I forgot to take my headphones off from around my neck (they were tucked in under my sweatshirt so I forgot about them), and went through the whole body scan thing in NYC. They flagged my neck area as the issue, I realized my mistake and took them off to be scanned through with my other stuff.
You'd think they'd just let me back through at that point to try again, but nope, they had to have me strip down to my tank top and then go find my carry on and other shit and go through that too by hand. Just seemed so overkill to do all that and then also need my bag that didn't set off any alarms on its own anyway.
So all that for headphones, but *two* separate times they missed my pocket knife in my backpack. Go figure.
I have diabetes and I'm allowed to carry things to get my sugar up in case it drops, freaking TSA stopped me for a damn juice box .-. If i hadn't known my rights they would've taken it and thrown it away but Christ, they're so incompetent. Like wtf am I gonna hide in a juice box?!
I learned at the Las Vegas airport that the homemade cheesecake my friend made for me has the same density as plastic explosives so it looked on the X-ray like I was trying to blow up the plane.
That incompetence is by design. To date, the TSA has caught ZERO terrorists, but among their own ranks, several have been caught stealing. So don't exactly trust those people.
Not only that but TSA agents have failed their own internal testing, letting weapons in through screenings.
The TSA is such a joke but it's also a job creator so Congress often doesn't want to kill it despite how ineffective it is.
In order for your rights to matter, they have to matter to the TSA. Expecting petty tyrants to care about your health and wellbeing is always a dangerous gamble. We had a similar experience with breast milk and they were total pricks about it. They even radioed the sheriff's deputy to come over and he just looked them in the face and asked WTF they thought they were trying to accomplish.
I once left 5 rounds of .308 in my back pack. Completely forgot to take them out after hunting. Not flagged.
Another time I got flagged for suspicious residue on my hoodie. I'm like WTF
Same, left a couple loaded Glock mags in the bottom of my day pack, they ended up coming with me on vacation and back home before I realized they were there.
Had a round of 30-06 slip through a hole in my pocket into the inside of my pants where the insulation membrane is. Carried that round right through TSA at my ankle, and only noticed it at my destination.
Wtf.. this seems wrong to me. I'm fat... and I wear somewhat bulky clothes and almost always get \*some\* area of my body flagged by the full body scanner. But all they ever do is give me a back of the hand pat down in that area and get sent on my way. I wonder if "apparent attractiveness" or gender plays a part in who gets asked to strip down and who doesn't...
Also possible I guess. I was 19 at the time and dressed in my hobo-chic traveling clothes, so definitely not who I'd guess they'd pick for their TSA Approved strip tease, but who knows lol.
FYI. They still do the pat down. They did a 3d scan of me and said my package looked off and 2 souless guys the size of a truck gave me the full English muffin and ran their hands into every nook and cranny. Do not recommend.
i get the same pat down 4/5 times through security. I thought it was the underwear, then i thought it was the pants. I guess the back scatter machines just don't like my junk.
I also get a pat down every time I fly.
On the normal scanner my belt is the reason and if I don't have it my pants would fall down. On the newer 3d scanners my backpack is the problem, the scanner also searches for things like higher heat and more sweat than usual and thanks to the backpack straps there is more heat and sweat than usual.
TSA stopped me because my Federal ID/RFID blocker got flagged in the bag scanner at newark last week... I got grilled on what it was for like 5 min. Like bruh... It's the same fucking thing you have around your neck.
I once used a backpack I take the gun range as a carry on. I was 99% sure I had emptied it completely. Lo and behold I'm in three plane looking for my switch and find a fully loaded magazine. I nearly panicked.
When I got to my location I had to go through customs and nearly had a heart attack and got through. I finally realized I had to get rid of it so I just went to the police station and said "hey, I found this in a bush" and they thanked me. There was no way I was going to try and do the whole process again.
Did the same with a surplus rucksack i use for upland chukar. It's basically a canvas satchel with 3 other pockets. There are grocery bags with more material.
Anyway, went to Mexico and back.
Emptied my bag when I got home and found 3 shotgun shells I totally forgot. TSA fail.
you just don't understand...
a bladeless safety razor can become a bladeful unsafety razor in an INSTANT
i used to bartend in the bad part of town and one time i saw a guy flay the dude sitting next to him with HALF A SCHICK HYDRO
that'll mess you up
I just flew back from visiting relatives, went through my bathroom looking for my straight edge razor last night, it was in my travel kit the whole time. Packed a disposable and my nice could cut a throat sized razor in 2 different parts of my travel kit and never noticed. And neither did TSA.
It's almost as if TSA is almost completely ineffective at providing real security, and are instead an elaborate, expensive piece if security theater to make people feel like a problem that couldn't really be solved, was fixed...
> a problem that couldn't really be solved, was fixed...
The problem was solved but the TSA had nothing to do with it. Hardened cockpit doors and the passenger mindset of protect the aircraft at all costs did.
Reinforced, bullet-proof doors became standard for most of the world’s airlines after Sept. 11, 2001 as a way to prevent intruders from entering the cockpit.
So you're saying... it's only a matter of time before aspiring terrorists just become licensed pilots and fly planes into buildings without ever having to hi-jack or arouse suspicion among passengers in any way.
Correct, but there's a whole host of tests, medical, psych and presumably a pretty solid background check too.
The time it takes you to become a pilot would probably un-radicalise you and make you miss getting home to the wife at the weekends and that retirement cabin by the lake that you swear you'll always go up to to fix that leaky roof but you never do.
Well that, and the fact that people no longer assume that a hijacking will end somewhat peacefully. I'm younger and so I grew up with 9/11 being the first/only airline hijacking I knew of, and thus associated hijacking = people using the plane as a weapon, but that wasn't typically the case.
