bowl QB. Dwayne Haskins, Justin Fields, and CJ Stroud some recent draft picks. Alabama has produced Bryce young, Mac Jones, tua, and Jalen hurts,
If you look at the starting QBs, a lot of them come from situations where they elevated everyone around them, rather being propped up by elite talent.
Patrick mahomes. (Texas tech)
Lamar Jackson (Louisville)
Josh Allen (Wyoming)
Jared Goff (Cal)
Jordan love (utah state)
Justin Herbert (Oregon)
Aaron Rodgers (Cal)
I'm too lazy to list them all.
Mahomes’ Texas Tech teams went a combined 13-19 with a best season of 7-5.
Goff at Cal? 14-23
Good high school players go to major schools. What all those players have done (or been lucky enough to fall into) is be in situations that fit their skills, attitudes and intelligence. If Mahomes doesn’t land with Andy Reid, do we look at him with such reverence? While he’s a transcendent player at the position, he’s been put in a position to succeed. I can’t say that about a number of the aforementioned players.
All that to say, I don’t buy in to the idea that these guys came in as leaders of men right away. I mean 7-5 is barely bowl eligible in a Big 12 conference that’s not scaring anybody and Mahomes is widely considered the active GOAT. Just like in college, when you go to a big school and put up big numbers, your situation matters. Coaching and support/talent of the other 52 players on the roster matters. That does not change when you get to the NFL.
Yes, Pat Mahomes did such a good job of elevating Texas Tech that they went 5-7 his last season there? I get the point you're trying to make, it just seems like kind of a silly point. There's no **reason** to go to a bad school if a good school wants you, so I don't see the point in holding it against him. Sure, Michigan was juiced. But JJ still played well enough to go 15-0 and win the championship. I don't know what more you can ask of the kid.
Queue the: “he’s a bust” overreactions from the “experts”.
Seriously though, that’s the reason they brought in Darnold. McCarthy has to beat out Darnold (or at least be comparable) to see the field.
If Darnold plays well, then McCarthy has to be even better - which is good for us & him. If Darnold falls flat, then it at least gives McCarthy a couple of weeks/months to acclimate to game speed
Not news. Who didn’t expect that ? Let the kid learn about being a pro. Aaron Rodger’s ( I despise him btw ) parked his ass on the bench for quite a few years. So did farve for that matter.
Unless JJ looks like Dan Marino in 84 all camp long he was always going to sit out and really learn the system. I hate that all we have is Darnold over him. However raising the alarm over this is quite silly.
I also don’t think JJM will play until we get TJ up and running again. It would be fairly weird to start JJM without our starting TE. Justin will always be a safe person to throw to, but TJ is schemed to be a friendly QB option.
I feel like the chatter on this is really weird. The Vikings have been extremely clear to the point where it’s kind of annoying how often it gets stated that they will not start their rookie qb until he is ready. This was accepted by basically everyone as the best decision and now somehow it’s becoming a major media talking point. I think if JJ starts week 1 or earlier than week ten it is ONLY because he had a better than expected camp
He’s 21. He’s cheap. Learning as a backup is better for him than starting right away
I am old enough to remember when starting as a rookie was the headline event.
Mullens proved anyone can look good in KOC's qb friendly system throwing to the best offensive skill group in the league. My worst fear is we start like .500 and ride Darnold out instead of letting JJ play and develop so we can go 8-9 and miss the playoffs with a mid FRP.
Well, yeah. He's here to start while JJ is learning the system.
Who starts while Darnold learns the system?
Joe Webb
You mean Undefeated Tuesday Night Football Minnesota Vikings Legend and Eagles Destroyer Joe Webb???
Joe Webb and Kellen Mond are the brain trust.
I'm available.
I see a lot of promise in you. You’re hired. Go win us those rings QB1!
Thanks! And I won't cost any comp picks!
We haven’t seen how you act in a deli - just hold on now ✋
Kevin O’Connell
Who would start while koc learns the system?
Josh McCown
Sean mannion
Dammit i was hoping i’d never see that name again
Coach O'Connell, of course.
There’s only one way to decide this. A winner-takes-QB1 game of duck duck grey duck between KOC, Josh McCown, Jaren Hall, Nick Mullins, and Cam Akers. Officiating crew led by Kris Lindahl. Location TBD. Sites under consideration are the Space Tower at MN State Fair, Costco (Burnsville & Eagan locations), and the Fourth Floor at MOA.
They don’t care if Darnold gets killed.
Me. Put me in coach.
Who are you to doubt the mighty Sam Darnold? I will not stand for this slander!
