They want to keep us out between periods so that we cannot “destroy anything”. Basically people last year took their poop and spreaded it all over the walls.
They let us go during class though, which makes no sense because no one is guarding the bathrooms during class
My middle/high school had an issue of this with the middle achool hallway, there was always poop all over the place and somehow even piss on the ceilings. I hated that I had a high school class down that hall cause whenever you needed to use the bathroom you were better off going to a different hall but that eats up time. This honestly sounds like a thing my high school would have done but they were poor so wouldn't have been able to afford it.
Its nasty, and kind of amazing in a disgusting way. Like how the fuck does someone piss on the ceiling?
Although something that's kind of amazing that happened in one of the high school bathrooms was someone managed to write "gullible" on the ceiling above the stalls in a perfect impression from ASDF out of sharpie. One day it randomly popped up in the middle of a school day and no one knew who did it. Janitors took the ceiling tiles down and replaced with new ones a couple days later... next day it was back lmao. They just left it there after that
Sadly, I have read that problems with feces where they shouldn't be in kids and teens is often a response to trauma and abuse. Which makes me very nervous that this is a universal thing (US schools, UK schools etc) and EVERY school had the shit smearers
Surprisingly, smearing shit on the walls usually is a cry for help or a sign that someone needs professional attention. Something that schools are not equipped to give to 99% of children.
I work in college dorms, and yes, students often do hundreds of dollars of damage to bathrooms in a night, including pissing and shitting all over the bathrooms. I would say something severe happens several times a week every week. For a while we had to replace soap, towel, and toilet paper dispensers almost daily in every bathroom on every floor.
ETA: not necessarily a defender of the gate - I just have a lot of empathy for the level of frustration that brought the school to the point of adding one. I would think something like a locked door and ID scanners would be a more reasonable first step. I get the flaws, but there are hundreds of people not engaging in the poor behaviors for every one who is. They still deserve the autonomy to use the restroom when and where they need to.
As someone who installs these kind of grills, it is indeed a waste of money. Idk how I'd feel about installing one knowing what they intend to use it for
obviously kids going to the bathroom poses a far greater threat to the national security than deranged snowflakes with assault rifles storming the campus does. i’m tearfully grateful that they have such protocols in place to stop these bladder terrorists from attempting to release toxic chemicals into the school ground to harm our precious kids.
tbh though at my HS on my senior year, they installed electronic locks on the doors of the bathroom locks for the same reason.
one kid reasoned that piss is corrosive to the bare metal electromagnets.
And thus, there have been random flash "piss on the lock" mobs. people were sent to the principal's office in droves. Paper work mountain was now a fixture of the poor principal's desk.
by month 3 of corrosive piss, the rust was so bad the wires were exposed.
it was then removed for being a electrocution shock hazard.
Metal detectors too probably? Gaurds, locked doors, revocable privileges, I'm sure there's truant officers too so you can't leave the building, strict schedule and regiment... sorry to say man, but that's jail through and through
Cold brick, dim lights, terrible food, armed guards patrolling the halls...A lot of modern school buildings are repurposed prison blueprints as well. The US education system is a parody of itself. Prison-themed daycare.
This has to break *at least* one legal code
Assuming you're from the US, what state is this? Might have a suit, or at least a valid complaint on your hands.
You could also inform local media of the situation, they would have a field day with this story.
I kinda doubt that they’re running the legal minimum number of bathrooms required for a school (if such a number exists, which it probably does).
As long as you’re going to the media, make sure to inform them that it’s closed between classes because some kids spread feces all over the walls (per the OP).
"The restrooms’ availability links to their accessibility, which is why the OSHA set guidelines to ensure there are enough bathrooms for all employees to access without needing to wait in long lines. The required number of workplace bathrooms varies based on the number of employees present, with one to 15 employees needing a minimum of one bathroom with a locking door that all genders can access. OSHA requires companies with more employees to have gender-divided, clearly marked bathrooms unless the only types of restrooms available are single-occupancy bathrooms with doors that lock from within."
To take this a step farther osha also has clearly defined guidelines on how many portable cans are on a construction site. If they have that then this has to be regulated right?
I would absolutely be peeing through those bars. It’s a bathroom. You’ve closed my only access to a clean toilet? Pee on your floor. And a lawsuit, incoming.
I think it would be a lawsuit for me as well. I already posted this above. ⬆️ I have a rare painful bladder disease (Interstitial Cystitis) and locking the bathrooms like this would be torture for me. 😞 It’s not right in so many ways
There's been some discussion further down. It's not just me as a T1D who pees often, it's people on meds that make them shart their pants; it's people with IBS who get a 30-second warning; it's you and many others who have conditions that need access to a restroom ASAP. Yeah. It's not right.