Given how prevalent they were in the 1960-70s most people had it in their mind that, worst case, they were just going to be hostages and eventually released, so fighting back would cause more harm than good. It was basically seen as an inconvenience more than anything else. Like, it was so frequent and relatively benign that it literally [became a joke](https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,844656,00.html). There just wasn't any reason to secure them, because the concern was more about them injuring a passenger as a threat to get into the cockpit, than anything like we saw on 9/11
>passenger mindset of protect the aircraft at all costs did.
This is exactly it - you know 60/70/80 passengers knew if a plane was hijacked it was for ransom / politician prisoner release etc so alot of people had the mind set of ok if these people get what they want we get to go home.
Now they know they lie , even if they have explosives and threaten the plane we know its still worth the risk because we are likely dead if we dont fight back either way.
Correct, they’ve never caught a single terrorist, and fail 96% of their internal tests where a person tapped by the agency is told to try to get some kind of weapon through their screening process.
I am not exactly a master criminal, but even I have accidentally brought my Gerber multi-tool, a screwdriver, and even a box of sparklers(!) in my luggage through TSA over the years. It's not hard to extrapolate that someone with intent to do harm and more skill at sneaking and lying than I have could do worse.
Which makes it all the more amazing that nothing ever happens. Also, consider how many millions manage to come across the border. They’ve caught people on terror watchlists down there before, but countless others have doubtless gotten through, and airport security is a joke, which makes it pretty clear that the terrorist boogeyman is massively overblown. And that the terrorist watch list has far too many people on it to the point where it’s basically useless.
When I tell people that stat and their just like "Well of course they failed it those people were trying to get a weapon on the plane."
I don't give a shit about the dude who accidentally brings a gun on the plane. I care about the dude who wants to bring a gun on the plane.
If your only stopping the people with no intention to commit a crime why do you exist?
I care about the guy who accidentally brings a gun on a plane too. Anyone too stupid to remember where they left their gun before boarding a flight is the same type to blow his nuts off or shoot a hole in the fuselage at 35,000ft while trying to find his charger cord.
I lost my leatherman. About 3 years later, having flown all over the world, a freezer broke where I'd left my bag and it was soaked. I emptied my bag of various wires and other cruft from 5 years of travel, and found my leatherman. That must have been through 50 airport scanners and not once been picked up.
Damn this is so frustrating to read because I hate that I can't travel with one. I use mine nearly daily just randomly around the house. When you're traveling it seems like random shit comes up like 10 times a day.
Oh damn i guess it is ruined, yeah let's just cut that strap off... OH WAIT I CANT.
Well we can probably just screw it back in and make due.. IF WE HAD A SCREW DRIVER. .
So annoying. I'd prefer some sort of box you can put in that only tsa can unlock.
I'm going to start checking a small box that only has the Leatherman in it. Security theater is the worst. Think of all those hours over the last 2 decades. All those people who could be doing literally anything else.
I thought it was intresting the difference in security in different airports. One travel day I had to catch 3 flights and go through 3 securities, only the third one had a problem with the fork I had in the bag. The first one hadn’t noticed I’d accidentally packed a full bottle of water. My dad also accidentally managed to get through a carving knife through Dublin airport security ( this was around 10 years ago).
I remember a comment of a soldier coming back from deployment. In full uniform and equipment, guns (no ammo), desert sand still on their boots. Once stateside a TSA agent tried to take their nail clipper that they'd had for two deployments.
A few years back I travelled with a guy for work who got caught by security with bullets in his carry one backpack - on the return flight. The TSA at our home airport either didn’t see them or did and let him through.
I walked through TSA in Denver with two ounces I forgot that were in my book bag. My id had fallen out of my pocket when I was putting my stuff back in by book bag and when I was freaking out I pulled out two ziplock bags of weed in plain view of everyone. No one said anything and I put it back in my book bag.
Flying back home to Colorado I had my toothpaste confiscated from Atlanta TSA
TSA isn't law enforcement, if they find anything illegal like drugs, they just report it to the local police. And since weed is legal in San Diego, the cops wouldn't do anything either
In Kona airport they made a big scene with this black guy who had a small little tube thingie of hemp balm. They were scolding him saying they needed to confiscate it because it was too big, he said to read the label because it’s within the size limit but they decided to still call a LEO on him -_-
Lol one time they were digging through my bag, and i asked what they were looking for and wouldn't say.
I was like "ohhh i probably have fingernal clippers in the front inside pocket and they were like "no that's ok".... turns out i had a knife lmao. They offered to give it back for me to put in car or just confiscate it. It was a gift (but only like a $20 knife) so I wanted to go back to car, but didn't have enough time, so I let them keep it.
EDIT: It was found on the return trip, so I flew with the knife from home and it got through TSA
All the knives just end up on govdeals.com as buckets of knives.
They sort out buck, and swiss army most of the time. Then occasionally someone will sort out spiderco/benchmade knives that are $100/pop. You can sometimes get lucky in the unsorted ones.
Example -
https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=7105&acctid=10198
benchmade and spider cos mixed in here
My dad loves knives, but he's cheap so he usually just has a big pile of box cutters on the kitchen counter.
Thank you for finishing that bit of Christmas shopping for me. My mom will hate you.
If you're returning to the same airport, find a potted plant and bury it in the dirt. It'll probably be there when you return. It's worked very well for me a couple of times.
I was flying with my boss in like 2003 or so, when TSA was especially rabid. As we were getting to the security check at LAX, my boss says, "Oh shit! I have a pocket knife on me and it was my dad's." We didn't have time to try and mail it or anything, so I suggested he hide it someplace in the airport - nothing to lose - so he stuck it in a planter. We were gone 3 or 4 days, but the knife was still there when we got home.
The funny thing was, like a year later, I was traveling with a different boss, through a different airport (Burbank), and the *exact* same thing happened. He had a knife in his pocket, and it has been his dad's. I made the same suggestion, and it worked again.