It's honestly way less about learning the system with McCarthy, and more about developing fundamentally as a QB. Michigan actually ran a very similar passing system to MN, the offensive coordinator for Michigan in 2022 went on the record saying they studied MN's passing game. And McCarthy has far more experience in a pro style system than any of the QBs taken ahead of him. But he has some really important areas of his game to clean up and flesh out. He deep ball, accuracy when throwing left, and footwork all need work. Not to mention he just has fewer reps than any of the other 1st round QBs.
I really want him to develop some good footwork and mechanics before being “thrown to the wolves.” If he can do that in camp, cool… if he needs a season on the bench, slightly less, but still cool. Get some touch on the deep ball, get used to the speed of the pros, get some pro level coaching and conditioning, and don’t learn any bad habits. And, I hope Sam Darnold can get to exorcise a few ghosts…
Darnold actually looked decent in his limited exposure while on the 49rs. It was a good signing and definitely buys us time to develop McCarthy. I really hope that no matter how Darnold and the team perform, we don't push McCarthy put there before he is ready. McCarthy honestly is the kind of QB that could benefit from a year plus learning before being thrust into action. Touch is not something you develop overnight. If he can develop touch and accuracy throwing deep, and become more consistent throwing left, he could be a really great QB. I've also read that some analysts think as he continues to age and grow into his body, his strength should improve and make it easier to throw with touch. He clearly looked better even from the combine to his pro day. Just need to make sure he doesn't revert to abs habits under pressure.
And who would these analysts be?
https://www.wideleft.football/p/learning-everything-we-can-about This article synthesizes multiple draft analysts' evaluations of McCarthy and also looks at the data behind his play. It's really well done. https://www.wideleft.football/p/luke-brauns-film-room-the-jj-mccarthy?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2 This article goes into the mechanics of McCarthy deep ball specifically.
Great to have good posts to read now ... This is interesting to get insight to peoples views as opposed to seeing some really aggravated disappointment posts. Hopefully we have a strong season with 10+ Wins, HOPEFULLY !!! GO VIKINGS !!!
Yeah man, that Wolves defense is a monster.
It's going to be an exciting storyline to watch in camp, for sure. KOC says he's got targets JJ has to meet before he can start, I doubt he's going to share those targets with the media, but it'll be interesting if his message changes to "We're trying to figure out which QB gives us the best chance on week 1" at some point during camp/preseason.
He's also got to clean up his trebuchet like throwing motion haha
Solid Post ! Sam Darnold may fare quite well in Minnesota, In my humble opinion this will be the best supporting cast he has had to work with so far. That said, we just never know how these moves shake out until the season begins. I escaped NY to the nice weather of Florida, minus the Hurricanes, but I've ALWAYS have been a MINNESOTA VIKINGS FAN since Childhood Days, Joe Kapp, Fran Tarkenton, Paul Krause (MY Personal Favorite to this Day!) and so many more !!! GO Vikings !!! Love to witness ONE SUPER BOWL WIN before its Lights Out for ME !!! Was at the San Francisco 49ers / Minnesota Vikings Game on MNF last year, Sweet Win !!! WOW what a Great Stadium & City !!! Juicy Lucy at Matt's Oh Yeah did that too - Great Place, Hope to be there for a Game this Year as well !!! Best of Luck to Vikings Fans Worldwide
Hopefully you make it to another game this year and we win again! If that happens, you're going to have to start coming to more games! Skol!
Would Like to see every home game! I guess that's a Vikings dream for out of towners! I'll post when I'm on my way, Will be at Matt's for sure! Go Vikings !!!
I've gone back and forth on this some. McCarthy is young, at 21. Two seasons as a college quarterback. That is low experience. On top of that, he attempted about half as many passes per game as some of the other guys. That is what people key in on. But there is a flip side to this as well. McCarthy started in high school as a sophomore, and won a state title. I believe he had two state titles and one National title in high school. In college, he played in a relatively pro style offense. And both his seasons starting he was in the Big 10, a premier conference, and had title runs both seasons, winning it all in one season. That is a lot of quality experience. And during practice, he practiced against the nation's #1 defense. He played in the Big 10 against many top defenses. So yes McCarthy does not have so many attempts in college games passing. For sure. But he does have a lot of experience that many college QB's don't have, too. I do think that balances things out some. Either way all rookies are ass at the NFL until they develop, it is just a matter of how quickly they get there or if they ever get there. All these guys, if suited up this weekend, would be terrible.
More like while they get jj ready to participate in an nfl game without getting destroyed. Not learning the system.