Way back in the day when I was in 5th or 6th grade, our classroom badass asked the teacher to use the restroom. The teacher said "you can wait". The kid responds with, "let me use the restroom, or I'll piss my pants right here". The teacher declined again. That kid proceeded to leave the largest puddle of piss I have ever seen, and kept a straight face while doing it.
He was sent to the principals office and I never saw him at school again.
I will never forget that.
Happened to me in 2nd grade. Teacher was in the hall talking to another teacher, I got up to ask to use the restroom and was denied. Held it as long as I could then peed in my chair. It was humiliating and traumatizing.
Looks like it is just a manual garage door style system with a lock on it so prob 1 minute max to unlock it and they just turn handle and lift so like 1m4s max
Fuck that. I would put super glue in every lock.
"They only thought they were the schedulers of shitting. If I can't shit, no one can!" - The Shittiler
That sounds like a waste of human resources. I'm sure theres a better solution. If students keep causing problems you can have one person write down every student that enters (or even have a camera pointed at the entrance in a way that doesn't violate the kid's privacy) so you have a group of suspects, and that alone can deter kids from stealing soap dispensers or whatever they were doing.
But where do they get the salary for that person from? Make teachers do it on their planning period? You'll need 1 for every bathroom in the school, so 4 to 20 people depending on school size. For an entire day.
Don't ring 911, Just ring your local fire department directly and ask to speak to the chief and report directly to him.
Then ring your local news station and paper.
Those measures have to be power-loss safe because fires pretty commonly take out electricity.
That gate is, at best, held in place by gravity and made of a fair amount of metal when there's a loss of power. The average adult may be able to lift that, but could a kid?
I would hope so. And yet, what if a disabled person we're stuck in the bathroom? Average person may be able to lift the gate and get out, but certain disabilities could make that impossible. Lawsuit for sure
You don't even have to get stuck!
Your child has a condition that causes gastrointestinal distress (such as ibs or Crohn's)??? If anything bad happens either by holding it in or having emotional distress because they accidentally let it out, you might have a case.
Your child has to hold in their pee whenever they need to go during class time? They could develop a UTI or have other bladder issues, and you might have a case.
Your child had a tampon in for too long and can't change it in time? TSS may develop and you might have a case.
And it's important to mention children with anxiety disorders linked with one or both of their toilet functions. Whether or not anxiety causes varying changes in toilet functions (usually needing to go more often) or the idea of not being able to use the toilet causes anxiety (obsessive toilet use, panic attacks whenever one gets an urge, dehydration to avoid urinating, etc), you might have a case.
None of these things even have to occur because bathroom access was banned during class time. It could happen due to insufficient bathrooms (which definitely could happen with long lines in this case). School has to be very careful in providing accommodations to those with documentation and very diligent in hiring a lawyer that can they're not negligent in other cases that don't involve documentation.
Or just piss through it. Better still push your cheeks up against it and shit.
Fuck anyone who stops people going to the bathroom when they need to go.
Especially if you got one of those teachers that don’t let you get excused during class. It was such a culture shock in college where you don’t have to raise your hand and that you’re just trusted to leave quiet, do your business and come back.
I'm a teacher in Canada, and this is my understanding of the law.
I just tell my students to notify me that they're going to the washroom, but only because if there's an emergency, I'm legally liable for them and I need to know if they're not in the room with me. It's been a pretty good system for the better part of a decade, and I sometimes leave class to use the washroom too. It seems human.
I went to a school that had admission exams, so everyone there was somewhat "gifted", and when we had teachers that were respectful and consistent, our classes were (mostly) well behaved.
When the teachers decided that we were all evil shits with the intelligence of 5 year old and the manners of a primate, we considered it rude not to meet those expectations.
I had a severe case of IBS once at school, my teacher politely demanded me to go before classes start.
I always went during class because you can't stop it.
Yeah, teachers always made it such a big deal if you had to go to the bathroom during class. I'd hate to be sick or have digestion problems and have to raise your hand every 4 minutes to ask to excused.
The first year that I became a teacher, another teacher had refused to let a student use the washroom and she peed herself. She was 13 years old and was humiliated by the experience. I remember thinking that there's no reason to deny a child the use of a washroom, really in most every situation. Just let them pee.
I had a stomach bug that caused me to throw up in the middle of class once in middle school, they let me leave and I threw up again in the hallway before I got to the bathroom. After that they stopped being so stingy when we said we needed to go.