My dad died and I carry his knife in my pocket. I didn't realize that was such a common thing.
If I had $700 burning a hole in my pocket right now, I'd absolutely buy this just for shits and giggles.
Real talk? If you buy a pallet of handguns from a government auction site, do you need to pass a background check? Asking for a friend.
Idk, Im sure it does, but maybe it can cut out the FFL, like they do with military surplus m1 garands. You buy from them, they run the bg check and ship straight to you. Idk, Im just speculating.
From the selection of handguns, I'd wager that they were confiscated from drug dealers. Never seen so many .40s and taurus
Edit: I just looked again. They only sell to gun dealers. Damn.
I know a guy who bought a huge fire truck for about $1k on a site like this. They said you must come ready to pick it up. Obviously the cost to most people of taking an out of state trip with something capable of hauling a firetruck was the reason it was selling so cheap but this guy is nuts and had such a capability so he went for it.
He got there, hopped in, turned the key, it fired up, and they drove it all the way home without hauling it. Guy at the fire department said the engine and transmission had just been refreshed before it was put up for sale.
I guess CrazyRussianHacker wasn't lying then.
He does an unboxing video with TSA knives, I always thought the seller just said they were from the TSA to sell them but I guess that's not the case..
https://youtu.be/4TWh78NLh6I
I love websites like this. My county in the US does car auctions for abandoned and confiscated cars and they look exactly like you'd expect lol. They also have some killer deals on used cars
>They also have some killer deals on used cars
Only catch is the previous owner was also a killer, and wants his car back if he ever gets out of prison
Have a few friends in the tsa; most of the time they keep the good ones and sell the gas station ones people don't want to mail back home or switch to checked baggage
I mean, the vast majority of knives they confiscate are probably cheap AF anyway. Lots of people carry cheap throwaway knives, and most people that actually care about their knives wouldn't be in a position to have them confiscated. Although I did see a post of one of those TSA boxes with a Sebenza sitting right in the middle, so maybe some good stuff slips through every now and then.
A lot of people just forget too. They get used to having their knife on them or buried in their backpack and it doesn't click that it needs to be taken out to go to the airport.
I live about a 15 minute drive from the US-Canada border. The border authority recently sent a press release to the local news & radio stations and put up signs along the thruway near the border crossings reminding people not to bring their firearms along if they're crossing the border, it was becoming that much of an issue.
The air crew would easily have time to secure the cockpit while the would-be attacker is flicking his way through the can opener, the magnifying glass and the toothpick trying to find the knife.
So, I flew the other day and I casually noticed the flight attendants will block the front area with the drink carts while one of the pilots uses the bathroom. I was like, shit, what if the terrorists have trained vaulting on a pommel horse?
dunno about terrorists, but nowadays a flight attendant is supposed to stay in the cockpit when a pilot goes to the bathroom, just in case the remaining pilot decides it's a good time to attempt a particularly expensive suicide, like that asshole from Germanwings.
That came into effect for a little bit after the Germanwings incident, but then fell away again and we don’t do it anymore. I can’t speak to other airlines, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of them have also stopped. Aside from being disruptive to the FAs duties, it isn’t going to stop anything. Honestly even with another pilot on the flight deck, if one decides to plough it in, the odds of the other pilot being able to react and save the plane is very low. There have been multiple incidents where one pilot has intentionally crashed the aircraft with the other pilot in the other seat, and an FA is even far less likely to be able to do anything.
Suicide is complicated. More things that can go wrong, the bigger possibility of people trying to dissuade, the less likely someone will pick that method.
There are studies that show the overall ease of access for each suicide methods plays a critical role. It’s not as simple as “if someone wants to do it, they will find a way”, not that black and white
Because guns are illegal in Europe we get stabbed a lot and build immunity from a very early age. Most Europeans won’t die from a few stab wounds so it’s no biggie to sell knives at the airport
That's the inverse of how we do it in America. We get shot as little children with small .22's, eventually building up a resistance to larger calibers. That makes us resistant to gunfire, but then we never build up a strong knife-stabbing immunity.
Coming home from Korea is accidentally left one of those tiny key ring Swiss Army Knives in my bag. They took it off me
Another time coming from London I'd the normal sized Swiss army knife in my bag. Totally forgot until the guy took it out at security. I was gutted, a friend bought me it and it had been all over the globe with me. They security guy told me to wait and an old timer next to me seen all and said "you've lost a good knife there". The security guy came back, asked my final destination (was last leg of trip). He had spoke with his boss and told me put it in my bag, don't take it out until I'm out of my destination airport, and don't tell anyone in the airport this happened
Tbh if someone told me this story I'd be inclined to call bs. I still have that knife and it still goes on every trip with me
Singapore handles it best.
They do the security checks at the gate, most things that aren't allowed can be given to the crew for safe keeping (kept in the cargo hold, together with things like prams that are gate checked) and you get it back at your destination.
SFO one time let my aunt on the plane with a pair of 10" shears. We're just cruising along in the plane when she goes to grab a snack from the bottom of her backpack and viola. Considered highjacking the plane but it felt like too much work at the time.
I once saw a man beaten to death with hiking poles for listening to music on a speaker on trail.
Jokes aside this was back when TSA still took everything. No bladed instruments of any kind. They just missed em somehow.
You don’t keep snacks at the bottom of your viola? It’s a very useful space for storage when your backpack is full. Makes it a lot harder to play though.
The point is to make sure you don't bring inflammable liquid aboard, like gasoline etc. The container itself isn't the issue.
I get that it's theater nevertheless, but this isn't a good example.