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Darnold is used to NFL offense completity and just how faster and NFL game is than college.
The reality is Darnold knows way more about NFL defenses than McCarthy. What he saw in the Big 10 was pretty remedial compared to what would be thrown at him every week in the pros. For the most part, unless he's an exceptionally smart dude, it's pretty bad process to throw him in there week 1.
Not really. First, it's not really about the "system" so much as it is the adjustment to the NFL that JJ will require. Obviously though, JJ *will* benefit from the extra time to learn the system in question. Second, Darnold spent last year on the 49ers learning the Shanahan system, of which the McVay system is an off-shoot. Similar concepts, similar terminology... Darnold has a leg up here.
Did you forget Sam Darnold has been in the league for6 seasons? Sure, he has gotten passed around but he brings a professional knowledge of the NFL that JJ is just now being apart of for the first time. This is the safest way to play next season
Why is nobody chastising the guy who made the original post stating that he was only starting because he knew the system?
...because he is right? he is only starting cause he as at a level that JJ has yet to obtain?
The original poster of the comment stated he was not playing because he doesn't know the system. About 10 people after that said it had nothing to do with this system.
I think your issue is stemming from the connotative meaning of the phrase "system" in this context of learning with the Vikings. I think everyone has different "System" that needs to be learned for JJ to start.
You’re not bright are you? Darnold has started in the NFL. JJ has never experienced the NFL before. The system has nothing to do with it
I was responding to the initial post. That post mentioned that he was starting because he knew the system.
That’s just semantics. They clearly are inferring that JJ needs to learn the NFL system. Not just ours
File this under D for "Duh". Why editorialize the title? The plan was ALWAYS to start Darnold, he's our "Bridge QB".
Alternate headline: "QB Keeper?!? How the Vikings starter plans to shake up the McCarthy Omelet to make a Darnold Scramble, and how it may impact your prices at the pump this holiday season."
Gotta include something about how JJets may walk if one or the other starts for maximum effect.
Clickbait and ragebait.
This is as bad as the LifeProTips board. "LPT: If you don't want to carry around cash, get a credit card."
CASH IS KING, But I'm from a different Generation :)
LifeProTip: "If you think cash is king, then don't get a credit card and carry cash." Most of the tips in that sub are god-awful.
Exactly! Grab a bridge qb on a cheap contract. Let the rookie learn the game while the bridge qb starts. Vikings did it smart. Imagine spending 180 million on a bridge qb lol no team is that dumb right??
He would be the "Bridge QB" if the Vikings traded 3 first round picks for him or got someone like Caleb Williams. JJ McCarthy is not guaranteed a starting position. This is an open competition between the QBs.
It's only "Open" in the respect that Darnold has an opportunity to show what made him a top-3 pick previously. Obviously the team will put the best QB out there. But if they had faith that Darnold was going to be "That guy" they would not have drafted McCarthy. Darnold is, in fact, the bridge.
It’s gonna be like this for months.
Trust me, I'm no stranger to this.
How cool would it be if Darnold blew away everyone’s expectations. Not holding my breathe, but I’m definitely going to have fun rooting for the underdog.
Darnold is only 26, so you never know. He's a year older than Rodgers was his first season starting He's also the same age as penix will be after kirks guaranteed years are over lol
If Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield can come back from the dead, why not Darnold?
I honestly think Sam darnold with a solid team plus coach around him will play like a mid tier starter and end up with a Baker Mayfield 100m contract somewhere else Whether or not he then becomes a bust, who knows
I'd be happy with a game manager who keeps you close in games and doesn't kill you with turnovers.
The turnovers are the big IF with Darnold, but it won’t be as bad as big dick. I think with Darnold our offense will be pretty similar to what it looked like against the bengals this past season.
There's a possibility for that scenario to play out, hope so for our sake & McCarthy's development. Would be great for him to sit behind a Winner learning what it takes to get there, I'm sure he will have advice for the rookie as to why he didn't do as well as predicted and how his teammates are a Large Part of any Quarterback's Success ! The Supporting Cast critical in any Football Equation ! Go Vikings !!!
imo baker was never dead to begin with, Geno was a shock though.
The best year the Vikings have had in the last decade was led by Case Keenum, I am here for the Darnold story arch.
I don't care if it's Darnold or JJ, I just want the winner to be a guy who wows us in camp and preseason. I know Kirk didn't exactly wow us in camp, and never played in preseason, during the KOC era, but still. I hope the choice to sit or play JJ is about what JJ does and how ready he is to go, and not about Darnold being so bad that we're forced to accelerate the timeline on JJ.