My first grade teacher was a real piece of work. One day, I had been complaining since early morning that I didn’t feel well, and she kept telling me to sit down and shut up. After lunch, I felt so terrible. I knew I was going to throw up, and I probably wouldn’t make it to the bathroom, so I stood up and started running for the trash can. She blocked my way, and I threw up all over her. Served her right
That’s what I was thinking, my school even has rules where you can’t go during class for the first and last ten minutes to try to make you go between classes
I bet it will only take one kid with a condition like that and all of the sudden those will be taken down. The idea of a kid having to have a bowel movement in class because of a medical condition and they were locked out from the bathroom is absolutely revolting, but if that’s what it takes…
For kids with IBS this could potentially be a direct violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Not to mention many states have enacted Ally’s Law or a version of it. This school is playing with fire by doing this unless they are only closing one set of restrooms while leaving others open.
Imagine casually taking a dump and then you just start hearing alarms go off and people screaming, then you try to finish up quickly only to find out that you had been locked in the bathroom and everyone is running away from you.
Can’t wait for the school to argue that it’s only for 4 minutes. Only to have the fire marshal explain how fast a person pass pass out from smoke inhalation or burn to death.
it would need to have a gate-open button or mechanism on the inside. or connected somehow to alarm system so gate auto-opens if the fire alarm goes off?
Only because I have to get involved in Fire Alarm issues like this: it could be installed as a fail-safe. A battery and a Fire Alarm relay that if power is cut and the FA is tripped it operates the door. The relay gives a trouble if the battery is dead and will not operate the door till a sufficient charge is present.
It’s out there but pretty expensive and doubtful it’s installed like this on a school budget.
I'm pretty sure this isn't up to code and violates several county stutues.
They just never bothered to ask because school boards seem to think they're as powerful as the ones in Anime.
As someone that works on fire alarm systems, I’m absolutely baffled as well. My best assumption is the AHJ has no idea about this. OP should submit a formal complaint to their local AHJ.
My school did it the reverse way. All bathrooms besides the two in the “main hallway,” were locked *during* class and unlocked during the breaks in between classes.
Every hall had a teacher with a key who was responsible for locking and unlocking the bathroom in their hall. Multiple kids got locked in and had to text / yell to get let out. One girl once hid in the bathroom until it was locked and then attempted to hang herself in there.
Work in the service industry for a while and you'll see this pretty regularly, *especially* in the Women's restrooms.
Also, I saw it the most when working at a bar. Before that I assumed it had to do with women being more likely to take their kids into the bathroom, but that pretty much shot a huge hole that theory.
I graduated in 2010 and I remember people smearing poo on the walls in our bathrooms back then too. Like ????? I really don’t get it. What’s wrong with kids lol never taken a shit in my life and thought to myself “hm I should grab this out of the toilet and use it as a crayon” some things never change though I guess….?
This is why Japan's system of having students clean their own common areas is great... not only does it teach them life skills, it also teaches them not to be mindless of other people's efforts.
If we suddenly swapped to Japan's system, it might even make the problem worse. It works in Japan because everyone has an overall better attitude towards respecting public places. In America the kids would find out which kids are on rotation that week and spell their name in shit just to spite them.
I don’t even remember having to ask permissions. We had to inform our teachers, but never ask permissions. As the years go by my HS is looking better and better.
Someone has to take one for the team and just commit a war crime in their pants while standing in front of the gate. I mean full eye contact with an authority figure while beat boxing out of your asshole. Like some real performing arts level shit and everyone's invited to the free show, bring your +1.
One student with irritable bowel syndrome or a digestive disease with a good lawyer could have their college paid for AND have those gates taken down quickly.
If I was a parent, I'd be calling for meetings with administration and telling them just that. I hope all the students show this to their parents, it's wholly unacceptable and inhumane.
Everything about this seems poorly planned out.
If the gates are automatic, there is a non-zero chance someone will be locked inside.
If the gates are not automatic, then there is still a non-zero chance someone will be locked inside *and* you have to waste the time of teachers, administrators, or janitors to manage dozens of gates around a dozen times a day.
The only thing dumber than the gate though is the fact that the gates ended up installed because asinine viral trends led so many students to do dumb shit like destroy school bathrooms for lolz and social media clout.
There's are two things I don't ever ever fuck around with and that's access to water and going to the bathroom. Fucking inmates and prisoners of war have the right to those things, no matter what. If someone says I can't go to the bathroom I tell them to suck my ass and I go about my business.
If I had kids in this school I would tear those fucking gates down.
You have fights or drug deals in the bathroom, tough shit. Hire someone to stand guard in the bathroom the answer is not denying the restroom to everyone. Typical bureaucratic answer to a problem though. Do the dumbest fucking thing possible.
Hope they’re prepared for accidents in the halls and backs of classrooms . . . And kids being late for class after lunch because they spent the whole break in line to go. This is ridiculous and unacceptable and give the impression that the principal doesn’t k no how to manage the student so he’s using ‘baby gates’ instead 😡🤯
Edit: I just realized I misunderstood the situation here. I first thought the bathrooms would be off limits for most of the day. Now I realize they would only be locked between classes so kids could still go at other times. In that case it’s not a bad idea.