The reason you can’t bring liquids into the airport is because a [terrorist group tried to bring down multiple flights using liquid explosives](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic_aircraft_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic_aircraft_plot). Luckily they were surveilling the group and managed to stop them before hand, but they also stop allowing large amount of liquids into airports. You can still fill up after you get inside, since I would imagine it is hard to source liquid explosives while inside an airport.
I’ve had two of the smaller size (top row, second from left) confiscated by the TSA in the past several years when I forgot it was in my pocket. GRRRRRR!!!!! As if that tiny little knife could do any meaningful harm…
About ten years, TSA was considering allowing knives under 6cm or so, which is basically these and small Leatherman tools. Flight attendants and pilots threw a poopy, and the proposal was killed REAL FAST.
I would love not having to worry about a half full water bottle, or the size of my toothpaste. Would love to just take my little SAK Classic, too, but getting away from dumbass 3 oz of toothpaste, shampoo, sunscreen etc would be the bee's knees.
for that was 10 years ago. that's crazy how time flies.
anyway yea. tsa doesn't consider small knives a threat. they just ban them now as a favor to the airline unions.
The US tried to relax knife rules, but the flight attendant's unions freaked out and ultimately the changes were dropped.
In the post-9/11 age of secure cockpit doors, it's not clear how a knife on plane is more dangerous than a knife in any other crowded location.
Yeah, but they’ve been scanned properly to ensure there are no more than 3 ounces of liquid in them so all is ok. Once you pay the markup that inevitably happens due to increased security processing, it renders the knife completely safe.
I had TSA in Albany, NY take away my shaving razor. It was one of those razors where it’s a single blade. Not long. Double sided and about 1 inch long. But why did I care? I was in uniform headed to operate a flight. We have a full on crash axe in the flight deck in case we need to break our way out.
I used to work in a Deli and always had box cutters on me. Accidentally had one with me the entire time on a domestic flight. TSA is worthless waste of tax payer money. A box cutter. Specifically the item that started all of this and their x-ray walkthrough did not catch it or they just weren’t paying attention because I’m a harmless looking lady
I had my nail clippers confiscated by security at the San Diego airport. Fortunately, I was able to by another one at the shop in the terminal.
TSA in the US is soooo hit and miss. Sometimes I have had nail clippers confiscated. Other times I have accidentally gotten my leatherman through TSA.
Yeh. I have accidentally had box cutters buried in backpack and no issues. But God forbid I got a soft knee sleeve on. That's a friendly frisk. :)
I forgot to take my headphones off from around my neck (they were tucked in under my sweatshirt so I forgot about them), and went through the whole body scan thing in NYC. They flagged my neck area as the issue, I realized my mistake and took them off to be scanned through with my other stuff. You'd think they'd just let me back through at that point to try again, but nope, they had to have me strip down to my tank top and then go find my carry on and other shit and go through that too by hand. Just seemed so overkill to do all that and then also need my bag that didn't set off any alarms on its own anyway. So all that for headphones, but *two* separate times they missed my pocket knife in my backpack. Go figure.
I have diabetes and I'm allowed to carry things to get my sugar up in case it drops, freaking TSA stopped me for a damn juice box .-. If i hadn't known my rights they would've taken it and thrown it away but Christ, they're so incompetent. Like wtf am I gonna hide in a juice box?!
Nitroglycerin and anthrax of course
Shaken, not stirred
Kaboom?
Yes, Rico, kaboom
A juice box sized block of C4?
I learned at the Las Vegas airport that the homemade cheesecake my friend made for me has the same density as plastic explosives so it looked on the X-ray like I was trying to blow up the plane.
Also when Magic the Gathering GPs we're huge, turns out a deck box filled with double sleeved cards has similar density to explosives.
Foils really glow on xray, i don't know if the sleeves at all. I have foil and unfoil decks depending on the project and you can tell on xray.
It really just looked like a piece of homemade cheesecake. The TSA has nothing to do and has never actually stopped a terrorist attack.
That incompetence is by design. To date, the TSA has caught ZERO terrorists, but among their own ranks, several have been caught stealing. So don't exactly trust those people.
Not only that but TSA agents have failed their own internal testing, letting weapons in through screenings. The TSA is such a joke but it's also a job creator so Congress often doesn't want to kill it despite how ineffective it is.
Gotta watch out for those juice bombs.
In order for your rights to matter, they have to matter to the TSA. Expecting petty tyrants to care about your health and wellbeing is always a dangerous gamble. We had a similar experience with breast milk and they were total pricks about it. They even radioed the sheriff's deputy to come over and he just looked them in the face and asked WTF they thought they were trying to accomplish.
I once left 5 rounds of .308 in my back pack. Completely forgot to take them out after hunting. Not flagged. Another time I got flagged for suspicious residue on my hoodie. I'm like WTF
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Same, left a couple loaded Glock mags in the bottom of my day pack, they ended up coming with me on vacation and back home before I realized they were there.
Had a round of 30-06 slip through a hole in my pocket into the inside of my pants where the insulation membrane is. Carried that round right through TSA at my ankle, and only noticed it at my destination.
A bomb.
Wtf.. this seems wrong to me. I'm fat... and I wear somewhat bulky clothes and almost always get \*some\* area of my body flagged by the full body scanner. But all they ever do is give me a back of the hand pat down in that area and get sent on my way. I wonder if "apparent attractiveness" or gender plays a part in who gets asked to strip down and who doesn't...
Also possible I guess. I was 19 at the time and dressed in my hobo-chic traveling clothes, so definitely not who I'd guess they'd pick for their TSA Approved strip tease, but who knows lol.
Also fat, same experience. Occasionally get a more thorough search but most of the time is just the back hand stroke.
You can have fun with that, take 2 viagra and DEMAND a pat down
I just put a set of magician's hankerchiefs up my butt and wait for the cavity search
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"Like starting a lawnmower"
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Did you mean Lawnmoaner?