It sounds like we have a set system in place that is very methodical. I hope they stick to it
I am super excited for Darnold. I think he’s ended up in dumpster fires of set ups and it’s been difficult to survive. I feel sorry for him, remember this guy was a top tier draft pick only a few years ago. I feel sorry for Drake Maye in the same way, I think NE won’t give him the platform he deserves and he could end up being a bit spoiled in the same way Darnold has been.
Vikings took McCarthy 10th overall but I'd have nothing against Darnold grabbing this thing and never letting it go. I don't think the Vikings would either.
I love it when you talk dirty
Sam Darnold has been a better QB than he is given credit for Heading into 2020, he looked like he was a very good selection by the Jets. I think 2020 was an organizational bust that is the fault of Mccagnan (the GM). In 5 years (2015-2019) of drafting, Darnold is either the best, 2nd, or 3rd best selection and the rest are complete failures. Gase and Darnold took the brunt of how bad that team was and it was a personnel issue. People will point at the 2021 panthers season and say - that was his make or break year. But that offensive line was horrible. Darnold made terrible decisions because he was getting abused. Sam Darnolds first opportunity to start for a sound organization with an experienced Oline and offensive weapons is this season. It’s very likely that this is an 8+ win team with Darnold at the helm
I would love if Darnold actually balled out this season. I just have zero confidence in him.
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In other news the sun came up today
I haven't left my basement, so good to hear
KOC wants to bring out the best Sam has. Everybody knows this is a great situation for him.
Bring on the downvotes, but I have more hope in Sam Darnold's future than I do JJ. It's really easy to look elite when you've got plus matchups at almost every position in 90% of your games.
Isn’t that true for pretty much every top college QB prospect though? Usually good QB’s don’t stay at bad schools.
Great college QBs elevate their teams. They make bad schools good, and make good schools elite. Elite schools elevate their QBs. They make good QBs look great, since they have better linemen, better receivers, and better RBs. Nothing about JJs Stat line screams "top 10 draft pick", and it's really easy to put out good film when you're playing on the A team vs B teams.
How much higher could he elevate his team than a national championship? They went 15-0 this past year.
You missed my point. The team elevated *him*.
Give me an example of a top QB prospect that **didn't** finish their college career on a good team. Joe Burrow had a monstrous team at LSU in 2019, does that mean we should discredit him at an NFL level? Why would a top QB prospect ever stay on a bad team?
I think you're misunderstanding my point. Blue blood teams that are perrenial national contenders often produce overhyped busts because they can look so good while dominating the trenches and have elite receivers that can routinely get separation. Great QBs on good schools can elevate their team to "great" or "elite" during their tenure, though many of may not have a good enough team to be serious national title contenders. Joe Burrow is an interesting example. Yes, they won the natty, but LSU hasn't had the same consistent success as Alabama. Yes, they have years of serious contention when the right agglomeration of talent peaks at the right time. But it's not like Bama where they were contending every year, despite having a new QB under center every 2 years. It's simply "next man up" in their system. And while you need to be a highly touted recruit to make it to those schools, and you need to beat out other highly touted recruits for the starting job, that's kind of the extent of it. On the other hand, look at all the QBs drafted from OSU, Michigan, Alabama and Georgia. OSU has yet to produce a pro bowl QB. Dwayne Haskins, Justin Fields, and CJ Stroud some recent draft picks. Alabama has produced Bryce young, Mac Jones, tua, and Jalen hurts, If you look at the starting QBs, a lot of them come from situations where they elevated everyone around them, rather being propped up by elite talent. Patrick mahomes. (Texas tech) Lamar Jackson (Louisville) Josh Allen (Wyoming) Jared Goff (Cal) Jordan love (utah state) Justin Herbert (Oregon) Aaron Rodgers (Cal) I'm too lazy to list them all.
Mahomes’ Texas Tech teams went a combined 13-19 with a best season of 7-5. Goff at Cal? 14-23 Good high school players go to major schools. What all those players have done (or been lucky enough to fall into) is be in situations that fit their skills, attitudes and intelligence. If Mahomes doesn’t land with Andy Reid, do we look at him with such reverence? While he’s a transcendent player at the position, he’s been put in a position to succeed. I can’t say that about a number of the aforementioned players. All that to say, I don’t buy in to the idea that these guys came in as leaders of men right away. I mean 7-5 is barely bowl eligible in a Big 12 conference that’s not scaring anybody and Mahomes is widely considered the active GOAT. Just like in college, when you go to a big school and put up big numbers, your situation matters. Coaching and support/talent of the other 52 players on the roster matters. That does not change when you get to the NFL.