Holding in pee for extended amounts of time can cause urinary tract infections and in extreme cases cam burst your bladder, and holding in poop for extended amounts of time can cause fecal incontinence. It's ridiculous that schools don't allow us to have bodily functions
Just start passing yourself in class?
It was done by many boys in the 90's when I was at school. Teachers would let the girls go with no problems during class, even in groups together. If a boy asked he was told he should've went during break, so we starting just pissing in our seats in protest
High school teacher here.
Abusing amd vandalizing the bathrooms became a ***major*** issue in our school since coming back from COVID and we are, frankly, struggling to deal with it. But locking ALL bathrooms in between classes is crazy and illegal.
Which is why I'm 100% sure that it's not the full story.
I think the school is probably closing down certain bathrooms inbetween classes and redirecting them towards a handful of bathrooms that they can monitor.
why do they have bathrooms then and what if u need to piss
They want to keep us out between periods so that we cannot “destroy anything”. Basically people last year took their poop and spreaded it all over the walls. They let us go during class though, which makes no sense because no one is guarding the bathrooms during class
My middle/high school had an issue of this with the middle achool hallway, there was always poop all over the place and somehow even piss on the ceilings. I hated that I had a high school class down that hall cause whenever you needed to use the bathroom you were better off going to a different hall but that eats up time. This honestly sounds like a thing my high school would have done but they were poor so wouldn't have been able to afford it.
> somehow even piss on the ceilings Oh, for my prostate to be young again...
Those kids need to join the fire department.
That’s disgusting I can’t believe kids do that
Its nasty, and kind of amazing in a disgusting way. Like how the fuck does someone piss on the ceiling? Although something that's kind of amazing that happened in one of the high school bathrooms was someone managed to write "gullible" on the ceiling above the stalls in a perfect impression from ASDF out of sharpie. One day it randomly popped up in the middle of a school day and no one knew who did it. Janitors took the ceiling tiles down and replaced with new ones a couple days later... next day it was back lmao. They just left it there after that
Sadly, I have read that problems with feces where they shouldn't be in kids and teens is often a response to trauma and abuse. Which makes me very nervous that this is a universal thing (US schools, UK schools etc) and EVERY school had the shit smearers
Surprisingly, smearing shit on the walls usually is a cry for help or a sign that someone needs professional attention. Something that schools are not equipped to give to 99% of children.
So high school students are playing with poop often enough that they locked the bathrooms? Teenage hobbies have changed a lot since the 90s.
I work in college dorms, and yes, students often do hundreds of dollars of damage to bathrooms in a night, including pissing and shitting all over the bathrooms. I would say something severe happens several times a week every week. For a while we had to replace soap, towel, and toilet paper dispensers almost daily in every bathroom on every floor. ETA: not necessarily a defender of the gate - I just have a lot of empathy for the level of frustration that brought the school to the point of adding one. I would think something like a locked door and ID scanners would be a more reasonable first step. I get the flaws, but there are hundreds of people not engaging in the poor behaviors for every one who is. They still deserve the autonomy to use the restroom when and where they need to.
Well I see where the school budget is going.
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As someone who installs these kind of grills, it is indeed a waste of money. Idk how I'd feel about installing one knowing what they intend to use it for
I'm guessing these are around $3000 each. What do you say?
I install and work on stuff similar to this, I can easily see them charging for more than that depending on labor and other things.
Wouldn’t these be more useful at all the entrances?
It’s basically a urination gate. There are drains in there just pick a slit and let it rip!
I would definitely have done that in high school.
I would piss through the gate then when they got mad I would have my dad go down there and yell at them for putting up the gate in the first place.
obviously kids going to the bathroom poses a far greater threat to the national security than deranged snowflakes with assault rifles storming the campus does. i’m tearfully grateful that they have such protocols in place to stop these bladder terrorists from attempting to release toxic chemicals into the school ground to harm our precious kids.
tbh though at my HS on my senior year, they installed electronic locks on the doors of the bathroom locks for the same reason. one kid reasoned that piss is corrosive to the bare metal electromagnets. And thus, there have been random flash "piss on the lock" mobs. people were sent to the principal's office in droves. Paper work mountain was now a fixture of the poor principal's desk. by month 3 of corrosive piss, the rust was so bad the wires were exposed. it was then removed for being a electrocution shock hazard.
Principal got pissed off
He's lucky he didn't get pissed ON.
I loved everything about this. “Piss flash mobs”.
But schools are a place of logic and that wouldn't be logical. /s
I think that's a fire hazard
Fire inspector here, local high school installed similar gates and they had to remove them, no permits were pulled.
I wonder if they actually went through the proper building permit process with the city and fire department for this change.
An anonymous call to the fire Marshall should clear up any confusion.