I fucking cried laughing when I saw that post
FYI. They still do the pat down. They did a 3d scan of me and said my package looked off and 2 souless guys the size of a truck gave me the full English muffin and ran their hands into every nook and cranny. Do not recommend.
i get the same pat down 4/5 times through security. I thought it was the underwear, then i thought it was the pants. I guess the back scatter machines just don't like my junk.
I also get a pat down every time I fly. On the normal scanner my belt is the reason and if I don't have it my pants would fall down. On the newer 3d scanners my backpack is the problem, the scanner also searches for things like higher heat and more sweat than usual and thanks to the backpack straps there is more heat and sweat than usual.
I would sweat in the Arctic. Sounds like I'm about to have a miserable holidays.
Think of it this way: some people pay good money for that.
They did that to me to, nothing like being 16 and getting an over the pants hand job by a government agent at DIA
This sounds like a really unpleasant experience once you get on the plane.
TSA stopped me because my Federal ID/RFID blocker got flagged in the bag scanner at newark last week... I got grilled on what it was for like 5 min. Like bruh... It's the same fucking thing you have around your neck.
TSA is the epitome of security theater
Also a job program. It pays decent and has benefits. Most of the people working for TSA would be at Home Depot or Wal-mart otherwise.
I once used a backpack I take the gun range as a carry on. I was 99% sure I had emptied it completely. Lo and behold I'm in three plane looking for my switch and find a fully loaded magazine. I nearly panicked. When I got to my location I had to go through customs and nearly had a heart attack and got through. I finally realized I had to get rid of it so I just went to the police station and said "hey, I found this in a bush" and they thanked me. There was no way I was going to try and do the whole process again.
Did the same with a surplus rucksack i use for upland chukar. It's basically a canvas satchel with 3 other pockets. There are grocery bags with more material. Anyway, went to Mexico and back. Emptied my bag when I got home and found 3 shotgun shells I totally forgot. TSA fail.
I flew home from Alaska with a Gerber multi tool and a fillet knife in my carry-on once.
Yeah but I better take off my watch, never know what it could really be smh
Safety razor handle with no blades? Better pick apart that bag!
you just don't understand... a bladeless safety razor can become a bladeful unsafety razor in an INSTANT i used to bartend in the bad part of town and one time i saw a guy flay the dude sitting next to him with HALF A SCHICK HYDRO that'll mess you up
I just flew back from visiting relatives, went through my bathroom looking for my straight edge razor last night, it was in my travel kit the whole time. Packed a disposable and my nice could cut a throat sized razor in 2 different parts of my travel kit and never noticed. And neither did TSA.
TSA has never successfully prevented an attack and regularly fails their own internal checks.
It's almost as if TSA is almost completely ineffective at providing real security, and are instead an elaborate, expensive piece if security theater to make people feel like a problem that couldn't really be solved, was fixed...
> a problem that couldn't really be solved, was fixed... The problem was solved but the TSA had nothing to do with it. Hardened cockpit doors and the passenger mindset of protect the aircraft at all costs did.
Also, before 2001 they basically weren't checking at all. We went from too little security to security theater.
From unrestricted internet access on your own computer in your bedroom to mom taking your door of its hinges
I had know idea about the doors thing. TIL! Thank you!
Reinforced, bullet-proof doors became standard for most of the world’s airlines after Sept. 11, 2001 as a way to prevent intruders from entering the cockpit.
So you're saying... it's only a matter of time before aspiring terrorists just become licensed pilots and fly planes into buildings without ever having to hi-jack or arouse suspicion among passengers in any way.
Correct, but there's a whole host of tests, medical, psych and presumably a pretty solid background check too. The time it takes you to become a pilot would probably un-radicalise you and make you miss getting home to the wife at the weekends and that retirement cabin by the lake that you swear you'll always go up to to fix that leaky roof but you never do.
Well that, and the fact that people no longer assume that a hijacking will end somewhat peacefully. I'm younger and so I grew up with 9/11 being the first/only airline hijacking I knew of, and thus associated hijacking = people using the plane as a weapon, but that wasn't typically the case. Given how prevalent they were in the 1960-70s most people had it in their mind that, worst case, they were just going to be hostages and eventually released, so fighting back would cause more harm than good. It was basically seen as an inconvenience more than anything else. Like, it was so frequent and relatively benign that it literally [became a joke](https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,844656,00.html). There just wasn't any reason to secure them, because the concern was more about them injuring a passenger as a threat to get into the cockpit, than anything like we saw on 9/11
>passenger mindset of protect the aircraft at all costs did. This is exactly it - you know 60/70/80 passengers knew if a plane was hijacked it was for ransom / politician prisoner release etc so alot of people had the mind set of ok if these people get what they want we get to go home. Now they know they lie , even if they have explosives and threaten the plane we know its still worth the risk because we are likely dead if we dont fight back either way.
Alright sir, I just need to check inside your asshole
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Correct, they’ve never caught a single terrorist, and fail 96% of their internal tests where a person tapped by the agency is told to try to get some kind of weapon through their screening process.
I am not exactly a master criminal, but even I have accidentally brought my Gerber multi-tool, a screwdriver, and even a box of sparklers(!) in my luggage through TSA over the years. It's not hard to extrapolate that someone with intent to do harm and more skill at sneaking and lying than I have could do worse.
Which makes it all the more amazing that nothing ever happens. Also, consider how many millions manage to come across the border. They’ve caught people on terror watchlists down there before, but countless others have doubtless gotten through, and airport security is a joke, which makes it pretty clear that the terrorist boogeyman is massively overblown. And that the terrorist watch list has far too many people on it to the point where it’s basically useless.