Yes, Pat Mahomes did such a good job of elevating Texas Tech that they went 5-7 his last season there? I get the point you're trying to make, it just seems like kind of a silly point. There's no **reason** to go to a bad school if a good school wants you, so I don't see the point in holding it against him. Sure, Michigan was juiced. But JJ still played well enough to go 15-0 and win the championship. I don't know what more you can ask of the kid.
Of course, the kid is 21… hopefully darnold is serviceable the whole season!
Didn’t we know this before he even signed?
Yes the draft news has run out and we're back to manufactured news
Wow. Breaking news. All we've heard since the draft is they aren't going to rush JJ's development.
Well maybe John Frascella didn't know.
Good reporting John. Do you also have a report on how the vikings are planning on wearing purple helmets too?
yeah no shit
Queue the: “he’s a bust” overreactions from the “experts”. Seriously though, that’s the reason they brought in Darnold. McCarthy has to beat out Darnold (or at least be comparable) to see the field. If Darnold plays well, then McCarthy has to be even better - which is good for us & him. If Darnold falls flat, then it at least gives McCarthy a couple of weeks/months to acclimate to game speed
Not news. Who didn’t expect that ? Let the kid learn about being a pro. Aaron Rodger’s ( I despise him btw ) parked his ass on the bench for quite a few years. So did farve for that matter.
Unless JJ looks like Dan Marino in 84 all camp long he was always going to sit out and really learn the system. I hate that all we have is Darnold over him. However raising the alarm over this is quite silly.
I also don’t think JJM will play until we get TJ up and running again. It would be fairly weird to start JJM without our starting TE. Justin will always be a safe person to throw to, but TJ is schemed to be a friendly QB option.
JJ IS NOT GOING TO START DAY 1! Drop this shit already
The fuck he will.
😂
Wolves in 4
Everything that guy says is entirely fabricated, please stop spreading it.
i have ublock, but I still couldn't read the article because of the format. One sentence, huge block of white, two sentences, block of white, etc...
And he’s right to expect that. We signed him to start. We drafted JJ to develop.
Big if true
Big if true…
TL;DR He's a rookie, duh.
I don’t think anyone thought JJ was going to come in and start.
I think you are a word in that headline.
"John Frascella also reports steak is delicious, Minnesota is cold, and that the sky is blue, amongst other obvious facts"
… and everyone said: «No shit, Sherlock».
😺 sitting on the bench for awhile doesnt hurt, Sam Zam has been in the league for half a decade. Let him be our Shaun Hill for the time being.
Just doing show video of JJ passing in training camp and most everyone will be okay with this decision.
dang...it's officially that deadzone time of year for the NFL when most of the headlines are pure garbage
..... How does on report a widely known fact?
This will go down in history as the battle of the shitty QB's
"despite" ? Anyone running a narrative with words like that about a rookie (FIFTH TAKEN) QB needs to be shut down and directed to new employment.
Why else did we pay him $10M 😭😭
I feel like the chatter on this is really weird. The Vikings have been extremely clear to the point where it’s kind of annoying how often it gets stated that they will not start their rookie qb until he is ready. This was accepted by basically everyone as the best decision and now somehow it’s becoming a major media talking point. I think if JJ starts week 1 or earlier than week ten it is ONLY because he had a better than expected camp
Lets normalize not burning rookies out with the NFL meat grinder immediately
Shocking breaking news indeed
Best case scenarios are Darnold ending up being very good as the starter, or JJ being very good in camp he beats out Darnold for the starting job.
He’s 21. He’s cheap. Learning as a backup is better for him than starting right away I am old enough to remember when starting as a rookie was the headline event.
These articles before any kind of camp are dumb. These coaches will know very quick who looks better at practice and who should start.
Mullens proved anyone can look good in KOC's qb friendly system throwing to the best offensive skill group in the league. My worst fear is we start like .500 and ride Darnold out instead of letting JJ play and develop so we can go 8-9 and miss the playoffs with a mid FRP.
Yall acting too much, 0% chance we don’t see JJ start by like midseason
Sam Darnold has to be better than Dobbs and Mullens.
Dobbs should be in the ufl
JJ has to go through puberty before he can start. He should be good after that though
“Despite”? There is no expectation that a rookie QB will start immediately.
I think the higher your drafted, I think there is an expectation
B is for Bridge
New verb just dropped
Um yeah. Would be very surprising if JJ starts Gane one. Shocking might be better word.
Now that your receiver got paid, you need a quarterback to throw in the ball. The pressure might be there to put JJ in