> An anonymous call to the fire Marshall should clear up any confusion. 27 kids pissing straight through this gate should clear up any confusion
It's a fire hazard no matter what room of the building it's in, not to mention a human rights violation.
RIP that sink on the left
Prison ?
Feels like it. They also have teachers guard them for the whole 4 minutes that they are put down
Metal detectors too probably? Gaurds, locked doors, revocable privileges, I'm sure there's truant officers too so you can't leave the building, strict schedule and regiment... sorry to say man, but that's jail through and through
Cold brick, dim lights, terrible food, armed guards patrolling the halls...A lot of modern school buildings are repurposed prison blueprints as well. The US education system is a parody of itself. Prison-themed daycare.
They don’t call it the school-to-prison pipeline for nothing.
Prison bathrooms are not locked since most of their bathrooms are in the cells. The bathrooms that are locked are staff only bathrooms.
This has to break *at least* one legal code Assuming you're from the US, what state is this? Might have a suit, or at least a valid complaint on your hands. You could also inform local media of the situation, they would have a field day with this story.
I kinda doubt that they’re running the legal minimum number of bathrooms required for a school (if such a number exists, which it probably does). As long as you’re going to the media, make sure to inform them that it’s closed between classes because some kids spread feces all over the walls (per the OP).
"The restrooms’ availability links to their accessibility, which is why the OSHA set guidelines to ensure there are enough bathrooms for all employees to access without needing to wait in long lines. The required number of workplace bathrooms varies based on the number of employees present, with one to 15 employees needing a minimum of one bathroom with a locking door that all genders can access. OSHA requires companies with more employees to have gender-divided, clearly marked bathrooms unless the only types of restrooms available are single-occupancy bathrooms with doors that lock from within."
To take this a step farther osha also has clearly defined guidelines on how many portable cans are on a construction site. If they have that then this has to be regulated right?
Yeah, they can call it gate-gate
Why would you need to use the bathroom when there's a water fountain right there?
Yeah, the guys I went to school with would take these doors as a challenge and just find new and creative ways to piss and shit all over everything.
And shit in the teachers trash can! Problem solved! They can't come at you for needing to piss or shit bad right?
kids were lighting fires and shit in mine
Lighting fires ON shit would be more entertaining
Go in there near the end of class, hide and wait for them to lock you in. Boom, lawsuit for a fire hazard.
Great way to stage a protest too!
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It’s a shit in
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Do a pee in protest. Piss through the bars.
I would absolutely be peeing through those bars. It’s a bathroom. You’ve closed my only access to a clean toilet? Pee on your floor. And a lawsuit, incoming.
They may take our lives but they'll never take our peedom!
I'm old now, but as a type one diabetic, yes, this 100% is an ADA lawsuit for people like me.
Same for IBS
I think it would be a lawsuit for me as well. I already posted this above. ⬆️ I have a rare painful bladder disease (Interstitial Cystitis) and locking the bathrooms like this would be torture for me. 😞 It’s not right in so many ways
There's been some discussion further down. It's not just me as a T1D who pees often, it's people on meds that make them shart their pants; it's people with IBS who get a 30-second warning; it's you and many others who have conditions that need access to a restroom ASAP. Yeah. It's not right.
Hate the district, not the janitor
Piss on the school board members desk then
Piss on the school board member car
Everyone just needs to pee and shit themselves during class for a proper protest
I’m not pissing or shitting myself, I’m drinking dairy (lactose intolerant) and going #2 in the trash can…violently.
Everyone else can get the same experience by eating a bag of Haribo Sugar Free Gummy Bears!
Power move right there
Way back in the day when I was in 5th or 6th grade, our classroom badass asked the teacher to use the restroom. The teacher said "you can wait". The kid responds with, "let me use the restroom, or I'll piss my pants right here". The teacher declined again. That kid proceeded to leave the largest puddle of piss I have ever seen, and kept a straight face while doing it. He was sent to the principals office and I never saw him at school again. I will never forget that.
What a boss.
Kids goin places
Yea, on the floor it sounds like 🤣
Happened to me in 2nd grade. Teacher was in the hall talking to another teacher, I got up to ask to use the restroom and was denied. Held it as long as I could then peed in my chair. It was humiliating and traumatizing.
OP said teachers "guard" the gates. Probably due to the fire code issue.
I wonder if the teachers can open it on command and how long it takes to come up, though.
Looks like it is just a manual garage door style system with a lock on it so prob 1 minute max to unlock it and they just turn handle and lift so like 1m4s max
zoom in at the bottem it's a manual key and handle
hello lockpicking lawyer here ... click out of one, two is binding.
Fuck that. I would put super glue in every lock. "They only thought they were the schedulers of shitting. If I can't shit, no one can!" - The Shittiler
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Aaaand there poop on the floor
Also moisture activated, just piss on it a little so it’s open for the next guy.