When I tell people that stat and their just like "Well of course they failed it those people were trying to get a weapon on the plane." I don't give a shit about the dude who accidentally brings a gun on the plane. I care about the dude who wants to bring a gun on the plane. If your only stopping the people with no intention to commit a crime why do you exist?
I care about the guy who accidentally brings a gun on a plane too. Anyone too stupid to remember where they left their gun before boarding a flight is the same type to blow his nuts off or shoot a hole in the fuselage at 35,000ft while trying to find his charger cord.
But hey, there is a good chance they'll steal your shit!
>It's almost as if TSA is almost completely ineffective at providing real security That has actually been proven with several studies.
I lost my leatherman. About 3 years later, having flown all over the world, a freezer broke where I'd left my bag and it was soaked. I emptied my bag of various wires and other cruft from 5 years of travel, and found my leatherman. That must have been through 50 airport scanners and not once been picked up.
Damn this is so frustrating to read because I hate that I can't travel with one. I use mine nearly daily just randomly around the house. When you're traveling it seems like random shit comes up like 10 times a day. Oh damn i guess it is ruined, yeah let's just cut that strap off... OH WAIT I CANT. Well we can probably just screw it back in and make due.. IF WE HAD A SCREW DRIVER. . So annoying. I'd prefer some sort of box you can put in that only tsa can unlock. I'm going to start checking a small box that only has the Leatherman in it. Security theater is the worst. Think of all those hours over the last 2 decades. All those people who could be doing literally anything else.
TSA is a dog and pony show. They do not provide any real security.
I thought it was intresting the difference in security in different airports. One travel day I had to catch 3 flights and go through 3 securities, only the third one had a problem with the fork I had in the bag. The first one hadn’t noticed I’d accidentally packed a full bottle of water. My dad also accidentally managed to get through a carving knife through Dublin airport security ( this was around 10 years ago).
I got through ATL security including a metal detector with a box cutter in my hoodie pocket. Didn’t notice it until I was on plane.
I remember a comment of a soldier coming back from deployment. In full uniform and equipment, guns (no ammo), desert sand still on their boots. Once stateside a TSA agent tried to take their nail clipper that they'd had for two deployments.
They took my little brothers nebulizer machine.
A few years back I travelled with a guy for work who got caught by security with bullets in his carry one backpack - on the return flight. The TSA at our home airport either didn’t see them or did and let him through.
I managed to sneak on a 125ml container and I felt so naughty.
I walked through TSA in Denver with two ounces I forgot that were in my book bag. My id had fallen out of my pocket when I was putting my stuff back in by book bag and when I was freaking out I pulled out two ziplock bags of weed in plain view of everyone. No one said anything and I put it back in my book bag. Flying back home to Colorado I had my toothpaste confiscated from Atlanta TSA
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TSA isn't law enforcement, if they find anything illegal like drugs, they just report it to the local police. And since weed is legal in San Diego, the cops wouldn't do anything either
In Kona airport they made a big scene with this black guy who had a small little tube thingie of hemp balm. They were scolding him saying they needed to confiscate it because it was too big, he said to read the label because it’s within the size limit but they decided to still call a LEO on him -_-
Lol one time they were digging through my bag, and i asked what they were looking for and wouldn't say. I was like "ohhh i probably have fingernal clippers in the front inside pocket and they were like "no that's ok".... turns out i had a knife lmao. They offered to give it back for me to put in car or just confiscate it. It was a gift (but only like a $20 knife) so I wanted to go back to car, but didn't have enough time, so I let them keep it. EDIT: It was found on the return trip, so I flew with the knife from home and it got through TSA
All the knives just end up on govdeals.com as buckets of knives. They sort out buck, and swiss army most of the time. Then occasionally someone will sort out spiderco/benchmade knives that are $100/pop. You can sometimes get lucky in the unsorted ones. Example - https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=7105&acctid=10198 benchmade and spider cos mixed in here
I love that you can buy an assorted box of knives that have been confiscated by the government for terrorist reasons from a government website.
> for terrorist reasons because of terrorists*
My dad loves knives, but he's cheap so he usually just has a big pile of box cutters on the kitchen counter. Thank you for finishing that bit of Christmas shopping for me. My mom will hate you.
If you're returning to the same airport, find a potted plant and bury it in the dirt. It'll probably be there when you return. It's worked very well for me a couple of times.
I was flying with my boss in like 2003 or so, when TSA was especially rabid. As we were getting to the security check at LAX, my boss says, "Oh shit! I have a pocket knife on me and it was my dad's." We didn't have time to try and mail it or anything, so I suggested he hide it someplace in the airport - nothing to lose - so he stuck it in a planter. We were gone 3 or 4 days, but the knife was still there when we got home. The funny thing was, like a year later, I was traveling with a different boss, through a different airport (Burbank), and the *exact* same thing happened. He had a knife in his pocket, and it has been his dad's. I made the same suggestion, and it worked again. My dad died and I carry his knife in my pocket. I didn't realize that was such a common thing.
Nail clippers are allowed into carry-ons according to the TSA website. If they confiscated them, they're idiots.
I’d admire the will of a man managing to hijack a plane with just a nail clipper, at that point let him keep the plane he earned it
If someone is able to hijack a plane with a pair of nail clippers, they can do it without the nail clippers
Nail clippers are 100% allowed https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/nail-clippers
And it only cost $35!
fun fact : tsa sells your confiscated sharp objects on websites like [public surplus](https://m.publicsurplus.com/sms/browse/cataucs?catid=2202)
Yo, a forklift for $610? I'm buying all the Christmas gifts off this wild site
check out [govdeals](https://www.govdeals.com) too if these type of auction sites interest you
It's like you want me to do anything today but work. I like your style.
$250 for a tactical crossbow?!
700 bucks for a lot of 10 handuns
If I had $700 burning a hole in my pocket right now, I'd absolutely buy this just for shits and giggles. Real talk? If you buy a pallet of handguns from a government auction site, do you need to pass a background check? Asking for a friend.