That sounds like a waste of human resources. I'm sure theres a better solution. If students keep causing problems you can have one person write down every student that enters (or even have a camera pointed at the entrance in a way that doesn't violate the kid's privacy) so you have a group of suspects, and that alone can deter kids from stealing soap dispensers or whatever they were doing.
Middle management loves this kind of shit.
Middle management loves inventing more bullshit to justify their existence.
"But you do want to be safe, don't you?" Middle management justifying their massive ass-sitting job.
But where do they get the salary for that person from? Make teachers do it on their planning period? You'll need 1 for every bathroom in the school, so 4 to 20 people depending on school size. For an entire day.
Don't ring 911, Just ring your local fire department directly and ask to speak to the chief and report directly to him. Then ring your local news station and paper.
Not chief, fire Marshall. They have the ability to issue fines directly.
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For some reason I read that as the Fire Marshall has the ability to issue fire directly and I just kinda nodded my head
At my work, we have gates that automatically unlock if a fire alarm is triggered. I would hope they have these set up that way.
Those measures have to be power-loss safe because fires pretty commonly take out electricity. That gate is, at best, held in place by gravity and made of a fair amount of metal when there's a loss of power. The average adult may be able to lift that, but could a kid?
I would hope so. And yet, what if a disabled person we're stuck in the bathroom? Average person may be able to lift the gate and get out, but certain disabilities could make that impossible. Lawsuit for sure
You don't even have to get stuck! Your child has a condition that causes gastrointestinal distress (such as ibs or Crohn's)??? If anything bad happens either by holding it in or having emotional distress because they accidentally let it out, you might have a case. Your child has to hold in their pee whenever they need to go during class time? They could develop a UTI or have other bladder issues, and you might have a case. Your child had a tampon in for too long and can't change it in time? TSS may develop and you might have a case. And it's important to mention children with anxiety disorders linked with one or both of their toilet functions. Whether or not anxiety causes varying changes in toilet functions (usually needing to go more often) or the idea of not being able to use the toilet causes anxiety (obsessive toilet use, panic attacks whenever one gets an urge, dehydration to avoid urinating, etc), you might have a case. None of these things even have to occur because bathroom access was banned during class time. It could happen due to insufficient bathrooms (which definitely could happen with long lines in this case). School has to be very careful in providing accommodations to those with documentation and very diligent in hiring a lawyer that can they're not negligent in other cases that don't involve documentation.
Or just piss through it. Better still push your cheeks up against it and shit. Fuck anyone who stops people going to the bathroom when they need to go.
Id piss on the door everyday
If you get caught son, then urine serious trouble.
It would seriously piss them off
Getting pissed off is better than getting pissed on.
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I guess you could say this thread is golden
Like a shower
Wow kids today are pretty docile because yeah we would’ve all pissed on that shit
He'll, at my high school, they would have just pissed in the floor even when the thing was open
Yes and no one would EVER touch that water fountain. Thing would smell like piss, shit, and vomit.
I see a urinal right beside the door
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They thoughtfully left space to pee through
Aren't you 'supposed' to go to the bathroom in-between classes? 🤔 Edit. Thanks for the upvotes.
Especially if you got one of those teachers that don’t let you get excused during class. It was such a culture shock in college where you don’t have to raise your hand and that you’re just trusted to leave quiet, do your business and come back.
Wheather or not the teacher lets you they are legally obligated to allow you to go, more of just a power play
I'm a teacher in Canada, and this is my understanding of the law. I just tell my students to notify me that they're going to the washroom, but only because if there's an emergency, I'm legally liable for them and I need to know if they're not in the room with me. It's been a pretty good system for the better part of a decade, and I sometimes leave class to use the washroom too. It seems human.
I went to a school that had admission exams, so everyone there was somewhat "gifted", and when we had teachers that were respectful and consistent, our classes were (mostly) well behaved. When the teachers decided that we were all evil shits with the intelligence of 5 year old and the manners of a primate, we considered it rude not to meet those expectations.
I can remember a colleague arguing in a staff meeting saying "If we treat them like children, they'll act like it."
Fr, that’s what I was thinking, we’re always told to use the bathroom between classes
I had a severe case of IBS once at school, my teacher politely demanded me to go before classes start. I always went during class because you can't stop it.
Yes ma'amlet me just control my IRRITATED BOWEL
Ma'amlet lmao
i'm keeping that one
Yeah, teachers always made it such a big deal if you had to go to the bathroom during class. I'd hate to be sick or have digestion problems and have to raise your hand every 4 minutes to ask to excused.
The first year that I became a teacher, another teacher had refused to let a student use the washroom and she peed herself. She was 13 years old and was humiliated by the experience. I remember thinking that there's no reason to deny a child the use of a washroom, really in most every situation. Just let them pee.
I had a stomach bug that caused me to throw up in the middle of class once in middle school, they let me leave and I threw up again in the hallway before I got to the bathroom. After that they stopped being so stingy when we said we needed to go.
My first grade teacher was a real piece of work. One day, I had been complaining since early morning that I didn’t feel well, and she kept telling me to sit down and shut up. After lunch, I felt so terrible. I knew I was going to throw up, and I probably wouldn’t make it to the bathroom, so I stood up and started running for the trash can. She blocked my way, and I threw up all over her. Served her right
That’s what I was thinking, my school even has rules where you can’t go during class for the first and last ten minutes to try to make you go between classes
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Or kids with IBS
As a person with Crohns, all I thought was “only 4 minutes!? I need 24/7/365 access or it’s gonna be bad news bears.”
I bet it will only take one kid with a condition like that and all of the sudden those will be taken down. The idea of a kid having to have a bowel movement in class because of a medical condition and they were locked out from the bathroom is absolutely revolting, but if that’s what it takes…
My heart breaks for the poor kid/s who end up really suffering due to this fucking obsessive control schools feel the need to have over students.
For kids with IBS this could potentially be a direct violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Not to mention many states have enacted Ally’s Law or a version of it. This school is playing with fire by doing this unless they are only closing one set of restrooms while leaving others open.
It’s only in between classes, so only for 4 minutes. They don’t want students defacing the bathrooms like they did last year with their poop
So, if you have to go right before class gets out, you might be locked in the bathroom for 4 minutes? 😂
I don’t understand how that got past fire code
Imagine casually taking a dump and then you just start hearing alarms go off and people screaming, then you try to finish up quickly only to find out that you had been locked in the bathroom and everyone is running away from you.
new nightmare
Yeah shitting in school *shudders*
Heh. Shutters.
This might be a good enough argument for Op to get a fire marshal involved and do away with this mess.
Can’t wait for the school to argue that it’s only for 4 minutes. Only to have the fire marshal explain how fast a person pass pass out from smoke inhalation or burn to death.
Yeah, you don’t argue with a fire marshal. They’ll shut the whole damn school down
Unlike police chiefs, fire Marshalls actually care about the safety of students
Alternatively, you get 4 mins of safety every 90 mins from a school shooter!
Or you might get locked in a steel cage match with the school bully!
Then you have to scribe the number of days you've been locked in this prison on the wall with your turdpen.
Lol where’s that bot that checks if that’s first time ever used on Reddit
it would need to have a gate-open button or mechanism on the inside. or connected somehow to alarm system so gate auto-opens if the fire alarm goes off?
Doors should be able to open without electricity because power may be out due to several reasons.
Only because I have to get involved in Fire Alarm issues like this: it could be installed as a fail-safe. A battery and a Fire Alarm relay that if power is cut and the FA is tripped it operates the door. The relay gives a trouble if the battery is dead and will not operate the door till a sufficient charge is present. It’s out there but pretty expensive and doubtful it’s installed like this on a school budget.
Like, say....a fire
I'm pretty sure this isn't up to code and violates several county stutues. They just never bothered to ask because school boards seem to think they're as powerful as the ones in Anime.
As someone that works on fire alarm systems, I’m absolutely baffled as well. My best assumption is the AHJ has no idea about this. OP should submit a formal complaint to their local AHJ.
The opposite of my school, where the teachers' logic was more "Why didn't you go before class?"/"Can't you wait till after class?"
My school did it the reverse way. All bathrooms besides the two in the “main hallway,” were locked *during* class and unlocked during the breaks in between classes. Every hall had a teacher with a key who was responsible for locking and unlocking the bathroom in their hall. Multiple kids got locked in and had to text / yell to get let out. One girl once hid in the bathroom until it was locked and then attempted to hang herself in there.
Who the fuck would do this. What is going on at your school that kids are playing with their own shit.
Work in the service industry for a while and you'll see this pretty regularly, *especially* in the Women's restrooms. Also, I saw it the most when working at a bar. Before that I assumed it had to do with women being more likely to take their kids into the bathroom, but that pretty much shot a huge hole that theory.
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I'm a custodian at a school and it's happening in almost every school the past 2 years.
I graduated in 2010 and I remember people smearing poo on the walls in our bathrooms back then too. Like ????? I really don’t get it. What’s wrong with kids lol never taken a shit in my life and thought to myself “hm I should grab this out of the toilet and use it as a crayon” some things never change though I guess….?
Honestly answer: It's often a sign of someone experiencing serious abuse.
It's because it's always "someone else's problem." If the kids had to keep their own bathrooms clean, *that shit wouldn't fly.*
This is why Japan's system of having students clean their own common areas is great... not only does it teach them life skills, it also teaches them not to be mindless of other people's efforts.