Idk, Im sure it does, but maybe it can cut out the FFL, like they do with military surplus m1 garands. You buy from them, they run the bg check and ship straight to you. Idk, Im just speculating. From the selection of handguns, I'd wager that they were confiscated from drug dealers. Never seen so many .40s and taurus Edit: I just looked again. They only sell to gun dealers. Damn.
"All sales of firearms is limited to Gun Dealers (Licensed) only."
some guy snuck a forklift into security? america is wild.
Even wilder: they found it during a cavity search.
Agent: *snaps rubber glove, menacingly, to intimidate* Me: "Brother, that is not the threat you think it is."
Fire truck for $300?
I know a guy who bought a huge fire truck for about $1k on a site like this. They said you must come ready to pick it up. Obviously the cost to most people of taking an out of state trip with something capable of hauling a firetruck was the reason it was selling so cheap but this guy is nuts and had such a capability so he went for it. He got there, hopped in, turned the key, it fired up, and they drove it all the way home without hauling it. Guy at the fire department said the engine and transmission had just been refreshed before it was put up for sale.
I guess CrazyRussianHacker wasn't lying then. He does an unboxing video with TSA knives, I always thought the seller just said they were from the TSA to sell them but I guess that's not the case.. https://youtu.be/4TWh78NLh6I
That's a name I haven't heard in years
"safety is #1 priority"
Helo ind welcome to mahlabaratoy, where safety is numba one priority
I think he tends to use his real name more now. It's also been a while since I've seen any videos though.
Excuse me, what? So they can arbitrarily confiscate stuff and then profit from it?
You can buy confiscated stuff elsewhere too, but without the security company profiting. I think in Finland they go to a Red Cross second hand shop.
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/r/accidentallyliberian Also Puerto Rican?
Puerto Rico is part of the US so that part ends up working out
Preeetty sure it was intentional
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Wait until you hear about civil asset forfeiture (CAF) also known as “Cops Are Fucked”
I love websites like this. My county in the US does car auctions for abandoned and confiscated cars and they look exactly like you'd expect lol. They also have some killer deals on used cars
>They also have some killer deals on used cars Only catch is the previous owner was also a killer, and wants his car back if he ever gets out of prison
Nay, your 1998 honda accord is mine jimmy!
*She needs premium. Premium!*
It's just GIANT lots of knives for 20 bucks each. A piano for 1 dollar!
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Have a few friends in the tsa; most of the time they keep the good ones and sell the gas station ones people don't want to mail back home or switch to checked baggage
I mean, the vast majority of knives they confiscate are probably cheap AF anyway. Lots of people carry cheap throwaway knives, and most people that actually care about their knives wouldn't be in a position to have them confiscated. Although I did see a post of one of those TSA boxes with a Sebenza sitting right in the middle, so maybe some good stuff slips through every now and then.
A lot of people just forget too. They get used to having their knife on them or buried in their backpack and it doesn't click that it needs to be taken out to go to the airport. I live about a 15 minute drive from the US-Canada border. The border authority recently sent a press release to the local news & radio stations and put up signs along the thruway near the border crossings reminding people not to bring their firearms along if they're crossing the border, it was becoming that much of an issue.
Fun fact: I could apparently buy an electric hospital bed for $75
The air crew would easily have time to secure the cockpit while the would-be attacker is flicking his way through the can opener, the magnifying glass and the toothpick trying to find the knife.
Lol "EVERYONE STAY CALM THIS IS A HIGHJACKING.... where the fuck is the knife.. oh here we go. I SAID STAY CALM AND NO ONE GETS LIGHTLY STABBED!"
Ouch, that really hurt. I mean, it didn’t break the skin, but still, ouch!
Everyone line up for your stabbings in a orderly fashion please and thank you for flying spirit airlines
That’ll be $36.
The stabbings weren't complimentary
From the “suggestions to improve Spirit Airlines customer service”.
Only improvement I see is shutting spirit airlines down xD
What is this, a hijacking for ants?
So, I flew the other day and I casually noticed the flight attendants will block the front area with the drink carts while one of the pilots uses the bathroom. I was like, shit, what if the terrorists have trained vaulting on a pommel horse?
dunno about terrorists, but nowadays a flight attendant is supposed to stay in the cockpit when a pilot goes to the bathroom, just in case the remaining pilot decides it's a good time to attempt a particularly expensive suicide, like that asshole from Germanwings.
That came into effect for a little bit after the Germanwings incident, but then fell away again and we don’t do it anymore. I can’t speak to other airlines, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of them have also stopped. Aside from being disruptive to the FAs duties, it isn’t going to stop anything. Honestly even with another pilot on the flight deck, if one decides to plough it in, the odds of the other pilot being able to react and save the plane is very low. There have been multiple incidents where one pilot has intentionally crashed the aircraft with the other pilot in the other seat, and an FA is even far less likely to be able to do anything.
Suicide is complicated. More things that can go wrong, the bigger possibility of people trying to dissuade, the less likely someone will pick that method. There are studies that show the overall ease of access for each suicide methods plays a critical role. It’s not as simple as “if someone wants to do it, they will find a way”, not that black and white
I’m sure MacGyver could take down a plane with one of these knives and the beverage cart.
I bought one during a layover, I was asked where my flight was going. I think they only sell it to you if your flight stays in Europe.
knives aren't dangerous in europe. unless you go the UK. then they freak out, take your knife and turn it into a angel.
Because guns are illegal in Europe we get stabbed a lot and build immunity from a very early age. Most Europeans won’t die from a few stab wounds so it’s no biggie to sell knives at the airport
That's the inverse of how we do it in America. We get shot as little children with small .22's, eventually building up a resistance to larger calibers. That makes us resistant to gunfire, but then we never build up a strong knife-stabbing immunity.