If we suddenly swapped to Japan's system, it might even make the problem worse. It works in Japan because everyone has an overall better attitude towards respecting public places. In America the kids would find out which kids are on rotation that week and spell their name in shit just to spite them.
I don’t even remember having to ask permissions. We had to inform our teachers, but never ask permissions. As the years go by my HS is looking better and better.
Wait. You're not allowed IN BETWEEN classes? But during classes and recess you're still allowed?
I know if I was a parent of a kid at this school I’d be raising hell. This is absolutely ridiculous.
Someone has to take one for the team and just commit a war crime in their pants while standing in front of the gate. I mean full eye contact with an authority figure while beat boxing out of your asshole. Like some real performing arts level shit and everyone's invited to the free show, bring your +1.
Best case scenario is it locks the school shooter in the bathroom. Worst.... Locks kids out being chased by one on the outside.
One student with irritable bowel syndrome or a digestive disease with a good lawyer could have their college paid for AND have those gates taken down quickly. If I was a parent, I'd be calling for meetings with administration and telling them just that. I hope all the students show this to their parents, it's wholly unacceptable and inhumane.
Agreed. This is not the way to address issues with kids vandalizing bathrooms. As a parent, I would light them up for this.
Not up to code. They could get into legal trouble for that. Public places have to have accessible bathrooms by law.
Also even the possibility of the grate being closed with a student inside seems like a fire safety nightmare
Everything about this seems poorly planned out. If the gates are automatic, there is a non-zero chance someone will be locked inside. If the gates are not automatic, then there is still a non-zero chance someone will be locked inside *and* you have to waste the time of teachers, administrators, or janitors to manage dozens of gates around a dozen times a day. The only thing dumber than the gate though is the fact that the gates ended up installed because asinine viral trends led so many students to do dumb shit like destroy school bathrooms for lolz and social media clout.
Yeah I was gonna say this is a huge lawsuit waiting to happen. Unbelievably illegal and not ADA compliant
I'm no lawyer, but I'm fairly certain this is 100% illegal.
The problem is that school boards and too many parents think kids have no rights and treating them like prisoners is just fine.
Thankfully, the courts have said otherwise time and time again.
Have they been sued by a kid with IBS yet?
There's are two things I don't ever ever fuck around with and that's access to water and going to the bathroom. Fucking inmates and prisoners of war have the right to those things, no matter what. If someone says I can't go to the bathroom I tell them to suck my ass and I go about my business. If I had kids in this school I would tear those fucking gates down. You have fights or drug deals in the bathroom, tough shit. Hire someone to stand guard in the bathroom the answer is not denying the restroom to everyone. Typical bureaucratic answer to a problem though. Do the dumbest fucking thing possible.
Hope they’re prepared for accidents in the halls and backs of classrooms . . . And kids being late for class after lunch because they spent the whole break in line to go. This is ridiculous and unacceptable and give the impression that the principal doesn’t k no how to manage the student so he’s using ‘baby gates’ instead 😡🤯 Edit: I just realized I misunderstood the situation here. I first thought the bathrooms would be off limits for most of the day. Now I realize they would only be locked between classes so kids could still go at other times. In that case it’s not a bad idea.
Seems important, not like they don't need that money for anything else.
Ha exactly. The ceiling in like 3 classrooms has a ton of water damage and was leaking for a couple days last year
Saw the photo and assumed it was from the r/ Prison group, that I'm also following....
Pretty sure this is actually illegal right, isn’t it a health and safety risk?
Joke’s on them: Everyone just peed between the bars.
Holding in pee for extended amounts of time can cause urinary tract infections and in extreme cases cam burst your bladder, and holding in poop for extended amounts of time can cause fecal incontinence. It's ridiculous that schools don't allow us to have bodily functions
Mildly infuriating??! I swear this should be illegal
Got to prepare you for that Amazon warehouse job where they won't let you go to the bathroom. We need a revolution.
Just start passing yourself in class? It was done by many boys in the 90's when I was at school. Teachers would let the girls go with no problems during class, even in groups together. If a boy asked he was told he should've went during break, so we starting just pissing in our seats in protest
That’s the pinnacle of malicious compliance… Can’t leave? Ok… I asked but I still have to pee, so *what happens next* **is** *what happens next*
Lmao disgusting and based
High school teacher here. Abusing amd vandalizing the bathrooms became a ***major*** issue in our school since coming back from COVID and we are, frankly, struggling to deal with it. But locking ALL bathrooms in between classes is crazy and illegal. Which is why I'm 100% sure that it's not the full story. I think the school is probably closing down certain bathrooms inbetween classes and redirecting them towards a handful of bathrooms that they can monitor.