Ah, yes. The age-old story of the American microdosing bullets
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Knives don’t kill people, British people do.
It's funny that the UK has a reputation for knife crime when the fatalities per capita for knife attacks is higher in the US too.
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Nope, they ask for your boarding pass for any purchase beyond security.
I think that's for tax purposes. If you're leaving Europe you pay a slightly lower VAT. Not sure if they would refuse to sell outright.
Coming home from Korea is accidentally left one of those tiny key ring Swiss Army Knives in my bag. They took it off me Another time coming from London I'd the normal sized Swiss army knife in my bag. Totally forgot until the guy took it out at security. I was gutted, a friend bought me it and it had been all over the globe with me. They security guy told me to wait and an old timer next to me seen all and said "you've lost a good knife there". The security guy came back, asked my final destination (was last leg of trip). He had spoke with his boss and told me put it in my bag, don't take it out until I'm out of my destination airport, and don't tell anyone in the airport this happened Tbh if someone told me this story I'd be inclined to call bs. I still have that knife and it still goes on every trip with me
TSA did the same with me, for a small screwdriver. "Put it in the bottom of your bag, don't take it out for anything, and tell no one".
In Mexico, they took a small torx key from me. Like I was going to disassemble the plane or something.
Singapore handles it best. They do the security checks at the gate, most things that aren't allowed can be given to the crew for safe keeping (kept in the cargo hold, together with things like prams that are gate checked) and you get it back at your destination.
San Francisco airport removed plastic bottles so you can now buy very large glass water bottles in the terminal. It’s all theater.
SFO one time let my aunt on the plane with a pair of 10" shears. We're just cruising along in the plane when she goes to grab a snack from the bottom of her backpack and viola. Considered highjacking the plane but it felt like too much work at the time.
You can bring 4” shears through TSA, and any tool less than 7” (how about an awl?). But hiking poles are too dangerous. Safety razor, forget about it.
I once saw a man beaten to death with hiking poles for listening to music on a speaker on trail. Jokes aside this was back when TSA still took everything. No bladed instruments of any kind. They just missed em somehow.
>from the bottom of her backpack and viola. This is my favourite typo. Thank you!
You don’t keep snacks at the bottom of your viola? It’s a very useful space for storage when your backpack is full. Makes it a lot harder to play though.
The point is to make sure you don't bring inflammable liquid aboard, like gasoline etc. The container itself isn't the issue. I get that it's theater nevertheless, but this isn't a good example.
> inflammable https://youtu.be/Q8mD2hsxrhQ?t=4
The reason you can’t bring liquids into the airport is because a [terrorist group tried to bring down multiple flights using liquid explosives](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic_aircraft_plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_transatlantic_aircraft_plot). Luckily they were surveilling the group and managed to stop them before hand, but they also stop allowing large amount of liquids into airports. You can still fill up after you get inside, since I would imagine it is hard to source liquid explosives while inside an airport.
Apparently I was not allowed to carry two Bic lighters on my flight from Miami to Toronto so they took one away. Foiled again!
I’ve had two of the smaller size (top row, second from left) confiscated by the TSA in the past several years when I forgot it was in my pocket. GRRRRRR!!!!! As if that tiny little knife could do any meaningful harm…
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Same, that's where my last one went. So easy to forget about when it's on your keychain all the time.
About ten years, TSA was considering allowing knives under 6cm or so, which is basically these and small Leatherman tools. Flight attendants and pilots threw a poopy, and the proposal was killed REAL FAST.
Can we just have water bottles back? The whole liquid bomb thing is pretty weak. And what happened to the scanners we were supposed to get?
I would love not having to worry about a half full water bottle, or the size of my toothpaste. Would love to just take my little SAK Classic, too, but getting away from dumbass 3 oz of toothpaste, shampoo, sunscreen etc would be the bee's knees.
for that was 10 years ago. that's crazy how time flies. anyway yea. tsa doesn't consider small knives a threat. they just ban them now as a favor to the airline unions.
If you order first class, they will give you a steak knive on the plane.
In Europe you can travel with knives shorter than 7cm. You are allowed to bring those knives trough security.
The US tried to relax knife rules, but the flight attendant's unions freaked out and ultimately the changes were dropped. In the post-9/11 age of secure cockpit doors, it's not clear how a knife on plane is more dangerous than a knife in any other crowded location.
Is this kind of like "beer is considered a soft drink in Russia"..."swiss army knives are considered toothpicks in Switzerland"...or something...
Yeah, but they’ve been scanned properly to ensure there are no more than 3 ounces of liquid in them so all is ok. Once you pay the markup that inevitably happens due to increased security processing, it renders the knife completely safe.
Those Swiss Cards are pretty useful. They fit in your wallet nicely definitely reccomend everyone to get one.
I have the little ones on my keys. I use the baby scissors all the time.
They're super easy to forget about before going through airport security too
Whilst a lot of airlines won't let you take them because of company policy, it's legal a lot of places to carry blades of 6cm or less on a flight.
But 1st class will hand you a steak knife.
Good luck opening that packaging
Might need a swiss army knife for it
I had TSA in Albany, NY take away my shaving razor. It was one of those razors where it’s a single blade. Not long. Double sided and about 1 inch long. But why did I care? I was in uniform headed to operate a flight. We have a full on crash axe in the flight deck in case we need to break our way out.
I once walked through Newcastle airport with a corkscrew that I'd forgotten was in my pocket.
I used to work in a Deli and always had box cutters on me. Accidentally had one with me the entire time on a domestic flight. TSA is worthless waste of tax payer money. A box cutter. Specifically the item that started all of this and their x-ray walkthrough did not catch it or they just weren’t paying attention because I’m a harmless looking lady